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VIDEO: Rachel Corrie on film. Her parents release a statement and a letter from Rachel
March 17, 2003
Important things to note. This was not a war zone as Israel's supporters portray it. It was a Palestinian neighborhood. The question is not what was Rachel doing in a Palestinian neighborhood. The question is what is an Israeli bulldozer doing in a defenseless Palestinian neighborhood.
Listen to the letter that Rachel Corrie sent her parents. It describes a world in which Israeli soldiers and settlers have been literally *terrorizing* Palestinian civilians non-stop, day and night. This is what she was over there to stop. This is what the UN was designed to stop but because the US government has blocked it from fulfilling its role, the ISM has become Palestinians' only protection.
Click on the link to see the video:
Listen to the letter that Rachel Corrie sent her parents. It describes a world in which Israeli soldiers and settlers have been literally *terrorizing* Palestinian civilians non-stop, day and night. This is what she was over there to stop. This is what the UN was designed to stop but because the US government has blocked it from fulfilling its role, the ISM has become Palestinians' only protection.
Click on the link to see the video:
For more information:
http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/dem...
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In the above Democracy Now video, Rachel Corrie's story begins 10 minutes into the video.
There is a short 20 second clip of Rachel speaking at the very beginning of the show as well.
There is a short 20 second clip of Rachel speaking at the very beginning of the show as well.
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March 16, 2003
"We are now in a period of grieving and still finding out the details behind the death of Rachel in the Gaza Strip.We have raised all our children to appreciate the beauty of the global community and family and are proud that Rachel was able to live her convictions. Rachel was filled with love and a sense of duty to her fellow man, wherever they lived. And, she gave her life trying to protect those that are unable to protect themselves. Rachel wrote to us from the Gaza Strip and we would like to release to
the media her experience in her own words at this time.
Thank you.
Craig and Cindy Corrie, parents of Rachel Corrie
Excerpts from an e-mail from Rachel on February 7, 2003.
I have been in Palestine for two weeks and one hour now, and I still have very few words to describe what I see. It is most difficult for me to think about what's going on here when I sit down to write back to the United States--something about the virtual portal into luxury. I don't know if many of the children here have ever existed without tank-shell holes in their walls and the towers of an occupying army surveying them constantly from the near horizons. I think, although I'm not entirely sure, that even the smallest of these children understand that life is not like this everywhere. An eight-year-old was shot and killed by an Israeli tank two days before I got here, and many of the children murmur his name to me, “Ali”--or point at the posters of him on the walls. The children also love to get me to practice my limited Arabic by asking me "Kaif Sharon?"
"Kaif Bush?" and they laugh when I say "Bush Majnoon" "Sharon Majnoon" back in my limited Arabic. (How is Sharon? How is Bush? Bush is crazy. Sharon is crazy.) Of course this isn't quite what I believe, and some of the adults who have the English correct me: Bush
mish Majnoon... Bush is a businessman. Today I tried to learn to say "Bush is a tool", but I don't think it translated quite right. But anyway, there are eight-year-olds here much more aware of the workings of the global power structure than I was just a few years ago--at least regarding Israel.
Nevertheless, I think about the fact that no amount of reading, attendance at conferences, documentary viewing and word of mouth could have prepared me for the reality of the situation here. You just can't imagine it unless you see it, and even then you are always well aware that your experience is not at all the reality: what with the
difficulties the Israeli Army would face if they shot an unarmed US citizen, and with the fact that I have money to buy water when the army destroys wells, and, of course, the fact that I have the option of leaving. Nobody in my family has been shot, driving in their car, by a rocket launcher from a tower at the end of a major street in my hometown. I have a home. I am allowed to go see the ocean. Ostensibly it is still quite difficult for me to be held for months or years on end without a trial (this because I am a white US citizen, as opposed to so many others). When I leave for school or work I can be relatively certain that there will not be a heavily armed soldier waiting half way between Mud Bay and downtown Olympia at a checkpoint—a soldier with the power to decide
whether I can go about my business, and whether I can get home again when I'm done. So, if I feel outrage at arriving and entering briefly and incompletely into the world in which these children exist, I wonder conversely about how it would be for them to arrive in my world.
They know that children in the United States don't usually have their parents shot and they know they sometimes get to see the ocean. But once you have seen the ocean and lived in a silent place, where water is taken for granted and not stolen in the night by bulldozers, and once you have spent an evening when you haven’t wondered if the walls of your home might suddenly fall inward waking you from your sleep, and once you’ve met people who have never lost anyone-- once you have experienced the reality of a world that isn't surrounded by murderous towers, tanks, armed "settlements" and now a giant metal wall, I wonder if you can forgive the world for all the years of your childhood spent
existing--just existing--in resistance to the constant stranglehold of the world’s fourth largest military--backed by the world’s only superpower--in it’s attempt to erase you from your home. That is something I wonder about these children. I wonder what would happen if they really knew.
As an afterthought to all this rambling, I am in Rafah, a city of about 140,000 people, approximately 60 percent of whom are refugees--many of whom are twice or three times refugees. Rafah existed prior to 1948, but most of the people here are themselves or are descendants of people who were relocated here from their homes in historic Palestine--now
Israel. Rafah was split in half when the Sinai returned to Egypt. Currently, the Israeli army is building a fourteen-meter-high wall between Rafah in Palestine and the border, carving a no-mans land from the houses along the border. Six hundred and two homes have been completely bulldozed according to the Rafah Popular Refugee Committee. The number of homes that have been partially destroyed is greater.
Today as I walked on top of the rubble where homes once stood, Egyptian soldiers called to me from the other side of the border, "Go! Go!" because a tank was coming. Followed by waving and "what's your name?". There is something disturbing about this friendly curiosity. It reminded me of how much, to some degree, we are all kids curious
about other kids: Egyptian kids shouting at strange women wandering into the path of tanks. Palestinian kids shot from the tanks when they peak out from behind walls to see what's going on. International kids standing in front of tanks with banners. Israeli kids in the tanks anonymously, occasionally shouting-- and also occasionally waving--
many forced to be here, many just aggressive, shooting into the houses as we wander away.
In addition to the constant presence of tanks along the border and in the western region between Rafah and settlements along the coast, there are more IDF towers here than I can count--along the horizon, at the end of streets. Some just army green metal. Others these strange spiral staircases draped in some kind of netting to make the activity within anonymous. Some hidden, just beneath the horizon of buildings. A new one went up the other day in the time it took us to do laundry and to cross town twice to hang banners. Despite the fact that some of the areas nearest the border are the original Rafah with families who have lived on this land for at least a century, only the 1948 camps in the center of the city are Palestinian controlled areas under Oslo. But as far
as I can tell, there are few if any places that are not within the sights of some tower or another. Certainly there is no place invulnerable to apache helicopters or to the cameras of invisible drones we hear buzzing over the city for hours at a time.
I've been having trouble accessing news about the outside world here, but I hear an escalation of war on Iraq is inevitable. There is a great deal of concern here about the "reoccupation of Gaza." Gaza is reoccupied every day to various extents, but I think the fear is that the tanks will enter all the streets and remain here, instead of entering some of the streets and then withdrawing after some hours or days to observe and shoot from the edges of the communities. If people aren't already thinking about the consequences of this war for the people of the entire region then I hope they will start.
I also hope you'll come here. We've been wavering between five and six internationals. The neighborhoods that have asked us for some form of presence are Yibna, Tel El Sultan, Hi Salam, Brazil, Block J, Zorob, and Block O. There is also need for constant night-time presence at a well on the outskirts of Rafah since the Israeli army destroyed the two largest wells. According to the municipal water office the wells destroyed last week provided half of Rafah’s water supply. Many of the communities have requested internationals to be present at night to attempt to shield houses from further demolition. After about ten p.m. it is very difficult to move at night because the Israeli army treats anyone in the streets as resistance and shoots at them. So clearly we are too few.
I continue to believe that my home, Olympia, could gain a lot and offer a lot by deciding to make a commitment to Rafah in the form of a sister-community relationship. Some teachers and children's groups have expressed interest in e-mail exchanges, but this is only the tip of the iceberg of solidarity work that might be done. Many people want their voices to be heard, and I think we need to use some of our privilege as internationals to get those voices heard directly in the US, rather than through the filter of well-meaning internationals such as myself. I am just beginning to learn, from what I expect to be a very intense tutelage, about the ability of people to organize against all odds, and to resist against all odds.
"We are now in a period of grieving and still finding out the details behind the death of Rachel in the Gaza Strip.We have raised all our children to appreciate the beauty of the global community and family and are proud that Rachel was able to live her convictions. Rachel was filled with love and a sense of duty to her fellow man, wherever they lived. And, she gave her life trying to protect those that are unable to protect themselves. Rachel wrote to us from the Gaza Strip and we would like to release to
the media her experience in her own words at this time.
Thank you.
Craig and Cindy Corrie, parents of Rachel Corrie
Excerpts from an e-mail from Rachel on February 7, 2003.
I have been in Palestine for two weeks and one hour now, and I still have very few words to describe what I see. It is most difficult for me to think about what's going on here when I sit down to write back to the United States--something about the virtual portal into luxury. I don't know if many of the children here have ever existed without tank-shell holes in their walls and the towers of an occupying army surveying them constantly from the near horizons. I think, although I'm not entirely sure, that even the smallest of these children understand that life is not like this everywhere. An eight-year-old was shot and killed by an Israeli tank two days before I got here, and many of the children murmur his name to me, “Ali”--or point at the posters of him on the walls. The children also love to get me to practice my limited Arabic by asking me "Kaif Sharon?"
"Kaif Bush?" and they laugh when I say "Bush Majnoon" "Sharon Majnoon" back in my limited Arabic. (How is Sharon? How is Bush? Bush is crazy. Sharon is crazy.) Of course this isn't quite what I believe, and some of the adults who have the English correct me: Bush
mish Majnoon... Bush is a businessman. Today I tried to learn to say "Bush is a tool", but I don't think it translated quite right. But anyway, there are eight-year-olds here much more aware of the workings of the global power structure than I was just a few years ago--at least regarding Israel.
Nevertheless, I think about the fact that no amount of reading, attendance at conferences, documentary viewing and word of mouth could have prepared me for the reality of the situation here. You just can't imagine it unless you see it, and even then you are always well aware that your experience is not at all the reality: what with the
difficulties the Israeli Army would face if they shot an unarmed US citizen, and with the fact that I have money to buy water when the army destroys wells, and, of course, the fact that I have the option of leaving. Nobody in my family has been shot, driving in their car, by a rocket launcher from a tower at the end of a major street in my hometown. I have a home. I am allowed to go see the ocean. Ostensibly it is still quite difficult for me to be held for months or years on end without a trial (this because I am a white US citizen, as opposed to so many others). When I leave for school or work I can be relatively certain that there will not be a heavily armed soldier waiting half way between Mud Bay and downtown Olympia at a checkpoint—a soldier with the power to decide
whether I can go about my business, and whether I can get home again when I'm done. So, if I feel outrage at arriving and entering briefly and incompletely into the world in which these children exist, I wonder conversely about how it would be for them to arrive in my world.
They know that children in the United States don't usually have their parents shot and they know they sometimes get to see the ocean. But once you have seen the ocean and lived in a silent place, where water is taken for granted and not stolen in the night by bulldozers, and once you have spent an evening when you haven’t wondered if the walls of your home might suddenly fall inward waking you from your sleep, and once you’ve met people who have never lost anyone-- once you have experienced the reality of a world that isn't surrounded by murderous towers, tanks, armed "settlements" and now a giant metal wall, I wonder if you can forgive the world for all the years of your childhood spent
existing--just existing--in resistance to the constant stranglehold of the world’s fourth largest military--backed by the world’s only superpower--in it’s attempt to erase you from your home. That is something I wonder about these children. I wonder what would happen if they really knew.
As an afterthought to all this rambling, I am in Rafah, a city of about 140,000 people, approximately 60 percent of whom are refugees--many of whom are twice or three times refugees. Rafah existed prior to 1948, but most of the people here are themselves or are descendants of people who were relocated here from their homes in historic Palestine--now
Israel. Rafah was split in half when the Sinai returned to Egypt. Currently, the Israeli army is building a fourteen-meter-high wall between Rafah in Palestine and the border, carving a no-mans land from the houses along the border. Six hundred and two homes have been completely bulldozed according to the Rafah Popular Refugee Committee. The number of homes that have been partially destroyed is greater.
Today as I walked on top of the rubble where homes once stood, Egyptian soldiers called to me from the other side of the border, "Go! Go!" because a tank was coming. Followed by waving and "what's your name?". There is something disturbing about this friendly curiosity. It reminded me of how much, to some degree, we are all kids curious
about other kids: Egyptian kids shouting at strange women wandering into the path of tanks. Palestinian kids shot from the tanks when they peak out from behind walls to see what's going on. International kids standing in front of tanks with banners. Israeli kids in the tanks anonymously, occasionally shouting-- and also occasionally waving--
many forced to be here, many just aggressive, shooting into the houses as we wander away.
In addition to the constant presence of tanks along the border and in the western region between Rafah and settlements along the coast, there are more IDF towers here than I can count--along the horizon, at the end of streets. Some just army green metal. Others these strange spiral staircases draped in some kind of netting to make the activity within anonymous. Some hidden, just beneath the horizon of buildings. A new one went up the other day in the time it took us to do laundry and to cross town twice to hang banners. Despite the fact that some of the areas nearest the border are the original Rafah with families who have lived on this land for at least a century, only the 1948 camps in the center of the city are Palestinian controlled areas under Oslo. But as far
as I can tell, there are few if any places that are not within the sights of some tower or another. Certainly there is no place invulnerable to apache helicopters or to the cameras of invisible drones we hear buzzing over the city for hours at a time.
I've been having trouble accessing news about the outside world here, but I hear an escalation of war on Iraq is inevitable. There is a great deal of concern here about the "reoccupation of Gaza." Gaza is reoccupied every day to various extents, but I think the fear is that the tanks will enter all the streets and remain here, instead of entering some of the streets and then withdrawing after some hours or days to observe and shoot from the edges of the communities. If people aren't already thinking about the consequences of this war for the people of the entire region then I hope they will start.
I also hope you'll come here. We've been wavering between five and six internationals. The neighborhoods that have asked us for some form of presence are Yibna, Tel El Sultan, Hi Salam, Brazil, Block J, Zorob, and Block O. There is also need for constant night-time presence at a well on the outskirts of Rafah since the Israeli army destroyed the two largest wells. According to the municipal water office the wells destroyed last week provided half of Rafah’s water supply. Many of the communities have requested internationals to be present at night to attempt to shield houses from further demolition. After about ten p.m. it is very difficult to move at night because the Israeli army treats anyone in the streets as resistance and shoots at them. So clearly we are too few.
I continue to believe that my home, Olympia, could gain a lot and offer a lot by deciding to make a commitment to Rafah in the form of a sister-community relationship. Some teachers and children's groups have expressed interest in e-mail exchanges, but this is only the tip of the iceberg of solidarity work that might be done. Many people want their voices to be heard, and I think we need to use some of our privilege as internationals to get those voices heard directly in the US, rather than through the filter of well-meaning internationals such as myself. I am just beginning to learn, from what I expect to be a very intense tutelage, about the ability of people to organize against all odds, and to resist against all odds.
For more information:
http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?...
Your hate-filled, misinformed comment is a perfect example of what Rachel and all of us are working against. Stop for a second and think - why are you filled with such hate? I hope you can get some help - for yourself and everyone around you.
In these ways:
1) It exposes people like John Q Public as terrorist sympathizers when normally they try to claim the moral high ground.
2) It shows the world that Israel is a terrorist rogue nation.
3) It shows the Palestinians that they should continue to fight because people in the world do care.
etc etc etc
Keep laughing, John. Your days are numbered.
1) It exposes people like John Q Public as terrorist sympathizers when normally they try to claim the moral high ground.
2) It shows the world that Israel is a terrorist rogue nation.
3) It shows the Palestinians that they should continue to fight because people in the world do care.
etc etc etc
Keep laughing, John. Your days are numbered.
Bulldozer-1 Rachel-0
Lesson learned? (hint: same concept as jaywalking)
LOL....LOL...LOL
Lesson learned? (hint: same concept as jaywalking)
LOL....LOL...LOL
The Maid and the Ogre
By Israel Shamir
A dreadful monster assaults the city, kills its brave defenders, and advances to devour the citizens. At the last moment, a young maiden demurely walks forward to meet the monster. Her very sight, the sight of feminine innocence, vulnerability, spirituality, certainty of the right cause, stops the ogre in its tracks. The beast suffers her to tie her belt to his mighty neck and walks away, tamed. It is the story of St Genevieve and of other beautiful and virtuous saints; a part and parcel of human heritage, and the subject of many gorgeous tapestries and paintings.
Courageous and noble maidens are still with us. They stopped the US Army trains with soldiers during Vietnam War, and they stopped Russian tanks in Prague 1968 and in Moscow 1991. Drivers of French, Russian, American and German tanks and trains knew: even a monster stops when a girl placidly places herself on his way. It is a biological law that we all are subject to.
Rachel Corrie was murdered by a monster from another tale. This young American girl, an ISM activist, tried to stop with her fragile body a Zionist bulldozer from ruining Palestinian homes. She could not imagine that the driver will look at her and calmly ride his ten-ton steel machine over her body, and back. Nothing in her life prepared her to the encounter with a monster born and bred in the Zionist labs, a monster that is totally alien and hostile to humans. She wrote to her parents: ‘no amount of reading, attendance at conferences, documentary viewing and word of mouth could have prepared me for the reality of the situation here. You just can't imagine it unless you see it, tank-shell holes in the walls of their homes and the towers of an occupying army surveying the [Palestinian children] constantly from the near horizons’.
Though she saw dead bodies of Palestinian children with their heads split by the Jewish sharp-shooters, she still had some illusions of ‘the difficulties the Israeli Army would face if they shot an unarmed US citizen’. She was mistaken. Her country’s President is about to send the US Army to destroy Iraq and turn the killers of Rachel into the undisputed supreme power of the Middle East. If Bush would be guided by America’s interests, he would demand extradition of Rachel’s killer. But the driver is not exclusion. The people behind the bullet-proof windshields of Caterpillars are the final product of Zionism. At the beginning of Zionist movement, its eugenic task was expressed in a poem:
‘Mi dam umi eza Nakim lanu geza’ – ‘out of blood and sweat we shall breed a new victorious and cruel race’, sang the Zionists. With murder of Rachel Corrie the experiment came to its fruition. The ‘cruel race’ is not a dream anymore, it is a new geopolitical reality. A few months ago, a Jewish bulldozer driver shared with the world his experiences of razing Jenin:
"I had no mercy for anybody. I would erase anyone with the D-9, and I have demolished plenty. I wanted to destroy everything. I begged the officers, over the radio, to let me knock it all down; from top to bottom. To level everything. When I was told to bring down a house, I took the opportunity to bring down some more houses. For three days, I just destroyed and destroyed. The whole area. I wanted to get to the other houses. To get as many as possible. I didn't see, with my own eyes, people dying under the blade of the D-9. But if there were any, I wouldn't care at all. If you knocked down a house, you buried 40 or 50 people. If I am sorry for anything, it is for not tearing the whole camp down. I had lots of satisfaction in Jenin, lots of satisfaction. No one expressed any reservations against doing it. Who would dare speak? If anyone would as much as open his mouth, I would have buried him under the D-9”.
Rachel’s dreadful death should open America’s eyes to the real danger to the world that grew in the Middle East. Her killers possess nuclear weapons, not only bulldozers. If Bush is so keen on a Middle East intervention and on removal of WMD, his troops could land here, on the shores of ar-Rafah, where is a real threat to the world’s peace, and forcibly remove all the weapons of mass destruction.
Israel Shamir
By Israel Shamir
A dreadful monster assaults the city, kills its brave defenders, and advances to devour the citizens. At the last moment, a young maiden demurely walks forward to meet the monster. Her very sight, the sight of feminine innocence, vulnerability, spirituality, certainty of the right cause, stops the ogre in its tracks. The beast suffers her to tie her belt to his mighty neck and walks away, tamed. It is the story of St Genevieve and of other beautiful and virtuous saints; a part and parcel of human heritage, and the subject of many gorgeous tapestries and paintings.
Courageous and noble maidens are still with us. They stopped the US Army trains with soldiers during Vietnam War, and they stopped Russian tanks in Prague 1968 and in Moscow 1991. Drivers of French, Russian, American and German tanks and trains knew: even a monster stops when a girl placidly places herself on his way. It is a biological law that we all are subject to.
Rachel Corrie was murdered by a monster from another tale. This young American girl, an ISM activist, tried to stop with her fragile body a Zionist bulldozer from ruining Palestinian homes. She could not imagine that the driver will look at her and calmly ride his ten-ton steel machine over her body, and back. Nothing in her life prepared her to the encounter with a monster born and bred in the Zionist labs, a monster that is totally alien and hostile to humans. She wrote to her parents: ‘no amount of reading, attendance at conferences, documentary viewing and word of mouth could have prepared me for the reality of the situation here. You just can't imagine it unless you see it, tank-shell holes in the walls of their homes and the towers of an occupying army surveying the [Palestinian children] constantly from the near horizons’.
Though she saw dead bodies of Palestinian children with their heads split by the Jewish sharp-shooters, she still had some illusions of ‘the difficulties the Israeli Army would face if they shot an unarmed US citizen’. She was mistaken. Her country’s President is about to send the US Army to destroy Iraq and turn the killers of Rachel into the undisputed supreme power of the Middle East. If Bush would be guided by America’s interests, he would demand extradition of Rachel’s killer. But the driver is not exclusion. The people behind the bullet-proof windshields of Caterpillars are the final product of Zionism. At the beginning of Zionist movement, its eugenic task was expressed in a poem:
‘Mi dam umi eza Nakim lanu geza’ – ‘out of blood and sweat we shall breed a new victorious and cruel race’, sang the Zionists. With murder of Rachel Corrie the experiment came to its fruition. The ‘cruel race’ is not a dream anymore, it is a new geopolitical reality. A few months ago, a Jewish bulldozer driver shared with the world his experiences of razing Jenin:
"I had no mercy for anybody. I would erase anyone with the D-9, and I have demolished plenty. I wanted to destroy everything. I begged the officers, over the radio, to let me knock it all down; from top to bottom. To level everything. When I was told to bring down a house, I took the opportunity to bring down some more houses. For three days, I just destroyed and destroyed. The whole area. I wanted to get to the other houses. To get as many as possible. I didn't see, with my own eyes, people dying under the blade of the D-9. But if there were any, I wouldn't care at all. If you knocked down a house, you buried 40 or 50 people. If I am sorry for anything, it is for not tearing the whole camp down. I had lots of satisfaction in Jenin, lots of satisfaction. No one expressed any reservations against doing it. Who would dare speak? If anyone would as much as open his mouth, I would have buried him under the D-9”.
Rachel’s dreadful death should open America’s eyes to the real danger to the world that grew in the Middle East. Her killers possess nuclear weapons, not only bulldozers. If Bush is so keen on a Middle East intervention and on removal of WMD, his troops could land here, on the shores of ar-Rafah, where is a real threat to the world’s peace, and forcibly remove all the weapons of mass destruction.
Israel Shamir
Im glad someone has realised what type of sufferings and tortures are taking place in palestine....
Jus remember one thing , this is for all the palestianians and muslims around the world who are also suffering from this torture and abuse...that i will do everything i could possibly do for u...
Allah is great...he will bring you to justice...
Jus keep your imaan strong we are with you all
Jus remember one thing , this is for all the palestianians and muslims around the world who are also suffering from this torture and abuse...that i will do everything i could possibly do for u...
Allah is great...he will bring you to justice...
Jus keep your imaan strong we are with you all
For more information:
http://www.broadband.blueyonder.co.uk
new candle has been lighted in the dark tunle of unjustice. Hope the light will be enough that John and his Israeli friends can see clearlly and hear certainly.
The palestinian struggle should continue, becouase it is the breath left in the arabic almost dead body.
Israeli: Kiss the foots of palestinean, ask them for forgivin and join them thier tea instead of killing them. So you be the happest people in the world.
The palestinian struggle should continue, becouase it is the breath left in the arabic almost dead body.
Israeli: Kiss the foots of palestinean, ask them for forgivin and join them thier tea instead of killing them. So you be the happest people in the world.
new candle has been lighted in the dark tunle of unjustice. Hope the light will be enough that John and his Israeli friends can see clearlly and hear certainly.
The palestinian struggle should continue, becouase it is the breath left in the arabic almost dead body.
Israeli: Kiss the foots of palestinean, ask them for forgivin and join them thier tea instead of killing them. So you be the happest people in the world.
The palestinian struggle should continue, becouase it is the breath left in the arabic almost dead body.
Israeli: Kiss the foots of palestinean, ask them for forgivin and join them thier tea instead of killing them. So you be the happest people in the world.
I can't view with Real Player, have their anywere a URL for download the video?
She BURNED the American flag ! ! !
It is important to balance critiques of Rachel Corrie's supposed privilege and the extra media attention her death has received due to her U.S. citizenship with acknowledgement of the fact that she, like you and I, could have been ranting on the Internet, cozy and well-fed in America, claiming solidarity with the Palestinians being brutally murdered, displaced, and fascistically policed by the Israeli-US war machine. Instead, she risked herself, sacrificed the easy luxuries of pseudo-activism and embedded electronic revolt, and ended up being murdered to protect the family who graciously housed her during her stay in Gaza.
Thank you, Rachel, for bringing to the attention of pampered U.S. scholars and those of us less willing or unable to join you, the atrocities in Palestine. I count myself as complicit- I enjoy the privilege of staying in my fascistic yet abundantly wealthy country and resisting in ways that I can, but not nearly as directly as you. I am sorry for your grieving family, for your grieving Palestinian friends, for those whose hatred and misunderstanding makes such a hideous and violent world possible, for those in Iraq whose grief is immeasurable and deep, for the world you bravely tried to change and left behind. I send love to anyone who reads this with hatred, approval, critique, misunderstanding, righteousness, identification, agreement, tears, and similar lament.
Thank you, Rachel, for bringing to the attention of pampered U.S. scholars and those of us less willing or unable to join you, the atrocities in Palestine. I count myself as complicit- I enjoy the privilege of staying in my fascistic yet abundantly wealthy country and resisting in ways that I can, but not nearly as directly as you. I am sorry for your grieving family, for your grieving Palestinian friends, for those whose hatred and misunderstanding makes such a hideous and violent world possible, for those in Iraq whose grief is immeasurable and deep, for the world you bravely tried to change and left behind. I send love to anyone who reads this with hatred, approval, critique, misunderstanding, righteousness, identification, agreement, tears, and similar lament.
Please pass on:
4 eyewitness reports on the Rachel Corrie killing by an Israeli army bulldozer March 16 2003 in Rafah, Occupied Gaza:
http://palsolidarity.org/disclaimerrachel.htm and
http://www.electronicintifada.net/v2/article1263.shtml and
http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=20030320090352125
Longer eyewitness reports:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1284.shtml
http://www.ccmep.org/2003_articles/Palestine/032003_the_moments_before.htm
Many photos compiled on single web pages:
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/03/1584046 and
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/03/1584046_comment.php
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction/message/741
http://boards.marihemp.com/boards/thread.shtml?1x47739x0
Rachel Corrie Memorial Website:
http://www.distanceeddesign.com/rachel
4 eyewitness reports on the Rachel Corrie killing by an Israeli army bulldozer March 16 2003 in Rafah, Occupied Gaza:
http://palsolidarity.org/disclaimerrachel.htm and
http://www.electronicintifada.net/v2/article1263.shtml and
http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=20030320090352125
Longer eyewitness reports:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1284.shtml
http://www.ccmep.org/2003_articles/Palestine/032003_the_moments_before.htm
Many photos compiled on single web pages:
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/03/1584046 and
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/03/1584046_comment.php
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction/message/741
http://boards.marihemp.com/boards/thread.shtml?1x47739x0
Rachel Corrie Memorial Website:
http://www.distanceeddesign.com/rachel
It's indeed comforting to know that Israel Shamir continues to tell the world the truth about the horrors being inflicted daily on the Palestinian peoples and the heroes who are killled trying to save children from being murdered by a killing machine. Thank you, Mr. Shamir. I've read numerous of your articles over the years and appreciate your honesty. Please keep telling us the truth. Sooner or later, and we hope sooner, the rest of the world will see for themselves what is really happening in the Palstinian homeland. . I wonder how many more thousands of innocents will be slaughtered before the world says ENOUGH? Dear God, help them, please!
Angie Tibbs
Canada
Angie Tibbs
Canada
rachel corrie took activism to the limits.she is what we all should wish to be as ,strong,corageous,and heart filled .in days were activist take to the street with signs,write letters and cause rukuss,it proves we all should be working on bigger long term goals.using our education,stregnth and passion in a direct way.becoming doctors and nurses and going to iraq,palestine ect.donating our time and art to make money to send to other nations.corrospond and interact with those we feel opressed in other countries.we are all doing a great job and what we can as anti-war activist,but rachels life proves that in our own little ways we can take our care to the limits.
Show me one thing that rachel Corie did that foster understanding and healing between Jews and Arabs in this troubled land.
On the other hand I can show you many things that she did that foster further hatrated of Jews and Americans by muslims .
She was very brave for standing up and eventually diying for what she belived in - But make no mistake about it: It was not peace she died for. Like any Other Shaid (the term used for suicide bomers) she died as part of anti-Israel campign.
Anti-Israel (or anti-zionism as you on SF prefer to call it) is not peace. It is the oppostite of what may rbing peace. Only lunatics can think that the way for peace is to destroy a country - Eevn George Bush only went so far as to destroy only part of a country. But the luntics on Indymedia want Israel destroyed altogether. This is what rachel dies for and it would not make any difference. Israel is here to stay.
Now do you want to talk peace ? Do you want compromise between Jews and Arabs - I am all for it. I favor complete israel withdrawal from all occupied territories. But surly you do not care. Just lable me zionist and ignore any reasonable dialogue. Continue with your hate. Sorry i interrupted you.
On the other hand I can show you many things that she did that foster further hatrated of Jews and Americans by muslims .
She was very brave for standing up and eventually diying for what she belived in - But make no mistake about it: It was not peace she died for. Like any Other Shaid (the term used for suicide bomers) she died as part of anti-Israel campign.
Anti-Israel (or anti-zionism as you on SF prefer to call it) is not peace. It is the oppostite of what may rbing peace. Only lunatics can think that the way for peace is to destroy a country - Eevn George Bush only went so far as to destroy only part of a country. But the luntics on Indymedia want Israel destroyed altogether. This is what rachel dies for and it would not make any difference. Israel is here to stay.
Now do you want to talk peace ? Do you want compromise between Jews and Arabs - I am all for it. I favor complete israel withdrawal from all occupied territories. But surly you do not care. Just lable me zionist and ignore any reasonable dialogue. Continue with your hate. Sorry i interrupted you.
Overall, the coverage on this site is excellant! Even as a liberal, this tragic event has been such so covered up that I had almost forgotten it.
How many "truths" have been buried by this administration? Who can we trust? Is it a President who states that despite whatever popular opinion my be, he "...respectfully disagrees"? Is this not the same stance being taken by the Israeli government (not to be confused with those of the Jewish failth)? What is the rationale behind the enormous financial aid being provided to Israel when our domestic economy is on the verge of collapse? What is the truth?
Perhaps only time will tell, but as we have learned from the past, it is our DUTY to question and search. We cannot lose sight that this is a government FOR THE PEOPLE and BY THE PEOPLE.
On a sidenote, the URL listed in STEP ONE is in "VIDEO: Rachel Corrie on film. Her parents release a statement and a letter from Rachel by Democracy Now Monday March 17, 2003 at 05:40 PM". It brings up Real Player which then indicates the file is not found. Has the video file been moved or deleted? Is there another way to view it?
Thank you Rachel, and thank you IMC for bringing this to the public eye once again!
How many "truths" have been buried by this administration? Who can we trust? Is it a President who states that despite whatever popular opinion my be, he "...respectfully disagrees"? Is this not the same stance being taken by the Israeli government (not to be confused with those of the Jewish failth)? What is the rationale behind the enormous financial aid being provided to Israel when our domestic economy is on the verge of collapse? What is the truth?
Perhaps only time will tell, but as we have learned from the past, it is our DUTY to question and search. We cannot lose sight that this is a government FOR THE PEOPLE and BY THE PEOPLE.
On a sidenote, the URL listed in STEP ONE is in "VIDEO: Rachel Corrie on film. Her parents release a statement and a letter from Rachel by Democracy Now Monday March 17, 2003 at 05:40 PM". It brings up Real Player which then indicates the file is not found. Has the video file been moved or deleted? Is there another way to view it?
Thank you Rachel, and thank you IMC for bringing this to the public eye once again!
For more information:
http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/dem...
Palestinian civilians, who often become victims of Israeli military operations, do not endanger the state of Israel. Neither do unarmexd peace activists who try to protect them, even with their bodies. Trying to place Rachel Corrie into same group as suicide bombers is an insanity.
Who endangers the state of Israel and peace in the region? The Palestinian terrorists, of course. But so do the Israeli soldiers: each time they demolish Palestinian houses in what looks like collective punishment, each time they launch attacks against residential buildings where a Palestinian terrorist lives and kill ten civilians with him, it only encourages Palestinians to commit more terrorist attacks.
I encourage you to have a look at Amnesty International reports on the conflict, such as this one.
Mike Rosoft
Who endangers the state of Israel and peace in the region? The Palestinian terrorists, of course. But so do the Israeli soldiers: each time they demolish Palestinian houses in what looks like collective punishment, each time they launch attacks against residential buildings where a Palestinian terrorist lives and kill ten civilians with him, it only encourages Palestinians to commit more terrorist attacks.
I encourage you to have a look at Amnesty International reports on the conflict, such as this one.
Mike Rosoft
Ah, but, Ender, she didn't HAVE to die, did she?
She was run over by a bulldozer, driven by an Israeli soldier. He could have stopped, gotten out, and, if he felt it necessary, arrested her, removed her from the scene, whatever.
My friend, Israel does not need people like Rachel to further the "hatred" between these peoples. Israel has managed to do this, and continues to do this, quite well on its own.
HE DID NOT HAVE TO KILL HER.
She was run over by a bulldozer, driven by an Israeli soldier. He could have stopped, gotten out, and, if he felt it necessary, arrested her, removed her from the scene, whatever.
My friend, Israel does not need people like Rachel to further the "hatred" between these peoples. Israel has managed to do this, and continues to do this, quite well on its own.
HE DID NOT HAVE TO KILL HER.
Thanks for passing along that site. It was very helpful.
ZIONIST = Death if your not one of them
"She was run over by a bulldozer, driven by an Israeli soldier. He could have stopped, gotten out, and, if he felt it necessary, arrested her, removed her from the scene, whatever."
Whatever being, he could have been shot by a Palestinian sniper. Or didn't you know they do that?
Did you think Rafa is just like Berkeley?
I'd like to see YOU step out of your armor under hostile fire..
Whatever being, he could have been shot by a Palestinian sniper. Or didn't you know they do that?
Did you think Rafa is just like Berkeley?
I'd like to see YOU step out of your armor under hostile fire..
You approve of homes being bulldozed sometimes with people in them?
You approve of bulldozer operators running over innocent human beings?
Now tell us what would happen if someone tried to do the same thing in Israel.
You approve of bulldozer operators running over innocent human beings?
Now tell us what would happen if someone tried to do the same thing in Israel.
Shooting is too good for scum like him.
If a palestinian buldozed a jew?
he would probably get paid some money by the terrorist groups (or maybe some states that sponsor terrorists) and get his picture posted up as a hero.
especially if he got himself killed.
he would probably get paid some money by the terrorist groups (or maybe some states that sponsor terrorists) and get his picture posted up as a hero.
especially if he got himself killed.
Israel had its share of terrorists, and, in fact, still does. Read your Israeli history from an independent source and names such as Shamir, Begin, Sharon will leap out at you.
I oppose jewish terrorism also. If I had been around then I would have supported their routing (as long as there was sufficient evidence they were terrorists). Anyway I am not into punishing people for their ancestors.
As it happens most of the terrorists now are arabic.
As it happens most of the terrorists now are arabic.
Begin, Shamir, and Sharon are not terrorists. They are well-respected leaders who helped build the State of Israel. Ask any Israeli citizen. Who kicked the Arabs' and the British asses when they tried to hurt the Jews?? Begin, Shamir, and Sharon. They are heroes, worthy of admiration.
On the contrary Shamir and Begin were leaders of the first terrorist organizations in Palestine in the 1940s.
Shamir was leader of the Stern Gang whilst Begin was leader of the larger Irgun Zvi Leuhmi.
These two terrorist groups worked in tandem and were responsible for introducing terrorist techniques into Palestine -- car bombings, assassinations, kidnappings, hijacking of military vehicles, and the lynching of British soldiers in olive groves outside Jerusalem.
As if that were not enough they were also responsible for the car bombing of the King David Hotel wherein 92 people were slaughered and for the massacre of civilians in the Palestinian village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem.
Just because they later went on to become Prime Ministers and have tea with the Queen of England doesn't lessen their evil pasts a damn bit.
And why would Sharon be referred to by the world at large as the Butcher of the Middle East? He is a known war criminal who, if he lived in any other country, would be imprisoned for his atrocities from 1954 onward.
Stop trying to rewrite history.
Shamir was leader of the Stern Gang whilst Begin was leader of the larger Irgun Zvi Leuhmi.
These two terrorist groups worked in tandem and were responsible for introducing terrorist techniques into Palestine -- car bombings, assassinations, kidnappings, hijacking of military vehicles, and the lynching of British soldiers in olive groves outside Jerusalem.
As if that were not enough they were also responsible for the car bombing of the King David Hotel wherein 92 people were slaughered and for the massacre of civilians in the Palestinian village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem.
Just because they later went on to become Prime Ministers and have tea with the Queen of England doesn't lessen their evil pasts a damn bit.
And why would Sharon be referred to by the world at large as the Butcher of the Middle East? He is a known war criminal who, if he lived in any other country, would be imprisoned for his atrocities from 1954 onward.
Stop trying to rewrite history.
And why would Sharon be referred to by the world at large as the Butcher of the Middle East? He is a known war criminal who, if he lived in any other country, would be imprisoned for his atrocities from 1954 onward.
- because of you. the double standard between him and arafat is a classic example of why you and those countries that are to the left of you on this issue cannot be trusted.
- because of you. the double standard between him and arafat is a classic example of why you and those countries that are to the left of you on this issue cannot be trusted.
The real double standard occurs when someone tries to paint the terrorists of Israel as pure as the driven snow (to use an ole cliche) and as outstanding leaders who never killed a Palestinian or anyone else in their entire lives.
I would like to hear what the victims of the massacre at Deir Yassin in 1948 would have to say about that, and if you haven't read the numerous articles about this total horror, then you should.
It is something Israel likes to cover up (like all its other massacres) and no wonder. That humankind could be so evil towards its fellow brothers and sisters is beyond belief.
I would like to hear what the victims of the massacre at Deir Yassin in 1948 would have to say about that, and if you haven't read the numerous articles about this total horror, then you should.
It is something Israel likes to cover up (like all its other massacres) and no wonder. That humankind could be so evil towards its fellow brothers and sisters is beyond belief.
How can you criticize poor Israel for demolishing Palestinian homes, shooting their kids, and comitting human rights abuses against non Jews around the world?!!!
Oy, don't you know we are always the victims, even when we are the ones with the guns terrorizing innocent people (but they aren't innocent, you see, they only deserve to live if they are Jewish zionists, you know)?!!!
ISRAEL CANNOT BE CRITICIZED. UNLIKE YOU GOYS, WE HAVE A RIGHT TO ACT LIKE FASCISTS. YOU DON'T. SO STOP CRITICIZING OUR NAZI TACTICS BEFORE WE KILL YOU TOO.
P.S. No matter how bad things look, you must always remember that no matter how much kids we kill or how much blood we spill, WE are ALWAYS the victims!!!!
So stop gnashing your teeth in anger against the only civilized nation on earth (and the ONLY one which has the right to defy the UN, by the way!) and go see Schindler's List. Afterwards, donate some money to a nearby Zionist organization that loves Israel (but stay away from these damn Jewish groups like Jews Against The Occupation (JATO) or Neturei Karta, they haven't Nazified (I mean Zionized!!!) yet and still insist on following their religion! They are antisemitic!
Remember, Israel is the BEST nation on earth, and needs help in maintaining its domination over the world. Having survived the Holocaust, we learned many painful lessons. That's why we don't let our opponents live long enough to condemn what we do.
Just remember, we are the most oppressed people in the world, and you better always stand by our side.
Or we will kill you.
Oy, don't you know we are always the victims, even when we are the ones with the guns terrorizing innocent people (but they aren't innocent, you see, they only deserve to live if they are Jewish zionists, you know)?!!!
