hummercide

you have to remember that rich people and other nerds buy these obnoxius road-farts to try to impress the rest of us and get "respect"...they would be pathetic if they weren't so dangerous. any way, what i do when i see one coming (i did this yesterday in oakland) is to stand so the idiot behind the wheel can see me clearly, and give the full hitler salute as the vehicle goes by...the one yesterday was shiny black with chrome grill-it did look just like a nazi officer and when i went heil! it felt just like nuremberg!

Only a coward would beat another persons vehicle. Especially when that person is not present to ward off their cowderly act!!!

Sorry. I thought that was a movie.

So should we go ahead and do this to fat people too?

So buying a hummer is often genetically determined?

I come from a fat family. I'm sorry we are defined by genetics to waste gas for status, to take up three chairs in the movie theatres and pollute more than you skinny kids.

Shall we consider hummercide an act of vigilanteism or a direct action on behalf of the physical and social environment? Is the message to take the status down for owners? It's only fair to ask those who can to tip their cars over on the bridges and roadways and catch them on fire. We should apply ourselves to change minds before turning to property destruction, but there is a point to both.

If it keeps this gas hog off the road for a few days it is worth it!

How come no one has done this to Daschle's Ford Expedition? that might send a real message

Dear Mr Belligerent Rich Hummer Guy,

I'm sorry about what they did to your hummer.

That was a really nice hummer.

A lot of people might say, "That thing only gets 11 miles to the gallon. This oil war is for jerks like you".

Or, they might say, "Your F*&^*ing hummer is as wide as 2 cars. It's dangerous!"

Or, they might say, "Driving that F*&%ing hummer in a congested urban area destroys our city and makes us feel like we live in a war zone. Do you live in a war zone? Are you destroying our home and taking up more than your fair share of space because you feel threatened that someone might come and steal the money that you tricked someone else into giving you through your dirty dirty work?"

BUT, I just say, "I'm sorry that your hummer had a tough day today. Best wishes to you and your hummer.".

Sincerely,

Mr. Poopy Pants

I have to agree that this was indeed an act of a coward. I, along with countless others, would like to see peace in this world, but after seeing this Hummer trashed like this, as though it's an answer to the peace process, I could never support a group that condons this type of act. I've been sitting on the fence waiting to see what those in support of peace are all about, and I see this. Why aren't you speaking out about things like this? Absolutely ridiculous. I've lost all respect for your movement.

I am sure there is a gene that makes people buy hummers. You not a free will jesus freak are you? And besides, offending anyones sense of economy in consuming resources seems to justify extral-legal violence. Sorry.

As far as I'm concerned, anybody who drives a car period deserves this kind of treatment. And that includes buses. And cable cars. And motorcycles. And fat people.

This from a man whose income goes to pay men to drop bombs on Arab civilians so his gas will be continue to be cheap.

The only way that I can protect myself and my family for these deadly vehicles is to make them inoperable. You know that you are 50 times more likely to be killed if sideswiped by an explorer then you would be if hit by a volvo 240. Plus the driver of explorer's tend to drive less carefully because they think that their vehicle handles better. I suggest that all of us disable such vehicles for our and our neighbor's safty.

Until you succeed in getting a socialist dictator to run the country, you really need to get the people's elected representatives to sign off on that. Otherwise, someone else is going to unilaterally consider something you do dangerous, like, say, destroying private property, and take appropriate action. How will your family feel about that?

as much as i love seeing a destroyed hummer - god bless, i must register the following rather abusive comments (i'm sure you can take it, badass) i hope you didn't do it at a peace march - not directed at photographer but at perpetrator, who may not even read this....

how i feel about rock-throwers, vandals, and other petty criminals who think they're fighting the state while simultaneously bringing out the state's dogs upon others who are trying to do it also:

those who don't listen to reason and continue begging the police to take up their hackneyed cue as defenders of sf from rock wielding thugs, well they ruin my personal way of life, and i would literally round up these unfortunates and demand that they be arrested. seriously, to put it in military terms, they compromise my position, ok? feed em to the dogs. let them fight the baton weilding cops by themselves, i'm not planning on taking on a well-armed, well-funded paramilitary group (which is really what the sfpd riot brigade really is) any time soon. no way.

