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Some Pictures Of Wounded After Oakland Police Opened Fire On Crowd Of Peaceful Dissidents
These are just three of the wounded. The AP and Reuters have pictures of a young woman who was shot in the face and several others with even more serious wounds. When I arrived ambulances had already taken away several people.
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Those protesters (demonstrators) must have been pretty bad for the cops to shoot at them.
Seems kinda strange that most of the people have been shot in the back.
Aint that just like the police though, claim violence, then shoot 'em in the back.
Its obvious that the people were running away.
I guess the First Amendment only applies to cops and other quazi leaders
No more freedom of speech...No more freedom of assembly
Seems kinda strange that most of the people have been shot in the back.
Aint that just like the police though, claim violence, then shoot 'em in the back.
Its obvious that the people were running away.
I guess the First Amendment only applies to cops and other quazi leaders
No more freedom of speech...No more freedom of assembly
With all the money going through the Port that the Police were there to protect, don't you think the Police could have at least found a little bit more time and money to clear the protestors away in a peaceful fashion? I mean, come on, how much would that have cost, compared the the tax revenue that comes in through the Port? Even if you believe that those who bring in the most money to the City should get the most money spent on police services protecting their property, this goes beyond even that.... Not only do those with the money get the most police services, but it seems, they're the only ones accorded basic rights like the freedom from excessive force. This is painfully clear in a city where in the poorest neighborhoods, East and West Oakland, residents have to worry about becoming a target themselves if they have a problem and call the police.
The protestors were lucky to only be shot in the back only because they live in a corrupt system, that has shown again and again that it will never uphold justice. The reason they don't go over and fight in Iraq is that there are still greater sources of injustice, greater threats to freedom, to be fought right here.
Why stick yourself in front of the guns when you can attack the centers of power themselves? The United States military certainly didn't line up right in front of the Iraqi defences. It tried to kill Saddam Hussein first, and when it couldn't do that, it used laser-guided bombs and long-range artillery against the enemy before even moving in. That's not brave -- it's cowardly, but it's smart. Why should the anti-war movement be any less smart about their tactics? The day George W. Bush joins Saddam Hussein in an armed duel, I'll join Saddam's Fedayeen -- that is when Hell freezes over, because you're not going to see our beloved leader showing any personal bravery.
George Bush I understand though.... Jerry Brown and his cronies, I can't understand letting this go on. I guess as they say, power corrupts.
The protestors were lucky to only be shot in the back only because they live in a corrupt system, that has shown again and again that it will never uphold justice. The reason they don't go over and fight in Iraq is that there are still greater sources of injustice, greater threats to freedom, to be fought right here.
Why stick yourself in front of the guns when you can attack the centers of power themselves? The United States military certainly didn't line up right in front of the Iraqi defences. It tried to kill Saddam Hussein first, and when it couldn't do that, it used laser-guided bombs and long-range artillery against the enemy before even moving in. That's not brave -- it's cowardly, but it's smart. Why should the anti-war movement be any less smart about their tactics? The day George W. Bush joins Saddam Hussein in an armed duel, I'll join Saddam's Fedayeen -- that is when Hell freezes over, because you're not going to see our beloved leader showing any personal bravery.
George Bush I understand though.... Jerry Brown and his cronies, I can't understand letting this go on. I guess as they say, power corrupts.
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Kudos to everyone that took a hit- and everyone who risked same. Footrubs for you.
From one Anti War activist in Ireland I say you are heroes all, and don't worry we gave Junior a good welcome to Ireland he will know he is not welcome here
URGENT; You must read Bush's Patriot Act; which grants a new assault on our civil liberties.
While our soldiers are over in Iraq "liberating" the Iraqi people, I wonder what the governments excuse for shooting up a bunch of hippies is. Did they have Weapons of Mass Destruction? Were they torturing defenseless people? Or were the protesters just trying to stop buisness as usual. I, for one, am interested in what the cops have to say about using these potentially lethal means.
If you think that "popular" opinion as framed by ABC reflex real world-wide opinion about the war, then maybe you should get out more. Why do Americans from the US rely on statistics and polls so much? 4 out of 5 people want to know.