ISRAEL CANNOT BE CRITICIZED. UNLIKE YOU GOYS, WE HAVE A RIGHT TO ACT LIKE FASCISTS. YOU DON'T. SO STOP CRITICIZING OUR NAZI TACTICS BEFORE WE KILL YOU TOO.
P.S. No matter how bad things look, you must always remember that no matter how much kids we kill or how much blood we spill, WE are ALWAYS the victims!!!!
So stop gnashing your teeth in anger against the only civilized nation on earth (and the ONLY one which has the right to defy the UN, by the way!) and go see Schindler's List. Afterwards, donate some money to a nearby Zionist organization that loves Israel (but stay away from these damn Jewish groups like Jews Against The Occupation (JATO) or Neturei Karta, they haven't Nazified (I mean Zionized!!!) yet and still insist on following their religion! They are antisemitic!
Remember, Israel is the BEST nation on earth, and needs help in maintaining its domination over the world. Having survived the Holocaust, we learned many painful lessons. That's why we don't let our opponents live long enough to condemn what we do.
Just remember, we are the most oppressed people in the world, and you better always stand by our side.
Or we will kill you.
The real double standard occurs when someone tries to paint the terrorists of Israel as pure as the driven snow (to use an ole cliche) and as outstanding leaders who never killed a Palestinian or anyone else in their entire lives.
- Well in the sense that clinton is guilty for all peopel killed by the police (guilty or not) while he was in office ok you can have that. Im even willing to accept that it is not rational to say "all israeli politicians are innocent and pure. but the statement "all are evil" doesnt make any sense either.
I would like to hear what the victims of the massacre at Deir Yassin in 1948 would have to say about that,
-- Yes they would probably say "kill all the jews" and the victims of the suicide bombings might say somthing similar about arabs.. does that get us anywhere?
- Well in the sense that clinton is guilty for all peopel killed by the police (guilty or not) while he was in office ok you can have that. Im even willing to accept that it is not rational to say "all israeli politicians are innocent and pure. but the statement "all are evil" doesnt make any sense either.
I would like to hear what the victims of the massacre at Deir Yassin in 1948 would have to say about that,
-- Yes they would probably say "kill all the jews" and the victims of the suicide bombings might say somthing similar about arabs.. does that get us anywhere?
Well, isn't that a carefully thought out and reasoned comment. Nice grammar.
Well, isn't that a carefully thought out and reasoned comment. Nice grammar.
I read a few comments in the site, and thought that someone should see our side too.
When i say our side- i mean Israel's side.
About Zionism - Many of you here, like 'concerned zionist' talk about zionism like its a crime, i even saw something supposed to be a quote of a Hebrew song "Bedam veyza naase lanu geza" or somthing like that, which was, of course, translated and interpered as the author felt like translating and interperting it.
So - let me tell all of you people, talking about Zionism- please, read some history before you betry your ignorancy to the public. I was 10 yrs old when i learned about the zionist movement. I must tell you this- there was nothing about hate or anything close in my history books. The zionist movement, and it's founder Theodor Herzel, acted to found a jewish state in the promised land. And no. He did not kill anyone. He tried to use political power of jewish people abroad to convice the Turks, that controlled the land then, to give us some of the land. He died from heart attack and did not see his people come to the promised land. It's very interesting to read about him, i suggest all of you, before using the word Zionism - learn it's meaning. It has nothing to do with hate and racism whatsoever, although Zionism and Nazism contain the letter "Z".
About comparing israel to Nazis - it's funny. Again it shows ignorancy. Nazism is about racism, destruction of a race, in a systematic way. Yes, i learned alot about the holocaust. Whenever i see that comparison - somthing boils in my blood and the speaker looks like a complete idiot. I was a solidier, so i was there and no one of you, couch potatos can tell me other truth than mine. I was there. WE DO NOT destroy a race. we are two people at the state of war. continuous war. And at war- people die. Yes. and ISM members are not immune.
The cycle goes like this: A palestinian suicide bomber kills 17-20 people at a tragic moment when they least expect it- on a coffee shop, mall, pub etc. (You don't see pictures of dead bodies after a suicide bombing. Why is that? at sites like this and more i saw Rachel Corrie bleeds, broken bones etc. hmm. where is the picture of the israeli's woman body - a mother to 5 children that died in a suicide bombing after hundreds of nails and screws have torn her body apart? and yes - the put metal parts in the explosives to create maximum fatalities). Then the Israeli intelligence locate the region that the bomber came from and destroy his home. Yes. terrible. now, a whole family will be homeless. But, the system was proven as effective. There were much less suicide bombing after this system was introduced. I preffer a few homeless palestinians then a dead girlfriend. After all, when you look at it cold and sharp - this is a war. now, try to minimize loss of lives and pain.
SO - why is Israel diffrent then "Nazism"?I feel stupid explaining, it's like explaining the diffrence between day and night. so let me begin in simple things: because we do not kill - "for nothing". We do not have "light triggers". Ask american solidiers in the vietnam war- how is it like to fight in a city. We kill only when we have to. And yes, children die too. from both sides. So does ISM members. why you ask? i saw several times children - 10 year old, throwing stones. I saw the famous picture, simply heroic, of a small boy infront of a tank. when children are involved in war, they will die too. When you have a crowed of hundreds of people, some of them are armed and shooting at you, you shoot back to the sources of fire. from here it's just a statistic- who will get the bullet. that's it. I blame palestinian parents and politician that use, cinically, children in this war. What kind of parent will send his children to a warzone? what kind of educational system will cuase a 10yr old boy to answer to the question "What do you wanna do when you grow up?" in the words "kill jews"? I'll tell you what. it's a radical society, feeding on israel's weekness to fight terror, educating to hate from young age and to die for god (they speak in the name of god... damn, cant you see that?). a society that mass produce suicide bombers.
Now - i forgot about Rachel Corrie already. this is how things are in this country. Her death is no diffrent from any other death. I have a friend that was an activist of a peace movement, untill a palestinain murderer chased his girlfriend and when he caught her he slauthered her. Did you hear that on the news? guess not. Well, i think it's obvious this friend of mine is no longer a peace activist. on the contrary. Death does not see whether you are kind, a peace activist, girl or a boy. and death here is in the form of a human (or, supposed to be human - i cannot see the humanity in killing 17 year old girls at the line for a disquothec) suicide palestinian bomber.
So, When you will see hate burning in the eyes of your enemy, eating what's left of his heart as i've seen, when you see that all the religiuos leaders preach to die for god because then you will go to heaven and have 70 virgins all for yourself, no matter that you killed 70 other innocent people along the way, when you see the palestinian leaders that do not lead nobody - all are just gangs of street terrorists that sometimes "obey" the so called "leader" and sometimes not, when you see how israel restrain it's solidiers, then you'll be able to talk in this forum.
People all over the world cannot understand. It's not cause they're stupid. It's because the media does not display a balanced coverege. Last month, a picture from the bus suicide bombing was printed on a newspaper in england. the response was great. at last you see some flesh, some blood. Sometimes i think it's not just the palestinians politicians who's blood thirsty, it's europe and the rest of the world. If the internet was flooded with pro-israel articles and pictures of blood and dead bodies, torn fingers, ears, legs - then the picture would have been diffrent.
I wish i could make my point on this site, but it's so difficult to show the truth to one that would not listen, and it's so hard to talk about some issue when the whole perception is twisted by the media. i suggest you come here and stay a while with a nice jewish family to learn a bit more and beyond your TV screen and the newspaper undoubted truths.
I am not surprised of her death. I am surprised that my government let them in at the first place. If i would interfere with the slightest military or governmental issue in the US - i will be deported before ill even look back. THIS what could save her from dying, and yes- i blame the israeli government for not taking more drastic measures to end the conflict as we had come to the conclusion that peace will not prevail here. One of the measures would be, probably, to deport all the peace activists, that, not intentionaly, only cause war and more conflicts.
When i say our side- i mean Israel's side.
About Zionism - Many of you here, like 'concerned zionist' talk about zionism like its a crime, i even saw something supposed to be a quote of a Hebrew song "Bedam veyza naase lanu geza" or somthing like that, which was, of course, translated and interpered as the author felt like translating and interperting it.
So - let me tell all of you people, talking about Zionism- please, read some history before you betry your ignorancy to the public. I was 10 yrs old when i learned about the zionist movement. I must tell you this- there was nothing about hate or anything close in my history books. The zionist movement, and it's founder Theodor Herzel, acted to found a jewish state in the promised land. And no. He did not kill anyone. He tried to use political power of jewish people abroad to convice the Turks, that controlled the land then, to give us some of the land. He died from heart attack and did not see his people come to the promised land. It's very interesting to read about him, i suggest all of you, before using the word Zionism - learn it's meaning. It has nothing to do with hate and racism whatsoever, although Zionism and Nazism contain the letter "Z".
About comparing israel to Nazis - it's funny. Again it shows ignorancy. Nazism is about racism, destruction of a race, in a systematic way. Yes, i learned alot about the holocaust. Whenever i see that comparison - somthing boils in my blood and the speaker looks like a complete idiot. I was a solidier, so i was there and no one of you, couch potatos can tell me other truth than mine. I was there. WE DO NOT destroy a race. we are two people at the state of war. continuous war. And at war- people die. Yes. and ISM members are not immune.
The cycle goes like this: A palestinian suicide bomber kills 17-20 people at a tragic moment when they least expect it- on a coffee shop, mall, pub etc. (You don't see pictures of dead bodies after a suicide bombing. Why is that? at sites like this and more i saw Rachel Corrie bleeds, broken bones etc. hmm. where is the picture of the israeli's woman body - a mother to 5 children that died in a suicide bombing after hundreds of nails and screws have torn her body apart? and yes - the put metal parts in the explosives to create maximum fatalities). Then the Israeli intelligence locate the region that the bomber came from and destroy his home. Yes. terrible. now, a whole family will be homeless. But, the system was proven as effective. There were much less suicide bombing after this system was introduced. I preffer a few homeless palestinians then a dead girlfriend. After all, when you look at it cold and sharp - this is a war. now, try to minimize loss of lives and pain.
SO - why is Israel diffrent then "Nazism"?I feel stupid explaining, it's like explaining the diffrence between day and night. so let me begin in simple things: because we do not kill - "for nothing". We do not have "light triggers". Ask american solidiers in the vietnam war- how is it like to fight in a city. We kill only when we have to. And yes, children die too. from both sides. So does ISM members. why you ask? i saw several times children - 10 year old, throwing stones. I saw the famous picture, simply heroic, of a small boy infront of a tank. when children are involved in war, they will die too. When you have a crowed of hundreds of people, some of them are armed and shooting at you, you shoot back to the sources of fire. from here it's just a statistic- who will get the bullet. that's it. I blame palestinian parents and politician that use, cinically, children in this war. What kind of parent will send his children to a warzone? what kind of educational system will cuase a 10yr old boy to answer to the question "What do you wanna do when you grow up?" in the words "kill jews"? I'll tell you what. it's a radical society, feeding on israel's weekness to fight terror, educating to hate from young age and to die for god (they speak in the name of god... damn, cant you see that?). a society that mass produce suicide bombers.
Now - i forgot about Rachel Corrie already. this is how things are in this country. Her death is no diffrent from any other death. I have a friend that was an activist of a peace movement, untill a palestinain murderer chased his girlfriend and when he caught her he slauthered her. Did you hear that on the news? guess not. Well, i think it's obvious this friend of mine is no longer a peace activist. on the contrary. Death does not see whether you are kind, a peace activist, girl or a boy. and death here is in the form of a human (or, supposed to be human - i cannot see the humanity in killing 17 year old girls at the line for a disquothec) suicide palestinian bomber.
So, When you will see hate burning in the eyes of your enemy, eating what's left of his heart as i've seen, when you see that all the religiuos leaders preach to die for god because then you will go to heaven and have 70 virgins all for yourself, no matter that you killed 70 other innocent people along the way, when you see the palestinian leaders that do not lead nobody - all are just gangs of street terrorists that sometimes "obey" the so called "leader" and sometimes not, when you see how israel restrain it's solidiers, then you'll be able to talk in this forum.
People all over the world cannot understand. It's not cause they're stupid. It's because the media does not display a balanced coverege. Last month, a picture from the bus suicide bombing was printed on a newspaper in england. the response was great. at last you see some flesh, some blood. Sometimes i think it's not just the palestinians politicians who's blood thirsty, it's europe and the rest of the world. If the internet was flooded with pro-israel articles and pictures of blood and dead bodies, torn fingers, ears, legs - then the picture would have been diffrent.
I wish i could make my point on this site, but it's so difficult to show the truth to one that would not listen, and it's so hard to talk about some issue when the whole perception is twisted by the media. i suggest you come here and stay a while with a nice jewish family to learn a bit more and beyond your TV screen and the newspaper undoubted truths.
I am not surprised of her death. I am surprised that my government let them in at the first place. If i would interfere with the slightest military or governmental issue in the US - i will be deported before ill even look back. THIS what could save her from dying, and yes- i blame the israeli government for not taking more drastic measures to end the conflict as we had come to the conclusion that peace will not prevail here. One of the measures would be, probably, to deport all the peace activists, that, not intentionaly, only cause war and more conflicts.
Let me ask you this -
Why don't all the "Peace activists" don't block in their body a suicide bomber from exploding? They stay in the myths of the palestinians neighbourhoods - why don't they educate and talk young boys about why peace is important? why won't they prevent sending suicide bombers?
Let me tell you something - It taked 2 sides to make peace.
A dead israeli girl or boy looks very similar to a dead palestinian girl or a boy. So why are all the reactions to deaths on each side are diffrent? Is it because we are supposed to die quietly while we ignore they are coming to kill us? Funny. I think the jewish people did it once and it didn't really work.
So when peace activists will earn their title, i'll care more about them, and think not only about deporting them as fast as possible before they'll cause some more trouble.
Why don't all the "Peace activists" don't block in their body a suicide bomber from exploding? They stay in the myths of the palestinians neighbourhoods - why don't they educate and talk young boys about why peace is important? why won't they prevent sending suicide bombers?
Let me tell you something - It taked 2 sides to make peace.
A dead israeli girl or boy looks very similar to a dead palestinian girl or a boy. So why are all the reactions to deaths on each side are diffrent? Is it because we are supposed to die quietly while we ignore they are coming to kill us? Funny. I think the jewish people did it once and it didn't really work.
So when peace activists will earn their title, i'll care more about them, and think not only about deporting them as fast as possible before they'll cause some more trouble.
Assaf., I am completely on your side.
Those peace activists have no right obstructing the glorious Israeli army on its' way of righteous destruction and murder through Palestine.
I especially appreciated your comment about the US troops in Vietnam. When you invade a country and its' people shoot back in self-defence, of course you must shoot back at them for defending their homes!!! Just because YOU are the invader gives them no right to fight back! That makes them terrorists!
And I agree with your criticisms about comparing our perfect Israel to the Nazi hordes! The motherfuckers wewren't even Zionists! Only Zionists have a right to kill innocents, oy, how can anybody not know that?!!!
Like you, I seethe with fury at those peace activists who dare to criticise our nazi- sorry, I meant to say Zionist! (sometimes they are so similar you know, only smart chosen people like us know the REAL difference!)- policies.
I wish I had a bulldozer with me too, I know how you feel.
Anyways, good luck with your campaign to defend the human rights abuses of our benevolent Zionist leaders!
See you at the Senate!
-A Concerned Zionist
Those peace activists have no right obstructing the glorious Israeli army on its' way of righteous destruction and murder through Palestine.
I especially appreciated your comment about the US troops in Vietnam. When you invade a country and its' people shoot back in self-defence, of course you must shoot back at them for defending their homes!!! Just because YOU are the invader gives them no right to fight back! That makes them terrorists!
And I agree with your criticisms about comparing our perfect Israel to the Nazi hordes! The motherfuckers wewren't even Zionists! Only Zionists have a right to kill innocents, oy, how can anybody not know that?!!!
Like you, I seethe with fury at those peace activists who dare to criticise our nazi- sorry, I meant to say Zionist! (sometimes they are so similar you know, only smart chosen people like us know the REAL difference!)- policies.
I wish I had a bulldozer with me too, I know how you feel.
Anyways, good luck with your campaign to defend the human rights abuses of our benevolent Zionist leaders!
See you at the Senate!
-A Concerned Zionist
Humour is, indeed, the best medicine. This is a real gem! Congrats!
lay off assaf.
his view points may be less popular of the average fascist and he could use some english tutoring but that does not take away from the legitimate points he'd raised in his argument.
you guys should take off your lenses and look at this conflict from a less biased perspective, thankypu.
his view points may be less popular of the average fascist and he could use some english tutoring but that does not take away from the legitimate points he'd raised in his argument.
you guys should take off your lenses and look at this conflict from a less biased perspective, thankypu.
Oh well, about english tutoring - no thank you my english is perfect considering i'm not a native speaker. I just don't read it all again after i write it - it goes from head to fingers. no checkpoints in the middle.
about Concerned zionist, after reading i few lines i gave up - in my country there's lots of people like you, sometimes so blinded by their hate they cannot and would not listen to reason.
About my point of view - I have a lot to tell. I'm well educated in the matters of the middle east conflict 50 years backward. Concerned zionist - i guess your prespective goes back no more than 3 years, and all you know is from reading your daily newspaper. Well, i don't see why should i find the energy to argue with you. I sugget you hit the local library and read some hollocaust books, see some documentary films and when you'll grow up i'll be more then ready to win an argument with you.
After dealing with the children - a question to the grown-ups - A new peace treatment is on the way. Like Oslo, Camp david ... I don't know if it'll work this time. The HAMAS declared that although israel lifted curfue from the citied in the territories, released some hundreds of prisoners and served humanitarian assistance to those who need it at those cities. In a few days, The hamas and others will probably send some bombers to kill israelis. This would be easy as there is no curfue and the roadblocks are removed. So - please tell me. I ask tou a question. what sould we do now- wait for pepole to die? or , after people will die - little girls, the old lady from across the street, should we ignore it? give me a suggestion - what should we do?! a little note- the US is destroying and killiing by the thousands in Iraq and the more to come. Is this just? of course it is. Why it is? why don't you cry on the death of thousands of iraqis? because you don't see them. They die 30000 km from your nice little couch, and the media is controlled by the army. This war was so ellegant, the only pictures you could see were a nice, brushed solidier carrying a little boy. Oh, how nice. But - where are the burned bodies? where are the dead mother with her little boy wandering around to find help ? where are all those sights? of course, you didn't see them. Like the ostrich - if you cant see it, it's not there. Well, it is. But - the army controlls the media and thus you see what they want you to see. There are no "nice" wars. people die. 18 yr old iraqis die, wether they are solidiers or not it doesn't matter. I've seen war. I've Seen death. ive see those horrifying sights. For god's sake, i growed up into this. Now, after YOUR neighbor, mother, sister will explode tomorrow, will you be so - how to say it- relaxed? so - mediocare in your opinions? Well, not. After the next bombing, the tanks will go back into Rammallah and the army will go back in to stop them. Yes, it is inevitable. So - how can you make peace with people with no central leadership? you cannot. How can you make peace with terrorists? you cannot. What is your solution?
I'll give you mine: separation. Build a wall, between us and them. As they will not cease fire and talk, Israel will decide where and how the wall will be built. After then - mine the whole area, posting guards that will shoot anyone on sight. A border. Sounds ... like a zoo, doesnt it? it sounds like it because it is. Blood thirsty animal you restrain in a cage. When people are not willing to talk and are blinded by hate - such hate that is driven by religion and rage, such hate the cause a yound boy , coming from those places, to look in the eyes of the gorgeos weitress in the bar, smile and press the button, Such hate cannot be restraind or reason with. So - we should lock'em up.
BTW- concerned zionist - i can give you some links to reading material about zionism if you'd like, if only you'll talk like a normal person....
May peace prevail, even within the animals among us
Assaf
about Concerned zionist, after reading i few lines i gave up - in my country there's lots of people like you, sometimes so blinded by their hate they cannot and would not listen to reason.
About my point of view - I have a lot to tell. I'm well educated in the matters of the middle east conflict 50 years backward. Concerned zionist - i guess your prespective goes back no more than 3 years, and all you know is from reading your daily newspaper. Well, i don't see why should i find the energy to argue with you. I sugget you hit the local library and read some hollocaust books, see some documentary films and when you'll grow up i'll be more then ready to win an argument with you.
After dealing with the children - a question to the grown-ups - A new peace treatment is on the way. Like Oslo, Camp david ... I don't know if it'll work this time. The HAMAS declared that although israel lifted curfue from the citied in the territories, released some hundreds of prisoners and served humanitarian assistance to those who need it at those cities. In a few days, The hamas and others will probably send some bombers to kill israelis. This would be easy as there is no curfue and the roadblocks are removed. So - please tell me. I ask tou a question. what sould we do now- wait for pepole to die? or , after people will die - little girls, the old lady from across the street, should we ignore it? give me a suggestion - what should we do?! a little note- the US is destroying and killiing by the thousands in Iraq and the more to come. Is this just? of course it is. Why it is? why don't you cry on the death of thousands of iraqis? because you don't see them. They die 30000 km from your nice little couch, and the media is controlled by the army. This war was so ellegant, the only pictures you could see were a nice, brushed solidier carrying a little boy. Oh, how nice. But - where are the burned bodies? where are the dead mother with her little boy wandering around to find help ? where are all those sights? of course, you didn't see them. Like the ostrich - if you cant see it, it's not there. Well, it is. But - the army controlls the media and thus you see what they want you to see. There are no "nice" wars. people die. 18 yr old iraqis die, wether they are solidiers or not it doesn't matter. I've seen war. I've Seen death. ive see those horrifying sights. For god's sake, i growed up into this. Now, after YOUR neighbor, mother, sister will explode tomorrow, will you be so - how to say it- relaxed? so - mediocare in your opinions? Well, not. After the next bombing, the tanks will go back into Rammallah and the army will go back in to stop them. Yes, it is inevitable. So - how can you make peace with people with no central leadership? you cannot. How can you make peace with terrorists? you cannot. What is your solution?
I'll give you mine: separation. Build a wall, between us and them. As they will not cease fire and talk, Israel will decide where and how the wall will be built. After then - mine the whole area, posting guards that will shoot anyone on sight. A border. Sounds ... like a zoo, doesnt it? it sounds like it because it is. Blood thirsty animal you restrain in a cage. When people are not willing to talk and are blinded by hate - such hate that is driven by religion and rage, such hate the cause a yound boy , coming from those places, to look in the eyes of the gorgeos weitress in the bar, smile and press the button, Such hate cannot be restraind or reason with. So - we should lock'em up.
BTW- concerned zionist - i can give you some links to reading material about zionism if you'd like, if only you'll talk like a normal person....
May peace prevail, even within the animals among us
Assaf
Well done Assaf! I commend you for your statement. I wanted to add a link to an article from Haaretz, a rather liberal newspaper in Israel, as you know.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=300657&contrassID=2&subContrassID=4&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
Further proof that there is no solution to the conflict, for now.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=300657&contrassID=2&subContrassID=4&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
Further proof that there is no solution to the conflict, for now.
Dear Assaf,
Thank you for your comments and constructive criticism. Thank you for not telling the Mossad on me, I truly appreciate that.
Thank you for suggesting some Holocaust books and documentaries for me to see. I also feel that Hitler is to blame for what our tanks are doing to Palestinians in Ramallah. How many Palestinian camp guards were there in Dachau and Auschwitz, anyways? Zero or none? I know it doesn't matter anyhow, a good Zionist can put the blame on any innocent victim, anytime! That's what makes us Zionists, you know. It's a good thing that not every European nation takes advantage of the suufering of their nationals during the Holocaust, though, or there would be a nuclear war by now!
I would love to read some Zionist literature- did Sharon write his version of 'Mein Kampf' yet, or will I have to refer to the original for the source of our Zionist inspiration?
I am intrigued by your 'wall' solution- will it encompass the lands Israel stole in 1967? If you are a real Zionist, I think I know what your answer will be.
As for your me being a 'normal person' comment, you seem to forget that I'm a Zionist. I will forgive you this time, but be more careful in the future or I may bite you.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Thank you for your comments and constructive criticism. Thank you for not telling the Mossad on me, I truly appreciate that.
Thank you for suggesting some Holocaust books and documentaries for me to see. I also feel that Hitler is to blame for what our tanks are doing to Palestinians in Ramallah. How many Palestinian camp guards were there in Dachau and Auschwitz, anyways? Zero or none? I know it doesn't matter anyhow, a good Zionist can put the blame on any innocent victim, anytime! That's what makes us Zionists, you know. It's a good thing that not every European nation takes advantage of the suufering of their nationals during the Holocaust, though, or there would be a nuclear war by now!
I would love to read some Zionist literature- did Sharon write his version of 'Mein Kampf' yet, or will I have to refer to the original for the source of our Zionist inspiration?
I am intrigued by your 'wall' solution- will it encompass the lands Israel stole in 1967? If you are a real Zionist, I think I know what your answer will be.
As for your me being a 'normal person' comment, you seem to forget that I'm a Zionist. I will forgive you this time, but be more careful in the future or I may bite you.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
You israel-hating "anti-zionist" freaks are pathetic.
Why not just come right out and say that you want the islamic extremists to succeed, the jews of israel to be wiped out, and the country flipped outside down?
Why are you such fucking cowards, hiding under the mask of political correctness while you spew your pathetic israel-hating exaggerations?
Why not just come right out and say that you want the islamic extremists to succeed, the jews of israel to be wiped out, and the country flipped outside down?
Why are you such fucking cowards, hiding under the mask of political correctness while you spew your pathetic israel-hating exaggerations?
Calm down, fellow Zionist stormtrooper!
Just call in the Gestapo (so sorry, I meant Mossad!) to get these 'freaks' and give them a true taste of Israeli 'righteousness'!
Just call in the Gestapo (so sorry, I meant Mossad!) to get these 'freaks' and give them a true taste of Israeli 'righteousness'!
Calm down, fellow Zionist stormtrooper!
Just call in the Gestapo (so sorry, I meant Mossad!) to get these 'freaks' and give them a true taste of Israeli 'righteousness'!
Just call in the Gestapo (so sorry, I meant Mossad!) to get these 'freaks' and give them a true taste of Israeli 'righteousness'!
Go on!
it's funny...
You see- you present facts and ask legitimate questions, but there's only a "NAZI" answer...
Listen - you got pretty good english and i see you are familiar with (very) few terms that relate to the hollocaust - but still , how come your answers are so empty? so pathetic? I just cannot see anything beyond these pile of letters and words you are writing... Well, i guess this will be my last post regarding your stupid answers. at least there are some people here i can talk with reason.
BTW - Last evening, as an outcome of israel lifting the curfue 2 palestinians murdered a yound couple in the woods next to Jerusalem, And this morning 3 terrorists from Gaza infiltrated the stream of palestinian workers coming from Gaza, as a gesture to the palestinians, and attacked the border crossing killing 4 israelis. Well - now the curfue is back exactly as i predicted. You can't talk with animals. You must Zoo them.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/301002.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=301039&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
And this is only the beginning.
Hamas, Jihad and other's decalred they will not listen to Abu mazen (mahmud Abas) and Israeli intelligence says that although a list of wanted men was given to the P. Authority, There were no efforts to arrest them and to stop terror. SO - How can we make peace? Next move will be to go in and get who we want. Wait and see.
And you - concerned zionist - i wish you'd come for a month stay here in israel. I'm ready to devote a room in my home for you to learn and see. Learn that you cannot reason with religious fanatics or burning hatred. You can only use force- like building a wall and letting them cook in their own hate.
When you give them gestures, help them , the cynicaly use it against you. Hiding in ambulances, moving explosives in their cars that you have just let in as a part of gestures for the palestinians. I guess they want us to buy some boats and sail to the open sea - leaving all behind. I guess its a situation of US or THEM. I choose - ME. (as you and everybody else will).
Cya after the next israeli will die (soon- after all things are much easier for them now, where all the restriction and curfues are off).
I'd wish someday you'll feel the hand of terror inside your family. It would be so ironic... i would love to gloat at you.
Assaf
it's funny...
You see- you present facts and ask legitimate questions, but there's only a "NAZI" answer...
Listen - you got pretty good english and i see you are familiar with (very) few terms that relate to the hollocaust - but still , how come your answers are so empty? so pathetic? I just cannot see anything beyond these pile of letters and words you are writing... Well, i guess this will be my last post regarding your stupid answers. at least there are some people here i can talk with reason.
BTW - Last evening, as an outcome of israel lifting the curfue 2 palestinians murdered a yound couple in the woods next to Jerusalem, And this morning 3 terrorists from Gaza infiltrated the stream of palestinian workers coming from Gaza, as a gesture to the palestinians, and attacked the border crossing killing 4 israelis. Well - now the curfue is back exactly as i predicted. You can't talk with animals. You must Zoo them.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/301002.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=301039&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
And this is only the beginning.
Hamas, Jihad and other's decalred they will not listen to Abu mazen (mahmud Abas) and Israeli intelligence says that although a list of wanted men was given to the P. Authority, There were no efforts to arrest them and to stop terror. SO - How can we make peace? Next move will be to go in and get who we want. Wait and see.
And you - concerned zionist - i wish you'd come for a month stay here in israel. I'm ready to devote a room in my home for you to learn and see. Learn that you cannot reason with religious fanatics or burning hatred. You can only use force- like building a wall and letting them cook in their own hate.
When you give them gestures, help them , the cynicaly use it against you. Hiding in ambulances, moving explosives in their cars that you have just let in as a part of gestures for the palestinians. I guess they want us to buy some boats and sail to the open sea - leaving all behind. I guess its a situation of US or THEM. I choose - ME. (as you and everybody else will).
Cya after the next israeli will die (soon- after all things are much easier for them now, where all the restriction and curfues are off).
I'd wish someday you'll feel the hand of terror inside your family. It would be so ironic... i would love to gloat at you.
Assaf
Dear Assaf,
Thank you for your wishes for the well being of my family. Once again, I can see you are a good Zionist.
Which terrorists were you referring to by the way, Hamas or the IDF?
I wish you success in your quest to zionize the world and convincing everybody that the Palestinians you and your government victimize are terrorists for daring to resist your ethnic cleansing campaign. These poor soldiers they so insolently killed today at the checkpopint surely didn't mean any harm during their occupation of Palestinian lands- beating up elderly men, shooting at children and bulldozing civilian homes aren't crimes when they are comitted under the star of David. Imagine the world's fury if the victims were Israeli and the perpetrators weren't!
Imagine if the Palestinians put Israelis under curfew for every time one of their children was killed by the IDF or the greedy settlers! Israel would become a prison state!
You must admit dear Assaf, it sure is a good thing we manage to control the American government and manage to squeeze 3 billion dollars out of them each and every year, or our empire would have met the fate of Nazi Germany a long time ago!
But we will live on, and continue to destroy the lives of others! That is the Zionist creed!
Victory is ours!
Heil Sharon!
-A concerned Zionist
Thank you for your wishes for the well being of my family. Once again, I can see you are a good Zionist.
Which terrorists were you referring to by the way, Hamas or the IDF?
I wish you success in your quest to zionize the world and convincing everybody that the Palestinians you and your government victimize are terrorists for daring to resist your ethnic cleansing campaign. These poor soldiers they so insolently killed today at the checkpopint surely didn't mean any harm during their occupation of Palestinian lands- beating up elderly men, shooting at children and bulldozing civilian homes aren't crimes when they are comitted under the star of David. Imagine the world's fury if the victims were Israeli and the perpetrators weren't!
Imagine if the Palestinians put Israelis under curfew for every time one of their children was killed by the IDF or the greedy settlers! Israel would become a prison state!
You must admit dear Assaf, it sure is a good thing we manage to control the American government and manage to squeeze 3 billion dollars out of them each and every year, or our empire would have met the fate of Nazi Germany a long time ago!
But we will live on, and continue to destroy the lives of others! That is the Zionist creed!
Victory is ours!
Heil Sharon!
-A concerned Zionist
concerned zionist go on with your"bed" self
asaf you mentioned that the israeli entity had lifted the curfew for some time and were greeted by the savage palestinians who murdered two israeli civilians.
let me ask you something in all honesty.
Who has anything to lose by acting upon the road map to peace?
who has to evacuate settlements and pull back their troops from a foreign land/? who has most to lose and who has most to gain from the road map to peace?
logistically, the israeli entity will not gain anything but security.
the palestinians on the other hand have their freedom restored by following the road map.
Who will make sure that israeli caualties remain by provoking the Palestinian resistance to retaliate?
Those who have nothing to lose by not taking the steps of the road map.
The tragic deaths of the IOF soldiers rests solely on the knees of your prime minister who will evade peace at all costs even if it means the tragic murder of his electorate.
asaf you mentioned that the israeli entity had lifted the curfew for some time and were greeted by the savage palestinians who murdered two israeli civilians.
let me ask you something in all honesty.
Who has anything to lose by acting upon the road map to peace?
who has to evacuate settlements and pull back their troops from a foreign land/? who has most to lose and who has most to gain from the road map to peace?
logistically, the israeli entity will not gain anything but security.
the palestinians on the other hand have their freedom restored by following the road map.
Who will make sure that israeli caualties remain by provoking the Palestinian resistance to retaliate?
Those who have nothing to lose by not taking the steps of the road map.
The tragic deaths of the IOF soldiers rests solely on the knees of your prime minister who will evade peace at all costs even if it means the tragic murder of his electorate.
Has anyone heard anything further about this tragedy?
Like, I know the Israeli government has stated this was an accident, etc.,. etc., but has the US gone further with it? Has there been any other investigation by unbiased sources?
Anyone know what's happening with this matter now? II'd like an update.
Like, I know the Israeli government has stated this was an accident, etc.,. etc., but has the US gone further with it? Has there been any other investigation by unbiased sources?
Anyone know what's happening with this matter now? II'd like an update.
angie, get your hed out of your ass, and welcome to real world.
Where do you live in Israel.??? Just curious.
After the Moscow theater stand-off, Putin ordered to have the bodies of the Muslim Chechnyan "Shahids" (martyrs) wrapped and buried. The Muslim world issued severe condemnations against this unilateral action. And rightfully so. After all, you must understand Islam's position on the matter.
A courageous Muslim who embarks on a suicidal mission to defend the honor of the Muslim god, Allah (we'll speak more about that as we go further), becomes known in the eyes of the Muslim world community as a 'shahid'. This shahid or martyr will not be rewarded in this world because he will probably be shot to death or blown into bits and therefore his reward, according to Islam, will come in the afterlife. Once he dies for the honor of Islam, he will ascend to heaven where he will be greeted by Mohamed and other great Muslim men of honor. Then Allah will introduce him to his 70 virgins, and a place where he will delight in drink, food, and intercourse. 70 virgins! Women who have never been with other men; Pure and truly dedicated to their new master. Allah, the Muslim god will become the Shahid's personal pimp.
So, what is the problem? Russia's president, Mr. Putin, sent his troops into the theater where the Muslim Chechnyan rebels had taken close to 700 men, women and children hostages. The army stormed the theater and killed most of the terrorists. The few terrorists who survived were apprehended. Mr. Putin took the liberty, despite the growing number of Muslims in his own country, to give the order to bury the fallen rebels after wrapping them in pig skin! Yes, you heard it right, pig skin!
According to teachings of Islam, a Muslim will not enter paradise if he is buried in pig skin. The Muslim god will not be able to retrieve the soul of his beloved shahid if he is wrapped in pig skin. There will be no wives, no food, no drink and no greetings for the poor martyr. Like kryptonite against superman, pig skin limits the power of Allah the 'almost-all-mighty-pimp-god'. Certainly God is not limited by such foolishness ('God redeems the soul of His servants, and all those who take refuge in Him will not be condemned' Psalm 34).
Karl Marx said that religion is the opium of the masses. He was wrong about that. If he would have limited his description to Islam, we wouldn't have been able to agree with him more. Islam is not a religion of the human spirit. The sole thought that heaven is a place where one will delight in such carnal physical pleasures such as having orgiastic intercourse is not only abhorrent, but kills any hope for meaning one may long for in this world. Paradise according to Islam is a physical place somewhere in this universe or another, where the deity needs to give the dead a physical body for them to derive physical pleasure from it.
Judaism, on the other hand, is not opium for the masses. It is an intricate religion. It set the parameters of human behavior for the entire world. Judaism gave birth to Morality and Ethics. The Torah (Bible or Hebrew Scriptures) is a code of Law, for man to be able to develop a real closeness to God; for us to be able to emulate His attributes of kindness and compassion. True spirituality came from Judaism to permeate the face of the earth. Those that desire to seek mundane pleasures, which pursue power and despotism, wish more than anything to rid the world of universal morality, and the hunt to kill the messenger is set in motion. "Kill the Jew and follow my way" is the cry of war of those who abhor the idea of having limits to the physical pleasures of the world. Islam stands out as the ultimate religion in pursuit of physical pleasure. And if you kill enough infidels, your 'almost-all-mighty-pimp-god" will reward you well. That is, as long as those crazy infidels don't wrap you up in pig skin.
A courageous Muslim who embarks on a suicidal mission to defend the honor of the Muslim god, Allah (we'll speak more about that as we go further), becomes known in the eyes of the Muslim world community as a 'shahid'. This shahid or martyr will not be rewarded in this world because he will probably be shot to death or blown into bits and therefore his reward, according to Islam, will come in the afterlife. Once he dies for the honor of Islam, he will ascend to heaven where he will be greeted by Mohamed and other great Muslim men of honor. Then Allah will introduce him to his 70 virgins, and a place where he will delight in drink, food, and intercourse. 70 virgins! Women who have never been with other men; Pure and truly dedicated to their new master. Allah, the Muslim god will become the Shahid's personal pimp.
So, what is the problem? Russia's president, Mr. Putin, sent his troops into the theater where the Muslim Chechnyan rebels had taken close to 700 men, women and children hostages. The army stormed the theater and killed most of the terrorists. The few terrorists who survived were apprehended. Mr. Putin took the liberty, despite the growing number of Muslims in his own country, to give the order to bury the fallen rebels after wrapping them in pig skin! Yes, you heard it right, pig skin!
According to teachings of Islam, a Muslim will not enter paradise if he is buried in pig skin. The Muslim god will not be able to retrieve the soul of his beloved shahid if he is wrapped in pig skin. There will be no wives, no food, no drink and no greetings for the poor martyr. Like kryptonite against superman, pig skin limits the power of Allah the 'almost-all-mighty-pimp-god'. Certainly God is not limited by such foolishness ('God redeems the soul of His servants, and all those who take refuge in Him will not be condemned' Psalm 34).
Karl Marx said that religion is the opium of the masses. He was wrong about that. If he would have limited his description to Islam, we wouldn't have been able to agree with him more. Islam is not a religion of the human spirit. The sole thought that heaven is a place where one will delight in such carnal physical pleasures such as having orgiastic intercourse is not only abhorrent, but kills any hope for meaning one may long for in this world. Paradise according to Islam is a physical place somewhere in this universe or another, where the deity needs to give the dead a physical body for them to derive physical pleasure from it.
Judaism, on the other hand, is not opium for the masses. It is an intricate religion. It set the parameters of human behavior for the entire world. Judaism gave birth to Morality and Ethics. The Torah (Bible or Hebrew Scriptures) is a code of Law, for man to be able to develop a real closeness to God; for us to be able to emulate His attributes of kindness and compassion. True spirituality came from Judaism to permeate the face of the earth. Those that desire to seek mundane pleasures, which pursue power and despotism, wish more than anything to rid the world of universal morality, and the hunt to kill the messenger is set in motion. "Kill the Jew and follow my way" is the cry of war of those who abhor the idea of having limits to the physical pleasures of the world. Islam stands out as the ultimate religion in pursuit of physical pleasure. And if you kill enough infidels, your 'almost-all-mighty-pimp-god" will reward you well. That is, as long as those crazy infidels don't wrap you up in pig skin.
Uri is a proud Zionist, you cannot attack him for being himself you know! Of course he supports bulldozing homes, shooting children, and killing peace activists like Rachel Corrie! HE IS A ZIONIST! AND A DAMN LOYAL ONE, TOO!
Please do not label my friend a 'zionazi'- if he was a Nazi he would be behind bars for preaching racial hatred. Because he is a Zionist, not only he can preach it, but anyone who disagrees with him can quickly be branded an 'antisemite'. Do you think the any neonazi has it this good?
Do not attack my good friend Uri, his relatives are telling George Bush what to do this very moment.
Todd, your pro-israel ranting and raving against Islam is very impressive. Is there an Israeli SS detachment you can join? If Hitler was a Zionist like you, he would really be impressed. I'm afraid you may have to settle for Zionist appraisal like mine instead, but that's OK, Zionism and Nazism aren't THAT far apart! I wish you the best in your racist slander, it's really impressive!
Keep it up, stormtrooper! You will into the Knesset one day (if your'e not in it yet)!
Heil Sharon!