fuck them. we can only assume they're agent provocateurs anyway, and so they're probably going to enjoy meeting up with their buddies anyway. really, it would be so nice if protesters would hand over rabble-rousing sketch-artists to the cops, that's what the cops are there for anyway right? we *know* about agent provocateurs, we know what that word means don't we? if you want to fight, bring a plan to win. if i get my face broken, i'd like it to be for something worthwhile, not so some random dude can act like a jock for five minutes.

im tired of defending mindless jocks who think a crowd is their buddy and now they can use it do crimes and get other people to take their fall for them, while smearing the whole group to boot. fuck em - but, that's just my opinion, not like i'm going to enforce it on anyone. maybe i should carry around some of those plastic cuffy things. when i see someone doing this type of "action", i'll give them one warning, then another, then another, then i'll handcuff em myself, by god, and hand them over to the police. citizen's arrest. nip that shit right in the bud.

if you want to tag some shit, do it undetected, not in plain view of cops! it will work just as well to spray paint graffitti in secret as it would to do it at the march? in fact, you could do a better painting by yourself when you have more time too. tagging in daylight in view of cops at a protest only seems ok when you're too cowardly to do it on your own and you need the protection of a bunch of people. come on, people have been doing it for fucking decades! is the protest the ONLY way you can paint "smash the state" on somebody's wall or car? are you that much a gimp?

if you're going to break (into) cars, do it in your own secret thug way in the middle of the night. don't use other people's protesting to conceal your nefarious activites from the cops. when they come for us, you run away, and we get the piss and vinegar. we have to answer for that shit, ok? what am i supposed to tell them as i'm dragged into the bus? i didn't even get to hear what your philosophy was that *I'M* now representing with my fucking body in jail. sure, i loathe police too, but i agree with them about one thing - YOU should be put away, maybe not in the state's jail, in my anarchist utopia, you would be chained to a post and forced to defend a steak, tied to your waist, from a pack of wild dogs

want to shout at cops, and tell them how much they are pigs etc.? no one hears you except yourself. maybe we all think they're pigs too, but do you think you're the first one to think of it yelling it in their faces?? why do you think the best thing to do in a situation is to make sure the cops don't want to talk or listen to you, and to make them as pissed off as humanly possible? What are you going to do when they're spraying pepper spray in your face - will you want them to be receptive to your pleas for mercy then - when just two seconds ago you were "taking them down"?

Why is it good for us? how does it help? it's just fucking therapy for you, and it makes people demoralized and annoyed, not happy and cheering as you must have thought it would.

yell at cops by yourself, so when you get beaten, the baton won't accidentally hit me. i'm not your bro and i won't back you up. i will hand you over to them. hold your own "anti-cops" rally and see how many people show up. scream about pigs at the top of your lungs when you're playing "rage against the machine" in your own crib with your friends. i hate being associated with wannabe che geuverras who are channeling hate into fear and back again. when was the last time you had your mind changed by someone screaming in your face?

had to get that out. i make no apologies, that's why this board is here isn't it?

let's stop being inclusive of agent provocateurs. why should we? we let them fuck with our strategies of nonviolence, and they shit all over us, not appreciating or reciprocating our collective optimism, intelligence, and multifaceted desires to change society in other ways too. fuck em, i say, if you can't figure the shit out, get out of my scene, or i will send you into the arms of the cops where you really really do belong, agent provocateur.

You fans of property destruction, have you no sense of subtlety? Smashing and graffiti, whoop-de-doo.

You would have had a deeper, more interesting statement if you'd just taken off the cowcatcher in front.

You masked clowns might want to be careful where you destry people's property... in places other than SF, you could get a good beating for this.

Your pathetic justifications for this type of vandalism marks you as a collection of losers and misfits. Everyone knows it, too.