No War but Class War
No War but Class War
During the American Revolution, about 1/3 of Americans were for the revolution, about 1/3 were opposed to the revolution, and about 1/3 didn't give a shit.
I read that to mean that about 1/3 is all we need and since less than 5% comprise the American ruling class, it's just a matter of time.
Peace.
I read that to mean that about 1/3 is all we need and since less than 5% comprise the American ruling class, it's just a matter of time.
Peace.
>All War, All the Time
>by Sailorliam1 [at] earthlink.net Tuesday April 08, 2003 at 10:16 AM
>Why do Americans from the US rely on statistics and polls so much? 4 out of 5 people want to know.
Because it's the most accurate measure of what people think. Are you against it because you don't like that fact?
You ought to get out into the real world.
>No War but Class War
That's pure nonsense.
>by Sailorliam1 [at] earthlink.net Tuesday April 08, 2003 at 10:16 AM
>Why do Americans from the US rely on statistics and polls so much? 4 out of 5 people want to know.
Because it's the most accurate measure of what people think. Are you against it because you don't like that fact?
You ought to get out into the real world.
>No War but Class War
That's pure nonsense.
"While our soldiers are over in Iraq "liberating" the Iraqi people, I wonder what the governments excuse for shooting up a bunch of hippies is. Did they have Weapons of Mass Destruction? Were they torturing defenseless people? Or were the protesters just trying to stop buisness as usual. I, for one, am interested in what the cops have to say about using these potentially lethal means."
You want to know? Here's your answer.
BTW...the protesters were given many chances to leave before being fired on...BUT SOME KEPT ON PROTESTING AFTER THE COPS STOPPED. Well, what happened next? the cops fire some more. As for their justification, here ya go:
The protesters were trying to STOP SUPPLIES FROM REACHING TROOPS. THAT EQUALS SABOTAGE.
SABOTAGE
U.S. CODE AS OF 1/02/01
TITLE 18 CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I, CHAPTER 105 - SABOTAGE
Section 2153
(a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, or in times of national emergency as declared by the President or by the Congress, with intent to injure, interfere with, or obstruct the United States or any associate nation in preparing for or carrying on the
war or defense activities, or, with reason to believe that his act may injure, interfere with, or obstruct the United States or any associate nation in preparing for or carrying on the war or defense activities, willfully injures, destroys, contaminates or infects,
or attempts to so injure, destroy, contaminate or infect any war material, war premises, or war utilities, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than thirty years, or both.
(b) If two or more persons conspire to violate this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be punished as provided in subsection (a) of this section.
Section 2154. Production of defective war material, war premises, or war utilities
(a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, or in times of national emergency as declared by the President or by the Congress, with intent to injure, interfere with, or obstruct the United States or any associate nation in preparing for or carrying on the
war or defense activities, or, with reason to believe that his act may injure, interfere with, or obstruct the United States or any associate nation in preparing for or carrying on the war or defense activities, willfully makes, constructs, or causes to be made or
constructed in a defective manner, or attempts to make, construct, or cause to be made or constructed in a defective manner any war material, war premises or war utilities, or any tool, implement, machine, utensil, or receptacle used or employed in making, producing, manufacturing, or repairing any such war material, war premises or war utilities, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than thirty years, or both.
(b) If two or more persons conspire to violate this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be punished as provided in subsection (a) of this section.
Section 2155. Destruction of national-defense materials, national-defense premises, or national-defense utilities
(a) Whoever, with intent to injure, interfere with, or obstruct the national defense of the United States, willfully injures, destroys, contaminates or infects, or attempts to so injure, destroy, contaminate or infect any national-defense material, national-defense premises, or national-defense utilities, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(b) If two or more persons conspire to violate this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be punished as provided in subsection (a) of this section.
