MORE REASONS WHY AMERICAN TROOPS SHOULD NEVER BE SUPPORTED

That's it. One quote from a corporal. You're pathetic. How about objecting to the war but supporting troops and innocent Iraqi civilians.

These two statements are undoubtledly two of the most iignorant and atrocious I have read concerning the invasion force--especially the one that relies on pure casuistry.

Apply this "logic" to the the troops that decimated the USSR in WWII. The issue in NOT what is the personal politics of each individual soldier of the invasion force.
The FACT is that they are an invading army. Invading armies as a rule commit atrocitiies. Or is that a Category MIstake, nessie? Look at history.

The invading army is the ENEMY. The Iraqis understand that. As the Vietnamese did.

I have never seen such an ignorant misuse of "logic" as a fetish.

The US military is defending and promoting Nazi USA in its oil war, just as the German military defended and promoted Nazi Germany in its oil war, World War 2. Most of the German military, like all militaries, was from the workingclass; they were draftees too. Domestic needs were neglected while the war machine received the country's wealth. The school system declined dramatically to a point where there was almost no education, and the same is true in the United States. The American school system does not provide much education in the upper middle class schools and practically no education in the workingclass schools. This is deliberate as knowledge is power and people who are trained to think are trained to ask questions.

These troops were not "our troops" until they get out of that uniform and work for the workingclass and for the peace movement.

Just as today, no sane person would honor the Nazi military, no sane person can honor the US military that murdered the people of Korea and Vietnam and all the others imperialist wars of the US since World War 2. What the Nazi USA is doing is no different from what the Nazis did. We may have fancier technology, but murder for capitalist profits remains the same.

Nazi Germany was built by the capitalist class of the world, including the USA, to smash the large labor and socialist movement at home which succeeded in ending Germany's participation in World War 1, forcing the Kaiser to flee to Holland, and had short-lived successful socialist revolutions in sections of Germany. It was also built by the same gang of murderous thugs to smash the labor and socialist movements of the rest of Europe and to smash the attempt to build socialism in the Soviet Union. Nazi Germany was first and foremost anti-communist, as is Nazi USA.

As to the people who are currently joining the military, they cannot claim the ridiculous lie that they did not know they would be asked to kill people. They are all trained to use a gun and now with another Persian Gulf Massacre in full swing, it is obvious the US military is all about murdering the workers of the world for the profits of the rich.

It is long overdue that our peace marches go through all the workingclass neighborhoods chanting:
Don't Fight the Bosses' Wars; Fight the Bosses Here at Home; Organize Labor!

nessie, an army is NOT an individual. It is an armed group of individuals operating under a command structure. Its business is killing.

You even admit this in your statements.

You are the one with blinders--the blinders of bourgeois individualism. Given reality, your individualism is TRIVIAL.

SO WHAT! Private Smith is a nice guy, just following orders.

What about the small Iraqi girl, victim of an Anglo-American air strike, brought to hospital with her intestines spilling out of her stomach. I quote Robert FisK.

It is not "ideological blinders" to realize that the criminals who did this are the ENEMIES of the Iraqi people. It is the harsh reality. No matter if the bomber likes puppy dogs and kisses his baby goodnight.

And since the Iraqis want to LIVE, they are adopting that realistic stance.

It is a matter of group oppressing group. To get bogged down in trivial individualism is to forever avoid a solution to the problem.

I hate to mention this Nessie, but the NAZIs hated
capitalists. Capitalism is a stinking Jewish trait.
Second only to the Jews, Hitler hated the Swiss,
and planned to invade their little capitalist
country three times, but his generals
always talked him out of trying, because
it was counterproductive and suicidal.

The only serious oppostion to Hitler was
from the upper class, which hated his class leveling
schemes, and eventually tried to assassinate
him. Hitler and Mussolini were
originally Marxists, but Marxism wasn't winning
elections, so they described the world as working
class nations being oppressed by
imperialistic exploitive capitalist nations under
control of the Jews, specifically the UK and
US. Why do you think they was so wildly popular with the working class?
You should read works by Mussolini

We are socialists, we are enemies of
today's capitalistic economic system for the
exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair
salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human
being according to wealth and property
instead of responsibility and performance, and
we are all determined to destroy this system
under all conditions.
Adolf Hitler

The guys in the SS helmets were fighting
against the capitalist machine.
But God help you if your race or politics were at odds
with theirs.