I watched the protest on M22 and surmise that if there were 75,000 participants, then there were the black sheep from 75,000 families present. think many of the people in this "movement" have some real issues that should be addressed through counseling. Specifically, I detect a lack of self-esteem, narcissism and paranoia.

Not only do many of the protesters know that they are misfits and losers, but so do most real Americans (including the owner of this Hummer who used HIS labor to pay for it.)

I hope the next Hummer driver you assault gives you a lesson in Hummer driving Mogodishu-style.

Dont worry about being taken seriously until you start policing your own ranks and exposing the hooligans who steal from innocent citizens.

Innocent women and children are being slaughtered. Their homes are being destroyed. And you're more upset about a car window!?! That's sick.

Sorry... I have no sympathy for the owner of the Hummer. Every time I see someone driving one of these military style vehicles on our city streets I flip them the bird.

I'm no tree hugging, college kid, black masked anarchist who advocates property destruction... but really, the culture that has spawned the Hummer is one that has no guilt , morality, or common sense. When the Hummer becomes "too small" and folks start buying TANKS as status symbols to drive their kids to school in... will some of you STILL defend the idiots and their "right" to purchase such "private property"?

Maybe destroying the damned Hummers with rocks and paint is extreme... perhaps shaming the owners and builders in a more polite manner is called for. But either way... HUMMERS GOT TO GO!

My personal suggestion is to vandalize the following vehicles, due to their owners inability to drive properly:

a) Old Volvos in Berkeley
b) Souped-up Hondas and Mitsubishis
c) Any pickup truck with more than a 2" lift
d) Any vehicle with gold "slasher" rims
e) Poweder blue Toyota Corollas and Saturns
f) Jeep Wrangler Renegades in all black with tinted windows
g) Mercedes Kapfwagens (They get even worse mileage than Hummers)
h) Any "M-Series" BMW not driven by a professional on a closed course.

Compared to this list, Hummer drivers are pretty innocuous. True, they drive freakishly large gas-guzzling whales, but they drive like lumbering whales, too. Overall, not much of a threat.

Drivers with cell phones are far more dangerous. Yesterday, a nut in a mini-van talking on her cellphone drove right over the curb at my son's school. Thank God the dismissal bell hadn't rung yet.

Oh brother, more ignorant bullshit from a liberal activist who sees all property destruction and the like as the work of agent provocateurs.

Dude, wake up and smell the fucking coffee!

Millions of people around the world use a variety of tactics every fucking day. Are the union members who engage in sabotage agent provocateurs? Are the Plowshares activists that smash military equipment agent provocateurs? Are the people who fight for their lives with violence against death squads agent provocateurs? Are the Zapatistas agent provocateurs?

Look, if you want to preach your nonviolent gospel, go right ahead. But can you sell your ideology on the positives instead of bad-jacketing the many activists who engage in different tactics?

By the way, great work on that Hummer. I'd love to hear mroe reports of SUVs and other cars smashed and destroyed. As a pedestrian, I'm sick and tired of being threatened by these terrorist vehicles.

One of our local activists got his by an SUV a few weeks ago. I'd like to think that at least the Hummer pictured above will be out of action for a few days.

dumpy wrote a three thousand word screed denouncing anyone who doesn't subscribe to his religion as an agent provocateur.

if dumpy gets a chance he'll turn the heathens (ie: those who don't worship at the alter of passivism) over to the police.

apparently you're not one to allow moral consistency or coherence get in your way, dumpy.

what a joke you are.

If you assholes would get a job you could afford to drive nice SUVs like the ones I own.