U.S. Code, Title 18, Chapter 12, Section 231
Section 231. Civil disorders
(a)(1) Whoever teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm or explosive or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that the same will be unlawfully employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder which may in any way or degree obstruct, delay, or adversely affect commerce or the movement of any article or commodity in commerce or the conduct or performance of any federally protected function; or
(2) Whoever transports or manufactures for transportation in commerce any firearm, or explosive or incendiary device, knowing or having reason to know or intending that the same will be used unlawfully in furtherance of a civil disorder; or
(3) Whoever commits or attempts to commit any act to obstruct, impede, or interfere with any fireman or law enforcement officer lawfully engaged in the lawful performance of his official duties incident to and during the commission of a civil disorder which in any way or degree obstructs, delays, or adversely affects commerce
or the movement of any article or commodity in commerce or the conduct or performance of any federally protected function - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(b) Nothing contained in this section shall make unlawful any act of any law enforcement officer which is performed in the lawful performance of his official duties.
You want to know? Here's your answer.
BTW...the protesters were given many chances to leave before being fired on...BUT SOME KEPT ON PROTESTING AFTER THE COPS STOPPED. Well, what happened next? the cops fire some more. As for their justification, here ya go:
The protesters were trying to STOP SUPPLIES FROM REACHING TROOPS. THAT EQUALS SABOTAGE.
SABOTAGE
U.S. CODE AS OF 1/02/01
TITLE 18 CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I, CHAPTER 105 - SABOTAGE
Section 2153
(a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, or in times of national emergency as declared by the President or by the Congress, with intent to injure, interfere with, or obstruct the United States or any associate nation in preparing for or carrying on the
war or defense activities, or, with reason to believe that his act may injure, interfere with, or obstruct the United States or any associate nation in preparing for or carrying on the war or defense activities, willfully injures, destroys, contaminates or infects,
or attempts to so injure, destroy, contaminate or infect any war material, war premises, or war utilities, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than thirty years, or both.
(b) If two or more persons conspire to violate this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be punished as provided in subsection (a) of this section.
Section 2154. Production of defective war material, war premises, or war utilities
(a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, or in times of national emergency as declared by the President or by the Congress, with intent to injure, interfere with, or obstruct the United States or any associate nation in preparing for or carrying on the
war or defense activities, or, with reason to believe that his act may injure, interfere with, or obstruct the United States or any associate nation in preparing for or carrying on the war or defense activities, willfully makes, constructs, or causes to be made or
constructed in a defective manner, or attempts to make, construct, or cause to be made or constructed in a defective manner any war material, war premises or war utilities, or any tool, implement, machine, utensil, or receptacle used or employed in making, producing, manufacturing, or repairing any such war material, war premises or war utilities, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than thirty years, or both.
(b) If two or more persons conspire to violate this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be punished as provided in subsection (a) of this section.
Section 2155. Destruction of national-defense materials, national-defense premises, or national-defense utilities
(a) Whoever, with intent to injure, interfere with, or obstruct the national defense of the United States, willfully injures, destroys, contaminates or infects, or attempts to so injure, destroy, contaminate or infect any national-defense material, national-defense premises, or national-defense utilities, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(b) If two or more persons conspire to violate this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be punished as provided in subsection (a) of this section.
U.S. Code, Title 18, Chapter 12, Section 231
Section 231. Civil disorders
(a)(1) Whoever teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm or explosive or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that the same will be unlawfully employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder which may in any way or degree obstruct, delay, or adversely affect commerce or the movement of any article or commodity in commerce or the conduct or performance of any federally protected function; or
(2) Whoever transports or manufactures for transportation in commerce any firearm, or explosive or incendiary device, knowing or having reason to know or intending that the same will be used unlawfully in furtherance of a civil disorder; or
(3) Whoever commits or attempts to commit any act to obstruct, impede, or interfere with any fireman or law enforcement officer lawfully engaged in the lawful performance of his official duties incident to and during the commission of a civil disorder which in any way or degree obstructs, delays, or adversely affects commerce
or the movement of any article or commodity in commerce or the conduct or performance of any federally protected function - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(b) Nothing contained in this section shall make unlawful any act of any law enforcement officer which is performed in the lawful performance of his official duties.
I would put all the crimes our so called government is guilty of, but there is not enough space here, and no one could spend so much time to read it!