-A concerned Zionist
Please do not label my friend a 'zionazi'- if he was a Nazi he would be behind bars for preaching racial hatred. Because he is a Zionist, not only he can preach it, but anyone who disagrees with him can quickly be branded an 'antisemite'. Do you think the any neonazi has it this good?
Do not attack my good friend Uri, his relatives are telling George Bush what to do this very moment.
Todd, your pro-israel ranting and raving against Islam is very impressive. Is there an Israeli SS detachment you can join? If Hitler was a Zionist like you, he would really be impressed. I'm afraid you may have to settle for Zionist appraisal like mine instead, but that's OK, Zionism and Nazism aren't THAT far apart! I wish you the best in your racist slander, it's really impressive!
Keep it up, stormtrooper! You will into the Knesset one day (if your'e not in it yet)!
Heil Sharon!
-A concerned Zionist
"THIS GIRL WAS PROTECTING A PALESTINIAN HOME WHICH WAS BEING BULLDOZED TO BUILD EVEN MORE ILLEGAL "SETTLEMENTS" "
Liar liar pants on fire. They were tunnels used to smuggle illegal weapons. Can you defend Palestinian terrorists without lies? I don't think so.
Liar liar pants on fire. They were tunnels used to smuggle illegal weapons. Can you defend Palestinian terrorists without lies? I don't think so.
Love your posts. Am still chuckling re the one you had in a few days ago wherein you stated, "I wish I had a bulldozer too" . . . etc.
We need humour in this world, and with respect to this conflict, while it is not funny, keeping one's perspective is essential. Unfortunately that doesn't happen a lot.
Keep up the good work.
Angie
We need humour in this world, and with respect to this conflict, while it is not funny, keeping one's perspective is essential. Unfortunately that doesn't happen a lot.
Keep up the good work.
Angie
There were a lot of similar humorous cartoons published in the 1930s in Germany. Why don't you look them up and have yourself a good chuckle?
I'm glad you're enjoying this, you heartless fuck.
I'm glad you're enjoying this, you heartless fuck.
Just noted the above post wherein the author referred to the Palesetinian peoples as being "subhuman monsters".
What a damn hypocrite! If someone had said that about the Israelis, this board would be unable to keep up with the posts yelling anti-semitic.
So it's okay to hate Palestinians, but it's not all right to hate Isarelis (or Jews if you wish)? And one wonders why there is a conflict in the mid-east. One should wonder no more.
Dear God, what kind of people are we dealing with here?
What a damn hypocrite! If someone had said that about the Israelis, this board would be unable to keep up with the posts yelling anti-semitic.
So it's okay to hate Palestinians, but it's not all right to hate Isarelis (or Jews if you wish)? And one wonders why there is a conflict in the mid-east. One should wonder no more.
Dear God, what kind of people are we dealing with here?
"So it's okay to hate Palestinians, but it's not all right to hate Isarelis (or Jews if you wish)? And one wonders why there is a conflict in the mid-east. One should wonder no more."
There are plenty of people on this board and elsewhere who think it is perfectly okay to hate Israelis (or Jews). So don't give that excuse. The truth is, it's not alright to hate anyone. Hate leads to exactly the kind of situation the Palestinians find themselves in. You can't dance on 9/11 without hate in your heart, and you can't keep hate in your heart and expect freedom to come of it.
"Dear God, what kind of people are we dealing with here?"
You are not dealing with anyone. You are writing on an internet chat board. People like Bush, Powell, and Rice are dealing with people. If you want to find out what kind of people they are dealing with, become a diplomat (or an arms dealer).
There are plenty of people on this board and elsewhere who think it is perfectly okay to hate Israelis (or Jews). So don't give that excuse. The truth is, it's not alright to hate anyone. Hate leads to exactly the kind of situation the Palestinians find themselves in. You can't dance on 9/11 without hate in your heart, and you can't keep hate in your heart and expect freedom to come of it.
"Dear God, what kind of people are we dealing with here?"
You are not dealing with anyone. You are writing on an internet chat board. People like Bush, Powell, and Rice are dealing with people. If you want to find out what kind of people they are dealing with, become a diplomat (or an arms dealer).
Dear Angie,
A response to your question 'Dear God, what kind of people are we dealing with here?' from your last post
'No longer laughing' :
- What kind of people hate all non-israelis and support the destruction of innocent peoples?
- What kind of people are so proud of themselves that they won't admit they are stealing when caught red-handed holding up a bank?
- What kind of people are heartless enough to exploit the tragedy of the deaths of 6 million of their own innocent countrymen?
- What kind of people make every real Jew shudder in disgust, by using his/her religion for their own ungodly and immoral advances?
- What kind of people are running the White House?
- What kind of people speak of human rights while throwing innocent men and women and children off of their lands?
- What kind of people accuse everyione of 'antisemitism' while oppressing and murdering the Palestinians, themselves a semitic peoples?
- What kind of people piss off everyone with a conscience, regardless of ethnicity, religion, or race?
- What kind of people would Hitler recruit into his armies if they weren't Aryans?
Dear Angie, we are not like the ordinary masses that you probably belong to. We believe that we are a chosen people, although most of us can't stand the idea of the Creator, because if He exists, we know what's coming to us on judgement Day. Please don't ask 'what kind of people' we are. We are a very unique group of people. We are impossible to fully ever comprehend.
WE ARE ZIONISTS.
Ein volk, ein Israel, ein fuhrer.
Heil Sharon!
-A concerned Zionist
A response to your question 'Dear God, what kind of people are we dealing with here?' from your last post
'No longer laughing' :
- What kind of people hate all non-israelis and support the destruction of innocent peoples?
- What kind of people are so proud of themselves that they won't admit they are stealing when caught red-handed holding up a bank?
- What kind of people are heartless enough to exploit the tragedy of the deaths of 6 million of their own innocent countrymen?
- What kind of people make every real Jew shudder in disgust, by using his/her religion for their own ungodly and immoral advances?
- What kind of people are running the White House?
- What kind of people speak of human rights while throwing innocent men and women and children off of their lands?
- What kind of people accuse everyione of 'antisemitism' while oppressing and murdering the Palestinians, themselves a semitic peoples?
- What kind of people piss off everyone with a conscience, regardless of ethnicity, religion, or race?
- What kind of people would Hitler recruit into his armies if they weren't Aryans?
Dear Angie, we are not like the ordinary masses that you probably belong to. We believe that we are a chosen people, although most of us can't stand the idea of the Creator, because if He exists, we know what's coming to us on judgement Day. Please don't ask 'what kind of people' we are. We are a very unique group of people. We are impossible to fully ever comprehend.
WE ARE ZIONISTS.
Ein volk, ein Israel, ein fuhrer.
Heil Sharon!
-A concerned Zionist
"So it's okay to hate Palestinians, but it's not all right to hate Isarelis "
If the "palestinians" in question are terrorists or supporters of terrorists then , yes, of course.
What part is confusing you moron?
If the "palestinians" in question are terrorists or supporters of terrorists then , yes, of course.
What part is confusing you moron?
Hell, you people must have someone watching every damn word that is printed on this board (and no doubt elsewhere). You're like a bunch of vultures waiting to attack.
It's all Israel, Israel, Israel. Well, let me tell you something.
There are people dying all over the world. People are being suppressed all over the world. People are having their religions suppressed all over the world. People are being tortured all over the world.
How dare you suggest that the only people suffering in the world today are Israelis? How dare you?
Their homes are not being bulldozed. Their land is not being taken. They don't have to face a damn curfew, and outrageous checkpoints. They don't have to watch as helicopter gun ships drop deadly bombs on their homes and families. They also have the fourth biggest army in the world which is currently engaged in an ongoing slaughter of innocent civilians and a peoples with no army, much less helicopter gun ships.
No one is laughing at the dying. No one. Unless, of course, it's people like you and oithers on this board (like the person who today called the Palestinains "subhuman monsters"). Bet you thought that was funny, didn't you?
"A Concerned Zionist" is pointing out in the only way you people will recognize just how totally outrageous, pointless, and bigoted views such as yours really are.
When his or her comments are accepted in the spirit in which they are written by me and no doubt others with a brain, you're right there waiting to pounce.
Well, listen to this. I shall continue till my dying day to demand justice and freedom for the beseiged Palestinian peoples. And for any other oppressed peoples be they in Palestine, Zimbabwe, South America, India, Pakistan, WHEREVER.
You and your ilk, regardless of showing us how full of hate you are, will not deter me in that regard.
You can come on this board and write your hatred of me and the ideals I stand for, but all you're doing is giving us a reflection on your own narrow views and the hatred you have for everyone else.
I pity you. You must live a most horrid life.
It's all Israel, Israel, Israel. Well, let me tell you something.
There are people dying all over the world. People are being suppressed all over the world. People are having their religions suppressed all over the world. People are being tortured all over the world.
How dare you suggest that the only people suffering in the world today are Israelis? How dare you?
Their homes are not being bulldozed. Their land is not being taken. They don't have to face a damn curfew, and outrageous checkpoints. They don't have to watch as helicopter gun ships drop deadly bombs on their homes and families. They also have the fourth biggest army in the world which is currently engaged in an ongoing slaughter of innocent civilians and a peoples with no army, much less helicopter gun ships.
No one is laughing at the dying. No one. Unless, of course, it's people like you and oithers on this board (like the person who today called the Palestinains "subhuman monsters"). Bet you thought that was funny, didn't you?
"A Concerned Zionist" is pointing out in the only way you people will recognize just how totally outrageous, pointless, and bigoted views such as yours really are.
When his or her comments are accepted in the spirit in which they are written by me and no doubt others with a brain, you're right there waiting to pounce.
Well, listen to this. I shall continue till my dying day to demand justice and freedom for the beseiged Palestinian peoples. And for any other oppressed peoples be they in Palestine, Zimbabwe, South America, India, Pakistan, WHEREVER.
You and your ilk, regardless of showing us how full of hate you are, will not deter me in that regard.
You can come on this board and write your hatred of me and the ideals I stand for, but all you're doing is giving us a reflection on your own narrow views and the hatred you have for everyone else.
I pity you. You must live a most horrid life.
To "a concerned zionist'
You dream of israel dying. It's not going to happen.
Why don't you go join hamas? Post here if you do, so I can go join IDF and handle you.
You dream of israel dying. It's not going to happen.
Why don't you go join hamas? Post here if you do, so I can go join IDF and handle you.
You have just proven my point.
Not nice, my friend. There's too much hate in this world for you and others to be using it on this board
Not nice, my friend. There's too much hate in this world for you and others to be using it on this board
Dear HAMAS ARE SIMPLY SUB-HUMANS, a question that I must ask you. Have you ever considered joining the Aryan Nations? In most cases you would be rejected based on your ethnic background (the fact that you are Jewish only in ethnicity), but your hatred and stupidity is so amazing that maybe they would even accept you! Finding a brick wall such as yourself is extremely rare, even among us Zionists.
So shave that empty ball of yours and put on a swastika armband, soldier, you have a big chance of making it even amongst the fascists! You would have been recruited to serve in the so-called 'Jewish police' if you were in the Warsaw ghetto in a second! Hitler himself would be proud to have you as a collaborator if the old scratch wasn't dead now, you know.
But seriously, friend, give it a shot! You will learn many things about your abilities to make life difficult for others that will surely get you a promotion in the IDF.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
So shave that empty ball of yours and put on a swastika armband, soldier, you have a big chance of making it even amongst the fascists! You would have been recruited to serve in the so-called 'Jewish police' if you were in the Warsaw ghetto in a second! Hitler himself would be proud to have you as a collaborator if the old scratch wasn't dead now, you know.
But seriously, friend, give it a shot! You will learn many things about your abilities to make life difficult for others that will surely get you a promotion in the IDF.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
to the point where they don't see they can get what they want without it.
They needed to negotiate - Arafat blew it once. Now Hamas is trying to blow it up again. They may accuse the other side of not being sincere in negotiating, but if you can keep people from the negotiation table and burn up the roadmap, you can keep power.
And Hamas is all about power.
They needed to negotiate - Arafat blew it once. Now Hamas is trying to blow it up again. They may accuse the other side of not being sincere in negotiating, but if you can keep people from the negotiation table and burn up the roadmap, you can keep power.
And Hamas is all about power.
Dear Hello,
I am extremely proud of you, my friend. I can see that the seeds of humanity that your jewish ancestors so arduously tried to plant have not managed to infiltrate your Zionist mind. I am delighted that you are thinking of joining the IDF. We need all the stormtroopers we can get. Just a few questions to determine your eligibility to join our horde (excuse me, I meant to say the Israeli Armed Forces).
-Have you ever beat up an elderly man?
-Do you kick your children and/or siblings?
-Been in a gang?
-Ever shot anyone (the advantage of being in the IDF is that your targets are usually unarmed civilians who won't shoot back)?
-Are you capable of telling the truth 25% of the time (If not, don't worry, you will be a army great spokesman)?
- Are you willing to spit on your Jewish religious and cultural traditions for a few shekels a week?
- Does the picture of Ariel Sharon cause you to shoot your right arm forward and emit a deafening "SIEG HEIL"?
- How much is 2+2? (Don't worry, that's only a joke, only our senior officers know that!!!)
- Have you ever made forced yourself onto someone else's wife? Your daughter? Your dog? (In the IDF we expect you to be ready to degenerate not only physically and emotionally, but sexually too).
- Can you drive a bulldozer?
- Do words like 'Moses' and 'Ten Commandments' cause you to cringe in fear?
- Are you ready to unquestioningly swallow a Zionist distortion of the Judaic faith?
- Do you hate Christianity and Islam?
- Are you capable of functioning under a great deal of moral stress, or are you prepared to thrust it aside like a true Zionist?
- Are you capable of functioning without narcotic or alcoholic supplements (after doing the things we order you to do, we understand that you and your IDF comrades get a bit boozed up to forget your guilt- we just ask you to be relatively 'sober' on duty, otherwise these stone throwing 9 year olds will have a much better chance of hitting you than they already do).
- Have any of your relatives ever served in the Judenrat or marched through the Warsaw ghetto with the Jewish police?
- Do you believe that the Palestinians are responsible for the Holocaust?
- Do you feel able enough to read the 2 page long IDF field manual? (Don't worry, we don't want to burden you with literary material, we'll have you up and killing in a matter of days)
- Which one of these words describes you the best?
a) Thug
b) Thief
c) Pimp
d) Rapist
e) Child Molester
e) Gangbanger
Please try to complete this survey as quickly as possible and send it to an IDF office in Tel Aviv. If you would like somebody to read this to you or write the answers down for you, you may have to try your luck at the University, most of our recruiting agents didn't finish high school either.
Best of luck to you!!!!
Sincerely,
-A concerned Zionist
I am extremely proud of you, my friend. I can see that the seeds of humanity that your jewish ancestors so arduously tried to plant have not managed to infiltrate your Zionist mind. I am delighted that you are thinking of joining the IDF. We need all the stormtroopers we can get. Just a few questions to determine your eligibility to join our horde (excuse me, I meant to say the Israeli Armed Forces).
-Have you ever beat up an elderly man?
-Do you kick your children and/or siblings?
-Been in a gang?
-Ever shot anyone (the advantage of being in the IDF is that your targets are usually unarmed civilians who won't shoot back)?
-Are you capable of telling the truth 25% of the time (If not, don't worry, you will be a army great spokesman)?
- Are you willing to spit on your Jewish religious and cultural traditions for a few shekels a week?
- Does the picture of Ariel Sharon cause you to shoot your right arm forward and emit a deafening "SIEG HEIL"?
- How much is 2+2? (Don't worry, that's only a joke, only our senior officers know that!!!)
- Have you ever made forced yourself onto someone else's wife? Your daughter? Your dog? (In the IDF we expect you to be ready to degenerate not only physically and emotionally, but sexually too).
- Can you drive a bulldozer?
- Do words like 'Moses' and 'Ten Commandments' cause you to cringe in fear?
- Are you ready to unquestioningly swallow a Zionist distortion of the Judaic faith?
- Do you hate Christianity and Islam?
- Are you capable of functioning under a great deal of moral stress, or are you prepared to thrust it aside like a true Zionist?
- Are you capable of functioning without narcotic or alcoholic supplements (after doing the things we order you to do, we understand that you and your IDF comrades get a bit boozed up to forget your guilt- we just ask you to be relatively 'sober' on duty, otherwise these stone throwing 9 year olds will have a much better chance of hitting you than they already do).
- Have any of your relatives ever served in the Judenrat or marched through the Warsaw ghetto with the Jewish police?
- Do you believe that the Palestinians are responsible for the Holocaust?
- Do you feel able enough to read the 2 page long IDF field manual? (Don't worry, we don't want to burden you with literary material, we'll have you up and killing in a matter of days)
- Which one of these words describes you the best?
a) Thug
b) Thief
c) Pimp
d) Rapist
e) Child Molester
e) Gangbanger
Please try to complete this survey as quickly as possible and send it to an IDF office in Tel Aviv. If you would like somebody to read this to you or write the answers down for you, you may have to try your luck at the University, most of our recruiting agents didn't finish high school either.
Best of luck to you!!!!
Sincerely,
-A concerned Zionist
You make many assumptions about my life.
You also side with "CZ" who uses Nazi terminology to make a point. This is wrong.
You will find yourself on the wrong side of humanity, through lack of understanding or simple hate. Like most people who have walked this path, you will probably discover too late.
As for my life, I am happy that Islamic radicals are not telling me how to live it, or telling me how grateful I should be to live (and die) under their benevolent rule. I suggest you go experience that first hand.
You also side with "CZ" who uses Nazi terminology to make a point. This is wrong.
You will find yourself on the wrong side of humanity, through lack of understanding or simple hate. Like most people who have walked this path, you will probably discover too late.
As for my life, I am happy that Islamic radicals are not telling me how to live it, or telling me how grateful I should be to live (and die) under their benevolent rule. I suggest you go experience that first hand.
You have a very short memory, sir/madam.
You took my comments and turned them around to fit the typical mentality of: the "oh, look! Another one picking on Israel. Must get to my computer and make her pay. We have to get her off the board here. If we pick on her enough, she'll go away" mentality.
Ha, ha, ha. Have I got news for you? Yes, I do, indeed..
The "hate" in my life is directed towards lies, deceit, injustices, and the dispicable tactics used to portray one group of peoples to be oh, so perfect, whilst using equal dispicable tactics to portray another as evil.
I also totally hate green peas and refuse to eat them. I suppose someone out there will have a problem with that line too, hmm?
You're accusing me of presuming to know you (that's another old trick) yet in the post that you wrote PRIOR to mine, you were ready to take me out at dawn and shoot me.
For shame, sir/madam.
I REFUSE TO BELIEVE that the people of Israel have the mentality of those who are crucifying myself and others on this board and elsewhere. I simply refuse to believe it. The alternative would be too horrific to dwell on.
I'm still choking back a giggle (God forbid that I laugh here!) at the idea of me being told what to do/say by Islamic radicals. As if I were surrounded by them when, in reality, I wouldn't know one if I fell over one. Where I live there are no Islamic "radicals" nor Jewish "radicals" for that matter.
There are, however, Jewish fanatics out there. You only have to look at the fringe elements in the Israeli government. (For instance, the pushing and shoving and such interesting goings on during Sharon's speech to the Likud party a few days ago in Jerusalem. But I suppose your TV news would never show that.)
Contrary to your attempt to crucify me before readers of this site, I'm pleased to advise anyone who cares that my life is happy and healthy.
I am not surrounded by hate, and we were taught from childhood that all people are equal regardless of race or religion. It has never been an issue.
A human being is a human being, and any attempt to portray any race as being SUPERIOR to others is totally abhorrent.
You took my comments and turned them around to fit the typical mentality of: the "oh, look! Another one picking on Israel. Must get to my computer and make her pay. We have to get her off the board here. If we pick on her enough, she'll go away" mentality.
Ha, ha, ha. Have I got news for you? Yes, I do, indeed..
The "hate" in my life is directed towards lies, deceit, injustices, and the dispicable tactics used to portray one group of peoples to be oh, so perfect, whilst using equal dispicable tactics to portray another as evil.
I also totally hate green peas and refuse to eat them. I suppose someone out there will have a problem with that line too, hmm?
You're accusing me of presuming to know you (that's another old trick) yet in the post that you wrote PRIOR to mine, you were ready to take me out at dawn and shoot me.
For shame, sir/madam.
I REFUSE TO BELIEVE that the people of Israel have the mentality of those who are crucifying myself and others on this board and elsewhere. I simply refuse to believe it. The alternative would be too horrific to dwell on.
I'm still choking back a giggle (God forbid that I laugh here!) at the idea of me being told what to do/say by Islamic radicals. As if I were surrounded by them when, in reality, I wouldn't know one if I fell over one. Where I live there are no Islamic "radicals" nor Jewish "radicals" for that matter.
There are, however, Jewish fanatics out there. You only have to look at the fringe elements in the Israeli government. (For instance, the pushing and shoving and such interesting goings on during Sharon's speech to the Likud party a few days ago in Jerusalem. But I suppose your TV news would never show that.)
Contrary to your attempt to crucify me before readers of this site, I'm pleased to advise anyone who cares that my life is happy and healthy.
I am not surrounded by hate, and we were taught from childhood that all people are equal regardless of race or religion. It has never been an issue.
A human being is a human being, and any attempt to portray any race as being SUPERIOR to others is totally abhorrent.
So you hate green peas do you? Do you hate them enough to want them wiped off the face of the earth, to throw rocks at the delivery drivers who bring them to your local supermarket, and dance in the street when pea farmers are slaughtered with their families? Because that is the kind of hate we are talking about.
Lucky you who grew up in a tolerant society, not surrounded by terrorist nations who shout publicly for your death, who arm and reward those who kill infidels. You are lucky to live in a society where murderers are locked up, rather than worshiped as heroes. You are lucky that war is a far-away concept which you can debate safely. You can get as angry as you want here, then go watch your TV. If you think your green pea aversion gives you empathy, then you are as misguided as I had guessed, if not more.
Lucky you who grew up in a tolerant society, not surrounded by terrorist nations who shout publicly for your death, who arm and reward those who kill infidels. You are lucky to live in a society where murderers are locked up, rather than worshiped as heroes. You are lucky that war is a far-away concept which you can debate safely. You can get as angry as you want here, then go watch your TV. If you think your green pea aversion gives you empathy, then you are as misguided as I had guessed, if not more.
Please, please, please, STOP. You're killing me. Totally killing me.
A naive little thing like me admitted she hated green peas and, lo, we had a response! An innocent little comment, appropos of nil, and suddenly I get a lecture about wanting all the farmers in the world killed or some such outrage.
I am not aware, however, of any Palestinian taking over the olive groves of Israel, demolishing orange groves Palestinian farmers were nuturing for years, and which were suddenly bulldozed into the ground. (Oooops, there's that nasty little word again "bulldozer").
Are you aware of any Palestinian farmer doing that???
This is purely a rhetorical question. If it happened, it would be on the front page, and the top news story on CNN and other US news stations.
A naive little thing like me admitted she hated green peas and, lo, we had a response! An innocent little comment, appropos of nil, and suddenly I get a lecture about wanting all the farmers in the world killed or some such outrage.
I am not aware, however, of any Palestinian taking over the olive groves of Israel, demolishing orange groves Palestinian farmers were nuturing for years, and which were suddenly bulldozed into the ground. (Oooops, there's that nasty little word again "bulldozer").
Are you aware of any Palestinian farmer doing that???
This is purely a rhetorical question. If it happened, it would be on the front page, and the top news story on CNN and other US news stations.
I wonder what happens to the land and farms of the people killed for being "israeli sympathisers" (with no trial remember).
What do you think?
What do you think?
you're so cute!
I Love you
I Love you
I see i've started a little internet debate.
I'm glad some of you can see the israeli point of view from me and Alex..
hehe... well, i'll write some more when i'll be at home.
Keep an open mind! (and keep writing, it's getting interesting).
I'm glad some of you can see the israeli point of view from me and Alex..
hehe... well, i'll write some more when i'll be at home.
Keep an open mind! (and keep writing, it's getting interesting).
What happens to the lands and farms of people killed for being israeli sympathizers? Probably the same thing that happened to the homes of our Zionist ancestors who were killed for serving in the ghetto police.
-A concerned Zionist
-A concerned Zionist
You started an internet debate?
My friend, this debate has been ongoing it would appear, since time immemorial. You have actually started nothing at all. You're just adding to what is already here.
My friend, this debate has been ongoing it would appear, since time immemorial. You have actually started nothing at all. You're just adding to what is already here.
Concerned Zionist,
An interesting fact you might want to ignore:
There is not one single documented case of a Jew in Nazi occupied territory (Europe and Arab lands) being executed (let alone dragged through the street) by comrades for cooperating with the gestapo.
You are driving home the fact that anti-zionists are more similar to nazis than anyone.
Can you defend Islamic terror without lies? It seems you cannot.
An interesting fact you might want to ignore:
There is not one single documented case of a Jew in Nazi occupied territory (Europe and Arab lands) being executed (let alone dragged through the street) by comrades for cooperating with the gestapo.
You are driving home the fact that anti-zionists are more similar to nazis than anyone.
Can you defend Islamic terror without lies? It seems you cannot.
Please, dear Concerned Zionist, respond. I do so enjoy your contributions to this board.
Oops! Now I'm going to hear it, aren't I? Help!
Oops! Now I'm going to hear it, aren't I? Help!
Dear pants on fire,
Some history you may want to check when you extinguish the flames on your backside ( I'm really curious to know how and why you set your pants on fire, but I understand that you aren't allowed to reveal your IDF initiation rites)
During the second world war, jewish partisans who fought with the nazis also fought in the ghettoes. Their targets were the SS, the Gestapo, and also the traitors who marched through the ghettos with the Nazis, clubbing and beating their own people. These traitors were known as the jewish police ( a role model for dear our IDF). The majority of the Jewish people hated these scumbags (these type of people only are heroes when they wear Israeli uniforms, you know) and DID resist them and the Nazis whenever they could. If you take the time to read books written by Jewish survivors and liar Zionist historians alike about the Warsaw ghetto and other ghettoes in nazi occupied Europe, you will quickly learn that the jewish police were targeted by their countrymen.
An example, Jakob Leibnik, the Jewish police commander who collaborated with the Nazis in the Warsaw ghetto was sprayed with bullets by an underground Jewish organization.
This fact obtained from the Yad Vashem website
http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/about_holocaust/month_in_holocaust/august/august_lexicon/JEWISH_GHETTO_POLICE.html
which I hope you won't accuse of being antisemitic, that would be preposterous even for a Zionist like you. If this happened in Israel or the occupied territories and Jakob was a Palestinian collaborator or an Israeli sergeant and the assasins were Palestinians, you would be crowing 'terrorism' until your lungs turned red, dear Zionist comrade. I would too, of course.
It is hard to defend Islamic terror without lies, unlike defending Zionist terror, which is so obviously necessary and just that any crititcism of it is criminal and must be silenced before it reaches the ears of people who have not yet been bought by people like Greenspan, Wolfowitz, and Sharon.
So keep on fighting, dear fellow Zionist stormtrooper. Don't worry about Islamic terrorist lies, ours are much better and will prevail in time.
Good luck with extinguishing your little smoking problem. Try taking a dip in the Yarkon river but don't drink too much of the water or you may die (in that case I'm sure the Tel Aviv authorities will declare Hamas to be responsible for the overwhelming pollution in the river and lauch a 'retaliatory raid' into the West Bank or Gaza)
Heil Sharon!
-A concerned Zionist
Have you yet put out the flames on your posterior?
-A cocerned Zionist
-A cocerned Zionist
I've been eagerly awaiting a response to your last commentary here to "pants on fire". Wonder why he/she didn't reply? Or someone!
Your spiel re the qualifications for joining the IDF had us virtually hysterical.
Angie
Your spiel re the qualifications for joining the IDF had us virtually hysterical.
Angie
I wish more armies in the world were as morral is IDF.
And i was very proud wearing those uniforms.
About Those Palestinians farmers having their land taken - this , of course, is not right.
My grandfather lived here since the beginning of the last century as a farmer and a son of a family with long history in Israel. He lived with the palestinians, and they worked the land together. The palestinian people and the Jewish (later Israeli) people grew apart more and more till the peak at 1948, the founding of Israel.
I think the people that tore down an old olive tree should be punished no matter if it belonged to a palestinian or Israeli. This of course an act of a fanatic, that without noticing damages the beuty of the land.
But - fanatics always cause damage, on both sides. Yes, I think, really do - that palestinias suffer. Even more then israelis. I also think Palestinians has much more to gain from israelis than israelis from palestinians. Before the intifada, my family was employing 5 palestinians. I guess many, many palestinians lost their jobs since the Intifada. All the above shows, that you must be an Idiot to continue with the violence. If it'd only stop - enough to get a peace treaty, and a palestinian state will be a founded, the economical condition of both countries will go sky high, death and suffer will cease, and maybe even a new age will start. But - Till they will learn they cannot gain nothing with violence, even if it will take 2, 20 or 300 years - they will gain violence back. And for my opinion , there asassinations are just not harsh enough. God damn - the US is dealing with Al-Quaida that is scattered all over the world. We only deal with the Hamas and some others - only in an area as small as israel. The policy, in my opinion, should be that any leader of a organization that uses terror will be a target for asassinatios. They will just pop up their head - and lose it. If it would truly happen, And Rantisi, Yasin and alike will be "shahids" maybe the desperation from an armed resistance will grow so deep that the intifada will stop. I cannot see other solutions - talks or death. peace or bulltes. Reason or Chaos. Heaven or hell. Until both sides will be ready to choose peace, talks.. etc. - forever we will see hell. And let me tell you something- It will not get better. It will only get worse. If a Pediatirician like Rantisi preach to kill children , Who we got to talk with? Rantisi said: "We will teach jewish mothers our blood is not cheap".
Well, untill they will understand that with peace they will get money, food, economical flurishment, like i do i will, they will continue to suffer. Untill the boy will learn that fire is hot and remove his hand from it, he will suffer. It's so simple. you see... but reason is not (the extremists) strong side. They preffer to see their people suffer. As the hamas said - they want Tel-Aviv back. Well, let them have it (and i don't mean tel aviv).
Assaf
And i was very proud wearing those uniforms.
About Those Palestinians farmers having their land taken - this , of course, is not right.
My grandfather lived here since the beginning of the last century as a farmer and a son of a family with long history in Israel. He lived with the palestinians, and they worked the land together. The palestinian people and the Jewish (later Israeli) people grew apart more and more till the peak at 1948, the founding of Israel.
I think the people that tore down an old olive tree should be punished no matter if it belonged to a palestinian or Israeli. This of course an act of a fanatic, that without noticing damages the beuty of the land.
But - fanatics always cause damage, on both sides. Yes, I think, really do - that palestinias suffer. Even more then israelis. I also think Palestinians has much more to gain from israelis than israelis from palestinians. Before the intifada, my family was employing 5 palestinians. I guess many, many palestinians lost their jobs since the Intifada. All the above shows, that you must be an Idiot to continue with the violence. If it'd only stop - enough to get a peace treaty, and a palestinian state will be a founded, the economical condition of both countries will go sky high, death and suffer will cease, and maybe even a new age will start. But - Till they will learn they cannot gain nothing with violence, even if it will take 2, 20 or 300 years - they will gain violence back. And for my opinion , there asassinations are just not harsh enough. God damn - the US is dealing with Al-Quaida that is scattered all over the world. We only deal with the Hamas and some others - only in an area as small as israel. The policy, in my opinion, should be that any leader of a organization that uses terror will be a target for asassinatios. They will just pop up their head - and lose it. If it would truly happen, And Rantisi, Yasin and alike will be "shahids" maybe the desperation from an armed resistance will grow so deep that the intifada will stop. I cannot see other solutions - talks or death. peace or bulltes. Reason or Chaos. Heaven or hell. Until both sides will be ready to choose peace, talks.. etc. - forever we will see hell. And let me tell you something- It will not get better. It will only get worse. If a Pediatirician like Rantisi preach to kill children , Who we got to talk with? Rantisi said: "We will teach jewish mothers our blood is not cheap".
Well, untill they will understand that with peace they will get money, food, economical flurishment, like i do i will, they will continue to suffer. Untill the boy will learn that fire is hot and remove his hand from it, he will suffer. It's so simple. you see... but reason is not (the extremists) strong side. They preffer to see their people suffer. As the hamas said - they want Tel-Aviv back. Well, let them have it (and i don't mean tel aviv).
Assaf
So are you (or were you) a member of the IDF?
I agree with your view, Asaf. When the Palestinians recognize that they are privileged to be living under Istraeli occupation, when then learn that having one's home destroyed, one's children mocked, and one's country taken by someone who speaks Hebrew is not only an honour but an obligation, when they will stop resisting against worse conditions than those that caused the students in Tianamen square to take to the streets in Beijing, THEN THERE WILL BE PEACE.
When the boy takes his hand off the stove, then he will stop suffering. Unless of course, an IDF sergeant tied his hand to the stove and then turned it on to 'punish' him for having have dared to resist the illegal occupation of his homeland. When the boy learns that the Israelis are there to stay in Gaza and he will never be free nor does he have a right to demand the same rights that every Israeli and Westerner takes for granted, THEN THERE WILL BE PEACE.
By the way, Assaf, I hear you too were in the IDF. Did you get promoted to sturmbanfuhrer before you left?
Did they buy you a bulldozer as a farewell present?
Heil Sharon!
-A concerned Zionist
When the boy takes his hand off the stove, then he will stop suffering. Unless of course, an IDF sergeant tied his hand to the stove and then turned it on to 'punish' him for having have dared to resist the illegal occupation of his homeland. When the boy learns that the Israelis are there to stay in Gaza and he will never be free nor does he have a right to demand the same rights that every Israeli and Westerner takes for granted, THEN THERE WILL BE PEACE.
By the way, Assaf, I hear you too were in the IDF. Did you get promoted to sturmbanfuhrer before you left?
Did they buy you a bulldozer as a farewell present?
Heil Sharon!
-A concerned Zionist
Just a wee thought here.
I read your highly entertaining and very true commentaries, and yet seldom do I see anyone attacking your comments.
Yet when I say anything that goes against the Israel the good, Palestine the bad myth, I'm blasted to hell and back.
What gives? Not that I wish to see you vilified here, and, of course, if you were, I'd jump to your defence immediately.
Incidentally I've passed your comments along to my friends who share my enjoyment. It's better to kill someone with laughter than with hatred and bullets.
I read your highly entertaining and very true commentaries, and yet seldom do I see anyone attacking your comments.
Yet when I say anything that goes against the Israel the good, Palestine the bad myth, I'm blasted to hell and back.
What gives? Not that I wish to see you vilified here, and, of course, if you were, I'd jump to your defence immediately.
Incidentally I've passed your comments along to my friends who share my enjoyment. It's better to kill someone with laughter than with hatred and bullets.
Angie - you debate issues with some sort of an argument
and then we point out somthing we think you have not seen.
"A Concerned Zionist" is writing a joke for comic relief. You dont have to argue with a joke.
"why did the chicken cross the road"
"It wasn't a chicken I tell you!!!"
It is a good sign however that we can all tell what he is saying is a joke by the fact that there is no one that extreme on these boards as far as I know.
well that and he drops phrases like "lying zionist" in his posts all the time.
Interesting is that there are some pretty extreme people on the other side though.
and then we point out somthing we think you have not seen.
"A Concerned Zionist" is writing a joke for comic relief. You dont have to argue with a joke.
"why did the chicken cross the road"
"It wasn't a chicken I tell you!!!"
It is a good sign however that we can all tell what he is saying is a joke by the fact that there is no one that extreme on these boards as far as I know.
well that and he drops phrases like "lying zionist" in his posts all the time.
Interesting is that there are some pretty extreme people on the other side though.
Who is the "we", pray tell?
Actually A Concerned Zionist is saying exactly what I, and others on this board, is saying, and have been saying, all along, bless him or her..
Actually A Concerned Zionist is saying exactly what I, and others on this board, is saying, and have been saying, all along, bless him or her..
FIRST QUIZ
1. The sniper that killed 10 people in Maryland is:
a. A Canadian rock star
b. A Muslim
2. The Chechnians which held 700 hostages in Russia are:
a. South American explorers with a sense for adventure.
b. Muslims
3. The terrorists who blew up a disco in Bali killing 77 civilians were:
a. Cartoon characters from an upcoming Disney feature
b. Muslims
4. 750 Israelis, men, women and children, have been murdered by snipers and homicide-suicide-bombers who were:
a. Little green people from a planet far far away
b. Muslims
5. The 19 men who crashed 3 airliners against the World Trade Center and Pentagon killing more than 3000 people were:
a. Buddhist monks who wanted to stop being 'One with nature'
b. Muslims
6. Out of the 14 current world conflicts 11 involve:
a. Enraged battered housewives vs. Madona wanna-be's.
b. Muslims
7. In Kashmir and Butan, Indians are being slaughtered by:
a. Hindus who can't get Baywatch on cable-tv
b. Muslims
8. The dude who wanted to blow up an airplane with a bomb in his shoe is
a. A disgruntled employee of Payless shoe stores.
b. A Muslim
9. The country which finances Al-Quaeda, the Chechens, the Palestinian Al Aqsa Brigades, The Hezbollah, the Indonesian terrorist cells, home of Bin Laden, and whose leaders have been invited to George Bush's farm in Texas is:
a. The imperialist regime of Costa Rica (those thugs!!)
b. Saudi Arabia - Home of Islam
8. Saudi Arabia's only permitted religion is:
a. Dianetics or Jamaican weed-worship
b. Islam including the old time favorite "Female Circumcision"
9. The United Nations is controlled by countries who believe in:
a. Jews who are into Saddo-masochism and self-condemnations
b. The rule of Islam
10. Israelis who believe in co-existence with fellow Muslim Palestinians are:
a. Intellectuals and free-thinkers that are a step above the rest of us.
b. Those that have pierced way too many body parts and gray matter has begun to leak out.
11. If you answered 'a' to any of the above you are:
a. Not that smart
b. A good Muslim
SECOND QUIZ
1. If an Arab tries to get into a bus
a. Shoot him
2. If an Arab tries to walk into a restaurant
a. Shoot him
3. If an Arab wants to cross the border into Israel
a. Shoot him
4. If Arabs don't want to be shot at
a. Transfer them back into Jordan
1. The sniper that killed 10 people in Maryland is:
a. A Canadian rock star
b. A Muslim
2. The Chechnians which held 700 hostages in Russia are:
a. South American explorers with a sense for adventure.
b. Muslims
3. The terrorists who blew up a disco in Bali killing 77 civilians were:
a. Cartoon characters from an upcoming Disney feature
b. Muslims
4. 750 Israelis, men, women and children, have been murdered by snipers and homicide-suicide-bombers who were:
a. Little green people from a planet far far away
b. Muslims
5. The 19 men who crashed 3 airliners against the World Trade Center and Pentagon killing more than 3000 people were:
a. Buddhist monks who wanted to stop being 'One with nature'
b. Muslims
6. Out of the 14 current world conflicts 11 involve:
a. Enraged battered housewives vs. Madona wanna-be's.
b. Muslims
7. In Kashmir and Butan, Indians are being slaughtered by:
a. Hindus who can't get Baywatch on cable-tv
b. Muslims
8. The dude who wanted to blow up an airplane with a bomb in his shoe is
a. A disgruntled employee of Payless shoe stores.
b. A Muslim
9. The country which finances Al-Quaeda, the Chechens, the Palestinian Al Aqsa Brigades, The Hezbollah, the Indonesian terrorist cells, home of Bin Laden, and whose leaders have been invited to George Bush's farm in Texas is:
a. The imperialist regime of Costa Rica (those thugs!!)
b. Saudi Arabia - Home of Islam
8. Saudi Arabia's only permitted religion is:
a. Dianetics or Jamaican weed-worship
b. Islam including the old time favorite "Female Circumcision"
9. The United Nations is controlled by countries who believe in:
a. Jews who are into Saddo-masochism and self-condemnations
b. The rule of Islam
10. Israelis who believe in co-existence with fellow Muslim Palestinians are:
a. Intellectuals and free-thinkers that are a step above the rest of us.
b. Those that have pierced way too many body parts and gray matter has begun to leak out.
11. If you answered 'a' to any of the above you are:
a. Not that smart
b. A good Muslim
SECOND QUIZ
1. If an Arab tries to get into a bus
a. Shoot him
2. If an Arab tries to walk into a restaurant
a. Shoot him
3. If an Arab wants to cross the border into Israel
a. Shoot him
4. If Arabs don't want to be shot at
a. Transfer them back into Jordan
Where does Begin, Shamir, Sharon fit into this quiz, hmm?
Yes Angie. I was a solidier as i told before. As you know, the draft to the army in israel is compulsary.
every teen that reaches 18, boy or girl must join the army.
To stengthen my theory that flesh is a way of changing public opinion, I'd let pictures do their job and shut Concerned zionist filthy mouth.
every teen that reaches 18, boy or girl must join the army.