(If you assholes would get a job you could afford to drive nice SUVs like the ones I own) . ??? LOL. I have a job that pay's more then the one you have, I'm a Radiologist(Resident for 7 more months), and have no need for a gas guzzeler. I drive a Jetta, and my wife drives a mini van, but hey, why stop at a 5 mile per gallon hummer, why not just drive a bus you moron, oh and by the way, I doubt you have a job that could afford you more then 1 SUV, youre response sounds like what a 12 year old would post.....

agent provcateurs are people who, whether in the employ of the police, or by their own oblivious intiative, bring on an intensification of police presence, police repression, and whose actions are often the KEY ARGUMENTS upon which protest-repressing legislation is enacted. it has long term effects to the detriment of all of us who are protesting. if it's worthwhile, good. if the end result is that some cars are destroyed a couple of windows smashed, i dont' see how it's a good bargain. the price of those is fully extracted from the wrists, ribs, and skulls of protesters.

if you're going to be the reason people city hall convinces themselves that protests need even MORE police repression, the i hope you're getting something back from it. otherwise i'd hesitate to call it any kind of "tactic".

so break it down for me.

yeah, i'm a religious freak about it. no seriously, i love this image of the destroyed hummer, and i'm glad it got tooled over. in fact, i've spread this image all over the internet to many other sites.

i'm not saying at all that it's wrong to destroy property or any of that. nonviolence or violence, it's not up to me, i'm just one person, and i don't know the best strategy, no.

but i'm saying, people who do this type of shit only because they get protected by the immediate crowd around them are fucking up because they are dragging other people into their decisions. do you understand that cops are retaliating on people for something that someone else did? you can't reason with a cop who is coming at you - have you tried yet? am i supposed to say "but officer, i haven't done anything - it was that guy who fucked up the car". no, the cop is thinking "dirty fucking protesters" and i get to be your martyr, against my will.

i'm calling them agent provocateurs because, smashing cars ups the ante of violence and everyone else there has to pay for it. whether they're deliberately or undeliberately planning it, they play us into the hands of the cops faster and rougher than we should have been. i don't care if i get arrested, i can survive, but i wish it wasn't over something so petty because i would rather have been out on the streets for another couple of hours. is that ok with you? or do YOU want to decide for the rest of us when the protest should be over?

i don't care that violence is right or wrong, but just that violence is objectively bad for my survival and our survival in the face of well-armed militias. how am i going to defend myself, again, when the cop busts through the crowd and drags me off cause he thinks i busted that car? or do you think they really are keeping track of who does what and prosecuting appropriately?

it's the same thing with throwing bottles at cops. don't you realize this only works when there's overwhelming numbers? do people that start shit like that think they're starting the friggin revolution single handedly? that we're all going to jump in to defend (usually) him once the cop starts swinging at him? it puts the cops in a position where if they don't attack immediately they look bad to their superiors and they have no choice. it's like capturing someone's knight early in the game and then losing your queen, your rooks, and the game.

when it deteriorates into mass arrests, do you really expect people to just start fighting cops? we are outgunned, our advantage is definitely not in numbers or in weapons - it's in intelligence and tactics.

if mr.angry next to me decides it's a good tactic to throw his snapple bottle at a line of cops who are wearing armor, why is it a cardinal sin to tell him he's a fuck up and throw him to the cops? if it saves the rest of our asses and allows us to continue trying what we're trying for the rest of the day - it will be worth it. i agree cars are evil, so are white males - see the thought police for the rest of the list of "targets".

if you're so brave, go and fight them by yourself, that's not what i'm here for. no one gets to be the military leader of the revolution unless they *have* a military to command. if you think it's the best thing, do it and stand your ground, don't run cowering behind others and leave people who can't run as fast to take the blows. finish what you started! deal with the fact that you're in a tiny tiny minority of an already tiny minority of a tiny minority of people in the bay area. it will take more than few grunts and generic anti-state slogans to bring the masses to your side, we haven't all read the same books yet. do what you want, but realize that you are forcing decisions on other people when you get violent. it drowns out the others, it drags everyone else into the same rhetoric even if they dont' want to go there. if you really believe in freedom to do what you want, do it in a way that doesn't coerce other people - by yourself or with your friends, not with people who dont' want it. it's not wrong or right, it just is a fact of street protests- there are other people there who also have ideas.