The "crimes" of these people were that they were against inhumane mass murders of innocent people over the world, and illegal invasions of other countries.
Our ruling class is guilty of every war crime, they are simply war criminals, and that's why they were asking for the exclusion from the war crimes law!
They are asking to be excluded from any responsibilities for anything they do, while they want to hold everyone else accountable for anything done!
And you still believe that you live in democracy? YOU should learn some basics before you start spilling your stupidity here! If a ruling class can do whatever it wants, without any responsibility for its actions, while asking for others to be held responsible and punished for even the smallest things, what else would that be but a dictatorship and tyranny?
Ignorance MAY be “bliss”, but remember this: what you don't know (or don't want to know) CAN and WILL hurt you!
The "crimes" of these people were that they were against inhumane mass murders of innocent people over the world, and illegal invasions of other countries.
Our ruling class is guilty of every war crime, they are simply war criminals, and that's why they were asking for the exclusion from the war crimes law!
They are asking to be excluded from any responsibilities for anything they do, while they want to hold everyone else accountable for anything done!
And you still believe that you live in democracy? YOU should learn some basics before you start spilling your stupidity here! If a ruling class can do whatever it wants, without any responsibility for its actions, while asking for others to be held responsible and punished for even the smallest things, what else would that be but a dictatorship and tyranny?
Ignorance MAY be “bliss”, but remember this: what you don't know (or don't want to know) CAN and WILL hurt you!
I have been politically active for the 70 years of my life...I am a Liberal Democrat. I marched in LA against the Viet Nam debacle...also at camp Pendelton.
For the first time in all my years, I AM ASHAMED OF AMERICA; I AM ASHAMED TO BE NOTICED AS AN AMERICAN.(EXCEPT WITH OTHER LIBERALS.)
A.Hitler has been exumed and now he, Bu$h (the cockroach)is ours. Of all the war criminals I can remember, this slime is the worst. What is really SCARY is that I see the majority of usa citizens are being led to the slaughter...smiling and praising the kommander-in-thief! I expect this country will be intensly assulted (chemicals, bombs, (etc,)by the countries that now hate us. With great sadness & sorrow....JFSmith001 [at] aol.com :-( Peace
For the first time in all my years, I AM ASHAMED OF AMERICA; I AM ASHAMED TO BE NOTICED AS AN AMERICAN.(EXCEPT WITH OTHER LIBERALS.)
A.Hitler has been exumed and now he, Bu$h (the cockroach)is ours. Of all the war criminals I can remember, this slime is the worst. What is really SCARY is that I see the majority of usa citizens are being led to the slaughter...smiling and praising the kommander-in-thief! I expect this country will be intensly assulted (chemicals, bombs, (etc,)by the countries that now hate us. With great sadness & sorrow....JFSmith001 [at] aol.com :-( Peace
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http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0212/pt03.html
http://www.moonmovie.com/
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.globalresearch.ca
http://www.copvcia.com
http://www.questionsquestions.net
http://www.911-strike.com
http://www.unansweredquestions.org
http://www.communitycurrency.org/9-11.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://www.truth-now.com
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org
http://www.americanfreepress.net
http://www.madcowprod.com
http://www.911pi.com
http://www.sigacanada.com
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Dear Mr. Reality,
What war? The sections you posted are for actions taken during wartime. THE REALITY IS that your dear warhawks in Congress did not have enough testicles to declare war. No declaration by Congress, no war. The same situation came up in 1793 and James Madison himself (look him up) denounced it as unconstitutional. If you don't like it I suggest that you get a Constitutional Amendment. Until you do, it is the HIGHEST (look that up too) law of the land and overrules every statute to the contrary.
In the meantime what we have is an unConstitutional invasion, not a war. The politicians who caused it should be impeached. They are violating theior oath of office. The officers and soldiers that obeyed the orders should be court martialed. They are violating their oath of induction. Ant the citizens? The citizens who support it are murdering traitors and no friends of this nation, a nation whose highest principles are being spat upon.
Of course, the soldiers will say they were following orders. What's your excuse?