To stengthen my theory that flesh is a way of changing public opinion, I'd let pictures do their job and shut Concerned zionist filthy mouth.
Angie
That wasn't my point... for all I know he could actually be you. but the point is his posts are in the form of a joke.
I dont debate with jokes I look at them find them ammusing or not and then look for a person who is actually debating somthing.
Todd
hmmm the second part of that quiz isnt going to make israel many friends Todd.. (ok so islamic terrorism has made the palistinians lots of friends but it doesnt work the same for jews) If you can figure out how to solve the problem without indiscriminatly killing people it would probably work better.
Israel will still need to be able to trade with countries.
That wasn't my point... for all I know he could actually be you. but the point is his posts are in the form of a joke.
I dont debate with jokes I look at them find them ammusing or not and then look for a person who is actually debating somthing.
Todd
hmmm the second part of that quiz isnt going to make israel many friends Todd.. (ok so islamic terrorism has made the palistinians lots of friends but it doesnt work the same for jews) If you can figure out how to solve the problem without indiscriminatly killing people it would probably work better.
Israel will still need to be able to trade with countries.
I think in the bible there is a scripture quoted by one of the prophets,Vengeance is mine.saith the Lord. Funny, I don't see the word Israel anywhere mentioned. It seems that vengeance belongs to a higher power. Soon.
I wish more armies in the world were as morral is IDFAND THE GESTAPO FOR THAT MATTER...
You know, Assaf, I would be a lot happier if you had also included photos of the helicopter gunboat attacks on Tuesday that killed three Palestinian civilians, and injured several others, together with the resulting pictures from the two further attacks today that has left several more dead in Gaza. Then we'd be able to point to those pics and say "another one".
Having said that, I am interested in how the IDF works. Oh, don't panic!. I'm not asking for privileged info!!
From watching Gwynne Dyer's brilliant documentary "War" I knew that when someone reaches the age of 18, he or she was required to join the armed forces.
However, what happens then? At what point are they released from the forces because surely everyone in Israel is not in the army???
In watching "War" as well I learned that soldiers get called back once a year. Is this still the same?
And what happens if, for instance, someone says I don't want to join the forces?
Thank you.
Having said that, I am interested in how the IDF works. Oh, don't panic!. I'm not asking for privileged info!!
From watching Gwynne Dyer's brilliant documentary "War" I knew that when someone reaches the age of 18, he or she was required to join the armed forces.
However, what happens then? At what point are they released from the forces because surely everyone in Israel is not in the army???
In watching "War" as well I learned that soldiers get called back once a year. Is this still the same?
And what happens if, for instance, someone says I don't want to join the forces?
Thank you.
My friend, rest assured. It is not I.
I don't think, however, that you are actually reading what A Concerned Zionist is saying. Oh, you may be reading it, but I somehow feel you do not appreciate where he's coming from. That's my view. Others may not agree. I don't much care, actually, as long as A Concerned Zionist continues to write his excellent spiels.
More later.
I don't think, however, that you are actually reading what A Concerned Zionist is saying. Oh, you may be reading it, but I somehow feel you do not appreciate where he's coming from. That's my view. Others may not agree. I don't much care, actually, as long as A Concerned Zionist continues to write his excellent spiels.
More later.
CZ - just bothered reading you post - and the only farewell present i got was a turtle and a certificate of excellance :P
Now i'm just a fuhrer. BTW - I agree with your view about the cycle - that till the Army won't leave they will not stop resisting , but if we'll leave we'll get hundreds of bombers which we cannot tolerate. IDF intelligence catches 90-95% of the "to be" suicide bombers. If we'll leave... all hell will break loose. so - The better alternative is to try to destroy terror and then leave. After all, the palestinians can talk about destroying terror but they'll never will - it will cause civil war. So we'll just do the work for them. And yes- innocents died, dies and will die. Of both sides of couse. It's the way of war, you know...
The only thing you have to inderstand is the huge amounts of restraint and patience israel takes, or sharon takes, when he see the pictures above and do not retaliate as all free nations in the world, especially the US (that started a damn world tour of war) , by destroying terror. After all - we could kill Araft millions of times by now, Yasin, Rantisi, Abdalla (hizbulla leader). but we do not.
I, personally, support a little less patient view about terror and i think terror should be destroyed by force - by destroting it's leaders and supplies. Do you think Terror in Gaza could last without help from egypt? yes, the same egypt we have a peace treaty with. How ironic. With this kind of peace - who needs enemies?
BTW - Rachel was from time to time very close to the underground tunnels in which they are smuggling rockets, guns, ammo, money and prostitutes. Why didn't she act againts this act of war? because israeli don't need protection - they can die, there's a plenty of them. But the 1.5 million people in Gaza are in desperate need of weapons. I wonder what if they had mass destructions weapons..
BTW - conflicts amongst themselves are settled very often by the same weapons. "Thou shalt not kill" - guess they've lost it somewhere.
Now i'm just a fuhrer. BTW - I agree with your view about the cycle - that till the Army won't leave they will not stop resisting , but if we'll leave we'll get hundreds of bombers which we cannot tolerate. IDF intelligence catches 90-95% of the "to be" suicide bombers. If we'll leave... all hell will break loose. so - The better alternative is to try to destroy terror and then leave. After all, the palestinians can talk about destroying terror but they'll never will - it will cause civil war. So we'll just do the work for them. And yes- innocents died, dies and will die. Of both sides of couse. It's the way of war, you know...
The only thing you have to inderstand is the huge amounts of restraint and patience israel takes, or sharon takes, when he see the pictures above and do not retaliate as all free nations in the world, especially the US (that started a damn world tour of war) , by destroying terror. After all - we could kill Araft millions of times by now, Yasin, Rantisi, Abdalla (hizbulla leader). but we do not.
I, personally, support a little less patient view about terror and i think terror should be destroyed by force - by destroting it's leaders and supplies. Do you think Terror in Gaza could last without help from egypt? yes, the same egypt we have a peace treaty with. How ironic. With this kind of peace - who needs enemies?
BTW - Rachel was from time to time very close to the underground tunnels in which they are smuggling rockets, guns, ammo, money and prostitutes. Why didn't she act againts this act of war? because israeli don't need protection - they can die, there's a plenty of them. But the 1.5 million people in Gaza are in desperate need of weapons. I wonder what if they had mass destructions weapons..
BTW - conflicts amongst themselves are settled very often by the same weapons. "Thou shalt not kill" - guess they've lost it somewhere.
CZ - just bothered reading you post - and the only farewell present i got was a turtle and a certificate of excellance :P
Now i'm just a fuhrer. BTW - I agree with your view about the cycle - that till the Army won't leave they will not stop resisting , but if we'll leave we'll get hundreds of bombers which we cannot tolerate. IDF intelligence catches 90-95% of the "to be" suicide bombers. If we'll leave... all hell will break loose. so - The better alternative is to try to destroy terror and then leave. After all, the palestinians can talk about destroying terror but they'll never will - it will cause civil war. So we'll just do the work for them. And yes- innocents died, dies and will die. Of both sides of couse. It's the way of war, you know...
The only thing you have to inderstand is the huge amounts of restraint and patience israel takes, or sharon takes, when he see the pictures above and do not retaliate as all free nations in the world, especially the US (that started a damn world tour of war) , by destroying terror. After all - we could kill Araft millions of times by now, Yasin, Rantisi, Abdalla (hizbulla leader). but we do not.
I, personally, support a little less patient view about terror and i think terror should be destroyed by force - by destroting it's leaders and supplies. Do you think Terror in Gaza could last without help from egypt? yes, the same egypt we have a peace treaty with. How ironic. With this kind of peace - who needs enemies?
BTW - Rachel was from time to time very close to the underground tunnels in which they are smuggling rockets, guns, ammo, money and prostitutes. Why didn't she act againts this act of war? because israeli don't need protection - they can die, there's a plenty of them. But the 1.5 million people in Gaza are in desperate need of weapons. I wonder what if they had mass destructions weapons..
BTW - conflicts amongst themselves are settled very often by the same weapons. "Thou shalt not kill" - guess they've lost it somewhere.
Now i'm just a fuhrer. BTW - I agree with your view about the cycle - that till the Army won't leave they will not stop resisting , but if we'll leave we'll get hundreds of bombers which we cannot tolerate. IDF intelligence catches 90-95% of the "to be" suicide bombers. If we'll leave... all hell will break loose. so - The better alternative is to try to destroy terror and then leave. After all, the palestinians can talk about destroying terror but they'll never will - it will cause civil war. So we'll just do the work for them. And yes- innocents died, dies and will die. Of both sides of couse. It's the way of war, you know...
The only thing you have to inderstand is the huge amounts of restraint and patience israel takes, or sharon takes, when he see the pictures above and do not retaliate as all free nations in the world, especially the US (that started a damn world tour of war) , by destroying terror. After all - we could kill Araft millions of times by now, Yasin, Rantisi, Abdalla (hizbulla leader). but we do not.
I, personally, support a little less patient view about terror and i think terror should be destroyed by force - by destroting it's leaders and supplies. Do you think Terror in Gaza could last without help from egypt? yes, the same egypt we have a peace treaty with. How ironic. With this kind of peace - who needs enemies?
BTW - Rachel was from time to time very close to the underground tunnels in which they are smuggling rockets, guns, ammo, money and prostitutes. Why didn't she act againts this act of war? because israeli don't need protection - they can die, there's a plenty of them. But the 1.5 million people in Gaza are in desperate need of weapons. I wonder what if they had mass destructions weapons..
BTW - conflicts amongst themselves are settled very often by the same weapons. "Thou shalt not kill" - guess they've lost it somewhere.
assaf, these prostitutes are smuggled into Israel to work in the sex slave industry.
an industry that is acknowledged and condoned by the politicians of Israel.
should rachel, and other activists work to free the imprisoned foreign slaves from the hand of the Zionist pimps?
an industry that is acknowledged and condoned by the politicians of Israel.
should rachel, and other activists work to free the imprisoned foreign slaves from the hand of the Zionist pimps?
Hehe Brian. you make me laugh.
"Vengence is mine". Well i guess it's written in the new testimony... :)))
Why you ask? Let's look- who's taking vengence at Al-Quida? Well, Sure. leave it for god. For now, let's just stand here at the line to hell.
Enough ? i can give you 100 chapters from the bible in which god orders israel to take vengence.
so what? It happened 5000 years ago. I'm secular. I do believe in values the bible gave us, not more.
Angie- I was released when i was 21. everyone serves 3 (long....) years . Now i study at the university, but still i get called from time to time. At average reserve solidier (like myself) serves one month a year (!) at the army. It's fun - especialy if it's during final exams. Working the whole semester and - boom - there it goes down the drain. :) damn...
Luckily i got an order to report for duty right after my last exam. wanna join in ? We got girls at the front line like no other army in the world. we got women pilots and at commando units. i just met a girl who's a medical assistant at "Aiosh" Division. :P
"Vengence is mine". Well i guess it's written in the new testimony... :)))
Why you ask? Let's look- who's taking vengence at Al-Quida? Well, Sure. leave it for god. For now, let's just stand here at the line to hell.
Enough ? i can give you 100 chapters from the bible in which god orders israel to take vengence.
so what? It happened 5000 years ago. I'm secular. I do believe in values the bible gave us, not more.
Angie- I was released when i was 21. everyone serves 3 (long....) years . Now i study at the university, but still i get called from time to time. At average reserve solidier (like myself) serves one month a year (!) at the army. It's fun - especialy if it's during final exams. Working the whole semester and - boom - there it goes down the drain. :) damn...
Luckily i got an order to report for duty right after my last exam. wanna join in ? We got girls at the front line like no other army in the world. we got women pilots and at commando units. i just met a girl who's a medical assistant at "Aiosh" Division. :P
Hehe Brian. It's funny... .
"Vengence is mine". Well i guess it's written in the new testimony... :)))
Why you ask? Let's look- who's taking vengence at Al-Quida? Well, Sure. leave it for god. For now, let's just stand here at the line to hell.
Enough ? i can give you 100 chapters from the bible in which god orders israel to take vengence.
so what? It happened 5000 years ago. I'm secular. I do believe in values the bible gave us, not more. I do not believe in vengence, but i do believe that to those who send 18 yr old boys to be martyrs, in the name of Allah, and 70 virigns Muhammd the prophet will supply in heaven (sex industry someone said?) after the holy death (along with 20 other innocent and hundreds of wounded and crippled) - those people have no place upon this earth. Not with me, at least. Maybe your values are different than mine.
Personaly, i believe rapists, murderers and other subhuman scum should share the same fate. Not death, of course, after all life do belong to god. But imprisonment. Forever. As we cannot imprison those leaders of terror- assassination is the alternative. The only fear is that the worm will grow another head or worse - that it will live without it.
Angie- I was released when i was 21. everyone serves at least 3 (long....) years. Girls do 2 years. Now i study at the university, but still i get called from time to time. At average reserve solidier (like myself) serves one month a year (!) at the army. It's fun - especialy if it's during final exams. Working the whole semester and - boom - there it goes down the drain. :) damn... and as we say in the army - "kol hazain".
Luckily i got an order to report for duty right after my last exam. wanna join in ? We got girls at the front line like no other army in the world. we got women pilots and at commando units. i just met a girl who's a medic at "Aiosh" Division. :P
"Vengence is mine". Well i guess it's written in the new testimony... :)))
Why you ask? Let's look- who's taking vengence at Al-Quida? Well, Sure. leave it for god. For now, let's just stand here at the line to hell.
Enough ? i can give you 100 chapters from the bible in which god orders israel to take vengence.
so what? It happened 5000 years ago. I'm secular. I do believe in values the bible gave us, not more. I do not believe in vengence, but i do believe that to those who send 18 yr old boys to be martyrs, in the name of Allah, and 70 virigns Muhammd the prophet will supply in heaven (sex industry someone said?) after the holy death (along with 20 other innocent and hundreds of wounded and crippled) - those people have no place upon this earth. Not with me, at least. Maybe your values are different than mine.
Personaly, i believe rapists, murderers and other subhuman scum should share the same fate. Not death, of course, after all life do belong to god. But imprisonment. Forever. As we cannot imprison those leaders of terror- assassination is the alternative. The only fear is that the worm will grow another head or worse - that it will live without it.
Angie- I was released when i was 21. everyone serves at least 3 (long....) years. Girls do 2 years. Now i study at the university, but still i get called from time to time. At average reserve solidier (like myself) serves one month a year (!) at the army. It's fun - especialy if it's during final exams. Working the whole semester and - boom - there it goes down the drain. :) damn... and as we say in the army - "kol hazain".
Luckily i got an order to report for duty right after my last exam. wanna join in ? We got girls at the front line like no other army in the world. we got women pilots and at commando units. i just met a girl who's a medic at "Aiosh" Division. :P
Moses' 10 commandments are very clear in sayi-
thou shall NOT kill.
The reason is that we humans are imperfect by nature.
We cannot judge the other person because we are not in his shoes.
If we could it we would be G-d, but we are NOT and that is fortunate.
If I was G-d, I would throw all of you to hell, but judgement is mine says the Lord, not OURs, and you better keep that in mind when you are sent to assasinate the next Palestinian MAN!
thou shall NOT kill.
The reason is that we humans are imperfect by nature.
We cannot judge the other person because we are not in his shoes.
If we could it we would be G-d, but we are NOT and that is fortunate.
If I was G-d, I would throw all of you to hell, but judgement is mine says the Lord, not OURs, and you better keep that in mind when you are sent to assasinate the next Palestinian MAN!
alex, are you a settler?
AM I A SETTLER??
No, and I do not see Jews living in its ancient land of Yesha ( West Bank and Gaza) as being settlers. However, if I were to move to Israel today, I would most likely live in a "settlement" cuz its expensive to live in a big city ie.. Tel Aviv, I have a friend who lives in Tapuah, (in the West Bank) and although he carries around a submachine gun UZI, he said its perfectly safe and beautiful to live in the Land, our Land, the Land of Israel
No, and I do not see Jews living in its ancient land of Yesha ( West Bank and Gaza) as being settlers. However, if I were to move to Israel today, I would most likely live in a "settlement" cuz its expensive to live in a big city ie.. Tel Aviv, I have a friend who lives in Tapuah, (in the West Bank) and although he carries around a submachine gun UZI, he said its perfectly safe and beautiful to live in the Land, our Land, the Land of Israel
You have never been to the land, yet you claim it is yours.
The Palestinians who have yet to travel out side of it donnot have the same claim to their land???
The Palestinians who have yet to travel out side of it donnot have the same claim to their land???
Although I have never been to Israel, it is still my homeland because I am a Jew and as everyone knows, before the region was called Palestine, it was called Eretz Israel. My ancestors were kicked out of there 2000 years ago, but never forgot their connection to the land. I will be the first person in my family to go to Israel. As far as the Palestinian homeland goes, 75% of British Palestinine is what is known today as Jordan. 80% percent of the citizens of Jordan are Palestinian. So I will one day go to Jordan, check out all the touristy areas, such as Aqaba, Petra, and Amman. But that will have to wait.
Dear Zionists,
A quiz we should all quickly be able to complete.
1. What is the only country in the Middle East that has been allowed to violate UN resolution after UN resolution since 1967?
2. What is the only country in the world which receives a paycheck of 3 billion US dollars a year to suppress a civilian guerrilla movement fighting for it's homeland?
3. What is the only country which exploits the Holocaust for its' own political purposes?
4. Which country runs America?
5. Name a country who's leader is an infamous war criminal and tells president Bush how to conduct his foreign policy.
6. Name the MIddle East country with the highest amount of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons.
Come on, Todd, and every other proud Zionist and fervent Muslim hater you, know the answer, SAY IT LOUD AND SAY IT PROUD!
********************** ISRAEL!!!!*************************
NEVER BE ASHAMED OF BEING A ZIONIST!
Nobody else in the WORLD has as much influence and power as we do! We are the leaders of the world, we can kill, rape, and destroy in impunity!
Don't bow down to the pressure exerted by ignorant human rights advocates, morals, or religion! Anyone who opposes us is antisemitic! Even other Jews!!!
Be proud of your Zionism!
NOT EVEN HITLER GOT AS FAR AS WE DID!!!!
This is an inspiration article written to all Zionists who have been tempted to cross over to the side of humanity. Don't worry, brothers, hold on to your ways and we will prevail in the end!
Don't let people like Angie get to you with their preachings of humanity and common sense!
They're just jealous their hearts aren't as cold and Zionist as ours!
Humanity NO!
Morality NO!
Islam NO!
Christianity NO!
Judaism NO!
Zionism YES!!!
Victory is ours!
Ein reich, ein volk, ein fuhrer!
Heil Ariel Sharon!
-A concerned Zionist
A quiz we should all quickly be able to complete.
1. What is the only country in the Middle East that has been allowed to violate UN resolution after UN resolution since 1967?
2. What is the only country in the world which receives a paycheck of 3 billion US dollars a year to suppress a civilian guerrilla movement fighting for it's homeland?
3. What is the only country which exploits the Holocaust for its' own political purposes?
4. Which country runs America?
5. Name a country who's leader is an infamous war criminal and tells president Bush how to conduct his foreign policy.
6. Name the MIddle East country with the highest amount of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons.
Come on, Todd, and every other proud Zionist and fervent Muslim hater you, know the answer, SAY IT LOUD AND SAY IT PROUD!
********************** ISRAEL!!!!*************************
NEVER BE ASHAMED OF BEING A ZIONIST!
Nobody else in the WORLD has as much influence and power as we do! We are the leaders of the world, we can kill, rape, and destroy in impunity!
Don't bow down to the pressure exerted by ignorant human rights advocates, morals, or religion! Anyone who opposes us is antisemitic! Even other Jews!!!
Be proud of your Zionism!
NOT EVEN HITLER GOT AS FAR AS WE DID!!!!
This is an inspiration article written to all Zionists who have been tempted to cross over to the side of humanity. Don't worry, brothers, hold on to your ways and we will prevail in the end!
Don't let people like Angie get to you with their preachings of humanity and common sense!
They're just jealous their hearts aren't as cold and Zionist as ours!
Humanity NO!
Morality NO!
Islam NO!
Christianity NO!
Judaism NO!
Zionism YES!!!
Victory is ours!
Ein reich, ein volk, ein fuhrer!
Heil Ariel Sharon!
-A concerned Zionist
The above poster should just go fucking kill himself. Fuck him and his ant-semitic shit. Israel doesn't "run america."
It's pathetic that you fucking anti-semitic pieces of shit feel that you need to take zionism and demonize it to the absurdity as the asshole above.
May your mother be raped and murdered by the islamic terrorists you seem to love so much. Fuck you.
It's pathetic that you fucking anti-semitic pieces of shit feel that you need to take zionism and demonize it to the absurdity as the asshole above.
May your mother be raped and murdered by the islamic terrorists you seem to love so much. Fuck you.
Dear Concerned Zionist,
I loved your above commentary How the truth hurts, For instance, FU. Savage, he is. Even dragging your family into the mix. Not nice at all.
Don't let anyone deter you from your wonderful task, and I look forward to your next spiel.
I don't suppose you're a fellow Aquarius, are you? Just wondered. We can be pretty damn funny ourselves on occasion.
Good luck to you.
Angie
I loved your above commentary How the truth hurts, For instance, FU. Savage, he is. Even dragging your family into the mix. Not nice at all.
Don't let anyone deter you from your wonderful task, and I look forward to your next spiel.
I don't suppose you're a fellow Aquarius, are you? Just wondered. We can be pretty damn funny ourselves on occasion.
Good luck to you.
Angie
Angie, you do realize you are siding with someone who quotes Hitler, right?
Just want to make sure we're all clear on that.
Just want to make sure we're all clear on that.
Dear FU,
I am not trying to demonize my Zionist ideology. How can it be possible to demonize something that must have been evidently planned in hell?
Of course Israel doesn't run America. America runs itself, with our Zionist instruction of course. Otherwise, the Americans would have bombed the shit out of us for keeping WMD's and killing its' citizens like Rachel Corrie, as well as sending its' soldiers to die in places like Iraq.
Thank you for your best wishes regarding my mother. I can tell that you are a true Zionist. Have you considered enrolling in the IDF or running in the Knesset? We need a lot of fascists like you in there.
Just be careful with your sexual overtures, Ariel Sharon may take it personally and try pumping you like he pumps the American Foreign policy. At least get a condom, for your own safety, OK?
I have never heard of a poster killing itself before, but if it does so, I will let you know. If you want me to kill myself, I am sorry but I will have to disappoint you. The Zionist movement will never die- we have gotten used to every brand of rat poison ever produced (eg morality, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, humanity justice, etc).
I don't love Islamic terrorists. We all know that only countries like Israel and America (when Israel says it's OK) are allowed to commit terrorism.
P.S. Please don't try to 'fuck me', dear FU. There are a lot of other men with your type of orientation, but I regret to inform you that I am not one of them.
Heil Sharon!
-A cocerned Zionist
I am not trying to demonize my Zionist ideology. How can it be possible to demonize something that must have been evidently planned in hell?
Of course Israel doesn't run America. America runs itself, with our Zionist instruction of course. Otherwise, the Americans would have bombed the shit out of us for keeping WMD's and killing its' citizens like Rachel Corrie, as well as sending its' soldiers to die in places like Iraq.
Thank you for your best wishes regarding my mother. I can tell that you are a true Zionist. Have you considered enrolling in the IDF or running in the Knesset? We need a lot of fascists like you in there.
Just be careful with your sexual overtures, Ariel Sharon may take it personally and try pumping you like he pumps the American Foreign policy. At least get a condom, for your own safety, OK?
I have never heard of a poster killing itself before, but if it does so, I will let you know. If you want me to kill myself, I am sorry but I will have to disappoint you. The Zionist movement will never die- we have gotten used to every brand of rat poison ever produced (eg morality, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, humanity justice, etc).
I don't love Islamic terrorists. We all know that only countries like Israel and America (when Israel says it's OK) are allowed to commit terrorism.
P.S. Please don't try to 'fuck me', dear FU. There are a lot of other men with your type of orientation, but I regret to inform you that I am not one of them.
Heil Sharon!
-A cocerned Zionist
According to Ha'aretz and others Israel is following along in the terror of Hitler as it ethnically cleanses the palestinians from their homeland. Surely that sounds familiar even to you, hmm?
Dear laugh at the dying,
I am sorry if quoting Hitler offends you. I just think that quoting the Jerusalem Post or Ariel Sharon would be a bit too extreme, even for this site. I quote Hitler because he's the closest thing there is to dedicated Zionists today.
Heil Sharon!
-A cocerned Zionist
I am sorry if quoting Hitler offends you. I just think that quoting the Jerusalem Post or Ariel Sharon would be a bit too extreme, even for this site. I quote Hitler because he's the closest thing there is to dedicated Zionists today.
Heil Sharon!
-A cocerned Zionist
There are other threads on this board where you are needed, you know.
"I am sorry if quoting Hitler offends you."
Quoting HItler offends me, but obviously does not offend you.
Tell you what. Hitler has to his score 6 million provable cases of wanton murder. Not counting killing opposing soldiers, freedom fighters, and innocent civilians in the cross-fire; 6 million people systematically put in specifically-built death factories. This was over a 5-10 year period. Israel has existed over 50. You show me just 1 million in Israeli mass graves, and you can make all the Hitler references you want. Although, for your Hitler talk to have any meaning outside the absurd, one would think an extrapolation of 5 times more death would be appropriate.
Until then, your words have no bearing on reality.
Did you further know that even the most moderate Arab press occassionally (no doubt unintentionally, no editorial review process is perfect) reprints news items from 1930s Nazi publications?
Now, isn't that strange?
Quoting HItler offends me, but obviously does not offend you.
Tell you what. Hitler has to his score 6 million provable cases of wanton murder. Not counting killing opposing soldiers, freedom fighters, and innocent civilians in the cross-fire; 6 million people systematically put in specifically-built death factories. This was over a 5-10 year period. Israel has existed over 50. You show me just 1 million in Israeli mass graves, and you can make all the Hitler references you want. Although, for your Hitler talk to have any meaning outside the absurd, one would think an extrapolation of 5 times more death would be appropriate.
Until then, your words have no bearing on reality.
Did you further know that even the most moderate Arab press occassionally (no doubt unintentionally, no editorial review process is perfect) reprints news items from 1930s Nazi publications?
Now, isn't that strange?
to be close to hitler I suggest the most important traits are
a leader who does not plan on having elections
Racist laws preferably anti jew, desire for global domination etc etc.. there are closer countries to this than Israel.... Infact probably most countries leaders are closer than Israel's leaders.
a leader who does not plan on having elections
Racist laws preferably anti jew, desire for global domination etc etc.. there are closer countries to this than Israel.... Infact probably most countries leaders are closer than Israel's leaders.
To accuse poor Israel of racial discrimination or imperialist ambitions of domination is so absurd that it should be a crime!
Of course, Israel is never guilty of racism. The fact that Arab children in Israeli schools are segregated from their Jewish classmates can't be called racism, because Jews aren't victims. The fact that Palestinians can't sell their produce but must but Israeli goods isn't racism, it's just one of these one-sided economic systems. The IDF demolishes Palestinian homes in such a loving manner that most Israelis can only jealously wish for the same to happen to them. Palestinians, but never Israelis are lovingly put under curfews, and subjected to house demolitions, beatings, checkpoints, and torture that no Israeli is ever lucky enough to receive from his/her government. Israel does not practice discrimination, but only kind put firm favoritism towards non-Zionist peoples (when some Jewish groups try to interfere they get the same thing). If you want to know more about Israeli kindness towards others, just check out Amnesty International!
Israel has no imperialist ambitions, the occupation of West Bank and Gaza in 1967 and the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 were just friendly tourism tours for the boys in the IDF. The locals were unfriendly, so they had to be killed. The invasion of Lebanon ONLY killed 100,000 people, unlike these dastardly suicide bombers who killed OVER SEVERAL HUNDRED Israelis in the past few years!!!
Israel is probably the LEAST imperialist nation in the world! Just look at these Canadians, Angolans and Costa Ricans, you can tell immediately they're out to conquer the world!
In fact, unlike all these goys out there, Israel is perfect!
Heil Sharon!
-A concerned Zionist
Of course, Israel is never guilty of racism. The fact that Arab children in Israeli schools are segregated from their Jewish classmates can't be called racism, because Jews aren't victims. The fact that Palestinians can't sell their produce but must but Israeli goods isn't racism, it's just one of these one-sided economic systems. The IDF demolishes Palestinian homes in such a loving manner that most Israelis can only jealously wish for the same to happen to them. Palestinians, but never Israelis are lovingly put under curfews, and subjected to house demolitions, beatings, checkpoints, and torture that no Israeli is ever lucky enough to receive from his/her government. Israel does not practice discrimination, but only kind put firm favoritism towards non-Zionist peoples (when some Jewish groups try to interfere they get the same thing). If you want to know more about Israeli kindness towards others, just check out Amnesty International!
Israel has no imperialist ambitions, the occupation of West Bank and Gaza in 1967 and the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 were just friendly tourism tours for the boys in the IDF. The locals were unfriendly, so they had to be killed. The invasion of Lebanon ONLY killed 100,000 people, unlike these dastardly suicide bombers who killed OVER SEVERAL HUNDRED Israelis in the past few years!!!
Israel is probably the LEAST imperialist nation in the world! Just look at these Canadians, Angolans and Costa Ricans, you can tell immediately they're out to conquer the world!
In fact, unlike all these goys out there, Israel is perfect!
Heil Sharon!
-A concerned Zionist
I just have a simple question. How can I get a hold of this film? Apparantly, it is not available any longer for download.
Thanks,
Russ Green
Thanks,
Russ Green
How can I get a copy of this film, which can no longer be downloaded? Thank you.
Oh, fun one, where hast thou gone?
Whilst this thread flits on and off the board with confusing frequency, I'm wondering (begging) if you'd consider appearing elsewhere here with your wit and wisdom?
I mean, dear sir, must I pop over to the Jerusalem Indymedia to find you? Or - gasp - sigh - elsewhere? Oh, well, if I must , I must!
Whilst this thread flits on and off the board with confusing frequency, I'm wondering (begging) if you'd consider appearing elsewhere here with your wit and wisdom?
I mean, dear sir, must I pop over to the Jerusalem Indymedia to find you? Or - gasp - sigh - elsewhere? Oh, well, if I must , I must!
Dear Anti-Zionist Angie,
I stand here still, straight and proud like the Zionist soldier I am, ready to defend our sacred Israeli propaganda against all opposition.
I wonder where my dear friends Assaf and Scottie and other of my fellow stormtroopers have gone.
Thank you for being so concerned, thank you, I still am here. Do you know where dear Assaf and Scottie the other Zionists are? They didn't seem to like me very much but of course that is just a clever ruse on their side. Mud sticks together, and so do us Zionists. But I look forward to conversing again with my half- brained Zionist brethren. I hope they didn't do anything stupid like reverting to the ancient Judaic practices of mercy, love and other rot like that.
Perhaps it is time to move on to another discussion board, this one seems empty. If nothing happens here and you move on to another discussion thread of indymedia, please let me know.
So I can defend the noble Zionazi beliefs from vicious anti-zionist humanity oriented people like you, of course.
Take care, I look forward to 'locking horns' with you again.
Sincerely (and you know how hard it is for us Zionists to be sincere),
A concerned Zionist
I stand here still, straight and proud like the Zionist soldier I am, ready to defend our sacred Israeli propaganda against all opposition.
I wonder where my dear friends Assaf and Scottie and other of my fellow stormtroopers have gone.
Thank you for being so concerned, thank you, I still am here. Do you know where dear Assaf and Scottie the other Zionists are? They didn't seem to like me very much but of course that is just a clever ruse on their side. Mud sticks together, and so do us Zionists. But I look forward to conversing again with my half- brained Zionist brethren. I hope they didn't do anything stupid like reverting to the ancient Judaic practices of mercy, love and other rot like that.
Perhaps it is time to move on to another discussion board, this one seems empty. If nothing happens here and you move on to another discussion thread of indymedia, please let me know.
So I can defend the noble Zionazi beliefs from vicious anti-zionist humanity oriented people like you, of course.
Take care, I look forward to 'locking horns' with you again.
Sincerely (and you know how hard it is for us Zionists to be sincere),
A concerned Zionist
Dear "Concerned Zionist",
It is with relief that I see your note above!
Your friends - opps "dear friends" -- Scottie et al are scattered about the various threads here, as per the norm, and whereas I haven't seen anything from Assaf, I bet he's out there waiting for you to land on the board here. Try any thread with "Israel" in same, and you'll find all of them doing their woeful bit..
Seriously, it's been pretty tame here without you!
Angie (still grinning!)
It is with relief that I see your note above!
Your friends - opps "dear friends" -- Scottie et al are scattered about the various threads here, as per the norm, and whereas I haven't seen anything from Assaf, I bet he's out there waiting for you to land on the board here. Try any thread with "Israel" in same, and you'll find all of them doing their woeful bit..
Seriously, it's been pretty tame here without you!
Angie (still grinning!)
berkeley5000
Sorry? You've lost me. Am I supposed to crack a code or something? Curious, indeed!
Hi Angie,
Your anti-zionist friends are acting up again, trying to criticize the poor homicidal Israelis on
http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/04/8494_comment.php#117644
I am putting on my star of david helmet and going to battle with the humanist heathen and to defend my fellow zionazi brethren. Hope you enter the battle as well, although I am afraid you aren't going to be cheering for Ariel Sharon.
I hope to see you there, anyways!
- A concerned Zionist
Your anti-zionist friends are acting up again, trying to criticize the poor homicidal Israelis on
http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/04/8494_comment.php#117644
I am putting on my star of david helmet and going to battle with the humanist heathen and to defend my fellow zionazi brethren. Hope you enter the battle as well, although I am afraid you aren't going to be cheering for Ariel Sharon.
I hope to see you there, anyways!
- A concerned Zionist
Hello "Concerned Zionist"!
Was just thinking it's time to check back to some of your "earlier works" for enlightenment, and here you are, preparing to head into battle for the cause, and more importantly pausing to tell your pal same!.
What an honourable Concerned Zionist you are! So dilligent, so determined to show us non-zionists how wrong we are! And doing it so PLEASANTLY!
Opps! Another burst of laughter here.
And, of course, I appreciate you passing along your engaging memo to Sharon. Do you think if he keeps hitting his head against the wall long enough --- nah! After all, his fanatics and followers (if there's a difference) affectionately call him "The Bulldozer". (Meanwhile, Uri Avnery calls him a lot more!)
You, being a "Concerned Zioinist" would understand that, as I remember with merriment your great line to Assaf (who wasn't amused) "I wish I had a bulldozer too! I know how you feel"
.
I thought I noted something on the Board here with respect to dear ole Ariel. (Must check that out!)
Meanwhile on the various threads here dealing with "THE CONFLICT', your pal and admirer, Angie, has been beaten up and down, called some marvellous names such as "an evil piece of shit" (I'm going to have to wash my mouth out with soap), and that was one of the better ones. They want to have me "rot in hell", and all the other wonderful things you are no doubt familiar with.
So during all of this in the past week I would revert to your various works (I've copied them all to disk) and laugh 'til I cried.
Having a "Concerned Zioinist" for a pal is just about the most marvellous thing!!
So you carry on, "Oh, Fun One" , and we'll chat again! Unless, of course, I encounter a brick wall or a bulldozer!
Thanks for remembering me, dear "Concerned Zionist"
Was just thinking it's time to check back to some of your "earlier works" for enlightenment, and here you are, preparing to head into battle for the cause, and more importantly pausing to tell your pal same!.
What an honourable Concerned Zionist you are! So dilligent, so determined to show us non-zionists how wrong we are! And doing it so PLEASANTLY!
Opps! Another burst of laughter here.
And, of course, I appreciate you passing along your engaging memo to Sharon. Do you think if he keeps hitting his head against the wall long enough --- nah! After all, his fanatics and followers (if there's a difference) affectionately call him "The Bulldozer". (Meanwhile, Uri Avnery calls him a lot more!)
You, being a "Concerned Zioinist" would understand that, as I remember with merriment your great line to Assaf (who wasn't amused) "I wish I had a bulldozer too! I know how you feel"
.
I thought I noted something on the Board here with respect to dear ole Ariel. (Must check that out!)
Meanwhile on the various threads here dealing with "THE CONFLICT', your pal and admirer, Angie, has been beaten up and down, called some marvellous names such as "an evil piece of shit" (I'm going to have to wash my mouth out with soap), and that was one of the better ones. They want to have me "rot in hell", and all the other wonderful things you are no doubt familiar with.
So during all of this in the past week I would revert to your various works (I've copied them all to disk) and laugh 'til I cried.
Having a "Concerned Zioinist" for a pal is just about the most marvellous thing!!
So you carry on, "Oh, Fun One" , and we'll chat again! Unless, of course, I encounter a brick wall or a bulldozer!
Thanks for remembering me, dear "Concerned Zionist"
this forum is not about personal assaults being thrown at you and you battling them
Dear Angie,
Please tell me what other threads and their URL's you are now using when engaged in conversations with my fellow Zionist stormtroopers
I would apologize to you for their behavior, but we Zionists have a hard enough time alone thinking like human beings, so speaking and acting like normal people is understandably impossible for creatures like us. I hope you understand, behaving humanely is not one of the key tenets of the Zionist ideology.
Don't take the insults that they throw at you too seriously, they are one of the only ways we Zionists find it possible to communicate when we run out of helicopters and bulldozers.
Personally I am surprised that so many them are literate and are capable of spelling, even such words.
But once again please (or I'll shoot!!!) notify me where my fellow stormtroopers are now giving you a hard time.
They seem to be in dire need of my comradeship once again.
- A concerned Zionist
Please tell me what other threads and their URL's you are now using when engaged in conversations with my fellow Zionist stormtroopers
I would apologize to you for their behavior, but we Zionists have a hard enough time alone thinking like human beings, so speaking and acting like normal people is understandably impossible for creatures like us. I hope you understand, behaving humanely is not one of the key tenets of the Zionist ideology.
Don't take the insults that they throw at you too seriously, they are one of the only ways we Zionists find it possible to communicate when we run out of helicopters and bulldozers.
Personally I am surprised that so many them are literate and are capable of spelling, even such words.
But once again please (or I'll shoot!!!) notify me where my fellow stormtroopers are now giving you a hard time.
They seem to be in dire need of my comradeship once again.
- A concerned Zionist
It is when I'm conversing with my Concerned Zioinist, dear sir or madam! It most certainly is.
You survived the "battle" and will live to fight another (as they say, whoever "they" are). And in such a timely fashion too!! Congrats!!
I've been duly reprimanded above by someone (I hope it wasn't an editor, gasp! I would never dream of causing grief here) for telling you of my experiences here this week. After all, you are a "Concerned Zionist", and it was because of that I "unburdened" . Surely anyone could understand that?
I'm here on the SF Indymedia, and some of the threads I' ve been following are:
a) New Flag for truly Democratic Country of Palestine-Israel;
b) Israeli soldiers exonorated in death of Olympia activist
c) Text of Hamas/Islamic Jihad Ceasefire Conditions
d) Haar'etz Antichrist Claims God Talked to Him
d) Hezbollah - Terrorist Group or Political Party
There are others, but you'll find them yourself once you reach any of them.
Thank you for your reassuring, entertaining commentary, and we'll chat again!!
Keep up the good fight whilst I do likewise!!!
Angie
PS Do you mind if I call you "Oh, Fun One"??? "Tis my own wee name for you, and very fitting, is it not???
I've been duly reprimanded above by someone (I hope it wasn't an editor, gasp! I would never dream of causing grief here) for telling you of my experiences here this week. After all, you are a "Concerned Zionist", and it was because of that I "unburdened" . Surely anyone could understand that?
I'm here on the SF Indymedia, and some of the threads I' ve been following are:
a) New Flag for truly Democratic Country of Palestine-Israel;
b) Israeli soldiers exonorated in death of Olympia activist
c) Text of Hamas/Islamic Jihad Ceasefire Conditions
d) Haar'etz Antichrist Claims God Talked to Him
d) Hezbollah - Terrorist Group or Political Party
There are others, but you'll find them yourself once you reach any of them.
Thank you for your reassuring, entertaining commentary, and we'll chat again!!
Keep up the good fight whilst I do likewise!!!
Angie
PS Do you mind if I call you "Oh, Fun One"??? "Tis my own wee name for you, and very fitting, is it not???
Zionists are evil- Yes.
Zionists aren't Jews-Yes.
Zionists aren't Jews-Yes.
Dear Angie,
Could you please provide me with the website addresses to these threads you mentioned, so I can get there by clicking? ( I apologize if I sound lazy, but in addition to teaching you humanity oriented heathen about the Holy Zionist cause, I also work a minimum wage summer job to pay for my tuition- so I can zionize the world more efficiently of course)
About your 'Oh, Fun One' request, you may call me what you wish, but please remember that Zionism is no laughing matter!