in a mob scene, violence is fine with me. just let it be your thing and not mine. maybe i want to cause some violence too and one guy fucks it up for me. maybe my plan was going to destroy 100 SUVs, but you got my ass arrested before i could execute it cause you're so excited and you listened to street fighting man too many times in a row.

yeah, maybe i sound like i have a religion, it doesn't bother if you want to characterize me that way, i could give a shit, religion is not embarrassing, nor does religious fervor discount one's arguments.

i want to be fair. the "trash the state in little ways" "tactic", if it is a tactic, i'd love to know how it works. if someone could explain it to us, i will be your convert, and i will practice it myself. how does busting a rich guy's car help the fight? how? what's the strategy? i'm all ears.

so far, every explanation, though it is understandable, amounts to nothing more than "i'm pissed, these things are evil and we should destroy them". great, if we destroy a dozen at every big protest, how many will be produced to take their place? how are we "stopping" them?

also, does it matter at all how extremely alienating and upsetting an effect it has on people? or should people just go along cause you're angrier than we are? adapt, learn, reciprocate. don't just stick to dogma. everyone is changing their minds too. it's not just passion that wins an argument.

it's an expression of rage, fine, but why do i have to defend you, because that's exactly what you ask me to do. if we're in this together, convince people and give reasons, don't just lash out and accuse people who disagree of being playa-haters, ok. nonviolence isn't wimpy, it's proven effective. so is violence. big deal. can we move on from this basic quandary?

don't tell me zapatistas have peaceful protests and occasionally throw a rock at a window, key a car, spray paint some shit and then go home. they have a plan, and they have guns, they outmaneuver the state military, they help their communities and hold down entire regions. and they have the world listening to them. they fight soldiers, not just random objects that piss them off. if you want to destroy the hummer, let's see you really destroy it, take it apart into little pieces and defend yourself from the police as you do it.

who cares about judging people on the basis of the cars they drive, the clothes they wear, the color of their skin, or what music they like? i thought we left this behind in high school? jesus, it's like the thought police. sure, they're "pigs", but it's such a fucking useless campaign - to stomp out all of the offensive products people buy. at least the people who spiked trees and disabled bulldozers in the earth first had some brains and really caused damage.

this hummer is going to cost someone a couple thousand tops to fix the windows and get a paint job. obviously they can afford it.

and yeah, i'll be long-winded it's not like space is limited here , use the scroll button if it's too much. and yeah, it's a screed, i'm the prophet, and you're my little acolyte. so?

i don't think this shit is negative at all, i think it's great to argue with people and get all this shit out. as much as i rant at people on imc, i learn more from their ideas in the end. -dumpy

Oooh, a radiology RESIDENT! You're practically a millionaire! OMG! Finish paying off your student loans and then we'll talk about who makes more money! Wal-Mart managers make more than a freaking resident!

What is the purpose of vandalizing SUVs? You're not going to make people stop driving them. In the end we will all suffer when insurance rates go through the roof.

i agree with most of what you said.

I think a few of your comments are lacking, though.

I (or you) can like and appreciate a certain action and without claiming that it's the end-all and be all. I take a situational perspective: sometimes militancy is exactly right, it expresses a feeling that many are experiencing and serves to embolden....other times, it does the exact opposite. i have a problem with those who always want to do the same fucking thing regardless of the situation and mood, whether it's puppets, "deep" performance art, trippy "i'm freeee" antics, regulated marches, or fucking shit up. these are all tactics and only work to the extent that they send a clear message and make people see their power and feel positively about fighting the system.

your definition of an agent provocateur is bogus. just because you don't like the actions taken by some militant doesn't make them an agent provoc. period.

if militancy is such a boon to the system why did the SFPD arrest all the blac bloc-ers on Thursday as fast as they could? wouldn't they want them out on the streets providing the cops with endless pretexts to kick ass? i ask not as a black bloc enthusiast, but as one who doesn't like weak arguments.

I get what you're saying - i've been wondering along these lines too, but -

it's a theme which has rubbed off on me from conspiracy theorists and first amendment crusaders: things like the patriot act come from Sept. 11.