Nessie writes:

Always remember, whatever else a soldier may be, he is a fellow worker and, as such, reserves [sic!] our comradely solidarity.

A fellow worker deserves our comradely solidarity when he is in conflict with the boss or the boss class. He doesn't deserve our solidarity when he sides with the boss against other workers, as, for instance, if he supports keeping a toxic factory in a working-class neighborhood in order to protect his job.

A soldier in the imperialist army deserves our solidarity when he rebels (like Asan Akbar) or mutinies, not when he "does his job". The Iraqi fighters do deserve our solidarity because they are fighting imperialism, even if under a reactionary leadership. While it's far better for U.S. troops to refuse to fight than to be killed in battle, it is also better that they be killed in battle than that they kill Iraqis -- soldiers or civilians.

Jackass: What can I do to help you get your message out to the mainstream american public who's support you are trying to win?

By the way, moron, a regime dominate by a single capitalist is no less a capitalist regime.

They only worked with capitalists who supported their schemes. Unlike the communists, Fascists weren't stupid enough to destroy their own industrialists, as long as they gave full support to the state. Anyone who didn't give their support had their property siezed for the people. You of course know what happened to the Jewish capitalists.

Marx said the greatest problem facing communism was traces of Jewishness, specifically their primitive attachment to private property. The other problem was races who were too primitive for communism, like the slavs. What part of National SOCIALIST Worker's Party is giving you trouble? After WW-II European socialists said compulsory socialism had failed, as the NAZI regime's atrocities clearly showed.

Communism itself also works with capitalists, depending on capitalist greed to sell the weapons the communists will use to destroy them. Buying weapons from capitalists has been part of revolutionary socialist thought since its inception. Look at those among you who advocate violent direct action. Do they argue for siezing the capitalist manufactured arms and using them against the government, or setting up independent collectivist assault rifle manufacturing centers?

The fascists abandoned class warfare, because it doesn't win elections in places like Italy and Germany, where too many people work in family owned businesses. Why would you try to kill your father and sieze his business, when you're going to own it anyway? Thus Mussolini's serious revision to communism, called fascism (he provided our current dictionary definition)., which could win elections in Italy. Fascism has all the pleasant aspects of paranoid totalitarian communism, without the class warfare. They viewed the world historical struggle as one occuring between oppressed and oppressor races and nations.

You might want to check the World Socialist Web Site, because much of NAZI party philosophy was dragged into the current socialist movement by De Mann and many of those involved in the 1968 Paris rallies, such as Derrida, who based much of their work on Martin Heidegger, the chief NAZI party philosopher. I don't at all care for socialism, but would still prefer that the fascist elements get purged from the current version. Here is a post on some of the intellectual ties to Heideggers works, links which weren't uncovered till the 1980's. It's on the world socialist website, so it's probably safe for you to read.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/apr2000/heid-a04.shtml

Well, that figures. We have a Hitler in the White House and here you are comparing Nazism to Socialism. Oh, those EVIL Socialists! Make sure that you look underneath your bed tonight before you turn the lights out.

Oh, that explains it ALL. You're a Jew. In case you haven't noticed, ARABS are the NEW JEWS. Are you so empty-headed that you do not see the parallels? Please read some history before you post your next response. READ about Hitler's regime and maybe then, you won't be so OBLIVIOUS.

I just love rationalizing the actions of zionist Israel. I just can't wait until every single last one of those wicked Palestinians is wiped off the face of the Earth! The death of my people must be avenged!!!

Would you like me to help you back into your straightjacket now? I'll also look underneath your bed to make sure that there aren't any NAZIS hiding there.

As always, when somebody cuts through the BS on ConspiracyMedia and speaks the truth, all the regulars can do is call names.

So, the jury is in: Good points, ''Read More!".

Thank you for shutting up the peanut gallery.

I must say that I'm not surprised. Here we have two conservative trolls who are supporting zionism. Way to go, trolls! Sharon must be proud of you two.