- A concerned Zionist
Could you please provide me with the website addresses to these threads you mentioned, so I can get there by clicking? ( I apologize if I sound lazy, but in addition to teaching you humanity oriented heathen about the Holy Zionist cause, I also work a minimum wage summer job to pay for my tuition- so I can zionize the world more efficiently of course)
About your 'Oh, Fun One' request, you may call me what you wish, but please remember that Zionism is no laughing matter!
- A concerned Zionist
Dear b.,
Of course Zionists aren't Jews!
The Judaic traditions of mercy, justice and humanity scare the military pants off of us! If we admitted Jews into our Zionist ranks, we would lose our honoured position of being the Nazis of the Middle East! A lot of us may put on skullcaps and read selected passages from the sacred Torah (those of us who can read, anyways), but WE ARE NOT JEWS!
We may tell George Bush and all of our American sypathizers that we are Jews, but we have nothing against lying to get our 3 billion dollar a year allowance from Washington. As Zionists, we don't really have anything against lying, anyways.
That is just another of the many millions of differences between Zionists and Jews. Sheep shouldn't stray near wolf packs, just as Jews and all decent human beings should stay away from our Zionist circles, unless they are ready to spit on their religion and heritage.
To clarify, dear b.,
WE ARE NOT JEWS.
WE ARE ZIONISTS.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Of course Zionists aren't Jews!
The Judaic traditions of mercy, justice and humanity scare the military pants off of us! If we admitted Jews into our Zionist ranks, we would lose our honoured position of being the Nazis of the Middle East! A lot of us may put on skullcaps and read selected passages from the sacred Torah (those of us who can read, anyways), but WE ARE NOT JEWS!
We may tell George Bush and all of our American sypathizers that we are Jews, but we have nothing against lying to get our 3 billion dollar a year allowance from Washington. As Zionists, we don't really have anything against lying, anyways.
That is just another of the many millions of differences between Zionists and Jews. Sheep shouldn't stray near wolf packs, just as Jews and all decent human beings should stay away from our Zionist circles, unless they are ready to spit on their religion and heritage.
To clarify, dear b.,
WE ARE NOT JEWS.
WE ARE ZIONISTS.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
I probably won't be online during the weekend, but look forward to teaching you all about the glories of Zionism again on Monday.
Have a good weekend, y'all!
- A concerned Zionist
Have a good weekend, y'all!
- A concerned Zionist
Actually to me it's more than a laughing matter!! It's outright hysterical. No offence to a "Concerned Zioniist" of course, and I am sure you'll take my comment in the manner meant!
I hope this will send you on your way to all the threads in Indymedia.
Listen carefully, "Oh, Fun One" , and Angie shall tell you ALL.
a) sit at your computer. Turn it on (ooops, sorry!)
b) you are now looking at your screen saver (or your home page, whatever)
c) do a Yahoo search under SF Indymedia"
When it comes up, click it, and you should be staring at a big "Happy 4th of July" greeting, amongst other things.
To your left you will see several categories. The last one is "commentary". Click that. A whole mess of threads will appear. Then you can pick and choose to your heart's content.
Then add it to your "Favourites" and you'll never have to look for it again unless, of course, your computer crashes (giggle). Not that I'd wish that on you, of course!
So I hope that works. If not, I am sure someone else out there will see my wee instruction attempt, come to my aid, and have you up and running in no time.
Good luck,
Angie
I hope this will send you on your way to all the threads in Indymedia.
Listen carefully, "Oh, Fun One" , and Angie shall tell you ALL.
a) sit at your computer. Turn it on (ooops, sorry!)
b) you are now looking at your screen saver (or your home page, whatever)
c) do a Yahoo search under SF Indymedia"
When it comes up, click it, and you should be staring at a big "Happy 4th of July" greeting, amongst other things.
To your left you will see several categories. The last one is "commentary". Click that. A whole mess of threads will appear. Then you can pick and choose to your heart's content.
Then add it to your "Favourites" and you'll never have to look for it again unless, of course, your computer crashes (giggle). Not that I'd wish that on you, of course!
So I hope that works. If not, I am sure someone else out there will see my wee instruction attempt, come to my aid, and have you up and running in no time.
Good luck,
Angie
Some Zionists are Jews. Others are not. By definition, a Zionist is someone who supports Israel. Therefore, the overwhelming majority of Zionists are not Jews, but Christians.
It's fun seeing your comments scattered over other threads here today!
Keep up the good fight!!!1
Keep up the good fight!!!1
How about if someone opposes israel but opposes palestine even more?
If you oppose Israel, me and my Zionist friends will label you an antisemite. If you don't oppose palestine, you will be considered an antisemite too.
No, that's not true at all.
If you have problems with israel, you aren't necessarily an anti-semite, obviously.
If you're some sick freak who goes out of his way to demonize every aspect of israel, make up insane lies about every aspect of zionism, and hold contempt for all jewish people who do not instantly agree with you, chances are you're some sort of anti-semite.
P.S. I want angie and "a concerned zionist" to know that I hate your fucking guts more than anyone on this planet that I have never met.
If you have problems with israel, you aren't necessarily an anti-semite, obviously.
If you're some sick freak who goes out of his way to demonize every aspect of israel, make up insane lies about every aspect of zionism, and hold contempt for all jewish people who do not instantly agree with you, chances are you're some sort of anti-semite.
P.S. I want angie and "a concerned zionist" to know that I hate your fucking guts more than anyone on this planet that I have never met.
"Blah, blah, blah" -- "real contempt for all Jewish people" blah, blah, blah.
This sort of comment is what I expect from you and your pals on this board. You love to drag "all Jewish people" into your little hate-filled, filthy ramblings.
I have met any Jewish people, "No" but I refuse to believe that you represent any of them. I'd be very disappointed were that the case.
My only problem is with the likes of you and others who lash out at decent caring people like myself, Sick of Lies, Concerned Zionist, JA, Brain etc. as if you were doing it on behalf of Jews whereas it's simply your own agenda.
The "hate" you have for myself and "Concerned Zionist" could be put to better use by trying to convince your little terrorist state that killing and lying and ethnic cleansing, and home demolitions, and all the other God-awful things being prepetrated upon the Palestinian peoples is VERY WRONG.
I can hope only that "Concerned Zionist" will continue to do what he does best - let us see how utterly tragic you and your like minded companions on this board really are. I, for one, applaud his entertaining take at this whole sorry mess. I've done so since the beginning, and I will continue to do so.
On a scale of one to ten in issues/causes that are important in my life, you rate below zero.
Get professional help. :"Hate" is an all consuming, all destructive emotion.
This sort of comment is what I expect from you and your pals on this board. You love to drag "all Jewish people" into your little hate-filled, filthy ramblings.
I have met any Jewish people, "No" but I refuse to believe that you represent any of them. I'd be very disappointed were that the case.
My only problem is with the likes of you and others who lash out at decent caring people like myself, Sick of Lies, Concerned Zionist, JA, Brain etc. as if you were doing it on behalf of Jews whereas it's simply your own agenda.
The "hate" you have for myself and "Concerned Zionist" could be put to better use by trying to convince your little terrorist state that killing and lying and ethnic cleansing, and home demolitions, and all the other God-awful things being prepetrated upon the Palestinian peoples is VERY WRONG.
I can hope only that "Concerned Zionist" will continue to do what he does best - let us see how utterly tragic you and your like minded companions on this board really are. I, for one, applaud his entertaining take at this whole sorry mess. I've done so since the beginning, and I will continue to do so.
On a scale of one to ten in issues/causes that are important in my life, you rate below zero.
Get professional help. :"Hate" is an all consuming, all destructive emotion.
I definitely MUST wake up!!!
That should have read "I have not met any jewish people," which, I am sure, is my great loss.
That should have read "I have not met any jewish people," which, I am sure, is my great loss.
" My only problem is with the likes of you and others who lash out at decent caring people like myself, Sick of Lies, Concerned Zionist, JA, Brain etc."
decent caring people like myself KL gehrig LAD etc are happy to know that you arent registered members of the satan worshiping club. However for those of us who are not jews we are see an obligation to not allow badly backed up and totally onesided claims to pass us by. The fact that you done seem to CARE whether you are right or wrong bothers us. (you arent interested in investigating if the information is unreliable and even if it is proven to be you will always ignore the proof).
Those who ae jews might understandably become a little touchy when they find people who are uninvolved in the troubles making excuses for people killing their reletives but becoming self rightious whenever they hear anything about somthing they or their government might have done wrong.
there is usually a patern when you see someone attacking israel (but totally ignoring or excusing any guilt on the other side) and then you see them going back in time and suggesting the jews were involved in their own holocaust and then that they had their protocols of the elders of zion etc etc..
as if you were doing it on behalf of Jews whereas it's simply your own agenda.
- what is his or anyone else here's adgenda?
by trying to convince your little terrorist state that killing and lying and ethnic cleansing, and home demolitions, and all the other God-awful things being prepetrated upon the Palestinian peoples is VERY WRONG.
- why dont you convince the palistinians that what they are doing is wrong? Lets see.. terrorist bombings, inciting racial hatred, lying and "all the other God-awful things being prepetrated" upon the Israelis - and anyone else who might happen to get in the way.
"Get professional help. :"Hate" is an all consuming, all destructive emotion."
- how do you feel about israel Angie? how about sharon?
I suggest you take your own advice and get over it.
decent caring people like myself KL gehrig LAD etc are happy to know that you arent registered members of the satan worshiping club. However for those of us who are not jews we are see an obligation to not allow badly backed up and totally onesided claims to pass us by. The fact that you done seem to CARE whether you are right or wrong bothers us. (you arent interested in investigating if the information is unreliable and even if it is proven to be you will always ignore the proof).
Those who ae jews might understandably become a little touchy when they find people who are uninvolved in the troubles making excuses for people killing their reletives but becoming self rightious whenever they hear anything about somthing they or their government might have done wrong.
there is usually a patern when you see someone attacking israel (but totally ignoring or excusing any guilt on the other side) and then you see them going back in time and suggesting the jews were involved in their own holocaust and then that they had their protocols of the elders of zion etc etc..
as if you were doing it on behalf of Jews whereas it's simply your own agenda.
- what is his or anyone else here's adgenda?
by trying to convince your little terrorist state that killing and lying and ethnic cleansing, and home demolitions, and all the other God-awful things being prepetrated upon the Palestinian peoples is VERY WRONG.
- why dont you convince the palistinians that what they are doing is wrong? Lets see.. terrorist bombings, inciting racial hatred, lying and "all the other God-awful things being prepetrated" upon the Israelis - and anyone else who might happen to get in the way.
"Get professional help. :"Hate" is an all consuming, all destructive emotion."
- how do you feel about israel Angie? how about sharon?
I suggest you take your own advice and get over it.
I didn't realize you were now addressing posts sent out speficially to someone else.
Dear No,
Thank you for neing so honest with your Zionist emotions. Hate is one of the most fundamental aspects of Zionism. Without hate, one could not displace hundreds of thousands of people or bulldoze people alive or shoot at children in the street. I am glad that you hate even your Zionist comrades such as myself, because hate is what got Israel to where it is today. Congratulations!
One does not need to demonize Israel or Zionism, because our imperialist occupation of other peoples' lands is demonic enough with others complaining about how evil it is.
Of course criticism of Israel is not really antisemitism (although me and my pals Sharon, Asper and the rest of the gang while say so to every human rights worker we come across- assuming we don't kill him or her first!), because Israel itself is an affront to every aspect of Judaism. Every one of the Jewish prophets would get sick watching what is done in the name of Judaism today. Its' good that Moses isn't alive today, or the plagues probably wouldn't be befalling on Egypt, but instead every Knesset member would wake up each morning with 5,000 frogs under his pillow. Luckily we Zionists did away with Judaism, or else we would never have gotten to where we are today. The 10 commandments seem to oppose almost evrything we do.
Just watch out for those Jews like Neturei Karta, Jews Against The Occupation, Jews for a Just Peace, and millions of others who continue to live by their religion, and therefore, oppose Zionism. Also be careful of everyone else who has a conscience, because they oppose Zionism too. When all else fails, put them into the same category as the muderers in Hamas (just careful when affiliating them with terrorist groups- don't mistakenly point to the IDF!), misquote everything they say, and if, like Rachel Corrie, they are directly in your way, go ahead and kill them. The ABC and other Zionist run media outlets will find a way to whitewash our crimes.
So please keep on hating, my dear No. it is one of the things that we Zionists know best how to do.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Thank you for neing so honest with your Zionist emotions. Hate is one of the most fundamental aspects of Zionism. Without hate, one could not displace hundreds of thousands of people or bulldoze people alive or shoot at children in the street. I am glad that you hate even your Zionist comrades such as myself, because hate is what got Israel to where it is today. Congratulations!
One does not need to demonize Israel or Zionism, because our imperialist occupation of other peoples' lands is demonic enough with others complaining about how evil it is.
Of course criticism of Israel is not really antisemitism (although me and my pals Sharon, Asper and the rest of the gang while say so to every human rights worker we come across- assuming we don't kill him or her first!), because Israel itself is an affront to every aspect of Judaism. Every one of the Jewish prophets would get sick watching what is done in the name of Judaism today. Its' good that Moses isn't alive today, or the plagues probably wouldn't be befalling on Egypt, but instead every Knesset member would wake up each morning with 5,000 frogs under his pillow. Luckily we Zionists did away with Judaism, or else we would never have gotten to where we are today. The 10 commandments seem to oppose almost evrything we do.
Just watch out for those Jews like Neturei Karta, Jews Against The Occupation, Jews for a Just Peace, and millions of others who continue to live by their religion, and therefore, oppose Zionism. Also be careful of everyone else who has a conscience, because they oppose Zionism too. When all else fails, put them into the same category as the muderers in Hamas (just careful when affiliating them with terrorist groups- don't mistakenly point to the IDF!), misquote everything they say, and if, like Rachel Corrie, they are directly in your way, go ahead and kill them. The ABC and other Zionist run media outlets will find a way to whitewash our crimes.
So please keep on hating, my dear No. it is one of the things that we Zionists know best how to do.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Angie
I didn't realize you were now addressing posts sent out speficially to someone else.
- I will adress anything I want to.despite your attemts to reduce this board to a little social chit chat room.
CZ
"because Israel itself is an affront to every aspect of Judaism. "
- tell that to moses. By the way what does the bible say happened when the moses's people reached israel and started to set up a coutntry?
I didn't realize you were now addressing posts sent out speficially to someone else.
- I will adress anything I want to.despite your attemts to reduce this board to a little social chit chat room.
CZ
"because Israel itself is an affront to every aspect of Judaism. "
- tell that to moses. By the way what does the bible say happened when the moses's people reached israel and started to set up a coutntry?
Some things that Moses has said and why it is hard for us Zionists to really act like Jews.
Moses: Thou shalt not kill
Zionist policy: shooting children, shelling cities, murdering peace activists.
Moses: Thou shalt not steal
Zionist policy: throwing people out of their homes to make room for 'settlements'
- Moses: Thou shalt not lie
Zionist policy: denying that crimes comitted against Palestinians ever occured ( 'there was no massacre or war crimes in Jenin'), and in the rare case when such a thing happens, place the blame on the shoulders of the victims.
The Torah actually states that the Jews lost Israel because they disobeyed God and that they would get it again when the Messiah came.
For some religious Jewish viewpoints about Israel and Zionism, click on:
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/judaism_isnot_zionism.cfm ,
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm
and you will quickly see why us Zionists have a problem with the Jewish religion.
Later,
- A concerned Zionist
Moses: Thou shalt not kill
Zionist policy: shooting children, shelling cities, murdering peace activists.
Moses: Thou shalt not steal
Zionist policy: throwing people out of their homes to make room for 'settlements'
- Moses: Thou shalt not lie
Zionist policy: denying that crimes comitted against Palestinians ever occured ( 'there was no massacre or war crimes in Jenin'), and in the rare case when such a thing happens, place the blame on the shoulders of the victims.
The Torah actually states that the Jews lost Israel because they disobeyed God and that they would get it again when the Messiah came.
For some religious Jewish viewpoints about Israel and Zionism, click on:
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/judaism_isnot_zionism.cfm ,
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm
and you will quickly see why us Zionists have a problem with the Jewish religion.
Later,
- A concerned Zionist
How can you disagree that Israel is an affront to Judaism when you take a good look around you?
where is the middle east, anyways?
I don't quite give a damn what you discuss or otherwise, Scottie; however, when someone like "No", was it (or one of his friends) declares that he hates "Angie and Concerned Zioinis" more than anyone he's never met", it would be asking a lot that I ignore same. (I note Concerned Zioinist addressed him also).
Thus it was, shall we say, surprising when, expecting to hear from "No", there you are! Can I help wondering who is saying what here? No.
I have no inclination or desire to keep you from addressing whatever your little heart desires. That is not my job here. The editors can deal with that aspect of this Board if necessary.
Nor do I have any desire to change this Boad into a social chit-chat room, although certainly since arriving here three or four months ago, I find the atmosphere has gotten a lot friendlier. Certainly I see no reason to yell at someone unless provoked by those who wouldn't know a "chit chat room", a discussion board, or what a debate is.
Run along, Scottie. I want to finish my "Jenin Not Going Quietly into the Night Now or Ever" before dinner.
Thus it was, shall we say, surprising when, expecting to hear from "No", there you are! Can I help wondering who is saying what here? No.
I have no inclination or desire to keep you from addressing whatever your little heart desires. That is not my job here. The editors can deal with that aspect of this Board if necessary.
Nor do I have any desire to change this Boad into a social chit-chat room, although certainly since arriving here three or four months ago, I find the atmosphere has gotten a lot friendlier. Certainly I see no reason to yell at someone unless provoked by those who wouldn't know a "chit chat room", a discussion board, or what a debate is.
Run along, Scottie. I want to finish my "Jenin Not Going Quietly into the Night Now or Ever" before dinner.
concerned Zionist
you jsut show that you are a superficial reader of the bible.
"Moses: Thou shalt not kill
Zionist policy: shooting children, shelling cities, murdering peace activists."
- Israel was not unoccupied when the israelites came. Those local tribes were often defeated in battle.
How many of goliath's tribe are left in israel now?
"Moses: Thou shalt not steal
Zionist policy: throwing people out of their homes to make room for 'settlements'"
-again did the Isrealites specifically moses BUY israel??? I think not.
- Moses: Thou shalt not lie
Zionist policy: denying that crimes comitted against Palestinians ever occured ( 'there was no massacre or war crimes in Jenin'), and in the rare case when such a thing happens, place the blame on the shoulders of the victims.
- lieing is one hell of a difficult sin not to break. however your post qualifies as one of the most extreme versions.
Trust-
How can you disagree that Israel is an affront to Judaism when you take a good look around you?
- If it was an affront to judaism that would not bother me reallly since I am not a jew, however I see no reason why it should be an affront to judeism. neither do the majority of jews.
Angie
"Thus it was, shall we say, surprising when, expecting to hear from "No", there you are! Can I help wondering who is saying what here? No."
- haha haha you know I dont hate you. I am not the hating type.
"Nor do I have any desire to change this Boad into a social chit-chat room, "
I mean off topic points about your day or JA's day- be civil by all means but preferably "on topic"
you jsut show that you are a superficial reader of the bible.
"Moses: Thou shalt not kill
Zionist policy: shooting children, shelling cities, murdering peace activists."
- Israel was not unoccupied when the israelites came. Those local tribes were often defeated in battle.
How many of goliath's tribe are left in israel now?
"Moses: Thou shalt not steal
Zionist policy: throwing people out of their homes to make room for 'settlements'"
-again did the Isrealites specifically moses BUY israel??? I think not.
- Moses: Thou shalt not lie
Zionist policy: denying that crimes comitted against Palestinians ever occured ( 'there was no massacre or war crimes in Jenin'), and in the rare case when such a thing happens, place the blame on the shoulders of the victims.
- lieing is one hell of a difficult sin not to break. however your post qualifies as one of the most extreme versions.
Trust-
How can you disagree that Israel is an affront to Judaism when you take a good look around you?
- If it was an affront to judaism that would not bother me reallly since I am not a jew, however I see no reason why it should be an affront to judeism. neither do the majority of jews.
Angie
"Thus it was, shall we say, surprising when, expecting to hear from "No", there you are! Can I help wondering who is saying what here? No."
- haha haha you know I dont hate you. I am not the hating type.
"Nor do I have any desire to change this Boad into a social chit-chat room, "
I mean off topic points about your day or JA's day- be civil by all means but preferably "on topic"
You are talking to me about "staying on topic". Did I actually read that comment from you?
Hahaha!!!!!
That''s totally rich coming from you or anyone else.. Why don't you take a look around this board, and see just how many people stay on topic or even know what the topic is, hmm?? Or even what the Board is.
If the only thing that were "off topic" on this Board were JA's and my exchanges, wow!!
Afraid that little diversion tactic won't work with me, lad. Not a bit!
Hahaha!!!!!
That''s totally rich coming from you or anyone else.. Why don't you take a look around this board, and see just how many people stay on topic or even know what the topic is, hmm?? Or even what the Board is.
If the only thing that were "off topic" on this Board were JA's and my exchanges, wow!!
Afraid that little diversion tactic won't work with me, lad. Not a bit!
Speaking of not staying on the topic...
Hi Angie!
Well, I spent another beautiful day at the beach! Not as drop dead beautiful as yesterday with the most turquoise blue ocean, and the most clear blue sky, I ever remember seeing, but it was good enough. I went to both Muir and Stinson Beach today (if you want to check that out on a map), spending most of the day at the quieter Muir.
I see that you're holdng down the fort here -- making me feel guilty. I'll have to catch up on the threads before I 'throw down'. Right now, I've been watching this so-so tv movie because it was filmed in S.F.: "Critical Assembly", about some university graduate/doctoral students who build a nuclear bomb. Gee, I wonder if S.F. will be blown to nuclear bits? If you don't hear from me, you'll know what happened!
I'll talk to ya later.
Take care,
JA
Hi Angie!
Well, I spent another beautiful day at the beach! Not as drop dead beautiful as yesterday with the most turquoise blue ocean, and the most clear blue sky, I ever remember seeing, but it was good enough. I went to both Muir and Stinson Beach today (if you want to check that out on a map), spending most of the day at the quieter Muir.
I see that you're holdng down the fort here -- making me feel guilty. I'll have to catch up on the threads before I 'throw down'. Right now, I've been watching this so-so tv movie because it was filmed in S.F.: "Critical Assembly", about some university graduate/doctoral students who build a nuclear bomb. Gee, I wonder if S.F. will be blown to nuclear bits? If you don't hear from me, you'll know what happened!
I'll talk to ya later.
Take care,
JA
Dear JA,
Great to hear from you! Will talk soon! I hope good ole SF doesn't go up in a nuclear cloud! Not whilst thou art there, grin!
Later, my friend.
Great to hear from you! Will talk soon! I hope good ole SF doesn't go up in a nuclear cloud! Not whilst thou art there, grin!
Later, my friend.
Oh, I was listening to more Les Nubians and Buena Vista Social Club at the beach (if you want to vicariously capture the full atmosphere). *Perfect* to completing the experience, along with hangin' out with friends.
(Guess what? The nuke was disarmed just in time. I bet some Zionists, like gehrig, or scottie, or kl, stole it so that they could try to blame the nuking of S.F. on the Arabs.) Haha!
(Guess what? The nuke was disarmed just in time. I bet some Zionists, like gehrig, or scottie, or kl, stole it so that they could try to blame the nuking of S.F. on the Arabs.) Haha!
In his article "Two States", Isreal Shamir DOES NOT agree with dear Uri's vision of two states, etc., etc. etc. In fact, while he admires Uri's tenacity, activism, etc., etc., he feels that his views are OLD!
A troubled Angie
A troubled Angie
It is amusing to read about the musice you listen to whilst on the beach but why won't you exchange emails and entertain one another privately?
As you know, I am a one-stater myself. I think that the compromise, as I have mentioned elsewhere here on sf.indymedia, is the South African solution: Jewish illegal immigrants get to stay, but in a unified, secular, truly democratic Palestine with equal rights for all people regardless of ethnicity, religion or gender--just like Zionist Jews expect and demand anywhere else. I think that relegating roughly as many Palestinians as Jews to some % of 22% of Palestine is an unfair, unjust and immoral Zionist fait accompli. It's almost as unfair as the original UN partition, giving approx., then, 30% of the (mostly European invaders) Jewish population of Palestine approx. 56% of the land! But Uri may feel that any Palestinian national aspirations to a state of their own must be satisfied. Of course, not all Palestinians want a separate state, indeed feeling that it is unfair, and others may feel that that is all they are ever going to get--at best.
Also, I disagreed with Uri that Shrub was going to tell Israel that this time they must negotiate in all seriousness, if not in good faith. U.S. presidents don't push around Zionists--in the U.S. or in Israel. It's Zionists--in the U.S. or Israel--who push around U.S. presidents!! Or as Ariel Sharon said in an Israeli cabinet meeting (I believe to Ehud Barak) during the Jenin, etc., invasion: "Don't worry. We [Jews] control the U.S."
Now, if a non-Jewish American ever said that, they would instantly be labeled and tarred as "anti-Semitic". Fortunately, we can quote Zionists themselves, when we want to point out things that would otherwise be labelled as "anti-Semitic". Anyway, Jeffrey Blanfort has written an article about what happens to U.S. presidents who ever try to stand up--even just a little seriously--to Israel: they are *never* re-elected -- not even Poppa Bush, after he beat the evile Saddam in the first jingoistic, flag-waving, rah-rah-we-beat-a-tiny-little-country-with-a-military-designed-for-the-Soviets, U.S.-Iraqi 'war'. Uri, of course, knows a *LOT* about Israel, but he needs to spend some time in the U.S. to see what the political--and media--atmosphere is like over here with regard to Israel being the #1 focus of U.S. foreign policy. He may not realize that the accepted corporate media debate here in the States about Israel is far far narrower that it is even in Israel--which is not even as open in Israel, as touted: else why would Israel be barring, deporting and, of course, even shooting journalists.
Well, I gotta get back to my friends, conversing, eating and watching tv (the Larry Sanders Show). I was just checking back with ya!
Nighty-night, Angie!
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"=<" : "why won't you exchange emails and entertain one another privately?"
JA: Now, how would we do *that* without exposing our email addresses to all the crazy Zionist threat spammers here?
Also, I disagreed with Uri that Shrub was going to tell Israel that this time they must negotiate in all seriousness, if not in good faith. U.S. presidents don't push around Zionists--in the U.S. or in Israel. It's Zionists--in the U.S. or Israel--who push around U.S. presidents!! Or as Ariel Sharon said in an Israeli cabinet meeting (I believe to Ehud Barak) during the Jenin, etc., invasion: "Don't worry. We [Jews] control the U.S."
Now, if a non-Jewish American ever said that, they would instantly be labeled and tarred as "anti-Semitic". Fortunately, we can quote Zionists themselves, when we want to point out things that would otherwise be labelled as "anti-Semitic". Anyway, Jeffrey Blanfort has written an article about what happens to U.S. presidents who ever try to stand up--even just a little seriously--to Israel: they are *never* re-elected -- not even Poppa Bush, after he beat the evile Saddam in the first jingoistic, flag-waving, rah-rah-we-beat-a-tiny-little-country-with-a-military-designed-for-the-Soviets, U.S.-Iraqi 'war'. Uri, of course, knows a *LOT* about Israel, but he needs to spend some time in the U.S. to see what the political--and media--atmosphere is like over here with regard to Israel being the #1 focus of U.S. foreign policy. He may not realize that the accepted corporate media debate here in the States about Israel is far far narrower that it is even in Israel--which is not even as open in Israel, as touted: else why would Israel be barring, deporting and, of course, even shooting journalists.
Well, I gotta get back to my friends, conversing, eating and watching tv (the Larry Sanders Show). I was just checking back with ya!
Nighty-night, Angie!
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"=<" : "why won't you exchange emails and entertain one another privately?"
JA: Now, how would we do *that* without exposing our email addresses to all the crazy Zionist threat spammers here?
"If the only thing that were "off topic" on this Board were JA's and my exchanges, wow!!"
I would define the topic pretty widely and have no problem with it drifting a bit in order to deal with a tangent but your personal life would probably be somthing that doesnt fit under the topic no matter how wide your definition is.
Besides you have the "as long as other people are doing somthing that is wrong it is ok for me to do it" argument which is ridiculous and yet still permiates your philosophy.
"Afraid that little diversion tactic won't work with me, lad. Not a bit!"
Huh? Im not trying to divert you Im trying to bring you back into the fight.. geezzz your paranoid.
I would define the topic pretty widely and have no problem with it drifting a bit in order to deal with a tangent but your personal life would probably be somthing that doesnt fit under the topic no matter how wide your definition is.
Besides you have the "as long as other people are doing somthing that is wrong it is ok for me to do it" argument which is ridiculous and yet still permiates your philosophy.
"Afraid that little diversion tactic won't work with me, lad. Not a bit!"
Huh? Im not trying to divert you Im trying to bring you back into the fight.. geezzz your paranoid.
scottie: "Huh? Im not trying to divert you Im trying to bring you back into the fight.."
Yo scottie!
How 'bout that Ariel Sharon. Is what he said true?
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Oh, Angie, another Isreali politician (it might have been Barak--I confirmed the quote at least, made on tv, with fmr MK Marsha Friedman) said, "If I were a Palestinian, I would be a terrorist."
Hi, my friend,
I'm tired. I've just got to stay away from Scottie. He's having a draining effect on me. I don't know what he's saying half of the time, and the other half I don't want to know.
Did you know that he's now added "Sharon" to the "royal" we? It's now "Sharon, KL, and myself". I mean, how can I cope with that?? Hell, why would I want to?
Yes, that was Barak. I have the exact quote here on my desk somewhere actually because I remember chuckling about it in a grim sort of way when I first read it.
Oh, don't forget we're back on our peace making role tomorrow in 'Peace Strikes the Middle East, the Sequel". So try to get some sleep, hmm? It's not easy racing about dispensing peace, but someone has to do it!
Goodnight, my friend.
Angie
I'm tired. I've just got to stay away from Scottie. He's having a draining effect on me. I don't know what he's saying half of the time, and the other half I don't want to know.
Did you know that he's now added "Sharon" to the "royal" we? It's now "Sharon, KL, and myself". I mean, how can I cope with that?? Hell, why would I want to?
Yes, that was Barak. I have the exact quote here on my desk somewhere actually because I remember chuckling about it in a grim sort of way when I first read it.
Oh, don't forget we're back on our peace making role tomorrow in 'Peace Strikes the Middle East, the Sequel". So try to get some sleep, hmm? It's not easy racing about dispensing peace, but someone has to do it!
Goodnight, my friend.
Angie
Thanks for confirming that source--Barak--on the quote. I was rather sure it was him, but couldn't quite remember this hour of the night (I don't know *how* you do it over there). But, when Marsha Friedman was giving a speech at the Mill Valley Community Center--a large, *very* nice community center, with a large atrium entrance, lots of exposed (pine?) wood beams, French doors, almost floor-to-ceiling windows, and cathedral ceilings--in Marin County (very affluent, as you may know, and with a large Jewish population), I asked her to confirm it for me. She said that Barak said that on Israeli tv a couple/few years ago. I also politely, respectfully, told her that as my being from a people who have also grievously suffered for centuries, and who have lost many more millions of people in their own holocaust, that *no amount* of suffering entitles one people to take--or even be given--another peoples land without their [the other people's] approval.
Jeffrey Blankfort also spoke at the Mill Valley Community Center. And while he planned on giving--and gave--a very critical, incisive speech about the domestic Zionist lobby and their shared responsibility for the suffering of the Palestinians, and their "5th column" presence in, and infiltration of, the general progressive moment, he was quite pleased with how well-received his speech was to a heavily Jewish audience. I find that when very knowledeable people, like Blankfort, talk straight from the heart and the intellect in a *very* incisive, compelling way, it is hard to deny them. And Blankfort can handle *anybody's* questions/objections. He would have a fieId day with scottie, gehrig, KL!! (Yo gehrig, KL, other local Zionists, why not go try to take Blankfort on sometime--if you're up to it?) I recommended to a Jewish professional, casual, but well-respected older Marin County friend of mine that he might want to go hear Blankfort, without telling my friend what Blankfort was going to talk about (only telling him that Blankfort was Jewish, a very good public speaker, and would be speaking about the Isreali-Palestinian conflict). My friend later told me that he was *very* impressed with Blankfort.
Okay, I'm back to business here on sf.indymedia tomorrow--maybe, after I do some *major* apartment cleaning of my papers and books (the ones that overflow our bookshelves and my "priority reading" ones stacked on the floor!) in the living room and dining room, while my housemates are up at tranquil Tomales Bay for oysters. That's northeast of Point Reyes in Marin County. Two days in a row of beautiful Marin County beaching will be enough to hold me for until August--unless a friend of mine calls me before then. (It's supposed to start to cool back down at the coast tomorrow anyway.)
Well, this documentary about Bob Marley recently ended here on PBS tv; followng that, there was this French short (film) where this little kid caught two people (hets) making love against a tree out in the woods. Ahhh, the French! Other than that, I didn't catch the gist of the film.
Nighty-night (for real), Angie!
(Hopefully, you will have already GONE TO BED!!! Haha!)
Jeffrey Blankfort also spoke at the Mill Valley Community Center. And while he planned on giving--and gave--a very critical, incisive speech about the domestic Zionist lobby and their shared responsibility for the suffering of the Palestinians, and their "5th column" presence in, and infiltration of, the general progressive moment, he was quite pleased with how well-received his speech was to a heavily Jewish audience. I find that when very knowledeable people, like Blankfort, talk straight from the heart and the intellect in a *very* incisive, compelling way, it is hard to deny them. And Blankfort can handle *anybody's* questions/objections. He would have a fieId day with scottie, gehrig, KL!! (Yo gehrig, KL, other local Zionists, why not go try to take Blankfort on sometime--if you're up to it?) I recommended to a Jewish professional, casual, but well-respected older Marin County friend of mine that he might want to go hear Blankfort, without telling my friend what Blankfort was going to talk about (only telling him that Blankfort was Jewish, a very good public speaker, and would be speaking about the Isreali-Palestinian conflict). My friend later told me that he was *very* impressed with Blankfort.
Okay, I'm back to business here on sf.indymedia tomorrow--maybe, after I do some *major* apartment cleaning of my papers and books (the ones that overflow our bookshelves and my "priority reading" ones stacked on the floor!) in the living room and dining room, while my housemates are up at tranquil Tomales Bay for oysters. That's northeast of Point Reyes in Marin County. Two days in a row of beautiful Marin County beaching will be enough to hold me for until August--unless a friend of mine calls me before then. (It's supposed to start to cool back down at the coast tomorrow anyway.)
Well, this documentary about Bob Marley recently ended here on PBS tv; followng that, there was this French short (film) where this little kid caught two people (hets) making love against a tree out in the woods. Ahhh, the French! Other than that, I didn't catch the gist of the film.
Nighty-night (for real), Angie!
(Hopefully, you will have already GONE TO BED!!! Haha!)
Referring back to: Comin' right back at'cha, Angie!
by JA Sunday July 13, 2003 at 12:04 AM:
I don't think that "Jews (singularly) control the U.S.". I just think that *Zionist* Jews *WANT TO* control the U.S. and *THINK* that they singularly do!
by JA Sunday July 13, 2003 at 12:04 AM:
I don't think that "Jews (singularly) control the U.S.". I just think that *Zionist* Jews *WANT TO* control the U.S. and *THINK* that they singularly do!
Actually there are a few variations on that quote by Barak. (Aren't there always??)
One says:
"If I were a Palestinian I'd also join a terror group. I'd go a step further perhaps. Rather than throwing little stones, in desparation I'd hurtle a boulder".
(I like that one, chuckle, chuckle. Picture the scene, can you? "Ooops, my back!" Barak yelps, as he bends to lift a 50 pound boulder. '"Where are those damn bulldozers when we need them"?)
Another variation of the quote has Barak saying:
"If I were a Palestinian and of appropriate age, I'd also join a terrorist organization".
Neither of those is the one I'm looking for, but I can't seem to see my desk top with papers scattered hither and yon, and books and newspapers, read and unread, waiting to be placed elsewhere. My desk top is a constant source of amazement, mystery, and, like, how can one small space hold so much???
Later, my friend,
Angie
One says:
"If I were a Palestinian I'd also join a terror group. I'd go a step further perhaps. Rather than throwing little stones, in desparation I'd hurtle a boulder".
(I like that one, chuckle, chuckle. Picture the scene, can you? "Ooops, my back!" Barak yelps, as he bends to lift a 50 pound boulder. '"Where are those damn bulldozers when we need them"?)
Another variation of the quote has Barak saying:
"If I were a Palestinian and of appropriate age, I'd also join a terrorist organization".
Neither of those is the one I'm looking for, but I can't seem to see my desk top with papers scattered hither and yon, and books and newspapers, read and unread, waiting to be placed elsewhere. My desk top is a constant source of amazement, mystery, and, like, how can one small space hold so much???
Later, my friend,
Angie
Angie: "Neither of those is the one I'm looking for, but I can't seem to see my desk top with papers scattered hither and yon, and books and newspapers, read and unread, waiting to be placed elsewhere. My desk top is a constant source of amazement, mystery, and, like, how can one small space hold so much??? "
JA: *Your* desktop too!? (It's one of the things I have to clean and sort today.) The desktops of great minds are similarly alike!
I once worked in a chemical lab as a technician and I was pleasantly surprised the first (and even occasionally successive) time(s) when I went into the office of one of the senior chemists -- a nonetheless emeritus-looking, thin, venerable, soft-spoken man with a very considered voice and white, dishevelled hair: he reminded me of Linus Pauling. There were papers and notebooks precariously sticking out between the variously shelved and stacked books in (and, of course, on top of) his bookcases, and his desk, like mine at home (with my laptop being the center piece), was a haystack, an 'organized' mess, of papers and notebooks. And like I would have done at home, when he went to give me something specifically useful to some laboratory task of mine, he probed into the thickly strewn leaves of his papers no more than three times, and withdrew exactly what he wanted to give me with a "*here* it is!" Ahhh, a man after my own intellectual heart and intellectual lifestyle!
So, now whenever my two female housemates exclaim, "*Look* at this table!! [The table in the more light and airy dining area often becomes my 'temporary' desk in between company.] *Look* at this mess!" [Other than that, I'm a great 'househusband'! I keep the bathroom clean and orderly, and regularly do my turn at floors and dishes, and windows, as well as shopping, and *of course*, *traditionally*, take out the garbage.] Anyway (after noting other similar and historical people, like Einstein, and duly pointing them out to my housemates), now my humorous response to a housemate's prodding, "*Look* at that mess!", is, "*YYYEAHHH*...! I MUST BE A FFFUCKIN' *GEEENIOUS*, HUH!!? Haha!!"
Have a good day, Angie! :-)
JA: *Your* desktop too!? (It's one of the things I have to clean and sort today.) The desktops of great minds are similarly alike!
I once worked in a chemical lab as a technician and I was pleasantly surprised the first (and even occasionally successive) time(s) when I went into the office of one of the senior chemists -- a nonetheless emeritus-looking, thin, venerable, soft-spoken man with a very considered voice and white, dishevelled hair: he reminded me of Linus Pauling. There were papers and notebooks precariously sticking out between the variously shelved and stacked books in (and, of course, on top of) his bookcases, and his desk, like mine at home (with my laptop being the center piece), was a haystack, an 'organized' mess, of papers and notebooks. And like I would have done at home, when he went to give me something specifically useful to some laboratory task of mine, he probed into the thickly strewn leaves of his papers no more than three times, and withdrew exactly what he wanted to give me with a "*here* it is!" Ahhh, a man after my own intellectual heart and intellectual lifestyle!
So, now whenever my two female housemates exclaim, "*Look* at this table!! [The table in the more light and airy dining area often becomes my 'temporary' desk in between company.] *Look* at this mess!" [Other than that, I'm a great 'househusband'! I keep the bathroom clean and orderly, and regularly do my turn at floors and dishes, and windows, as well as shopping, and *of course*, *traditionally*, take out the garbage.] Anyway (after noting other similar and historical people, like Einstein, and duly pointing them out to my housemates), now my humorous response to a housemate's prodding, "*Look* at that mess!", is, "*YYYEAHHH*...! I MUST BE A FFFUCKIN' *GEEENIOUS*, HUH!!? Haha!!"
Have a good day, Angie! :-)
Thanks, I did. Hope you did too.
I daresay you had some entertaining reading this afternoon, did you not? It's astonishing what one finds buried on a desk top, isn't it? Or even close by! Sigh!
I can't even access Uri Avnery's columns from yesterday and it's my home page for God's sakes! What is this world coming to?
Later, my friend.
Angie
I daresay you had some entertaining reading this afternoon, did you not? It's astonishing what one finds buried on a desk top, isn't it? Or even close by! Sigh!