Cops in LA were allowed to have m-16s as standard issue only after that onelone gunman started shooting cops with his m-16 one day.

Here in sf the city was/is considering enacting draconian anti-protesting ordinances (i'm sorry i don't know the status of this, i know this stuff has passed in new mexico though, and they're trying similiar things in portland) - like which would involve requiring protesters to pay for police overtime and such nonsense. as an individual, i can run from a cop, but how am i going to fight a lawsuit - it slows us down?

i'm not saying agent provocateurs are "the problem", i'm saying - momentum builds, we're fighting the war, then some - maybe only 5 or 6 go off and start throwing pebbles at gap and old navy, or go after cars. again, i don't mind, good for them. it's just, when it's done while they're with the company of loosely-immediately associated fellows, we are all targeted.

i have been watching the police, very carefully, trying to learn from them. their actions on thursday came in the wake of the wednesday before, and the saturday before that. the cops generally respond more agressively to situations to where people have been causing blatant property damage, yes i do think so. when people are fucking shit up in their plain view, everyone is watching to see what they'll do and they don't like looking like they're letting it go. with just marchers, they are more content to just do stand-off and block the movement of the march (oh, heaven forbid they should get to union square!).

if most of the blac-bloc'ers were into trashing Gap or Old Navy or hummers or whatever else, it would be different - we would be the fucking unstoppable army of destruction, but actually most of us aren't into that at all. it's what the cops and the news keep saying we're all about, people call me anarchist when i put on the mask, but fucking hell if they know if i'm an anarchist or not!

seriously it's just a few who fuck shit up. again, good for them but when it comes time to confront the police, and some people are shouting at the cops up front "we are peaceful, we have a right to be here" and somewhere on the side some people are spray painting shit on a car, it kind of kills the credibility of the whole thing doesn't it? if you say - fuck credibility or legality - then how can we say we should be allowed to be in the streets? should large gangs of looters and vandals be allowed by the city to just wander around aimlessly leaving a trail of destruciton in their path? if that happened in my neighborhood i would go out and fight them with baseball bats and shit, i have a car - it's a cheap dying piece of crap but it's my lifeblood, andit's been broken into several times, think that helps me? if we wanted to be an army of vandalism, i don't think anyone would want to do it anymore and there would be 5 or 6 people left egged and beaten by an angry mob of neighbors who live in the area.

yeah, i'm part of this movement thing, but i'm also a city dweller and i live here. don't break my shit, and i won't call the cops on you. sometimes there are street fights between thugs outside my house. i call the cops. they have boards and sometimes guns. should i cower quietly, or should i go out and kick their ass by myself, or better yet, "reason" with them? no i call the cops, make them go away - i want to live.

if the spray painters and window breakers are really being guerillas, then why are they acting like such criminals about it, running away? because they don't want to get caught. neither do i. i don't want to be used as a fucking decoy or block(a la basketball) while they get away ok? if i'm wearing a black mask, i look like them to the cops, when all is said and done, all blac-bloc'ers are the same to a cop.

all i'm suggesting is this: carry on tagging, window busting, smash imperialism and all that. go on ahead. do it secretly, do it without getting caught and do it with your own crew surrptitiously. be the "wrecking crew" - fuck shit up, god bless you. don't do it when all eyes are on us and we're in broad daylight and they're just looking for a reason. how are we supposed to get all indignant and try to get people to be pissed off we're getting arrested when it looks like we "should" be arrested? it just doesn't make sense except in the limited sense of protecting the asses of the "hardcore" without anyone else knowing what their plan was.

analogy: maybe you might support drug use - even drug cultivation. maybe you have no problem with people who do it, but you choose not to do it yourself. wouldn't it get on your tits if someone was secretly growing some dope in *your* yard (let's say you had a yard) and one day the cops arrive and hold you responsible. never mind right or wrong - you can't argue with them. it's done at your expense, and you being pissed off doesn't mean you don't think drugs are evil, it just means someone made you their fall guy.