What war? The sections you posted are for actions taken during wartime. THE REALITY IS that your dear warhawks in Congress did not have enough testicles to declare war. No declaration by Congress, no war. The same situation came up in 1793 and James Madison himself (look him up) denounced it as unconstitutional. If you don't like it I suggest that you get a Constitutional Amendment. Until you do, it is the HIGHEST (look that up too) law of the land and overrules every statute to the contrary.
In the meantime what we have is an unConstitutional invasion, not a war. The politicians who caused it should be impeached. They are violating theior oath of office. The officers and soldiers that obeyed the orders should be court martialed. They are violating their oath of induction. Ant the citizens? The citizens who support it are murdering traitors and no friends of this nation, a nation whose highest principles are being spat upon.
Of course, the soldiers will say they were following orders. What's your excuse?
Caver1776,
“ Whoever, when the United States is at war, or in times of national emergency as declared by the President or by the Congress”
Why don’t you actually read the whole post before you show your ignorance and start mouthing off? It does not explicitly state that “War” must be declared.
READ.
Oh, and before you rant about me using the declaration of war scenario, that was in response to all these people running around saying we are at War.
Whether we are at war as declared by congress or not, we are in a state of emergency.
Also, if you read on….which I wish more of you people would actually do before whining….you’ll see this:
Section 2155. Destruction of national-defense materials, national-defense premises, or national-defense utilities
(a) Whoever, with intent to injure, interfere with, or obstruct the national defense of the United States, willfully injures, destroys, contaminates or infects, or attempts to so injure, destroy, contaminate or infect any national-defense material, national-defense premises, or national-defense utilities, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
What does that tell us? We don’t have to be at war, declared or undeclared, or even in a state of National Emergency. We can be at peace and having cookies and milk on our front porch, and ya know what? The actions of those protesters would still be technically “SABOTAGE.”
Why don’t you people ever read?
As for Ms/Mr Truth:
“Ignorance MAY be “bliss”, but remember this: what you don't know (or don't want to know) CAN and WILL hurt you!”
Wasn’t that my point? The protesters were stupid enough to go out there and CONTINUALLY BREAK THE LAW and then get all whiney when they get a little bruised and one person get a broken finger? If they didn’t know that breaking the law can have bad consequences, they need to get some serious psychiatric help.
Ignorance of the law is never an excuse.
Wake up.
Protesting is fine. That was never a question. Interference with the resupply of the military is where your right to protest became a criminal act.
Mr/Ms/Whatever Truth...you must be blissful....because obviously you are very ignorant of the law.
“ Whoever, when the United States is at war, or in times of national emergency as declared by the President or by the Congress”
Why don’t you actually read the whole post before you show your ignorance and start mouthing off? It does not explicitly state that “War” must be declared.
READ.
Oh, and before you rant about me using the declaration of war scenario, that was in response to all these people running around saying we are at War.
Whether we are at war as declared by congress or not, we are in a state of emergency.
Also, if you read on….which I wish more of you people would actually do before whining….you’ll see this:
Section 2155. Destruction of national-defense materials, national-defense premises, or national-defense utilities
(a) Whoever, with intent to injure, interfere with, or obstruct the national defense of the United States, willfully injures, destroys, contaminates or infects, or attempts to so injure, destroy, contaminate or infect any national-defense material, national-defense premises, or national-defense utilities, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
What does that tell us? We don’t have to be at war, declared or undeclared, or even in a state of National Emergency. We can be at peace and having cookies and milk on our front porch, and ya know what? The actions of those protesters would still be technically “SABOTAGE.”
Why don’t you people ever read?
As for Ms/Mr Truth:
“Ignorance MAY be “bliss”, but remember this: what you don't know (or don't want to know) CAN and WILL hurt you!”
Wasn’t that my point? The protesters were stupid enough to go out there and CONTINUALLY BREAK THE LAW and then get all whiney when they get a little bruised and one person get a broken finger? If they didn’t know that breaking the law can have bad consequences, they need to get some serious psychiatric help.
Ignorance of the law is never an excuse.
Wake up.