I can't even access Uri Avnery's columns from yesterday and it's my home page for God's sakes! What is this world coming to?
Later, my friend.
Angie
My dear friend JA, I was thinking of painting a nice picture of zionist jews being murdered and sending it to Hamas as a gift, do you want to help me paint it?
Best wishes,
Angie
Best wishes,
Angie
This is getting to be a bit much even for me.
What can I do about this without wasting my time here? What kind of people are we dealing with? Wait! Don't answer that. We both know. In fact, every intelligent person in the world knows.
Of course, you are well aware the above is not from me.
Later, my friend
Angie
What can I do about this without wasting my time here? What kind of people are we dealing with? Wait! Don't answer that. We both know. In fact, every intelligent person in the world knows.
Of course, you are well aware the above is not from me.
Later, my friend
Angie
Tim Wise, anti-Zionist, anti-racist activist and national public lecturer from Nashville, Tennessee; author of the noted "Reflections on Zionism from a Dissident Jew" and "Fraud Fit For A King: Israel, Zionism, And The Misuse Of MLK" as well as numerous other articles:
"Of course, the kinds of folks who push an ideology that required the expulsion of three-quarters-of-a-million Palestinians from their lands, and then lied about it, claiming there had been no such persons to begin with (as with Golda Meir’s infamous quip), can’t be expected to place a very high premium on truth."
Need anyone really say more?
I wouldn't have been fooled for a second, Angie. It just shows how TRULY *****PATHETIC***** AND INTELLECTUALLY AND (IM)MORALLY ***DESPERATE*** AND WHAT *****TRULY SORRY ASSES***** ZIONISTS ARE!!
But, if this happens again, I will start impersonating every hardcore arch-Zionist regular on sf.indymedia. KL, Scottie, gehrig, and the other usual suspects: your names won't be worth a damn on indymedia, because no one will know who is really you and who isn't. WHICHEVER ONE OF YOU IT IS: ***DON'T*** START SOMETHING YOU CAN'T STOP! Or as the ancient Chinese saying goes: DON'T PICK UP A BOULDER, ONLY TO HAVE IT DROP ON YOUR OWN FOOT!! YOU BETTER TELL YOUR LITTLE HARDCORE ARCH-ZIONIST JDL BUDDY TO KNOCK IT OFF.
YOUR LITTLE BUDDY ISN'T IN ISRAEL: THAT BEHAVIOR BY ZIONISTS WON'T CUT IT HERE ON INDYMEDIA!
"Of course, the kinds of folks who push an ideology that required the expulsion of three-quarters-of-a-million Palestinians from their lands, and then lied about it, claiming there had been no such persons to begin with (as with Golda Meir’s infamous quip), can’t be expected to place a very high premium on truth."
Need anyone really say more?
I wouldn't have been fooled for a second, Angie. It just shows how TRULY *****PATHETIC***** AND INTELLECTUALLY AND (IM)MORALLY ***DESPERATE*** AND WHAT *****TRULY SORRY ASSES***** ZIONISTS ARE!!
But, if this happens again, I will start impersonating every hardcore arch-Zionist regular on sf.indymedia. KL, Scottie, gehrig, and the other usual suspects: your names won't be worth a damn on indymedia, because no one will know who is really you and who isn't. WHICHEVER ONE OF YOU IT IS: ***DON'T*** START SOMETHING YOU CAN'T STOP! Or as the ancient Chinese saying goes: DON'T PICK UP A BOULDER, ONLY TO HAVE IT DROP ON YOUR OWN FOOT!! YOU BETTER TELL YOUR LITTLE HARDCORE ARCH-ZIONIST JDL BUDDY TO KNOCK IT OFF.
YOUR LITTLE BUDDY ISN'T IN ISRAEL: THAT BEHAVIOR BY ZIONISTS WON'T CUT IT HERE ON INDYMEDIA!
Hear! Hear!
"But, if this happens again, I will start impersonating every hardcore arch-Zionist regular on sf.indymedia. KL, Scottie, gehrig, and the other usual suspects:"
You can break this board if you want by constantly spaming under other peoples names (it would take up alot of your time of course) - then making them spam under your name and spend al lthe time talking about that and not the topic.
But that would be what a hard core zionist would want you to do.
It is like going for a wizz on your own bed.
You can break this board if you want by constantly spaming under other peoples names (it would take up alot of your time of course) - then making them spam under your name and spend al lthe time talking about that and not the topic.
But that would be what a hard core zionist would want you to do.
It is like going for a wizz on your own bed.
It hasn't been a very happy evening/night here for me, and now it's Monday a.m. I am very hurt and disbelieving at what's been going on here yesterday evening/night.
Surely my determination to bring other points of view re Jenin can't be distressing that many people!
But (straightening her shoulders in grim determination) let them do their damnedest.
I spent so much time and energy dealing with these idiots yesterday that I didn't get my final piece on Jenin finished.
I'm tired, my friend. The unseen enemy and all that.
Later, my friend
Angie
PS Thanks! I knew you wouldn't believe that garbage addressed to you above but others here might..
Surely my determination to bring other points of view re Jenin can't be distressing that many people!
But (straightening her shoulders in grim determination) let them do their damnedest.
I spent so much time and energy dealing with these idiots yesterday that I didn't get my final piece on Jenin finished.
I'm tired, my friend. The unseen enemy and all that.
Later, my friend
Angie
PS Thanks! I knew you wouldn't believe that garbage addressed to you above but others here might..
Scottie, quoting JA: "But, if this happens again, I will start impersonating every hardcore arch-Zionist regular on sf.indymedia. KL, Scottie, gehrig, and the other usual suspects:"
Well, hey, if I get forged, then I know exactly who to blame, don't I.
On the other hand I can't imagine being bored enough to _read_ angie's posts, let alone forge posts in her name. Somebody needs to get a life pretty badly if that strikes him as a form of entertainment.
@%<
Well, hey, if I get forged, then I know exactly who to blame, don't I.
On the other hand I can't imagine being bored enough to _read_ angie's posts, let alone forge posts in her name. Somebody needs to get a life pretty badly if that strikes him as a form of entertainment.
@%<
I doubt if anything on this Board can be as boring and irrelevant as your massive spiels, Mr. Gehrig. You seem to have one agenda here, and one agenda only.
Attacking the editors whilst at the same time imagining Holacaust "deniers' behind every bush.
Someone on this Board is determined to cause me grief. I somehow doubt it's you because you'd "have to be bored" to read anything I have to say. I hope, however, you will last long enough to read this.
Because I can tell you flat out EMPHATICALLY that like Jenin, I am not going quietly into the night.
Or as one chap noted as his brilliant "signature" here a few weeks ago, "Boldly Going Nowhere".
And that's what I intend to do. I am staying right here on this damn board, and if you don't like that, well, cry me a river, sir.
Attacking the editors whilst at the same time imagining Holacaust "deniers' behind every bush.
Someone on this Board is determined to cause me grief. I somehow doubt it's you because you'd "have to be bored" to read anything I have to say. I hope, however, you will last long enough to read this.
Because I can tell you flat out EMPHATICALLY that like Jenin, I am not going quietly into the night.
Or as one chap noted as his brilliant "signature" here a few weeks ago, "Boldly Going Nowhere".
And that's what I intend to do. I am staying right here on this damn board, and if you don't like that, well, cry me a river, sir.
I understand you Gehrig. Of course no loyal Zionist wants to read Angie's evil posts.
She blatantly condemns murder, repression and theft, completely disregarding the fact that it is what our Zionist philosophy and way of life is all about. Any Zionist would be sick when reading her posts, because they attack our inhumanity.
Dear Gehrig, please calm yourself and don't do anything rash. I know how hard it is for us Zionists to encounter decent human beings. Always remember that you are a Zionist, and that the human codes of conduct don't apply to us. If it helps you, please stop reading her posts, they may change you into a moral human being, and we wouldn't want that to happen now, would we? So go ahead and say that you are too bored to read her posts. Whenever a Zionist says that, we in the Knesset understand what you really mean, that you are either
a) afraid of the truth
or,
b) illiterate
Don't listen to her, dear friend. Tune on to a Jerry Springer talkshow and get these difficult moral dilemnas of your overworked little brain.
Just take it easy, comrade.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
She blatantly condemns murder, repression and theft, completely disregarding the fact that it is what our Zionist philosophy and way of life is all about. Any Zionist would be sick when reading her posts, because they attack our inhumanity.
Dear Gehrig, please calm yourself and don't do anything rash. I know how hard it is for us Zionists to encounter decent human beings. Always remember that you are a Zionist, and that the human codes of conduct don't apply to us. If it helps you, please stop reading her posts, they may change you into a moral human being, and we wouldn't want that to happen now, would we? So go ahead and say that you are too bored to read her posts. Whenever a Zionist says that, we in the Knesset understand what you really mean, that you are either
a) afraid of the truth
or,
b) illiterate
Don't listen to her, dear friend. Tune on to a Jerry Springer talkshow and get these difficult moral dilemnas of your overworked little brain.
Just take it easy, comrade.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Please don't start impersonating my Zionist friends on indymedia. We make asses of ourselves the way we are, and don't need your help.
Seriously, you will only spoil things on this board, and only hurt your own side.
Please don't stoop down to our Zionist level.
- A concerned Zionist
Seriously, you will only spoil things on this board, and only hurt your own side.
Please don't stoop down to our Zionist level.
- A concerned Zionist
I understand you Gehrig. Of course no loyal Zionist wants to read Angie's evil posts.
She blatantly condemns murder, repression and theft, completely disregarding the fact that it is what our Zionist philosophy and way of life is all about. Any Zionist would be sick when reading her posts, because they attack our inhumanity.
Dear Gehrig, please calm yourself and don't do anything rash. I know how hard it is for us Zionists to encounter decent human beings. Always remember that you are a Zionist, and that the human codes of conduct don't apply to us. If it helps you, please stop reading her posts, they may change you into a moral human being, and we wouldn't want that to happen now, would we? So go ahead and say that you are too bored to read her posts. Whenever a Zionist says that, we in the Knesset understand what you really mean, that you are either
a) afraid of the truth
or,
b) illiterate
Don't listen to her, dear friend. Tune on to a Jerry Springer talkshow and get these difficult moral dilemnas of your overworked little brain.
Just take it easy, comrade.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
She blatantly condemns murder, repression and theft, completely disregarding the fact that it is what our Zionist philosophy and way of life is all about. Any Zionist would be sick when reading her posts, because they attack our inhumanity.
Dear Gehrig, please calm yourself and don't do anything rash. I know how hard it is for us Zionists to encounter decent human beings. Always remember that you are a Zionist, and that the human codes of conduct don't apply to us. If it helps you, please stop reading her posts, they may change you into a moral human being, and we wouldn't want that to happen now, would we? So go ahead and say that you are too bored to read her posts. Whenever a Zionist says that, we in the Knesset understand what you really mean, that you are either
a) afraid of the truth
or,
b) illiterate
Don't listen to her, dear friend. Tune on to a Jerry Springer talkshow and get these difficult moral dilemnas of your overworked little brain.
Just take it easy, comrade.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
My Dear Concerned Zionist,
It's been a bit difficult here the past several hours. Thus seeing you bravely defending your "breathen" from my horrifically "boring" posts and begging them to "hold their bulldozer" is, indeed, soothing to read. The tears have turned to chuckles, bless you!
No one does it better! Thank you muchly.
Angie
PS One of these days, perhaps, I will hear/see the word "bulldozer" without sucumbing to uncontrollable laughter.
PSS "Laugh at the Dying" is blaming ME for his "creepy" name. Said he used it to address my "laughter" upon reading your posts all those weeks ago. Remember when you bemoaned your not having a bulldozer???
PSS Thanks, my friend!!!
It's been a bit difficult here the past several hours. Thus seeing you bravely defending your "breathen" from my horrifically "boring" posts and begging them to "hold their bulldozer" is, indeed, soothing to read. The tears have turned to chuckles, bless you!
No one does it better! Thank you muchly.
Angie
PS One of these days, perhaps, I will hear/see the word "bulldozer" without sucumbing to uncontrollable laughter.
PSS "Laugh at the Dying" is blaming ME for his "creepy" name. Said he used it to address my "laughter" upon reading your posts all those weeks ago. Remember when you bemoaned your not having a bulldozer???
PSS Thanks, my friend!!!
I understand you Gehrig. Of course no loyal Zionist wants to read Angie's evil posts.
She blatantly condemns murder, repression and theft, completely disregarding the fact that it is what our Zionist philosophy and way of life is all about. Any Zionist would be sick when reading her posts, because they attack our inhumanity.
Dear Gehrig, please calm yourself and don't do anything rash. I know how hard it is for us Zionists to encounter decent human beings. Always remember that you are a Zionist, and that the human codes of conduct don't apply to us. If it helps you, please stop reading her posts, they may change you into a moral human being, and we wouldn't want that to happen now, would we? So go ahead and say that you are too bored to read her posts. Whenever a Zionist says that, we in the Knesset understand what you really mean, that you are either
a) afraid of the truth
or,
b) illiterate
Don't listen to her, dear friend. Tune on to a Jerry Springer talkshow and get these difficult moral dilemnas of your overworked little brain.
Just take it easy, comrade.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
She blatantly condemns murder, repression and theft, completely disregarding the fact that it is what our Zionist philosophy and way of life is all about. Any Zionist would be sick when reading her posts, because they attack our inhumanity.
Dear Gehrig, please calm yourself and don't do anything rash. I know how hard it is for us Zionists to encounter decent human beings. Always remember that you are a Zionist, and that the human codes of conduct don't apply to us. If it helps you, please stop reading her posts, they may change you into a moral human being, and we wouldn't want that to happen now, would we? So go ahead and say that you are too bored to read her posts. Whenever a Zionist says that, we in the Knesset understand what you really mean, that you are either
a) afraid of the truth
or,
b) illiterate
Don't listen to her, dear friend. Tune on to a Jerry Springer talkshow and get these difficult moral dilemnas of your overworked little brain.
Just take it easy, comrade.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Please don't start impersonating my Zionist friends on indymedia. We make asses of ourselves the way we are, and don't need your help.
Seriously, you will only spoil things on this board, and only hurt your own side.
Please don't stoop down to our Zionist level.
- A concerned Zionist
Seriously, you will only spoil things on this board, and only hurt your own side.
Please don't stoop down to our Zionist level.
- A concerned Zionist
scottie: "You can break this board if you want by constantly spaming under other peoples names (it would take up alot of your time of course) - then making them spam under your name and spend al lthe time talking about that and not the topic.
But that would be what a hard core zionist would want you to do."
JA: *I* CAN HANDLE IT.
Angie: "Surely my determination to bring other points of view re Jenin can't be distressing that many people!"
JA: As I said above, Angie, "It just shows how TRULY *****PATHETIC***** AND INTELLECTUALLY AND (IM)MORALLY ***DESPERATE*** AND WHAT *****TRULY SORRY ASSES***** ZIONISTS ARE!!"
THESE ARE WHAT PEOPLE DO WHO REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE NO ARGUMENTS THAT STAND THE TEST OF INTELLECTUAL LEGITIMACY AND MORAL CONSISTENCY (ESPECIALLY WITH REGARDS TO JEWS OUTSIDE OF ISRAEL).
LIKE A CHESS PLAYER WHO CAN'T STAND LOSING, THEY TRY TO CAST THE PIECES OFF AND THROW OVER THE BOARD.
gehrig: "Well, hey, if I get forged, then I know exactly who to blame, don't I."
JA: You'll have to *prove* it first, now won't you? Maybe I was jes' trash-talkin', *hmmmm*...???
gehrig: "On the other hand I can't imagine being bored enough to _read_ angie's posts"
JA: WHY NOT, GEHRIG (BUT FIRST YOU'LL HAVE TO LEARN *HOW* TO READ)? YOU'RE **BORED** ENOUGH TO WRITE YOUR OWN!
Angie: "I doubt if anything on this Board can be as boring and irrelevant as your massive spiels, Mr. Gehrig."
JA: ***** AAA-MMMEN !!! *****
ACZ: "Hold your bulldozer, Gehrig
by A concerned Zionist Monday July 14, 2003 at 08:37 AM.
JA: *****EXCELLENT!!!*****
ACZ: "Please don't stoop down to our Zionist level."
JA: I HAD TO THREATEN THESE ZIONISTS ONCE BEFORE FOR THEIR DOING THIS! *THIS'LL* WORK! IT'S JUST MY TOOL FOR *FOOLS* TO KEEP 'EM IN CHECK!
IF I THREATEN TO LOC UP [go 'loco'] ON THOSE ZIONIST FOOLS, THEY'LL GET THE MESSAGE -- LIKE EVEN *GEHRIG* DID -- AND TELL THEIR LITTLE JDL BUDDY -- WHICHEVER ONE IT IS -- TO KNOCK IT OFF!
ACZ: "Please don't start impersonating my Zionist friends on indymedia. We make asses of ourselves the way we are"
JA: WELL, I CAN'T ARGUE WITH *THAT* !
But that would be what a hard core zionist would want you to do."
JA: *I* CAN HANDLE IT.
Angie: "Surely my determination to bring other points of view re Jenin can't be distressing that many people!"
JA: As I said above, Angie, "It just shows how TRULY *****PATHETIC***** AND INTELLECTUALLY AND (IM)MORALLY ***DESPERATE*** AND WHAT *****TRULY SORRY ASSES***** ZIONISTS ARE!!"
THESE ARE WHAT PEOPLE DO WHO REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE NO ARGUMENTS THAT STAND THE TEST OF INTELLECTUAL LEGITIMACY AND MORAL CONSISTENCY (ESPECIALLY WITH REGARDS TO JEWS OUTSIDE OF ISRAEL).
LIKE A CHESS PLAYER WHO CAN'T STAND LOSING, THEY TRY TO CAST THE PIECES OFF AND THROW OVER THE BOARD.
gehrig: "Well, hey, if I get forged, then I know exactly who to blame, don't I."
JA: You'll have to *prove* it first, now won't you? Maybe I was jes' trash-talkin', *hmmmm*...???
gehrig: "On the other hand I can't imagine being bored enough to _read_ angie's posts"
JA: WHY NOT, GEHRIG (BUT FIRST YOU'LL HAVE TO LEARN *HOW* TO READ)? YOU'RE **BORED** ENOUGH TO WRITE YOUR OWN!
Angie: "I doubt if anything on this Board can be as boring and irrelevant as your massive spiels, Mr. Gehrig."
JA: ***** AAA-MMMEN !!! *****
ACZ: "Hold your bulldozer, Gehrig
by A concerned Zionist Monday July 14, 2003 at 08:37 AM.
JA: *****EXCELLENT!!!*****
ACZ: "Please don't stoop down to our Zionist level."
JA: I HAD TO THREATEN THESE ZIONISTS ONCE BEFORE FOR THEIR DOING THIS! *THIS'LL* WORK! IT'S JUST MY TOOL FOR *FOOLS* TO KEEP 'EM IN CHECK!
IF I THREATEN TO LOC UP [go 'loco'] ON THOSE ZIONIST FOOLS, THEY'LL GET THE MESSAGE -- LIKE EVEN *GEHRIG* DID -- AND TELL THEIR LITTLE JDL BUDDY -- WHICHEVER ONE IT IS -- TO KNOCK IT OFF!
ACZ: "Please don't start impersonating my Zionist friends on indymedia. We make asses of ourselves the way we are"
JA: WELL, I CAN'T ARGUE WITH *THAT* !
Just a brief note to tell you how relieved I am that you're out there "somewhere".
I am/was comforted by your above remarks after the harrassment of last evening and night.
Not only was there a waste of my time and energy publishing denials for those plastered here under my name, but it's scary, isn' t it, not to know what to do. Dealing with this kind of behaviour is totally foreign to me.
Thanks, my friend.
Angie
I am/was comforted by your above remarks after the harrassment of last evening and night.
Not only was there a waste of my time and energy publishing denials for those plastered here under my name, but it's scary, isn' t it, not to know what to do. Dealing with this kind of behaviour is totally foreign to me.
Thanks, my friend.
Angie
Dear Angie,
It is no wonder that the behavior you are encountering now is totally foreign to you. You are encountering Zionism, a superior philosophy so far removed from ordinary humanity that it is a wonder that anyone tries to comprehend it or understand it. Lying and deception are some of the most important tenets of this superior philosophy, and honesty and justice are some of its' greatest enemies.
We Zionists are a remarkable specimen. It is hard for any human being to understand us, that is why we are so removed from the civillized world. It is a wonder to still find people on the earth such as us. Most of those with our type of mentality were hung at Nuremburg soon after 1945.
Don't be surprised by our behavior or deceptions. To most normal human beings, they are also impossible to comprehend.
- A concerned Zionist
It is no wonder that the behavior you are encountering now is totally foreign to you. You are encountering Zionism, a superior philosophy so far removed from ordinary humanity that it is a wonder that anyone tries to comprehend it or understand it. Lying and deception are some of the most important tenets of this superior philosophy, and honesty and justice are some of its' greatest enemies.
We Zionists are a remarkable specimen. It is hard for any human being to understand us, that is why we are so removed from the civillized world. It is a wonder to still find people on the earth such as us. Most of those with our type of mentality were hung at Nuremburg soon after 1945.
Don't be surprised by our behavior or deceptions. To most normal human beings, they are also impossible to comprehend.
- A concerned Zionist
Dear Concerned Zioinist,
Oh, I understand it, my friend. I just can't believe that it is actually an "ism" or that anyone would ever waste time trying to convert the "unconvertible".
Before chasing John Pilger's works onto this board months ago now, this (zionism) was something I knew nothing about other than it existed, and that was more than info for me.
Little did I know what it was all about, how it works, etc., etc., and how wicked it is to those who dare challenge the lies and deceptions emanating from them!!.
If you really do live in "asper" land, then I am sure you are an expert (in the true meaning of the word "expert") in what zionism is all about.
I do thank you so much for explaining (giggle) all of the above to me, my friend.
It's always so encouraging to find you on these pages especially in a post directed to me because I know I'll be howling with merriment even if I'm in tears prior to.
Keep up the good fight, my dear Concerned Zionist.
Angie
Oh, I understand it, my friend. I just can't believe that it is actually an "ism" or that anyone would ever waste time trying to convert the "unconvertible".
Before chasing John Pilger's works onto this board months ago now, this (zionism) was something I knew nothing about other than it existed, and that was more than info for me.
Little did I know what it was all about, how it works, etc., etc., and how wicked it is to those who dare challenge the lies and deceptions emanating from them!!.
If you really do live in "asper" land, then I am sure you are an expert (in the true meaning of the word "expert") in what zionism is all about.
I do thank you so much for explaining (giggle) all of the above to me, my friend.
It's always so encouraging to find you on these pages especially in a post directed to me because I know I'll be howling with merriment even if I'm in tears prior to.
Keep up the good fight, my dear Concerned Zionist.
Angie
For anyone interested, check out this talk on Palestine/Israel which is very interesting and is the kind of stuff that you could never ever find in the mainstream media:
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/07/1627921_comment.php
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/07/1627921_comment.php
Dear miani,
I am afraid you are terribly wrong. It is not Rachel Corrie who deserves the congratulations, the praise, the tax dollars, and the admiration of you and the American public.
It is Israel.
The American people need to congratulate Israel and our Zionist movement on its' success on portraying itself as a democratic, human rights abiding country in the Middle East. Even as we open fire on Palestinian children going to and from school and demolish homes with their occupants still inside, we manage to convince the Americans that we are fighting against 'terrorism'. We manage to convince America that the suicide bombers are responsible for all the carnage in the holy land ( we Zionists don't recognize anything as holy, of course, except our own bank accounts), even though our heroic IDF has been occupying the West Bank and Gaza and making life for its' people a nightmare since 1967 and the first villainous suicide bomber struck Israel in the early 1990's. And even though our IDF have killed far more Palestinians than the Hamas or the PLO have killed Israelis, we maintain that we are always the victims. We maintain that stealing Palestinian lands and water is completely normal, and that any resistance to our policies means supporting the Palestinian terror and is therefore fascism. Never mind that many Jews stand by the people we murder and humilate every day. According to our infallible Zionist logic, they are antisemites too. And when our crimes are brought to public, we blame corrupt Arab governments which care about the Palestinians about as much as we do.
Poor Rachel Corrie should have realized the truth- that America doesn't listen to Arabic or Russian propaganda. They listen to our Zionist broadcasts, because if they were to listen to anything else, they would be accused of antisemitism.
Oppose Russian and Arabic propaganda. Oppose anything that doesn't come from an official Zionist source. Listen only to Zionist media, and you will be an educated and politically correct person in your society. Then you won't feel any need to go to Palestine ( unless you join the IDF), and stand up for the people who we oppress, like Rachel Corrie has done. And we won't have to kill you.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
I am afraid you are terribly wrong. It is not Rachel Corrie who deserves the congratulations, the praise, the tax dollars, and the admiration of you and the American public.
It is Israel.
The American people need to congratulate Israel and our Zionist movement on its' success on portraying itself as a democratic, human rights abiding country in the Middle East. Even as we open fire on Palestinian children going to and from school and demolish homes with their occupants still inside, we manage to convince the Americans that we are fighting against 'terrorism'. We manage to convince America that the suicide bombers are responsible for all the carnage in the holy land ( we Zionists don't recognize anything as holy, of course, except our own bank accounts), even though our heroic IDF has been occupying the West Bank and Gaza and making life for its' people a nightmare since 1967 and the first villainous suicide bomber struck Israel in the early 1990's. And even though our IDF have killed far more Palestinians than the Hamas or the PLO have killed Israelis, we maintain that we are always the victims. We maintain that stealing Palestinian lands and water is completely normal, and that any resistance to our policies means supporting the Palestinian terror and is therefore fascism. Never mind that many Jews stand by the people we murder and humilate every day. According to our infallible Zionist logic, they are antisemites too. And when our crimes are brought to public, we blame corrupt Arab governments which care about the Palestinians about as much as we do.
Poor Rachel Corrie should have realized the truth- that America doesn't listen to Arabic or Russian propaganda. They listen to our Zionist broadcasts, because if they were to listen to anything else, they would be accused of antisemitism.
Oppose Russian and Arabic propaganda. Oppose anything that doesn't come from an official Zionist source. Listen only to Zionist media, and you will be an educated and politically correct person in your society. Then you won't feel any need to go to Palestine ( unless you join the IDF), and stand up for the people who we oppress, like Rachel Corrie has done. And we won't have to kill you.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Nessie, it isn't nice to urinate on Ariel Sharon or our IDF Zionist stormtroopers !
Knock it off! Leave the animals alone!
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Knock it off! Leave the animals alone!
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
The web page above is a repost from a neo-Nazi organization -- the "No War for Israel" website set up by the National Alliance last march or so, with a domain name registered to David Duke.
So at least Wendy Campbell no longer has the distinction of having been its lone dupe.
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So at least Wendy Campbell no longer has the distinction of having been its lone dupe.
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Angie above said "Before chasing John Pilger's works onto this board months ago now, this (zionism) was something I knew nothing about other than it existed, and that was more than info for me."
So, months ago angie knew nothing of zionism, and now that she's been brainwashed by the biggest lunatics on the internet, she thinks zionism might as well be nazism.
So, months ago angie knew nothing of zionism, and now that she's been brainwashed by the biggest lunatics on the internet, she thinks zionism might as well be nazism.
Why don't you give up this nonsense and make an attempt to contribute something of note? Something that we can all learn from? I mean it.
Zionism, anti-zionism means nothing to me. I despise labels of any kind, yet they're around us everywhere, aren't they?
My views on the "conflict" were/are simple.
I have always wanted a just and dignified peace everywhere. This is not the only conflict in the world, you know, although I'm beginning to believe a certain element of society would like it to be and believes it to be.
I want the oppression of the Palestinian peoples to end. Oppression is cruel and evil.
I want the Palestinains to have their lands and homes back; their olive and orange groves; I want Israel to take its settlements, illegal settlements, and return to its pre 1967 borders.
I want the bloody lies and propaganda to STOP; I want the wall to cease and disappear. I want an end to curfews, an end to incursions, an end to checkpoints. I want an end to assassinations and the collateral damage they create. It serves no purpose whatever except to promote hatred.
I want the people of Palestine to be treated like the human beings that they are, that God created equal to you and I.
I want more people like Uri Avnery and Gush Shalom to stand up and fight for peace and justice. And perhaps if this were to happen, there would be no more suicide bombers.
I am thrilled to have landed here six months ago. It's been an experience I'll never forget. There is so much I've learned from the "lunatics" (your word, not mine), it's been an eye opener for sure, but I wouldn't have missed it for the world.
I consider the Board to be almost like family. There are those I've grown quite fond of, those I'm quite curious about, those I would rather ignore.
I love the exchange of knowledge, and whereas I cringe at times with respect to some of the insane comments directed at myself and others, I TOTALLY ADORE being part of my beloved SF Indymedia (as I affectionately call it). I think it's an excellent place to be, and I'll stay here, thank you.
So if all of the above makes me an idiot, then, wow! I am blessed, and I LIKE IT!!!!
P.S. Palestinians who are peaceful and nice are equal to me. Palestinians who are crazed psycho lunatics who yell "God is great!" and then proceed to blow up a bus, they aren't equal to me, and if I was around them I'd do everything in my power to keep them away from my family and friends.
Why would I respond in a bitter, hateful (what else?) manner? You had your say. I had mine.
One point of clarification, however. I haven't said anything about the right of return. NOT YET.
The "homes" I was referring to here were the ones demolished by Israeli bulldozers.
"we can only conclude"
A wise man knows his limitations; I'm glad you're now noting how limited your deductive skills are. Perhaps with practice you can find other conclusions that aren't as ridiculous.
"that he doesn't really want us to remove this stuff ASAP. He may even be the person who posted it in the first place, just to try to make us look bad."
Congratulations, you're learning! You used to positively shout your certainty that I had posted the antisemitica I attacked. Now you merely mention the possibility in passing. You're still one hundred percent wrong, of course, but at least you're not as blatantly proudly wrong.
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A wise man knows his limitations; I'm glad you're now noting how limited your deductive skills are. Perhaps with practice you can find other conclusions that aren't as ridiculous.
"that he doesn't really want us to remove this stuff ASAP. He may even be the person who posted it in the first place, just to try to make us look bad."
Congratulations, you're learning! You used to positively shout your certainty that I had posted the antisemitica I attacked. Now you merely mention the possibility in passing. You're still one hundred percent wrong, of course, but at least you're not as blatantly proudly wrong.
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Ralph: "(2) At some point you should recognize that hamas, islamic jihad, arafat and others have only served to work against the interests of palestinians as a people. They have given Israel ever reason to not budge an inch. "
Imagine what the American struggle for civil rights in the '50s and '60s would have been like if its leaders had decided that, rather than sitting down at the counters at Woolworth's, it would be better to blow them all up, taking as many bystanders as possible with them via nail-studded bombs, and then dancing in the streets afterward. American history would have gone a tad differently, don't you think?
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Imagine what the American struggle for civil rights in the '50s and '60s would have been like if its leaders had decided that, rather than sitting down at the counters at Woolworth's, it would be better to blow them all up, taking as many bystanders as possible with them via nail-studded bombs, and then dancing in the streets afterward. American history would have gone a tad differently, don't you think?
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Imagine what the American struggle for civil rights in the 50s and 60s would have been like if its leaders decided that rather than sitting down at a counter at Woolworths, it would be better to blow them all up, taking as many bystanders as possible with them via US provided missiles and state-of-the-art bombs, and then hang around close enough to be overheard by a journalist as they laughed and bragged about how they killed them atterwards?
Maybe you can tell us, then, who is killing the Palestinians virtually on a daily basis by firing missiles at them, hmm? And bullets, and bombs, and --- must I go on? I don't have time, really. But it's all documented. Where are you living, man?
Oh, right! Accidents! Like, "oops! I didn't know my gun was loaded" said the murderer, who killed a four year old at a check point, injuring his two sisters, and riddling the car with bullet holes. And this at the very beginning of the hudna. Do you wish me to document every Israeli killing since then?
Talk about reality! Ralph, dear, look it up.
And I don't have the time or energy to be responding to you if you're going to continue your tunnel vision, ignoring the daily reports from this hell hole.
PS I have posted another note to you in a different thread. If you wish to respond, I won't be here for a few hours. There's other things to be done, you know.
I will say in case you haven't heard that Abbas has resigned (much to the delight of Sharon whose dream it was that he would so do). Poor Abbas never had a prayer in hell, being set up as a puppet by Israel and the US.
How do I know that? Oh, we have our ways, sir, indeed, we have our ways!
Oh, right! Accidents! Like, "oops! I didn't know my gun was loaded" said the murderer, who killed a four year old at a check point, injuring his two sisters, and riddling the car with bullet holes. And this at the very beginning of the hudna. Do you wish me to document every Israeli killing since then?
Talk about reality! Ralph, dear, look it up.
And I don't have the time or energy to be responding to you if you're going to continue your tunnel vision, ignoring the daily reports from this hell hole.
PS I have posted another note to you in a different thread. If you wish to respond, I won't be here for a few hours. There's other things to be done, you know.
I will say in case you haven't heard that Abbas has resigned (much to the delight of Sharon whose dream it was that he would so do). Poor Abbas never had a prayer in hell, being set up as a puppet by Israel and the US.
How do I know that? Oh, we have our ways, sir, indeed, we have our ways!
Read what Mr. Gehrig wrote.
Read what I wrote.
Then you will see that I was merely repeating his sentence.
Geez!
Read what I wrote.
Then you will see that I was merely repeating his sentence.
Geez!
Angie: "Maybe you can tell us, then, who is killing the Palestinians virtually on a daily basis by firing missiles at them, hmm? And bullets, and bombs, and --- must I go on? "
There's a word in caps you "forgot" to insert into your above sentence:
"Maybe you can tell us, then, who is killing the Palestinians TERRORISTS virtually on a daily basis by firing missiles at them, hmm? And bullets, and bombs, and --- must I go on?"
Angie: "Oh, right! Accidents! Like, "oops! I didn't know my gun was loaded" said the murderer, who killed a four year old at a check point, injuring his two sisters, and riddling the car with bullet holes."
You lied intentionally - it really was an ACCIDENT and that soldier was NOT a murderer.
Angie: "Poor Abbas never had a prayer in hell, being set up as a puppet by Israel and the US."
How convenient for you to deliberately omit Arafat, who was THE obstructionist, and then also the EU, who have refused to boycott Arafat, thus helping him undermine Abu-Mazen's position. The US and Israel have done more than more than other external forces in the world combined to at least stay out of his way, if not actively strengthen him.
Angie: "Read what Mr. Gehrig wrote. Read what I wrote. Then you will see that I was merely repeating his sentence. Geez!"
You must be stoned, otherwise you have less than 70 IQ.
You don't give a damn about facts and truth.
You cling to the half truths, lies and nonsense you're fed by your guru, Uri Avnery. You might respond claiming that his living in Israel, lends his views more credit. But I'm in Israel as well and know to what extent he's avidly anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian.
But the issue is you, not him. When you are corrected you spew even more ridiculous nonsense than before.
I have no will to deal anymore with someone of your scarce brain power, so run along and scram. I'm terribly bored by your nonsense and am leaving for the meantime.
There's a word in caps you "forgot" to insert into your above sentence:
"Maybe you can tell us, then, who is killing the Palestinians TERRORISTS virtually on a daily basis by firing missiles at them, hmm? And bullets, and bombs, and --- must I go on?"
Angie: "Oh, right! Accidents! Like, "oops! I didn't know my gun was loaded" said the murderer, who killed a four year old at a check point, injuring his two sisters, and riddling the car with bullet holes."
You lied intentionally - it really was an ACCIDENT and that soldier was NOT a murderer.
Angie: "Poor Abbas never had a prayer in hell, being set up as a puppet by Israel and the US."
How convenient for you to deliberately omit Arafat, who was THE obstructionist, and then also the EU, who have refused to boycott Arafat, thus helping him undermine Abu-Mazen's position. The US and Israel have done more than more than other external forces in the world combined to at least stay out of his way, if not actively strengthen him.
Angie: "Read what Mr. Gehrig wrote. Read what I wrote. Then you will see that I was merely repeating his sentence. Geez!"
You must be stoned, otherwise you have less than 70 IQ.
You don't give a damn about facts and truth.
You cling to the half truths, lies and nonsense you're fed by your guru, Uri Avnery. You might respond claiming that his living in Israel, lends his views more credit. But I'm in Israel as well and know to what extent he's avidly anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian.
But the issue is you, not him. When you are corrected you spew even more ridiculous nonsense than before.
I have no will to deal anymore with someone of your scarce brain power, so run along and scram. I'm terribly bored by your nonsense and am leaving for the meantime.
I don't have to imagine. I was there. Except for emancipation, African Americans never got squat from this country, let alone their fair share, until a significant minority of them made it abundantly clear that if they didn't, they were going to burn the place down around our ears.
Correction to Angie's utter bullshit:
FACT:
Abu Mazen is being prevented BY ARAFAT from doing what he wants. HE'S SAID THIS. OTHER ARABS HAVE POINTED THIS OUT. Arafat still controls 5 out of 8 security/police teams, and refuses to hand control over to Mazen. Mazen SAID THIS PUBLICALLY and threatened to quit over it. He also got annoyed about sharon recently, but ARAFAT is the one trying to keep power away from mazen so mazen will fail.
FACT:
Abu Mazen is being prevented BY ARAFAT from doing what he wants. HE'S SAID THIS. OTHER ARABS HAVE POINTED THIS OUT. Arafat still controls 5 out of 8 security/police teams, and refuses to hand control over to Mazen. Mazen SAID THIS PUBLICALLY and threatened to quit over it. He also got annoyed about sharon recently, but ARAFAT is the one trying to keep power away from mazen so mazen will fail.
Woe is me! Alas, and all that.
I step out into the afternoon sunshine for a wee trek to the market, and when I return and check the Board, there's "Anti Angie" doing his level best to condemn me to the fires of hell because - gasp! - firstly, he can't read what I write; secondly, he can't get his intellect around the Palestinians who have been killed; thirdly, the poor lad is furious because of the lies and nonsense that I'm being fed by my "guru" dear Uri Avnery. Have I forgotten something, not being into cutting and pasting? Oh, well, if I have, I'll add an addendum.
1. There have been approximately 3,000 Palestinians killed by Israel since September of 2000.
And whereas Israel likes to prattle about the "wave of Israeli killings", it is an established fact that for the first 30 day period into the rebellion, there was not a SINGLE Israeli killed; in contrast, in the same 30 day period, the Israeli army killed 49 Palestinians, nine of whom were Palestinian protesters. Look it up! Then come back here and tell us who is dealing in fiction.
We are well aware that the word "terrorist" has taken on a life of its own following the 9 September 01 attack in the US, and it's a word Israel has adopted as its excuse for every dastardly deed it carries out. It should be damn well ashamed, and so should you, "Anti Angie" for living in Israel and allowing your country to behave in this fashion.
Because out of the total of Palestinians who have died at the hands of the IDF, the vast majority of them are civilians. Stop echoing the propaganda Israel throws at the world. You're wasting your time.
2. It would be more credible to believe that the soldier accidentally killed the four year old if it were not for the fact that every damn time a civilian is killed, there's that same damn excuse. It was an accident.
Well, if all the civilian killings were accidents, what is the problem here? Rachel Corrie's death? Oh, an accident. Journalist, James Miller, an accident. Again, must I go on? Should soldiers who are so accident prone be permitted to handle deadly weapons?
3. Yasser Arafat has been effectively disempowered by Israel and the US, and yet you still heap blame upon him for everything. It is too foolish and too damn brainless to comment on. If he weren't there, I've often wondered, who would Israel blame for everything it does. I suppose were it to rain the proverbial cats and dogs tomorrow in Israel, you'd blame Arafat. Yes, that's how totally outrageous this is.
4. Abbas got absolutely nothing from Israel or the US to take back to his people. Nohing. Ariel Sharon emphatically told Bush that the wall would continue, Ariel Sharon said the assassinations would continue (and they did, despite the hudna by the Palestinian militants).
Abbas was put in place to take the blame for the US and Israeli inability and lack of interest in the reining in Ariel Sharon. It was all a sham just as all the other so called peace processes have been. A bloody sham, yes, but a sham just the same.
5. Your eyesight is failing, is it not? How else would you make the brain dead comment that I must be "stoned" or have an IQ of "70? I'll repeat this one more time, and kindly pay attention.
Sigh.
Mr. Gehrig stated:
"Imagine what the American struggle for civll rights in the 50s and 60s would have been like if its leaders had decided that, rather than sitting down at the counters at Woolworth's, it would be better to BLOW THEM ALL UP, taking as many bystanders as possible with them, via nail studded bombs, and then dancing in the streets afterward".
The capital letters above are mine.
.
Now, sir, have you read that, or at least gotten someone to read it for you?