a lot of the people out at protests aren't equipped to deal with police vengeance, they have masks to escape detection, but they mostly don't have helmets of body armor to protect them. if tear gas came out, how many have wet rags or vinegar or whatever the antidote is? when the cops move, the slowest get hunted down first. it's not a game, people get fucked with.

i know, i know, people have fucked shit up before in protest tactics, and it shouldn't be totally out of the question or ruled out. no definitely not. i agree with situational response to constantly shifting conditions, that's the way it should be - nomadic war systems, dripping rhizomes, mongolian hordes, scythian disappearances and all that jazz.

i think the cops do deliberately allow people to fuck shit up so they can have an easy alibi for beating people up. that's what they do when there have been major riots in the US, like in watts and LA, the cops cordoned off the area, keeping the violence contained and self-destructive within poor communities. They did not try to stop it immediately, but let it destroy the people in that area before bringing the pain. That's their modus operandi in low income neighborhoods, as far as I can tell, keep it all contained, play them agains themselves. wouldn't you if you were a cop?

just think about it, if you were a cop, and your goal was to stop the protesters, just like our goal is to not be stopped by them, what would you do?

who benefits from shit fucked up? the most i can tell is the stories of fucked shit become inspiring stories & urban legends we pass aorund, like starbucks getting destroyed in seattle, or mcdonald's stoned in paris. that's not worth the immediate consequences. military tactics should be carried out by hardcore guerilla types who can do it fast and get away, not by large crowds of people who can't get away and can't deny they did it. it's just like leading sheep to slaughter.

furthermore, this is the bottom line: i'm not saying it's wrong to fuck shit up. just, fucking shit up creates mostly fear among people - especially people who work there, the corporate types, and most anyone who walks by it the next day. (i grant you, a lot of people would chuckle at seeing the "dead" hummer, i did, but even more people won't) what is the benefit of amplifying fear among people? how do you react when you are afraid? fear causes reflex actions of hate and anger and bitterness. don't you think we have enough? don't you think that's what helped inaugurate this war?

look at bin laden's fucking shit up, let's say he did a major fucking shit up. all it did was say "it's you vs. me, and i strike first". let's not put random people, people with families and jobs and relationships and religion and all that, afraid of their own city. they should feel liek the protesters are here to help and to open something up, not draw lines of paranoia of "who's car is a target for being too big?" how predictable it is when the hummer enthusiasts say "well, next time i see protesters, i'm going to run them over" yay, what an acheivement has been made, yawn. this is like the football rivalries i used to avoid in high scool. jocks, it's just a bunch of jocks, whether they're driving hummers or beating them.

we should attract people not make them fear "us" or hate "us". they *are* "us", but we go out of our way to make it look like "we" care and "they" don't, and therefore "they" will be punished. by god, of course they would want to be protected.

look at the preceding comments about how much money that radiologist makes - it's like on that level! who gives a shit if that guy's hummer wastes gas? big fucking deal. that'snot the problem - no, it's not. people smoking cigarettes isn't the problem either. nor is people doing drugs. the problem is the mechanisms which drive people against people in these very systematic self-destructive (to us) ways, manifesting in war. i believe saddam like the american leadership, because it's done nothing buit strengthen his control over his people for the past 11 years. and we didn't seem to have a problem leaving him in power either. it's the same game. willie brown plays it, so does gray davis. fuck hummer drivers! let them be, if anything they could be asked to join us and then we'd have really excellent military grade defense against the fucking paramlitaries in sfpd! rich people can help - everyone can help. i don't want to live through a modenr day french revolution followed by a bullshit reign of terror, or like under pol pot, where the "smart" were targeted. fuck targeting groups of people. target the real sources of evil, for once. we can do it.

the corporate overlords couldn't like anything better than to see young punks and spoiled suv-owners at each others throats. we could fight on that point like little tykes endlessly while they get away with murder. racism, classism, etc are capital's tools of division which keep people from understanding that it is in all of our best interests to cooperate instead of compete and to direct our collective devastating anger precisely upon the key mechanisms which destroy our happiness. sorry, i'm preaching out of my ass now, but you know what i'm saying right?