Protesting is fine. That was never a question. Interference with the resupply of the military is where your right to protest became a criminal act.
Mr/Ms/Whatever Truth...you must be blissful....because obviously you are very ignorant of the law.
Guess the gender in image 4 and win a prize.
Mr. Reality,
You write "Protesting is fine. That was never a question. Interference with the resupply of the military is where your right to protest became a criminal act. "
I am glad that you agree that protesting is fine. A surprising number of people don't believe in freedom of speech anymore. I still disagree with you however. Let me use an analogy to make it more clear.
It is against the law to interfere with a police officer in the performance of his duties. Do we agree on that?
If I observe a police office in the process of murdering women and children I most certainly MAY interfere with him. No matter how loud he screams "I'm just doing my job!", the fact of the matter is, that his job does NOT include murder. Doesn't matter what he screams...
He may defend himself, but that is not murder. Even if a Federal Judge tells him to go kill someone, he can't do it. That would be murder, because the order is illegal. A judge does not have authority to give the order.
If you had a Declaration of War you might have a point. As it is, what is taking place both in Iraq and with the people stateside who are supporting them, is a crime, not a legitimate function of military action. read the transcripts from the Neurenberg Trials. These are war crimes. This is the same thing that we hung Germans for after WWII. I'm not making this up. I'm not just being dramatic.
Of course, this may not matter to you. When Congressman Ron Paul requested a Declaration of War he was told by Republican Chairman Henry Hyde that that part of the United States Constitution was "inappropriate, anachronistic, it isn't done anymore." Congress and the President KNOW that this war is not legal and that they are violating their oath to follow the Constiution. This is the danger that Madison, the man who wrote the Constitution, warned against in 1793.
Mr. Reality, if you truly, honestly care about whether the laws of the United States are being obeyed, why weren't you at the protest demanding that our leaders OBEY THE CONSTITUTION?
You write "Protesting is fine. That was never a question. Interference with the resupply of the military is where your right to protest became a criminal act. "
I am glad that you agree that protesting is fine. A surprising number of people don't believe in freedom of speech anymore. I still disagree with you however. Let me use an analogy to make it more clear.
It is against the law to interfere with a police officer in the performance of his duties. Do we agree on that?
If I observe a police office in the process of murdering women and children I most certainly MAY interfere with him. No matter how loud he screams "I'm just doing my job!", the fact of the matter is, that his job does NOT include murder. Doesn't matter what he screams...
He may defend himself, but that is not murder. Even if a Federal Judge tells him to go kill someone, he can't do it. That would be murder, because the order is illegal. A judge does not have authority to give the order.
If you had a Declaration of War you might have a point. As it is, what is taking place both in Iraq and with the people stateside who are supporting them, is a crime, not a legitimate function of military action. read the transcripts from the Neurenberg Trials. These are war crimes. This is the same thing that we hung Germans for after WWII. I'm not making this up. I'm not just being dramatic.
Of course, this may not matter to you. When Congressman Ron Paul requested a Declaration of War he was told by Republican Chairman Henry Hyde that that part of the United States Constitution was "inappropriate, anachronistic, it isn't done anymore." Congress and the President KNOW that this war is not legal and that they are violating their oath to follow the Constiution. This is the danger that Madison, the man who wrote the Constitution, warned against in 1793.
Mr. Reality, if you truly, honestly care about whether the laws of the United States are being obeyed, why weren't you at the protest demanding that our leaders OBEY THE CONSTITUTION?
Yes. We aren't at war, because war has to be declared by congress, according to the constitution, and it hasn't. Bush is directing this as a military exercise from the executive branch of government. You can only have treason during a time of war. If Bush and other are calling this a war, then they are the ones breaking the highest law of the land. 'Rule of law" is a joke these days.
Thank You, for being the true brave Americans. I know in my heart that the injuries that these people went through was hard, but they are truely our heros. They are our heros of hope that some day we will all live in peace, with freedoms that we believe to be real, freedoms that we deserve, and freedoms that this country has worked so very hard for, like our new found Heros, Thank you for being my heros, Sincerely Theresa Campbell
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