I turned around and wrote back to Mr. Gehrig posing the following take on his comment:
"Imagine what the American struggle for civil rights in the 50s and 60s would have been like if its leaders had decided that, rather than sitting down at a counter at Woolworth's, it would be better TO BLOW THEM ALL UP, taking as many bystanders as possible with them via US provided missiles and state-of-the art bombs, and then hang around close enough to be overheard by a journalist as they laughed and bragged about how they killed them afterwards".
Now, sir, for heavens sakes, leave it.
6. Your prattle with respect to my "lies and half truths and disregard for facts" is a familiar refrain, not one directed exclusively at me, but to others here who share similar views. What you really mean is that she's never going to believe our distortions of the truth. And you're right about that!!!
7. As for your referring to my "guru", Uri Avnery, perhaps you will tell me what you've accomplished in your lifetime that can compare, even remotely, to what he has done in his?
Whether he lives in Israel or elsewhere doesn't change the fact that he is a human being with vision, a life long wish for a just a dignified peace, and the belief that two peoples can live together in harmony.
If the rest of Israel had followed Uri Avnery's vision fifty plus years ago, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
Sadly, he has been vilified, physically and verbally abused, barely escaped with his life, and he a Jew living in Israel! You're really kind to your own people, aren't you, especially if they have contrary views. I shudder to think what would have happened to dear Uri if he had been a Palestinian.
I am also an admirer of Isreal Shamir, another of your own people; there is also Gwynne Dyer, who is NOT, as well as Edward S. Herman, Robert Fisk, Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Amira Hass. And that's only some of them.
I know, I know. The whole world is lying, ganging up on poor little Israel. Don't give me that scenario. Don't insult us with that bit of propaganda any more.
The news of your imminent departure from the Board is welcome news, and I hope you're going to take your own wee scant brain with you.
I step out into the afternoon sunshine for a wee trek to the market, and when I return and check the Board, there's "Anti Angie" doing his level best to condemn me to the fires of hell because - gasp! - firstly, he can't read what I write; secondly, he can't get his intellect around the Palestinians who have been killed; thirdly, the poor lad is furious because of the lies and nonsense that I'm being fed by my "guru" dear Uri Avnery. Have I forgotten something, not being into cutting and pasting? Oh, well, if I have, I'll add an addendum.
1. There have been approximately 3,000 Palestinians killed by Israel since September of 2000.
And whereas Israel likes to prattle about the "wave of Israeli killings", it is an established fact that for the first 30 day period into the rebellion, there was not a SINGLE Israeli killed; in contrast, in the same 30 day period, the Israeli army killed 49 Palestinians, nine of whom were Palestinian protesters. Look it up! Then come back here and tell us who is dealing in fiction.
We are well aware that the word "terrorist" has taken on a life of its own following the 9 September 01 attack in the US, and it's a word Israel has adopted as its excuse for every dastardly deed it carries out. It should be damn well ashamed, and so should you, "Anti Angie" for living in Israel and allowing your country to behave in this fashion.
Because out of the total of Palestinians who have died at the hands of the IDF, the vast majority of them are civilians. Stop echoing the propaganda Israel throws at the world. You're wasting your time.
2. It would be more credible to believe that the soldier accidentally killed the four year old if it were not for the fact that every damn time a civilian is killed, there's that same damn excuse. It was an accident.
Well, if all the civilian killings were accidents, what is the problem here? Rachel Corrie's death? Oh, an accident. Journalist, James Miller, an accident. Again, must I go on? Should soldiers who are so accident prone be permitted to handle deadly weapons?
3. Yasser Arafat has been effectively disempowered by Israel and the US, and yet you still heap blame upon him for everything. It is too foolish and too damn brainless to comment on. If he weren't there, I've often wondered, who would Israel blame for everything it does. I suppose were it to rain the proverbial cats and dogs tomorrow in Israel, you'd blame Arafat. Yes, that's how totally outrageous this is.
4. Abbas got absolutely nothing from Israel or the US to take back to his people. Nohing. Ariel Sharon emphatically told Bush that the wall would continue, Ariel Sharon said the assassinations would continue (and they did, despite the hudna by the Palestinian militants).
Abbas was put in place to take the blame for the US and Israeli inability and lack of interest in the reining in Ariel Sharon. It was all a sham just as all the other so called peace processes have been. A bloody sham, yes, but a sham just the same.
5. Your eyesight is failing, is it not? How else would you make the brain dead comment that I must be "stoned" or have an IQ of "70? I'll repeat this one more time, and kindly pay attention.
Sigh.
Mr. Gehrig stated:
"Imagine what the American struggle for civll rights in the 50s and 60s would have been like if its leaders had decided that, rather than sitting down at the counters at Woolworth's, it would be better to BLOW THEM ALL UP, taking as many bystanders as possible with them, via nail studded bombs, and then dancing in the streets afterward".
The capital letters above are mine.
.
Now, sir, have you read that, or at least gotten someone to read it for you?
I turned around and wrote back to Mr. Gehrig posing the following take on his comment:
"Imagine what the American struggle for civil rights in the 50s and 60s would have been like if its leaders had decided that, rather than sitting down at a counter at Woolworth's, it would be better TO BLOW THEM ALL UP, taking as many bystanders as possible with them via US provided missiles and state-of-the art bombs, and then hang around close enough to be overheard by a journalist as they laughed and bragged about how they killed them afterwards".
Now, sir, for heavens sakes, leave it.
6. Your prattle with respect to my "lies and half truths and disregard for facts" is a familiar refrain, not one directed exclusively at me, but to others here who share similar views. What you really mean is that she's never going to believe our distortions of the truth. And you're right about that!!!
7. As for your referring to my "guru", Uri Avnery, perhaps you will tell me what you've accomplished in your lifetime that can compare, even remotely, to what he has done in his?
Whether he lives in Israel or elsewhere doesn't change the fact that he is a human being with vision, a life long wish for a just a dignified peace, and the belief that two peoples can live together in harmony.
If the rest of Israel had followed Uri Avnery's vision fifty plus years ago, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
Sadly, he has been vilified, physically and verbally abused, barely escaped with his life, and he a Jew living in Israel! You're really kind to your own people, aren't you, especially if they have contrary views. I shudder to think what would have happened to dear Uri if he had been a Palestinian.
I am also an admirer of Isreal Shamir, another of your own people; there is also Gwynne Dyer, who is NOT, as well as Edward S. Herman, Robert Fisk, Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Amira Hass. And that's only some of them.
I know, I know. The whole world is lying, ganging up on poor little Israel. Don't give me that scenario. Don't insult us with that bit of propaganda any more.
The news of your imminent departure from the Board is welcome news, and I hope you're going to take your own wee scant brain with you.
Dear 'Anti Angie',
We will miss you on this Board, dear stormtrooper!
We Zionists need someone with a filthy mouth and no regard for non-Zionist human beings! We need someone who is willing to shoot a kid in the head and then have the audacity to blame his parents for the murder! We need someone who is ready to defend the human rights abuses committed by our Zionist SS, which also go by the name "Israeli Defence Force"! We need someone who believes that the Palestinians are responsible for the Holocaust!
In short, we need a literate primate which is dumb enough to feed off our lies and has enough time to disseminate them to others. Dear 'Anti Angie', you are a true Zionist and we will never forget you! You have served us well, attacking Angie and others who share the absurd and obviously anti-Zionist view that the Palestinian and Arabic peoples are also entitled to human rights. You have not hesitated to resort to insults and lies to spread our ideology.
But, alas, if you must go then you must. Luckily we still have minions like Gehrig and Scottie who are willing to serve and protect Israel, no matter how much innocents have to die in the process.
We will miss you, dear 'Anti Angie'! But I'm sure that whether you'll be stealing lands as a settler, shooting kids in the IDF, or supporting Zionism in any other way possible, you will never forget us!
Keep up the good work, loyal and faithful servant! You have licked the boots of Ariel Sharon very admiringly, and proven your dedication to the Zionist cause! Congratulations!
Ein Reich, ein volk, ein fuhrer!
Heil Ariel Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
We will miss you on this Board, dear stormtrooper!
We Zionists need someone with a filthy mouth and no regard for non-Zionist human beings! We need someone who is willing to shoot a kid in the head and then have the audacity to blame his parents for the murder! We need someone who is ready to defend the human rights abuses committed by our Zionist SS, which also go by the name "Israeli Defence Force"! We need someone who believes that the Palestinians are responsible for the Holocaust!
In short, we need a literate primate which is dumb enough to feed off our lies and has enough time to disseminate them to others. Dear 'Anti Angie', you are a true Zionist and we will never forget you! You have served us well, attacking Angie and others who share the absurd and obviously anti-Zionist view that the Palestinian and Arabic peoples are also entitled to human rights. You have not hesitated to resort to insults and lies to spread our ideology.
But, alas, if you must go then you must. Luckily we still have minions like Gehrig and Scottie who are willing to serve and protect Israel, no matter how much innocents have to die in the process.
We will miss you, dear 'Anti Angie'! But I'm sure that whether you'll be stealing lands as a settler, shooting kids in the IDF, or supporting Zionism in any other way possible, you will never forget us!
Keep up the good work, loyal and faithful servant! You have licked the boots of Ariel Sharon very admiringly, and proven your dedication to the Zionist cause! Congratulations!
Ein Reich, ein volk, ein fuhrer!
Heil Ariel Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
" 1. There have been approximately 3,000 Palestinians killed by Israel since September of 2000."
are you sure you dont mean "3,000 palistinians killed in the intefadah?"
your statistics may well include
"Palestinians killed by Palestinian civilians on suspicion of collaborating with Israel."
and
"Palestinian were killed by members of the Palestinian Palestinian were killed by members of the Palestinian security forces."
"Palestinian was killed by gunfire by a Palestinian" (crossfire)
As well as all sorts of people killed engaged in actions that would get them shot in any civilized country in the world.
It seems to be common policy to include these deaths in the total.
"Because out of the total of Palestinians who have died at the hands of the IDF, the vast majority of them are civilians. Stop echoing the propaganda Israel throws at the world. You're wasting your time."
This is not a "war" it is not the PLO security forces that are the main problem it is a certain segment of the "civilians".
"2. It would be more credible to believe that the soldier accidentally killed the four year old if it were not for the fact that every damn time a civilian is killed, there's that same damn excuse. It was an accident."
If one army has a policy of hiding behind 4 year olds when shooting at you then alot of 4 year olds are going to be acidentily killed. Your are right it isnt just a pure accident its the fault of the people hiding behind them
"3. Yasser Arafat has been effectively disempowered by Israel and the US, "
HE HAS NOT ask Abbas.. ask anyone in palestine. Egad you actually believe that??? besides his political power Arafat is about as rich as the rest of the country put together.
are you sure you dont mean "3,000 palistinians killed in the intefadah?"
your statistics may well include
"Palestinians killed by Palestinian civilians on suspicion of collaborating with Israel."
and
"Palestinian were killed by members of the Palestinian Palestinian were killed by members of the Palestinian security forces."
"Palestinian was killed by gunfire by a Palestinian" (crossfire)
As well as all sorts of people killed engaged in actions that would get them shot in any civilized country in the world.
It seems to be common policy to include these deaths in the total.
"Because out of the total of Palestinians who have died at the hands of the IDF, the vast majority of them are civilians. Stop echoing the propaganda Israel throws at the world. You're wasting your time."
This is not a "war" it is not the PLO security forces that are the main problem it is a certain segment of the "civilians".
"2. It would be more credible to believe that the soldier accidentally killed the four year old if it were not for the fact that every damn time a civilian is killed, there's that same damn excuse. It was an accident."
If one army has a policy of hiding behind 4 year olds when shooting at you then alot of 4 year olds are going to be acidentily killed. Your are right it isnt just a pure accident its the fault of the people hiding behind them
"3. Yasser Arafat has been effectively disempowered by Israel and the US, "
HE HAS NOT ask Abbas.. ask anyone in palestine. Egad you actually believe that??? besides his political power Arafat is about as rich as the rest of the country put together.
I hope I didn't imply here that "Anti Angie" was leaving us forever.
He said he was leaving "for the meantime", which, at the time, was good enough for me.
Who the hell cares? It got you back here with another of your excellent commentaries. And that's always great!!
Angie
He said he was leaving "for the meantime", which, at the time, was good enough for me.
Who the hell cares? It got you back here with another of your excellent commentaries. And that's always great!!
Angie
My dear concerned zionist, oh how I laugh at the way you twist reality into a strawman argument which you then crush with brilliant wit! We must work together to type utter filth and garbage, and promote it.
A concerned zionist, for those that don't know, is a crazed israel-hating loon who uses dishonest nonsense to make sarcastic strawman arguments. He makes up ridiculous things, then mocks those things to make his points.
A concerned zionist said: We Zionists need someone with a filthy mouth and no regard for non-Zionist human beings!
RESPONSE: zionists, by definition, is anyone who supports israel's existence. They are not any more likelty to have no regard for other people's lives than anyone else.
A concerned zionist said: We need someone who is willing to shoot a kid in the head and then have the audacity to blame his parents for the murder!
MY RESPONSE: No. Parents should be blamed for allowing their kids to attack heavily armed soldiers. But each person is responsible for his own actions, so if a soldier shoots a kid, that soldier is responsible for doing it. The issue is when it's justified to shoot a crazed loon who is attacking you or not. Still, parents who do not train their kids to be smart are to blame if their kids do something stupid, that's true.
A concerned zionist said: We need someone who is ready to defend the human rights abuses committed by our Zionist SS, which also go by the name "Israeli Defence Force"!
MY RESPONSE: too silly to respond to.
A concerned zionist said: We need someone who believes that the Palestinians are responsible for the Holocaust!
MY RESPONSE: That's absurd. Israelis, if we're going to generalize, don't claim such a thing. People know who did the holocaust.
The rest of what "a concerned zionist" is just too stupid to even repost.
A concerned zionist said: We Zionists need someone with a filthy mouth and no regard for non-Zionist human beings!
RESPONSE: zionists, by definition, is anyone who supports israel's existence. They are not any more likelty to have no regard for other people's lives than anyone else.
A concerned zionist said: We need someone who is willing to shoot a kid in the head and then have the audacity to blame his parents for the murder!
MY RESPONSE: No. Parents should be blamed for allowing their kids to attack heavily armed soldiers. But each person is responsible for his own actions, so if a soldier shoots a kid, that soldier is responsible for doing it. The issue is when it's justified to shoot a crazed loon who is attacking you or not. Still, parents who do not train their kids to be smart are to blame if their kids do something stupid, that's true.
A concerned zionist said: We need someone who is ready to defend the human rights abuses committed by our Zionist SS, which also go by the name "Israeli Defence Force"!
MY RESPONSE: too silly to respond to.
A concerned zionist said: We need someone who believes that the Palestinians are responsible for the Holocaust!
MY RESPONSE: That's absurd. Israelis, if we're going to generalize, don't claim such a thing. People know who did the holocaust.
The rest of what "a concerned zionist" is just too stupid to even repost.
I did not write this post above, my friend.
My spiel re the wall in another thread has obviously upset a few folk here who, instead of pointing us to "facts" re said wall, have decided to harass me for the rest of the night.
I suggest that you (whoever you are) leave my dear concerned zionist out of your pathetic mix.
My spiel re the wall in another thread has obviously upset a few folk here who, instead of pointing us to "facts" re said wall, have decided to harass me for the rest of the night.
I suggest that you (whoever you are) leave my dear concerned zionist out of your pathetic mix.
what about the parents who allow their kids to ride buses thus partly responsible for their childrens untimely passing?
I did write this post above, my friend.
My spiel re the wall in another thread has obviously upset a few folk here who, have pointed us to "facts" re said wall, which I'm too dumb to comprehend and too cowardly to accept.
I suggest that you (whoever you are) leave my dear concerned zionist out of your pathetic mix lest I smite you with my red head temper!
My spiel re the wall in another thread has obviously upset a few folk here who, have pointed us to "facts" re said wall, which I'm too dumb to comprehend and too cowardly to accept.
I suggest that you (whoever you are) leave my dear concerned zionist out of your pathetic mix lest I smite you with my red head temper!
Angie: "it is an established fact that for the first 30 day period into the rebellion, there was not a SINGLE Israeli killed"
It's an established fact 2 Israelis were murdered: David Biri, 19, of Jerusalem, was fatally wounded in a bombing near Netzarim in the Gaza Strip, on Sep 27; Yossi Tabaja, 27, of Ramle was shot to death by his Palestinian counterpart on a joint patrol near Kalkilya, on Sep 29; Yosef Madhat, 19, of Beit Jann, died of gunshot wounds sustained in a gun battle with Palestinians at Joseph's Tomb in Nablus on Oct 1, 2000; Oct 2, 2000 - Wichlav Zalsevsky, 24, of Ashdod, was shot in the head in the village of Masha on the trans-Samaria highway.
Sgt. Max Hazan, 20, of Dimona, died of gunshot injuries sustained near Beit Sahur; Oct 8, 2000 - The bullet-riddled body of Hillel Lieberman, 36, of Elon Moreh was found at the southern entrance to Nablus; Oct 12, 2000 - First Cpl. Yosef Avrahami and First Sgt. Vadim Novesche, 33, two reserve IDF soldiers, were lynched by a Palestinian mob at the police building in Ramallah; Oct 19, 2000 - Rabbi Binyamin Herling, 64, of Kedumim, was killed when Fatah members and Palestinian security forces opened fire on a group of Israeli men, women, and children on a trip at Mount Ebal near Nablus.
These are **9** Israelies. Don't wave the words "an established fact" when you don't know crap.
Angie: "in contrast, in the same 30 day period, the Israeli army killed 49 Palestinians, nine of whom were Palestinian protesters."
So there is collateral damage. No military is immune from it, including your own (the fact Canada is not engaged in such activities is irrelevant to the point I'm making). You're the one who frequently deals in fiction not me and don't you try to teach ethics me here.
Angie: "We are well aware that the word "terrorist" has taken on a life of its own following the 9 September 01 attack in the US, and it's a word Israel has adopted as its excuse for every dastardly deed it carries out."
I can't help it that Avneri has lead you to think that. Israel has very good reasons to respond to the very real vicious terrorism it has and is facing; the overwhelming majority of Israel's actions do not fall under the category of dastardly deeds, the opinions and lies of your Israeli friends notwithstanding.
Angie: "It should be damn well ashamed, and so should you, "Anti Angie" for living in Israel and allowing your country to behave in this fashion."
Israel should be very proud for combating terrorism and don't you dare suggest what I should feel, you Canadian priss who types her opinions from the comfort of a quiet and pleasant Canadian province and has no first hand knowledge of what has happened.
If anything, you should admit yourself to a loony bin for entertaining a notion I can singlehandedly allow or stop my country from doing this or that.
I personally think my country is not combating terror seriously enough.
Angie: "Because out of the total of Palestinians who have died at the hands of the IDF, the vast majority of them are civilians. Stop echoing the propaganda Israel throws at the world. You're wasting your time."
That's a lie you've been fed from Avneri or one of your other Israeli anti-Zionist sources. The opposite is true. Stop giving me this crap and droning that false pro-Palestinian propaganda, because YOU are waiting your time by achieving nothing in terms of advancing your pro-Palestinian cause by parroting these lies.
Angie: " It would be more credible to believe that the soldier accidentally killed the four year old if it were not for the fact that every damn time a civilian is killed, there's that same damn excuse. It was an accident."
Don't think your doing me favors by believing what was and is true. I couldn't care less about your excuses to not acknowledge the truth.
Angie: "Should soldiers who are so accident prone be permitted to handle deadly weapons?"
Your question does have merit. Perhaps the Israeli military needs to have a plan introduced to boost soldiers' weapon handling and safety consciousness. But the solution is never in discarding the whole army altogether just because a certain problem exists.
Angie: "Yasser Arafat has been effectively disempowered by Israel and the US, and yet you still heap blame upon him for everything. It is too foolish and too damn brainless to comment on."
Unfortunately the US and Israel haven't genuinely done it; it has been half baked. That's why he has been able to sabotage Abu-Mazen all along. Your feeding only from Avneri and his ilk's views and refusing to broaden your prospective is damn stupid, because you've found a way to perpetuate your anti-Israeliness, facts, truth and logic be damned as far as you're concerned. Your sarcasm is a cheesy substitute for getting really informed and being rational in your analysis of this conflict.
Angie: "Abbas got absolutely nothing from Israel or the US to take back to his people. Nothing."
That's YOUR opinion - a crummy substitute for recognizing what Israel has given the Palestinians - releasing jail inmates (even though it wasn't obliged to under the road map), for instance.
Angie: "Ariel Sharon said the assassinations would continue (and they did, despite the hudna by the Palestinian militants)."
There was no real cease fore from the terrorists' side. There has been an average of 1.5 attacks a day and there have been casualties, not counting the many Qassam missiles which have been fired, causing at times destruction. You can take your LIES and shove them you know up where. You think you'll teach me what has happened?!? Ha!! In your dreams only!
Angie: "Abbas was put in place to take the blame for the US and Israeli inability and lack of interest in the reining in Ariel Sharon. It was all a sham just as all the other so called peace processes have been. A bloody sham, yes, but a sham just the same."
This conspiracy trash you're parroting can't even be dignified with a logical response.
Angie: "Your eyesight is failing, is it not? How else would you make the brain dead comment that I must be "stoned" or have an IQ of "70? I'll repeat this one more time, and kindly pay attention........"
Very funny kiddo. At least you have saved your face...
Angie: "What you really mean is that she's never going to believe our distortions of the truth. And you're right about that!!!"
No, that's what your insane mind is ascribing to me, and I'm damn right about this observation and what I said above!
You see sweetie, YOU are the one who distorts a whim, while most Israel supporters and anti-antisemites remain true to facts and truth.
Angie: "As for your referring to my "guru", Uri Avnery, perhaps you will tell me what you've accomplished in your lifetime that can compare, even remotely, to what he has done in his?"
Kiddie, just in case you haven't noticed, the issue here is not how I stack up against Avneri.
Angie: "If the rest of Israel had followed Uri Avnery's vision fifty plus years ago, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now."
Back then the problem was the illegal Jordanian and Egyptian occupation of the territories in question. But far more important, the Palestinians therein didn't even as much as demand an independent state of their own in these territories, you ignoramus brainwashed fool. Check it out without asking Avneri (giggle/grin/laughter; he might lie about this).
Angie: "Sadly, he has been vilified, physically and verbally abused, barely escaped with his life, and he a Jew living in Israel! You're really kind to your own people, aren't you, especially if they have contrary views."
Look you Canadian priss: don't give me this shit of trying to harp on my conscience for violence that has been perpetrated by other Jews. It won't work. There are violent people in every society; Canadian society is much worse than the Israeli where violence is concerned. This is substantiated.
Apart from this, all you complaints have no bearing on whether Avneri is wrong or right.
Angie: "I am also an admirer of Isreal Shamir, another of your own people; as well as Edward S. Herman, Robert Fisk, Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Amira Hass. And that's only some of them."
Like Israel Shahak, Tom Segev, Avi Shleim, etc. I'm not impressed. The fact Israelis or others happen to be Jewish doesn't make them right, as Ralph has pointed out. The Israeli "new historians" and Revisionists and anti-Zionists are wrong more often than not.
Angie: "I know, I know. The whole world is lying, ganging up on poor little Israel. Don't give me that scenario. Don't insult us with that bit of propaganda any more."
Spare me this sarcastic shit, it doesn't validate your arguments and is actually highlighting your stupidity. You have little to show in terms of facts, truth, rational thinking and logic.
Angie: "The news of your imminent departure from the Board is welcome news, and I hope you're going to take your own wee scant brain with you."
You heard that yesterday from a voice in your own mind, you pathetic cretin/junkie.
PS: I'll disregard the obnoxious anti-Semitic crap from "A concerned Zionist" who seems to be neo-Nazi judging from the morbid Nazi signature he utilizes.
It's an established fact 2 Israelis were murdered: David Biri, 19, of Jerusalem, was fatally wounded in a bombing near Netzarim in the Gaza Strip, on Sep 27; Yossi Tabaja, 27, of Ramle was shot to death by his Palestinian counterpart on a joint patrol near Kalkilya, on Sep 29; Yosef Madhat, 19, of Beit Jann, died of gunshot wounds sustained in a gun battle with Palestinians at Joseph's Tomb in Nablus on Oct 1, 2000; Oct 2, 2000 - Wichlav Zalsevsky, 24, of Ashdod, was shot in the head in the village of Masha on the trans-Samaria highway.
Sgt. Max Hazan, 20, of Dimona, died of gunshot injuries sustained near Beit Sahur; Oct 8, 2000 - The bullet-riddled body of Hillel Lieberman, 36, of Elon Moreh was found at the southern entrance to Nablus; Oct 12, 2000 - First Cpl. Yosef Avrahami and First Sgt. Vadim Novesche, 33, two reserve IDF soldiers, were lynched by a Palestinian mob at the police building in Ramallah; Oct 19, 2000 - Rabbi Binyamin Herling, 64, of Kedumim, was killed when Fatah members and Palestinian security forces opened fire on a group of Israeli men, women, and children on a trip at Mount Ebal near Nablus.
These are **9** Israelies. Don't wave the words "an established fact" when you don't know crap.
Angie: "in contrast, in the same 30 day period, the Israeli army killed 49 Palestinians, nine of whom were Palestinian protesters."
So there is collateral damage. No military is immune from it, including your own (the fact Canada is not engaged in such activities is irrelevant to the point I'm making). You're the one who frequently deals in fiction not me and don't you try to teach ethics me here.
Angie: "We are well aware that the word "terrorist" has taken on a life of its own following the 9 September 01 attack in the US, and it's a word Israel has adopted as its excuse for every dastardly deed it carries out."
I can't help it that Avneri has lead you to think that. Israel has very good reasons to respond to the very real vicious terrorism it has and is facing; the overwhelming majority of Israel's actions do not fall under the category of dastardly deeds, the opinions and lies of your Israeli friends notwithstanding.
Angie: "It should be damn well ashamed, and so should you, "Anti Angie" for living in Israel and allowing your country to behave in this fashion."
Israel should be very proud for combating terrorism and don't you dare suggest what I should feel, you Canadian priss who types her opinions from the comfort of a quiet and pleasant Canadian province and has no first hand knowledge of what has happened.
If anything, you should admit yourself to a loony bin for entertaining a notion I can singlehandedly allow or stop my country from doing this or that.
I personally think my country is not combating terror seriously enough.
Angie: "Because out of the total of Palestinians who have died at the hands of the IDF, the vast majority of them are civilians. Stop echoing the propaganda Israel throws at the world. You're wasting your time."
That's a lie you've been fed from Avneri or one of your other Israeli anti-Zionist sources. The opposite is true. Stop giving me this crap and droning that false pro-Palestinian propaganda, because YOU are waiting your time by achieving nothing in terms of advancing your pro-Palestinian cause by parroting these lies.
Angie: " It would be more credible to believe that the soldier accidentally killed the four year old if it were not for the fact that every damn time a civilian is killed, there's that same damn excuse. It was an accident."
Don't think your doing me favors by believing what was and is true. I couldn't care less about your excuses to not acknowledge the truth.
Angie: "Should soldiers who are so accident prone be permitted to handle deadly weapons?"
Your question does have merit. Perhaps the Israeli military needs to have a plan introduced to boost soldiers' weapon handling and safety consciousness. But the solution is never in discarding the whole army altogether just because a certain problem exists.
Angie: "Yasser Arafat has been effectively disempowered by Israel and the US, and yet you still heap blame upon him for everything. It is too foolish and too damn brainless to comment on."
Unfortunately the US and Israel haven't genuinely done it; it has been half baked. That's why he has been able to sabotage Abu-Mazen all along. Your feeding only from Avneri and his ilk's views and refusing to broaden your prospective is damn stupid, because you've found a way to perpetuate your anti-Israeliness, facts, truth and logic be damned as far as you're concerned. Your sarcasm is a cheesy substitute for getting really informed and being rational in your analysis of this conflict.
Angie: "Abbas got absolutely nothing from Israel or the US to take back to his people. Nothing."
That's YOUR opinion - a crummy substitute for recognizing what Israel has given the Palestinians - releasing jail inmates (even though it wasn't obliged to under the road map), for instance.
Angie: "Ariel Sharon said the assassinations would continue (and they did, despite the hudna by the Palestinian militants)."
There was no real cease fore from the terrorists' side. There has been an average of 1.5 attacks a day and there have been casualties, not counting the many Qassam missiles which have been fired, causing at times destruction. You can take your LIES and shove them you know up where. You think you'll teach me what has happened?!? Ha!! In your dreams only!
Angie: "Abbas was put in place to take the blame for the US and Israeli inability and lack of interest in the reining in Ariel Sharon. It was all a sham just as all the other so called peace processes have been. A bloody sham, yes, but a sham just the same."
This conspiracy trash you're parroting can't even be dignified with a logical response.
Angie: "Your eyesight is failing, is it not? How else would you make the brain dead comment that I must be "stoned" or have an IQ of "70? I'll repeat this one more time, and kindly pay attention........"
Very funny kiddo. At least you have saved your face...
Angie: "What you really mean is that she's never going to believe our distortions of the truth. And you're right about that!!!"
No, that's what your insane mind is ascribing to me, and I'm damn right about this observation and what I said above!
You see sweetie, YOU are the one who distorts a whim, while most Israel supporters and anti-antisemites remain true to facts and truth.
Angie: "As for your referring to my "guru", Uri Avnery, perhaps you will tell me what you've accomplished in your lifetime that can compare, even remotely, to what he has done in his?"
Kiddie, just in case you haven't noticed, the issue here is not how I stack up against Avneri.
Angie: "If the rest of Israel had followed Uri Avnery's vision fifty plus years ago, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now."
Back then the problem was the illegal Jordanian and Egyptian occupation of the territories in question. But far more important, the Palestinians therein didn't even as much as demand an independent state of their own in these territories, you ignoramus brainwashed fool. Check it out without asking Avneri (giggle/grin/laughter; he might lie about this).
Angie: "Sadly, he has been vilified, physically and verbally abused, barely escaped with his life, and he a Jew living in Israel! You're really kind to your own people, aren't you, especially if they have contrary views."
Look you Canadian priss: don't give me this shit of trying to harp on my conscience for violence that has been perpetrated by other Jews. It won't work. There are violent people in every society; Canadian society is much worse than the Israeli where violence is concerned. This is substantiated.
Apart from this, all you complaints have no bearing on whether Avneri is wrong or right.
Angie: "I am also an admirer of Isreal Shamir, another of your own people; as well as Edward S. Herman, Robert Fisk, Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Amira Hass. And that's only some of them."
Like Israel Shahak, Tom Segev, Avi Shleim, etc. I'm not impressed. The fact Israelis or others happen to be Jewish doesn't make them right, as Ralph has pointed out. The Israeli "new historians" and Revisionists and anti-Zionists are wrong more often than not.
Angie: "I know, I know. The whole world is lying, ganging up on poor little Israel. Don't give me that scenario. Don't insult us with that bit of propaganda any more."
Spare me this sarcastic shit, it doesn't validate your arguments and is actually highlighting your stupidity. You have little to show in terms of facts, truth, rational thinking and logic.
Angie: "The news of your imminent departure from the Board is welcome news, and I hope you're going to take your own wee scant brain with you."
You heard that yesterday from a voice in your own mind, you pathetic cretin/junkie.
PS: I'll disregard the obnoxious anti-Semitic crap from "A concerned Zionist" who seems to be neo-Nazi judging from the morbid Nazi signature he utilizes.
I did not write this above post.
For the benefit of readers I'll repeat my post before the mega-missive above. Hopefully that person won't spam anymore.
Angie: "it is an established fact that for the first 30 day period into the rebellion, there was not a SINGLE Israeli killed"
It's an established fact ##9## Israelis were murdered: David Biri, 19, of Jerusalem, was fatally wounded in a bombing near Netzarim in the Gaza Strip, on Sep 27; Yossi Tabaja, 27, of Ramle was shot to death by his Palestinian counterpart on a joint patrol near Kalkilya, on Sep 29; Yosef Madhat, 19, of Beit Jann, died of gunshot wounds sustained in a gun battle with Palestinians at Joseph's Tomb in Nablus on Oct 1, 2000; Oct 2, 2000 - Wichlav Zalsevsky, 24, of Ashdod, was shot in the head in the village of Masha on the trans-Samaria highway.
Sgt. Max Hazan, 20, of Dimona, died of gunshot injuries sustained near Beit Sahur; Oct 8, 2000 - The bullet-riddled body of Hillel Lieberman, 36, of Elon Moreh was found at the southern entrance to Nablus; Oct 12, 2000 - First Cpl. Yosef Avrahami and First Sgt. Vadim Novesche, 33, two reserve IDF soldiers, were lynched by a Palestinian mob at the police building in Ramallah; Oct 19, 2000 - Rabbi Binyamin Herling, 64, of Kedumim, was killed when Fatah members and Palestinian security forces opened fire on a group of Israeli men, women, and children on a trip at Mount Ebal near Nablus.
These are **9** Israelies. Don't wave the words "an established fact" when you don't know crap.
Angie: "in contrast, in the same 30 day period, the Israeli army killed 49 Palestinians, nine of whom were Palestinian protesters."
So there is collateral damage. No military is immune from it, including your own (the fact Canada is not engaged in such activities is irrelevant to the point I'm making). You're the one who frequently deals in fiction, not me, and don't you try to teach me ethics here.
Angie: "We are well aware that the word "terrorist" has taken on a life of its own following the 9 September 01 attack in the US, and it's a word Israel has adopted as its excuse for every dastardly deed it carries out."
I can't help it that Avneri has lead you to think that. Israel has very good reasons to respond to the very real vicious terrorism it has been and is facing; the overwhelming majority of Israel's actions do not fall under the category of dastardly deeds, the opinions and lies of your Israeli friends notwithstanding.
Angie: "It should be damn well ashamed, and so should you, "Anti Angie" for living in Israel and allowing your country to behave in this fashion."
Israel should be very proud for combating terrorism and don't you dare suggest what I should feel, you Canadian priss who types her opinions from the comfort of a quiet and pleasant Canadian province and has no first hand knowledge of what has happened.
If anything, you should admit yourself to a loony bin for entertaining a notion I can singlehandedly allow or stop my country from doing this or that.
I personally think my country is not combating terror seriously enough.
Angie: "Because out of the total of Palestinians who have died at the hands of the IDF, the vast majority of them are civilians. Stop echoing the propaganda Israel throws at the world. You're wasting your time."
That's a lie you've been fed from Avneri or one of your other Israeli anti-Zionist sources. The opposite is true. Stop giving me this crap and droning that false pro-Palestinian propaganda, because YOU are waisting your time by achieving nothing in terms of advancing your pro-Palestinian cause by parroting these lies.
Angie: " It would be more credible to believe that the soldier accidentally killed the four year old if it were not for the fact that every damn time a civilian is killed, there's that same damn excuse. It was an accident."
Don't think you're doing me favors by believing what was and is true. I couldn't care less about your excuses to not acknowledge the truth.
Angie: "Should soldiers who are so accident prone be permitted to handle deadly weapons?"
Your question does have merit.
Perhaps the Israeli military needs to have a plan introduced to boost soldiers' weapons handling and safety consciousness.
But the solution is never in discarding the whole army altogether just because a certain problem exists.
Angie: "Yasser Arafat has been effectively disempowered by Israel and the US, and yet you still heap blame upon him for everything. It is too foolish and too damn brainless to comment on."
Unfortunately the US and Israel haven't genuinely done it; it has been half baked. That's why he has been able to sabotage Abu-Mazen all along.
Your feeding only from Avneri and his ilk's views and refusing to broaden your perspective is damn stupid, because you've found a way to perpetuate your anti-Israeliness and facts, truth and logic be damned as far as you're concerned.
Your sarcasm is a cheesy substitute for getting really informed and being rational in your analysis of this conflict.
Angie: "Abbas got absolutely nothing from Israel or the US to take back to his people. Nothing."
That's YOUR opinion - a crummy substitute for recognizing what Israel has given the Palestinians - releasing jailed inmates (even though it wasn't obliged to under the road map), for instance.
Angie: "Ariel Sharon said the assassinations would continue (and they did, despite the hudna by the Palestinian militants)."
There was no real cease fire from the terrorists' side. There has been an average of 1.5 attacks a day and there have been casualties, not counting the many Qassam missiles which have been fired, causing at times destruction.
You can take your LIES and shove them you know up where. You think you'll teach me what has happened?!? Ha!! In your dreams only!
Angie: "Abbas was put in place to take the blame for the US and Israeli inability and lack of interest in the reining in Ariel Sharon. It was all a sham just as all the other so called peace processes have been. A bloody sham, yes, but a sham just the same."
This conspiracy trash you're parroting can't even be dignified with a logical response.
Angie: "Your eyesight is failing, is it not? How else would you make the brain dead comment that I must be "stoned" or have an IQ of "70? I'll repeat this one more time, and kindly pay attention........"
Very funny kiddo. At least you have saved face...
Angie: "What you really mean is that she's never going to believe our distortions of the truth. And you're right about that!!!"
No, that's what your insane mind is ascribing to me, and I'm damn right about this observation and what I said above!
You see sweetie, YOU are the one who distorts at whim, while most Israel supporters and anti-antisemites on this site remain true to facts and truth.
Angie: "As for your referring to my "guru", Uri Avnery, perhaps you will tell me what you've accomplished in your lifetime that can compare, even remotely, to what he has done in his?"
Kiddie, just in case you haven't noticed, the issue here is not how I stack up against Avneri.
Angie: "If the rest of Israel had followed Uri Avnery's vision fifty plus years ago, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now."
Back then the problem was the illegal Jordanian and Egyptian occupation of the territories in question.
But far more important, the Palestinians therein didn't even as much as demand an independent state of their own in these territories, you ignoramus brainwashed fool. Check it out without asking Avneri (giggle/grin/laughter; he might lie about this).
Angie: "Sadly, he has been vilified, physically and verbally abused, barely escaped with his life, and he a Jew living in Israel! You're really kind to your own people, aren't you, especially if they have contrary views."
Look, you Canadian priss: don't give me this shit of trying to harp on my conscience for violence that has been perpetrated by other Jews. It won't work. There are violent people in every society; Canadian society is much worse than the Israeli where violence is concerned. This is substantiated.
Apart from this, all your complaints have no bearing on whether Avneri is wrong or right.
Angie: "I am also an admirer of Isreal Shamir, another of your own people; as well as Edward S. Herman, Robert Fisk, Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Amira Hass. And that's only some of them."
Like Israel Shahak, Tom Segev, Avi Shleim, etc.
I'm not impressed. The fact Israelis or others happen to be Jewish doesn't make them right, as Ralph has pointed out. The Israeli "new historians" and Revisionists and anti-Zionists are wrong more often than not.
Angie: "I know, I know. The whole world is lying, ganging up on poor little Israel. Don't give me that scenario. Don't insult us with that bit of propaganda any more."
Spare me this sarcastic shit, it doesn't validate your arguments and is actually highlighting your stupidity. You have little to show in terms of facts, truth, rational thinking and logic.
Angie: "The news of your imminent departure from the Board is welcome news, and I hope you're going to take your own wee scant brain with you."
You heard that yesterday from a voice in your own mind, you pathetic cretin/junkie.
PS: I'll disregard the obnoxious anti-Semitic crap from "A concerned Zionist" who seems to be neo-Nazi judging from the morbid Nazi signature he utilizes.
Angie: "it is an established fact that for the first 30 day period into the rebellion, there was not a SINGLE Israeli killed"
It's an established fact ##9## Israelis were murdered: David Biri, 19, of Jerusalem, was fatally wounded in a bombing near Netzarim in the Gaza Strip, on Sep 27; Yossi Tabaja, 27, of Ramle was shot to death by his Palestinian counterpart on a joint patrol near Kalkilya, on Sep 29; Yosef Madhat, 19, of Beit Jann, died of gunshot wounds sustained in a gun battle with Palestinians at Joseph's Tomb in Nablus on Oct 1, 2000; Oct 2, 2000 - Wichlav Zalsevsky, 24, of Ashdod, was shot in the head in the village of Masha on the trans-Samaria highway.
Sgt. Max Hazan, 20, of Dimona, died of gunshot injuries sustained near Beit Sahur; Oct 8, 2000 - The bullet-riddled body of Hillel Lieberman, 36, of Elon Moreh was found at the southern entrance to Nablus; Oct 12, 2000 - First Cpl. Yosef Avrahami and First Sgt. Vadim Novesche, 33, two reserve IDF soldiers, were lynched by a Palestinian mob at the police building in Ramallah; Oct 19, 2000 - Rabbi Binyamin Herling, 64, of Kedumim, was killed when Fatah members and Palestinian security forces opened fire on a group of Israeli men, women, and children on a trip at Mount Ebal near Nablus.
These are **9** Israelies. Don't wave the words "an established fact" when you don't know crap.
Angie: "in contrast, in the same 30 day period, the Israeli army killed 49 Palestinians, nine of whom were Palestinian protesters."