btw, thank you for anyone continuing this discussion, even the dumbshits, i'm really into it!

props to photographer - clean shot. 1000 points.

too bad they didn't turn it over. if you drive a hummer you're accepting that you live in a warzone, deal with it. don't bring that shit into civilian territory, keep it at the base.those "things" really should be illegal or more carefully regulated. should i be able to drive a fucking bulldozer with iron spears sticking out the front? what is this, fucking Death Rally 2000? jesus. is that grill on the front specifically to protect you from people you run over? jesus.

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and then some. take the hummer to Iraq and run people over there if you have to. better yet - drive it in the vincininty of the white house while drunk.

I think the anger directed at the pseudo-militaristic Hummers is tied in with the frustration that people against the war are feeling towards the "arm-chair marine" attitude in the media and the US culture in general. I see a Hummer on the street and it looks to me like someone living out a fantasy on invulnerability and conquest over their surroundings. They stink of the American attitude of entitlement and power. When you turn on Fox "news" and watch the "newspeople" reporting on "our" progress toward Bagdad and you see the Hummers parading through the desert on the way to liberation, and then you see another one of those machines drive down the road with a regular old person in it, you have to make a connection--rational or otherwise. These vehicles are massive symbols of depavity and selfishness. That said, smashing them just ticks people off. That said, the people need to get ticked off.

I just have one question for those of you who approve of SUV vandalism. Why just SUVS? All cars use gas and oil, why aren't you targeting the millions of commuters who drive an hour or more to get to their jobs? Why in the hell should their vehicles be spared? They should live closer to their jobs! Just drive down the 5 Fwy in So Cal at rush hour and try to find a car with more than one person. Why in the hell aren't those jerks in their Hondas and Nissans car pooling? If they lived closer to their jobs they would unclog our freeways and save millions of gallons of fuel each year. What about the guy who drives 2 blocks to the convenient mart to get a pack of smokes? He could have walked and saved that precious fuel. But hey, don't stop there. What about the teenagers cruising our streets just to have something to do on weekends? Look at all that fuel they're wasting, they should be shot! What about limousines with only one rider? Buses with 5 or 10 passengers? Stars like Jennifer Lopez who has to have buses and planes filled with flowers and other stupid bullshit to stroke her overinflated ego. What about people who use heat for their homes? Especially those with homes (like many stars own) in Aspen, CO. How much oil do you think it takes to heat a home of say, 10,000 square feet or more. What about sports cars, drag racing etc.....If you're going to target SUV drivers, I really think you need to pick on these people too.

How could I have forgotten to add RV's to my list? My in-laws put countless miles a year on theirs. I guess I should also add lawnmowers too, why not use a push mower instead? Then there's also gas grills, eeks! Are you going to punish us all? Destroy our homes, vehicles, gas powered tools? Where does it end?

We're all guilty... People that took the pictures (and perpetrated the vandalism) use the same gas electricity and natural resources that the SUV owner does... That makes them (the perps) just as complicit in any alleged "crime against humanity" as anyone else in this country, including SUV drivers...

Did they also not take into consideration that those vehicle parts will be replaced, using (again) the resources that were required to make it in the 1st place?

Quit pretending that YOU aren't also part of the problem...

I can assume that because that guy had that vehicle, he also had insurance. So, yes, you did inconvenience for about ten minutes. He walked back upstairs, called the Hummer Dealer. They then sent two Hummers and a tow truck out. He recieved the loaner Hummer while they towed his away. Now he gets all new stuff. And the City pays his deductible. I guess it's a "Win Win" situation. You guys are happy and so is he.
Please post more pictures of the vandelism the anti-American protesters caused. It really helps your cause.
You guys defintely have the numbers in SF but it is unfortunate you have nobody to guide you.
I love to watch you guys self-destruct.....LOL