So there is collateral damage. No military is immune from it, including your own (the fact Canada is not engaged in such activities is irrelevant to the point I'm making). You're the one who frequently deals in fiction, not me, and don't you try to teach me ethics here.
Angie: "We are well aware that the word "terrorist" has taken on a life of its own following the 9 September 01 attack in the US, and it's a word Israel has adopted as its excuse for every dastardly deed it carries out."
I can't help it that Avneri has lead you to think that. Israel has very good reasons to respond to the very real vicious terrorism it has been and is facing; the overwhelming majority of Israel's actions do not fall under the category of dastardly deeds, the opinions and lies of your Israeli friends notwithstanding.
Angie: "It should be damn well ashamed, and so should you, "Anti Angie" for living in Israel and allowing your country to behave in this fashion."
Israel should be very proud for combating terrorism and don't you dare suggest what I should feel, you Canadian priss who types her opinions from the comfort of a quiet and pleasant Canadian province and has no first hand knowledge of what has happened.
If anything, you should admit yourself to a loony bin for entertaining a notion I can singlehandedly allow or stop my country from doing this or that.
I personally think my country is not combating terror seriously enough.
Angie: "Because out of the total of Palestinians who have died at the hands of the IDF, the vast majority of them are civilians. Stop echoing the propaganda Israel throws at the world. You're wasting your time."
That's a lie you've been fed from Avneri or one of your other Israeli anti-Zionist sources. The opposite is true. Stop giving me this crap and droning that false pro-Palestinian propaganda, because YOU are waisting your time by achieving nothing in terms of advancing your pro-Palestinian cause by parroting these lies.
Angie: " It would be more credible to believe that the soldier accidentally killed the four year old if it were not for the fact that every damn time a civilian is killed, there's that same damn excuse. It was an accident."
Don't think you're doing me favors by believing what was and is true. I couldn't care less about your excuses to not acknowledge the truth.
Angie: "Should soldiers who are so accident prone be permitted to handle deadly weapons?"
Your question does have merit.
Perhaps the Israeli military needs to have a plan introduced to boost soldiers' weapons handling and safety consciousness.
But the solution is never in discarding the whole army altogether just because a certain problem exists.
Angie: "Yasser Arafat has been effectively disempowered by Israel and the US, and yet you still heap blame upon him for everything. It is too foolish and too damn brainless to comment on."
Unfortunately the US and Israel haven't genuinely done it; it has been half baked. That's why he has been able to sabotage Abu-Mazen all along.
Your feeding only from Avneri and his ilk's views and refusing to broaden your perspective is damn stupid, because you've found a way to perpetuate your anti-Israeliness and facts, truth and logic be damned as far as you're concerned.
Your sarcasm is a cheesy substitute for getting really informed and being rational in your analysis of this conflict.
Angie: "Abbas got absolutely nothing from Israel or the US to take back to his people. Nothing."
That's YOUR opinion - a crummy substitute for recognizing what Israel has given the Palestinians - releasing jailed inmates (even though it wasn't obliged to under the road map), for instance.
Angie: "Ariel Sharon said the assassinations would continue (and they did, despite the hudna by the Palestinian militants)."
There was no real cease fire from the terrorists' side. There has been an average of 1.5 attacks a day and there have been casualties, not counting the many Qassam missiles which have been fired, causing at times destruction.
You can take your LIES and shove them you know up where. You think you'll teach me what has happened?!? Ha!! In your dreams only!
Angie: "Abbas was put in place to take the blame for the US and Israeli inability and lack of interest in the reining in Ariel Sharon. It was all a sham just as all the other so called peace processes have been. A bloody sham, yes, but a sham just the same."
This conspiracy trash you're parroting can't even be dignified with a logical response.
Angie: "Your eyesight is failing, is it not? How else would you make the brain dead comment that I must be "stoned" or have an IQ of "70? I'll repeat this one more time, and kindly pay attention........"
Very funny kiddo. At least you have saved face...
Angie: "What you really mean is that she's never going to believe our distortions of the truth. And you're right about that!!!"
No, that's what your insane mind is ascribing to me, and I'm damn right about this observation and what I said above!
You see sweetie, YOU are the one who distorts at whim, while most Israel supporters and anti-antisemites on this site remain true to facts and truth.
Angie: "As for your referring to my "guru", Uri Avnery, perhaps you will tell me what you've accomplished in your lifetime that can compare, even remotely, to what he has done in his?"
Kiddie, just in case you haven't noticed, the issue here is not how I stack up against Avneri.
Angie: "If the rest of Israel had followed Uri Avnery's vision fifty plus years ago, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now."
Back then the problem was the illegal Jordanian and Egyptian occupation of the territories in question.
But far more important, the Palestinians therein didn't even as much as demand an independent state of their own in these territories, you ignoramus brainwashed fool. Check it out without asking Avneri (giggle/grin/laughter; he might lie about this).
Angie: "Sadly, he has been vilified, physically and verbally abused, barely escaped with his life, and he a Jew living in Israel! You're really kind to your own people, aren't you, especially if they have contrary views."
Look, you Canadian priss: don't give me this shit of trying to harp on my conscience for violence that has been perpetrated by other Jews. It won't work. There are violent people in every society; Canadian society is much worse than the Israeli where violence is concerned. This is substantiated.
Apart from this, all your complaints have no bearing on whether Avneri is wrong or right.
Angie: "I am also an admirer of Isreal Shamir, another of your own people; as well as Edward S. Herman, Robert Fisk, Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Amira Hass. And that's only some of them."
Like Israel Shahak, Tom Segev, Avi Shleim, etc.
I'm not impressed. The fact Israelis or others happen to be Jewish doesn't make them right, as Ralph has pointed out. The Israeli "new historians" and Revisionists and anti-Zionists are wrong more often than not.
Angie: "I know, I know. The whole world is lying, ganging up on poor little Israel. Don't give me that scenario. Don't insult us with that bit of propaganda any more."
Spare me this sarcastic shit, it doesn't validate your arguments and is actually highlighting your stupidity. You have little to show in terms of facts, truth, rational thinking and logic.
Angie: "The news of your imminent departure from the Board is welcome news, and I hope you're going to take your own wee scant brain with you."
You heard that yesterday from a voice in your own mind, you pathetic cretin/junkie.
PS: I'll disregard the obnoxious anti-Semitic crap from "A concerned Zionist" who seems to be neo-Nazi judging from the morbid Nazi signature he utilizes.
In his highly informative and well researched article entitled: "How Sharon and the Likud Party Nurtured the Rise of Hamas and Benefit from its Terrorism", award winning columnist, peace activist, and Middle East analyst, RAY HANANIA wrote:
"Although the Israelis insist that the second Intifadah was responsible for a wave of Israeli killings, the first Israeli wasn't killed until a month into the rebellion. In contrast, during the same thirty days, Israeli soldiers killed 49 Palestinians, including nine Palestinian protesters whose deaths sparked the Intifadah."
Having had my head practically blown off my shoulders from the yelling of certain posters last evening with respect to whether or not Netanyadu sat around doing nothing whilst the Palestinians waited for action on the Oslo Accords, I pointed out that my research led me to Gwynne Dyer, world renowned mlitary analyst and Middle Eastern historian.
In his 6 January 2003 article, entitled "The Strategy of Suicide Bombs", Dr. Dyer talked about the suicide bombing that killed 23 people, mostly African and Asian, who were working the low wage jobs in Israel, formerly done by Palestinians, and how, immediately following this attack, with "wearisome predictability" a Sharon spokesman blamed Yasser Arafat.
The spokesman stated:
"The terrorist attack has earned the Palestinain Authority's stamp of approval. It is a direct result of persistent incitement coming out of the Palestinian Authority and its refusal to rein in the terrorists in its midst".
Dr. Dyer, is, like, what? Disbelieving, he writes:
"Sorry, could you run that by me again? You're talking about Yasser Arafat, the man whose whole career was dedicated to the goal of getting his people recognized as Palestinians (with rights to at least some of the land of what used to be called Palestine), rather than mere refugees with a right only to a tent and daily rations? The man who then risked assassination by his own hardlliners by renouncing terrorism, signing the Oslo Accords with Yitzhak Rabin, and then, after Rabin was assassinated, waiting patiently while Binyamin Netanyahu stalled for three years on fulfilling the terms of the Accords? You reckon he sent the bombers?"
He continues:
"Sharon's spokesman doesn't really believe that Arafat sent the bombers. He's just 'on message" -- the message being that we must discredit Arafat because he's still the really dangerous Palestinian, the one who wants to make a deal.
Sharon isn't interested in making any deal that gives the Palestinians a viable country in what remains of their original territory because that would block his purpose of incorporating much of that land into Israel. So his goal is to paint all Palestinians who want to make a deal as unreasonable terrorists who have no interest in a deal".
NOTE: Instead of calling me every damn derogatory name under the sun, this board would be much better served if the likes of "Anti Angie" and his cohorts presented credible research disproving what I've stated.
In his 6 January 2003 article, entitled "The Strategy of Suicide Bombs", Dr. Dyer talked about the suicide bombing that killed 23 people, mostly African and Asian, who were working the low wage jobs in Israel, formerly done by Palestinians, and how, immediately following this attack, with "wearisome predictability" a Sharon spokesman blamed Yasser Arafat.
The spokesman stated:
"The terrorist attack has earned the Palestinain Authority's stamp of approval. It is a direct result of persistent incitement coming out of the Palestinian Authority and its refusal to rein in the terrorists in its midst".
Dr. Dyer, is, like, what? Disbelieving, he writes:
"Sorry, could you run that by me again? You're talking about Yasser Arafat, the man whose whole career was dedicated to the goal of getting his people recognized as Palestinians (with rights to at least some of the land of what used to be called Palestine), rather than mere refugees with a right only to a tent and daily rations? The man who then risked assassination by his own hardlliners by renouncing terrorism, signing the Oslo Accords with Yitzhak Rabin, and then, after Rabin was assassinated, waiting patiently while Binyamin Netanyahu stalled for three years on fulfilling the terms of the Accords? You reckon he sent the bombers?"
He continues:
"Sharon's spokesman doesn't really believe that Arafat sent the bombers. He's just 'on message" -- the message being that we must discredit Arafat because he's still the really dangerous Palestinian, the one who wants to make a deal.
Sharon isn't interested in making any deal that gives the Palestinians a viable country in what remains of their original territory because that would block his purpose of incorporating much of that land into Israel. So his goal is to paint all Palestinians who want to make a deal as unreasonable terrorists who have no interest in a deal".
NOTE: Instead of calling me every damn derogatory name under the sun, this board would be much better served if the likes of "Anti Angie" and his cohorts presented credible research disproving what I've stated.
You are using the same type of logic against sharon which is used against arafat. the only difference is if it is true about sharon you jsut have to wait a few years and he wil be gone. arafat and his people will be incontrol indefinatly unless somthing is done about it.
Just think
"sharon is a terrorist.. arafat is a terrorist " (I will not the second one is beyond dispute)
"sharon only pretends to want peace - arafat only pretends to want peace"
'sharon manipulates palistinians with the temple mount ... Arafat manipulates abbas and hamas"
need I contunue?
Uris assesment is flawed in that fighting for independance (or power) does not make you LESS likely to use underhanded tactics.. quite the opposite infact.
Just think
"sharon is a terrorist.. arafat is a terrorist " (I will not the second one is beyond dispute)
"sharon only pretends to want peace - arafat only pretends to want peace"
'sharon manipulates palistinians with the temple mount ... Arafat manipulates abbas and hamas"
need I contunue?
Uris assesment is flawed in that fighting for independance (or power) does not make you LESS likely to use underhanded tactics.. quite the opposite infact.
Dear Reality Check,
I am not a crazed Israel hating loon. I am a Zionist, therefore I believe that Israel has the right to subjugate the Palestinian people, invade neighboring countries at will, and ghettoize the Palestinians in refugee camps while at the same time giving their farmland to responsible and politically correct thiefs, whom the Knesset dubs 'Israeli settlers'. So in a way you are right, most of the world sees Zionism for the insane racist ideology that it is, so I guess we Zionists are a bit 'loony'.
As a Zionist, I believe that the IDF has a right to illegally occupy Palestinian and Arab lands, and whenever the Palestinians or anyone else chooses to resist our tanks and IDF stormtroopers, they are terrorists and must be killed. Palestinian mothers are irresponsible and cruelly send out their vicious stone throwing rascals to attack our gun-toting 'boys in green' who are used to beating up people at checkpoints, not actually being confronted by someone who is not afraid to fight back.
These stupid Palestinian kids. They should be happy living under a military occupation which periodically denies them food, medical care, an education, and other rights guaranteed by the UN. How can they dislike being bullied, beaten and shot at on their way to school by our IDF heroes? Kids these days, they're never satisfied! That is why we Zionists have to kill them.
Dear Reality Check, I am on your side. We Zionists need to make Israel safe, and the only we way we can do this is by making life hell for everybody who opposes Zionism, that is anyone who feels that the Palestinians and Arabs are human beings just like everyone else. Anyone who disagrees is an antisemite, even if he or she happens to be Jewish.
We will prevail. The $3 billion we get from George Bush every year guarantees we can silence every voice of dissent with a neverending supply of bulldozers, tanks, and CNN propaganda.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
I am not a crazed Israel hating loon. I am a Zionist, therefore I believe that Israel has the right to subjugate the Palestinian people, invade neighboring countries at will, and ghettoize the Palestinians in refugee camps while at the same time giving their farmland to responsible and politically correct thiefs, whom the Knesset dubs 'Israeli settlers'. So in a way you are right, most of the world sees Zionism for the insane racist ideology that it is, so I guess we Zionists are a bit 'loony'.
As a Zionist, I believe that the IDF has a right to illegally occupy Palestinian and Arab lands, and whenever the Palestinians or anyone else chooses to resist our tanks and IDF stormtroopers, they are terrorists and must be killed. Palestinian mothers are irresponsible and cruelly send out their vicious stone throwing rascals to attack our gun-toting 'boys in green' who are used to beating up people at checkpoints, not actually being confronted by someone who is not afraid to fight back.
These stupid Palestinian kids. They should be happy living under a military occupation which periodically denies them food, medical care, an education, and other rights guaranteed by the UN. How can they dislike being bullied, beaten and shot at on their way to school by our IDF heroes? Kids these days, they're never satisfied! That is why we Zionists have to kill them.
Dear Reality Check, I am on your side. We Zionists need to make Israel safe, and the only we way we can do this is by making life hell for everybody who opposes Zionism, that is anyone who feels that the Palestinians and Arabs are human beings just like everyone else. Anyone who disagrees is an antisemite, even if he or she happens to be Jewish.
We will prevail. The $3 billion we get from George Bush every year guarantees we can silence every voice of dissent with a neverending supply of bulldozers, tanks, and CNN propaganda.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
This board would be much better served if YOU (Angie) and your ilk do away with your pathetic attempts to rebel against established facts and quit disseminating horseshit in plenty just because you feel at home here.
Quoting lies from Ray Hanania, a Palestinian American author, don't make your case against indisputable facts.
Quoting lies from Ray Hanania, a Palestinian American author, don't make your case against indisputable facts.
Antizionist humanists,
Stop disseminating the truth immediately! Do not rebel against the established facts that our corporate media organizations spoonfeed you everyday!
Israel is perfect! There is no military occupation of Palestinian lands! There was no massacre in Sabra and Shatila! Beirut was not bombed by the Israeli Air Force! The dead Lebanese civilians killed themselves with Israeli weapons just to give the IDF a bad name!
Amnesty International and other human rights groups are evil antizionist organizations who document atrocities really committed by the PLO, and then blame them on Ariel Sharon. Palestinian children are really shot by Hamas terrorists wearing Israeli uniforms! The attack on Jenin did not occur, and if it did occur, the Israeli army cannot be held responsible for any civilians that were shot, run over, or bulldozed alive by our IDF 'boys in green'. Everyone knows that Israeli bullets are specially manufactured not to hurt anybody!
Rachel Corrie was, as we all know, a dangerous terrorist trying to destroy Israel. Her defence of the human rights of the Palestinians was an unforgivable attack against the Zionist system. Human rights stand for everything our fuhrer Ariel Sharon despises and hates. The heroic bulldozer driver quickly liquidated the red headed terrorist before she could stop the Zionist IDF heroes from their mission of ethnic cleansing and oppression.
Antisemites, especially like Uri Avnery and Jews Against The Occupation, try to portray our oppression and ethnic cleansing in the Gaza and West Bank as something wrong.
Oppression and ethnic cleansing are not wrong! They are what Zionism is all about!
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Stop disseminating the truth immediately! Do not rebel against the established facts that our corporate media organizations spoonfeed you everyday!
Israel is perfect! There is no military occupation of Palestinian lands! There was no massacre in Sabra and Shatila! Beirut was not bombed by the Israeli Air Force! The dead Lebanese civilians killed themselves with Israeli weapons just to give the IDF a bad name!
Amnesty International and other human rights groups are evil antizionist organizations who document atrocities really committed by the PLO, and then blame them on Ariel Sharon. Palestinian children are really shot by Hamas terrorists wearing Israeli uniforms! The attack on Jenin did not occur, and if it did occur, the Israeli army cannot be held responsible for any civilians that were shot, run over, or bulldozed alive by our IDF 'boys in green'. Everyone knows that Israeli bullets are specially manufactured not to hurt anybody!
Rachel Corrie was, as we all know, a dangerous terrorist trying to destroy Israel. Her defence of the human rights of the Palestinians was an unforgivable attack against the Zionist system. Human rights stand for everything our fuhrer Ariel Sharon despises and hates. The heroic bulldozer driver quickly liquidated the red headed terrorist before she could stop the Zionist IDF heroes from their mission of ethnic cleansing and oppression.
Antisemites, especially like Uri Avnery and Jews Against The Occupation, try to portray our oppression and ethnic cleansing in the Gaza and West Bank as something wrong.
Oppression and ethnic cleansing are not wrong! They are what Zionism is all about!
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Ray Hanania is a Palestinian Arab American, a middle east analyst and syndicated columnist, an award winning former journalist whose columns analyzing events in the middle east are carried in major American newspapers, the Midle East, Europe, and Asia.
If you have a problem with anything he says, Mr. Nasty, take it up with him.
If you have a problem with anything he says, Mr. Nasty, take it up with him.
Antizionist "humanists",
Stop disseminating your lies immediately! Do not rebel against the established facts media organizations with no distinct antisemitic affiliation provide you with everyday!
Israel is mostly on the right! There is military occupation of historically Jewish, NON-Palestinian lands! The massacre in Sabra and Shatila was NOT performed by Zionists! Beirut was bombed by the Israeli Air Force for many justifiable reasons! Ocassionally some Lebanese civilians got killed with Israeli weapons but terrorists were dealt a huge blow!
Amnesty International and other human rights groups are profoundly one-sided, Pro-Palestinian organizations who also document atrocities really committed by the PLO, and then blame them on Ariel Sharon! Palestinian children are really shot by Hamas terrorists wearing Israeli uniforms, like Muhammad a-Dura! The attack on Palestinian terrorists in Jenin occured, and the Israeli army cannot be held responsible for any civilians that were shot in the midst of battle by IDF soldiers. There was no massacre in Jenin! Everyone knows that the Israeli military on the whole is more sensitive to the problem of non-combatant casualties than any other army on the planet!
Rachel Corrie was, as we all know, a looned brainwashed antizionist intent on unconciously helping Hamas terrorists, at the very least. Her largely misplaced and excessive defence of the human rights of the Palestinian terrorists and those who supported them was an insult to the value system of decent non-partisan peace activists. Human rights stand for everything our fuhrer Yasser Arafat despises and hates. The bulldozer operater didn't notice the foolish ISM activist who thought she could stop the IDF from their mission of destroying the home a Palestinian terrorist lived in beforehand.
Antizionists, especially like Uri Avnery and Jews Against The Occupation, try to portray what they view as oppression and ethnic cleansing in the Gaza and West Bank as something wrong.
Palestinian oppression of their own kind and ethnic cleansing against Jews are wrong! They are what Palestinianism is all about!
Heil Arafat, Heil Hitler!
- A concerned Zionist
Stop disseminating your lies immediately! Do not rebel against the established facts media organizations with no distinct antisemitic affiliation provide you with everyday!
Israel is mostly on the right! There is military occupation of historically Jewish, NON-Palestinian lands! The massacre in Sabra and Shatila was NOT performed by Zionists! Beirut was bombed by the Israeli Air Force for many justifiable reasons! Ocassionally some Lebanese civilians got killed with Israeli weapons but terrorists were dealt a huge blow!
Amnesty International and other human rights groups are profoundly one-sided, Pro-Palestinian organizations who also document atrocities really committed by the PLO, and then blame them on Ariel Sharon! Palestinian children are really shot by Hamas terrorists wearing Israeli uniforms, like Muhammad a-Dura! The attack on Palestinian terrorists in Jenin occured, and the Israeli army cannot be held responsible for any civilians that were shot in the midst of battle by IDF soldiers. There was no massacre in Jenin! Everyone knows that the Israeli military on the whole is more sensitive to the problem of non-combatant casualties than any other army on the planet!
Rachel Corrie was, as we all know, a looned brainwashed antizionist intent on unconciously helping Hamas terrorists, at the very least. Her largely misplaced and excessive defence of the human rights of the Palestinian terrorists and those who supported them was an insult to the value system of decent non-partisan peace activists. Human rights stand for everything our fuhrer Yasser Arafat despises and hates. The bulldozer operater didn't notice the foolish ISM activist who thought she could stop the IDF from their mission of destroying the home a Palestinian terrorist lived in beforehand.
Antizionists, especially like Uri Avnery and Jews Against The Occupation, try to portray what they view as oppression and ethnic cleansing in the Gaza and West Bank as something wrong.
Palestinian oppression of their own kind and ethnic cleansing against Jews are wrong! They are what Palestinianism is all about!
Heil Arafat, Heil Hitler!
- A concerned Zionist
and stop your stupid attempts to run away from the fact there were 9 Israeli casualties during the first 30 days of the intifada.
Either you acknowledge this fact or become silent. Unless you want to discuss something/s other than that fact.
Either you acknowledge this fact or become silent. Unless you want to discuss something/s other than that fact.
Hi, Concerned Zionist,
Hey, this is my lucky day! I have just read two of your posts on the same thread! That's what I like to see when I stumble from my bed and scan the Board.
Bravo, my friend.
Angie
(PS And I suppose the phrase "my friend" will cause Mr. Nasty above to come back on the board accusing me of lying again.. Thus far, myself, my "guru" (giggle, don't you just love it!!!) Uri Avnery, and well respected Ray Hanania are - gasp - lying!!! That is, I've noticed, a zionist trait - always accusations of lying tossed hither and yon. Curious, that. And getting more so as we speak!!
PSS My new name for your "illustrious leader" (ahem!) is Sharon the Wicked. Well, it's better and more fitting, shall we say, than "Bulldozer", which (according to Ray Hanania - now he might be "lying" again!) his friends and fanatics (if there's a difference) call him! We have to tell it like it is after all!!
God bless, etc., etc.
When I notice a lie I insist on calling a spade a spade; I don't care who makes it or how often it or other lies are being sounded.
Gee, who knows what you would do without the internet. Seems like the net was made for people like you (for all I've noticed you've been fairly open, candid and revealing of your way of life, far more than other anti-Zionists have.).
Gee, who knows what you would do without the internet. Seems like the net was made for people like you (for all I've noticed you've been fairly open, candid and revealing of your way of life, far more than other anti-Zionists have.).
Ye'ah, I'd say he's probably a high ranking official with them. Why would I say that, you no doubt are wondering in bewilderment. Don't let bewilderment stand in the way , my friends. Read and learn, form your own opinions here.
Since Saturday "Anti-Angie" has shouted out orders from every post (sometimes multiple orders), demanding I do this, not do that, go here, stay there, etc. Here are some examples (and if I missed any, I'll drop off an addendum):
a) stop disseminating horseshit in plenty because you feel at home here;
b) don't try to teach me ethics here;
c) don't you dare suggest what I should feel, you Canadian priss
d) stop giving me this crap and droning that false pro Palestinian propaganda;
e) you can take your lies and shove them you know where;
f) look, you Canadian priss, don't give me this shit of trying to harp on my conscience for violence that has been perpetrated by other Jews;
g) I have no will to deal anymore with someone of your scarce brain power so run along and scram;
h) just scram and don't make me come back here to reply to additional nasty provocations coming out of your keyboard;
i) so run along and stop wasting our time. Go away.
j) Angie, you've wasted enough of my time so run along;
k) anyway could you stop babblling about impersonators
l) and stop your stupid attempts to run away from the fact
m) either you acknowledge this fact or you become silent.
And people out there might wonder why I'm totally exhausted of late!
Since Saturday "Anti-Angie" has shouted out orders from every post (sometimes multiple orders), demanding I do this, not do that, go here, stay there, etc. Here are some examples (and if I missed any, I'll drop off an addendum):
a) stop disseminating horseshit in plenty because you feel at home here;
b) don't try to teach me ethics here;
c) don't you dare suggest what I should feel, you Canadian priss
d) stop giving me this crap and droning that false pro Palestinian propaganda;
e) you can take your lies and shove them you know where;
f) look, you Canadian priss, don't give me this shit of trying to harp on my conscience for violence that has been perpetrated by other Jews;
g) I have no will to deal anymore with someone of your scarce brain power so run along and scram;
h) just scram and don't make me come back here to reply to additional nasty provocations coming out of your keyboard;
i) so run along and stop wasting our time. Go away.
j) Angie, you've wasted enough of my time so run along;
k) anyway could you stop babblling about impersonators
l) and stop your stupid attempts to run away from the fact
m) either you acknowledge this fact or you become silent.
And people out there might wonder why I'm totally exhausted of late!
Is someone copying your style of wrting along with your name?
Check out the post above.
Angie
When one is scrambling to follow so many orders (pant, gasp - water, please) it is not surprising to miss one or two. Here are the others:
n) Do you have any kids of your own? If not, you should make one ...
o) if you can't handle the facts, shut up.
And now I'm off to consult with my "guru", dear Uri (giggle). Today we are going to talk about "Betrayal at Camp David". Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait!!! I've never had a "guru" before, you see, so it's all so new and fascinating, etc., etc. I am so totally thrilled!
Bye 'til later, all.
PS Well, actually I am going off to work, but we must let "Anti Angie" think I'm going off for a consultation with my guru. Poor lad! He's so convinced Uri is my guru I'd hate to disillusion him.
I, in fact, read his "Betrayal at Camp David" last evening, and it was fascinating, and, as always, so well written. If I were to have a guru, which I don't, nor do I want one, it would certainly be Uri, however. But that's just an "if", and "if" is an illusion. Just ask Roger Whittaker!
Dear Angie,
Someone is indeed copying my style of writing and then posting my name. This primitive tactic is often used by us Zionists when we run out of things to say. If you examine the impostors' 'work' carefully, you will see that his post is identical to mine, but the words have been changed around. Many Zionists and other rabid bigots do not have the time or wits to form their own ideas, so they do this kind of thing. It is quite understandable- when you are busy violating the Geneva Conventions, you don't have time for thinking about your actions. It's hard to get a realistic look at the situation in the Middle East when the only literary source that you are capable of reading is an IDF manual. It is rare for Zionists to attack other Zionists, but animals often behave in a different way than most human beings.
So I will disregard my Zionist friend and continue writing my posts. Maybe he needs his rabies shots, or perhaps just a normal vaccination will do. I won't bother to point out his barking, because most intelligent people on this Board know who writes what here, anyways. I won't bother pointing out what was spammed and what wasn't.
Spamming is nothing more than a sign of pathetic immaturity and an absence of any original ideas, regardless of whoever does it. It is very likely that this post will also be spammed and many others that I write in the future will be spammed as well.
There is no point in getting angry or frustrated at an animal for not acting like a human being. That is what makes the animal kingdom so unique.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Someone is indeed copying my style of writing and then posting my name. This primitive tactic is often used by us Zionists when we run out of things to say. If you examine the impostors' 'work' carefully, you will see that his post is identical to mine, but the words have been changed around. Many Zionists and other rabid bigots do not have the time or wits to form their own ideas, so they do this kind of thing. It is quite understandable- when you are busy violating the Geneva Conventions, you don't have time for thinking about your actions. It's hard to get a realistic look at the situation in the Middle East when the only literary source that you are capable of reading is an IDF manual. It is rare for Zionists to attack other Zionists, but animals often behave in a different way than most human beings.
So I will disregard my Zionist friend and continue writing my posts. Maybe he needs his rabies shots, or perhaps just a normal vaccination will do. I won't bother to point out his barking, because most intelligent people on this Board know who writes what here, anyways. I won't bother pointing out what was spammed and what wasn't.
Spamming is nothing more than a sign of pathetic immaturity and an absence of any original ideas, regardless of whoever does it. It is very likely that this post will also be spammed and many others that I write in the future will be spammed as well.
There is no point in getting angry or frustrated at an animal for not acting like a human being. That is what makes the animal kingdom so unique.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Love it, my lad! Great response! Great composure. A few chuckles! Lots of insight.
Who could ask for anything more! No wonder I'm such a huge fan!!!
Angie
(applauding and grinning at the same time; we can do that here in Canada, you know, or at least I trust you can too out there in Asper land???)
Dear impersonator,
I know I promised not to pay any attention to your amazingy stupid spam- even most Zionists I know have enough brains to write their own posts instead of changing someone else's words and then pretending that person wrote that nonsense even though the original post can be easily found above- but I can't help asking you something.
What exactly is 'palestinainism', my friend? Before you answer that, could you please let me know what is 'palestinain'? Is it a common practice in the IDF propaganda department to make up nonexistent words, or did you mean to write 'Palestinian'? If you don't know how to spell that is understandable, but you may want to think of buying or downloading a version of 'Hooked on Phonics' so you will remain just an annoying spammer, instead of an annoying spammer who can't even spell properly.
Which brings me to my next point- what is 'palestinianism'- assuming that that is what you meant. I looked in several dictionaries, but couldn't find this amazing word you seemed to so eloquently cough up.
Are you writing your own dictionary? A book? That is very good for you, your grade three teacher must be very proud. What colour of crayons are you using? Red and yellow make orange, did you know that? Remember not to chew on the crayons too much or try to eat them, or you may get a tummy-ache. Look both ways before crossing the street. Don't pet strange dogs. Don't sniff glue. Just because chapstick may smell nice doesn't mean you should swallow it. And perhaps you should stay out of political matters until you grow a little bit older- when you can spell it, maybe you'll be able to understand it.
Good luck in school, little buddy!
- A concerned Zionist
I know I promised not to pay any attention to your amazingy stupid spam- even most Zionists I know have enough brains to write their own posts instead of changing someone else's words and then pretending that person wrote that nonsense even though the original post can be easily found above- but I can't help asking you something.
What exactly is 'palestinainism', my friend? Before you answer that, could you please let me know what is 'palestinain'? Is it a common practice in the IDF propaganda department to make up nonexistent words, or did you mean to write 'Palestinian'? If you don't know how to spell that is understandable, but you may want to think of buying or downloading a version of 'Hooked on Phonics' so you will remain just an annoying spammer, instead of an annoying spammer who can't even spell properly.
Which brings me to my next point- what is 'palestinianism'- assuming that that is what you meant. I looked in several dictionaries, but couldn't find this amazing word you seemed to so eloquently cough up.
Are you writing your own dictionary? A book? That is very good for you, your grade three teacher must be very proud. What colour of crayons are you using? Red and yellow make orange, did you know that? Remember not to chew on the crayons too much or try to eat them, or you may get a tummy-ache. Look both ways before crossing the street. Don't pet strange dogs. Don't sniff glue. Just because chapstick may smell nice doesn't mean you should swallow it. And perhaps you should stay out of political matters until you grow a little bit older- when you can spell it, maybe you'll be able to understand it.
Good luck in school, little buddy!
- A concerned Zionist
Dear impersonator,
I know I promised not to pay any attention to your amazingy stupid spam- but I can't help it because I am after all an attention craving nutter. You, my friend, hit a nerve, since your comments were right on the mark! Most Zionists, unlike most anti-zionists I know - myself included-, have enough brains to write their own posts instead of changing someone else's words- but I can't help asking you something.
What exactly is 'palestinainism', my friend?I know it
stands for the Palestinian national movement. If we coined the word 'zionism', why should we not use the word 'palestinainism'? Before you answer that, could you please let me know what is 'palestinain'? You see, I'm a dumbass playing mind games with my lame ass brain. Is it a common practice in the Nazi propaganda department to make up phrases detached from reality on the ground, or did you mean to write 'Heil Hitler', Heil Yassin', 'Heil Rantisi'? If you don't know how to spell that is understandable- you are a Nazi after all, but you may want to think of buying or downloading a version of 'Hooked on Sensible Phrases' so you will remain just an annoying Nazi spammer, instead of an annoying Nazi spammer who reveals his Nazi bias so plainly.
Which brings me to my next point- what is 'palestinianism'- assuming that that is what you meant? I know. I looked in several dictionaries, but couldn't find this amazing word you seemed to so eloquently cough up. Nevertheless, I know exactly what yo meant.
Are you writing your own dictionary? A book? That is very good for you, your kindergarten teacher must be very proud. What colour of crayons are you using? Red and yellow make orange, did you know that? Remember not to chew on the crayons too much or try to eat them, or you may get a tummy-ache. Look both ways before crossing the street. Don't pet strange dogs. Don't sniff glue. Just because chapstick may smell nice doesn't mean you should swallow it. And perhaps you should stay out of political matters until you grow a little bit older and less Nazi- when you can be sane, maybe you'll be able to get sober.
Heil Hitler, Heil Yassin, Heil Rantisi
- A concerned Zionist
I know I promised not to pay any attention to your amazingy stupid spam- but I can't help it because I am after all an attention craving nutter. You, my friend, hit a nerve, since your comments were right on the mark! Most Zionists, unlike most anti-zionists I know - myself included-, have enough brains to write their own posts instead of changing someone else's words- but I can't help asking you something.
What exactly is 'palestinainism', my friend?I know it
stands for the Palestinian national movement. If we coined the word 'zionism', why should we not use the word 'palestinainism'? Before you answer that, could you please let me know what is 'palestinain'? You see, I'm a dumbass playing mind games with my lame ass brain. Is it a common practice in the Nazi propaganda department to make up phrases detached from reality on the ground, or did you mean to write 'Heil Hitler', Heil Yassin', 'Heil Rantisi'? If you don't know how to spell that is understandable- you are a Nazi after all, but you may want to think of buying or downloading a version of 'Hooked on Sensible Phrases' so you will remain just an annoying Nazi spammer, instead of an annoying Nazi spammer who reveals his Nazi bias so plainly.
Which brings me to my next point- what is 'palestinianism'- assuming that that is what you meant? I know. I looked in several dictionaries, but couldn't find this amazing word you seemed to so eloquently cough up. Nevertheless, I know exactly what yo meant.
Are you writing your own dictionary? A book? That is very good for you, your kindergarten teacher must be very proud. What colour of crayons are you using? Red and yellow make orange, did you know that? Remember not to chew on the crayons too much or try to eat them, or you may get a tummy-ache. Look both ways before crossing the street. Don't pet strange dogs. Don't sniff glue. Just because chapstick may smell nice doesn't mean you should swallow it. And perhaps you should stay out of political matters until you grow a little bit older and less Nazi- when you can be sane, maybe you'll be able to get sober.
Heil Hitler, Heil Yassin, Heil Rantisi
- A concerned Zionist
Wow, with an intellect like the fake "Concerned Zionist", I daresay he could answer lots of heavy questions. LIke, 1 + 1 again is what?
In this extract of his pathetic spam of my post, the impersonator just admitted to being a Nazi:
Is it a common practice in the Nazi propaganda department to make up phrases detached from reality on the ground, or did you mean to write 'Heil Hitler', Heil Yassin', 'Heil Rantisi'? If you don't know how to spell that is understandable- you are a Nazi after all, but you may want to think of buying or downloading a version of 'Hooked on Sensible Phrases' so you will remain just an annoying Nazi spammer, instead of an annoying Nazi spammer who reveals his Nazi bias so plainly.
he wrote to himself ( I have no idea why people write letters to themselves online for everyone to see, but seeing a qualified psychiatrist wouldn't be a bad idea for this individual), signing off under ' A concerned Zionist'.
I just thought the impersonator was one of us Zionist stormtroopers, but he just admitted to being a Nazi.
Wow, he's a step below even us! One of the only things in the world that is worse than an idiot who sucks up to Ariel Sharon is an idiot who salutes to Hitler, even though the prick is dead.
But once again, my apologies for making an issue about this pathetic individual. At first I believed he was a Zionist. Then a dog. Now it turns out he is actually a Nazi.
All the more worth ignoring.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Is it a common practice in the Nazi propaganda department to make up phrases detached from reality on the ground, or did you mean to write 'Heil Hitler', Heil Yassin', 'Heil Rantisi'? If you don't know how to spell that is understandable- you are a Nazi after all, but you may want to think of buying or downloading a version of 'Hooked on Sensible Phrases' so you will remain just an annoying Nazi spammer, instead of an annoying Nazi spammer who reveals his Nazi bias so plainly.
he wrote to himself ( I have no idea why people write letters to themselves online for everyone to see, but seeing a qualified psychiatrist wouldn't be a bad idea for this individual), signing off under ' A concerned Zionist'.
I just thought the impersonator was one of us Zionist stormtroopers, but he just admitted to being a Nazi.
Wow, he's a step below even us! One of the only things in the world that is worse than an idiot who sucks up to Ariel Sharon is an idiot who salutes to Hitler, even though the prick is dead.
But once again, my apologies for making an issue about this pathetic individual. At first I believed he was a Zionist. Then a dog. Now it turns out he is actually a Nazi.
All the more worth ignoring.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Palestinian Hamas supporters clap hands while chanting anti-Israeli slogans in Gaza city following the suicide attack in Jerusalem, late Tuesday Sept. 9, 2003. A suicide bomber blew himself up at a Jerusalem cafe Tuesday night, killing at least six people and wounding more than 30 others, Israeli rescue workers and witnesses said. (AP Photo/Adel Hana)
Evil Hamas supporters clap their hands and dance when hearing of horrific suicide bombings in Israel.
Whenever a Palestinian man, woman or child is killed by our IDF occupation force, the majority of Israelis act in the politically correct fashion, and respond by going to the movies, a restaurant, anything to ignore the horrible news. Unlike the Hamas, the Israeli public doesn't even take the time to notice the atrocities that we Zionists commit in their name. Of course, when the reports of the killings reach Western agencies, our fuhrer Sharon responds by scooting off to the Yad Vashem Centre and reminding everyone that Hitler was an evil man, so therefore the IDF must be good because they don't speak German and they are therefore to be immune from any criticism.
According to most human beings, both responses are reprehensible.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Whenever a Palestinian man, woman or child is killed by our IDF occupation force, the majority of Israelis act in the politically correct fashion, and respond by going to the movies, a restaurant, anything to ignore the horrible news. Unlike the Hamas, the Israeli public doesn't even take the time to notice the atrocities that we Zionists commit in their name. Of course, when the reports of the killings reach Western agencies, our fuhrer Sharon responds by scooting off to the Yad Vashem Centre and reminding everyone that Hitler was an evil man, so therefore the IDF must be good because they don't speak German and they are therefore to be immune from any criticism.
According to most human beings, both responses are reprehensible.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Evil Hamas supporters clap their hands and dance when hearing of horrific suicide bombings in Israel.
Whenever a Palestinian man, woman or child is killed by IDF, the majority of Israelis do not rejoice and party. They do not get depressed either, knowing these are essentially enemy casualties. It's only natural for people not to mourn other people who were their ideological and/or physical enemies. I'm so infested by hatred for the Israelis and like to bullshit on the net without verifying many facts beforehand that I believe the Israeli public doesn't even take the time to notice the atrocities that some, not most, Israeli soldiers commit in their name. I also ascribe all the atrocities from the Israeli side to all IDF soldiers, whom I brand "Zionists", regardless of the fact there are a few thousand ultra-Orthodox non-Zionist soldiers in the IDF. Of course, I'm so hateful of Sharon that I'm now accusing him of responding to news of Palestinians killed by the IDF - the vast majority of them justifiably - by scooting off to the Yad Vashem Centre and reminding everyone that Hitler was an evil man, so therefore the IDF must be good because they don't speak German and they are therefore to be immune from any criticism. See how cunning my anti-Semitism is?
According to most human beings, my miserable opinions are reprehensible.
Heil Arafat, Heil Yassin, Heil Hitler!
- A concerned Zionist
Whenever a Palestinian man, woman or child is killed by IDF, the majority of Israelis do not rejoice and party. They do not get depressed either, knowing these are essentially enemy casualties. It's only natural for people not to mourn other people who were their ideological and/or physical enemies. I'm so infested by hatred for the Israelis and like to bullshit on the net without verifying many facts beforehand that I believe the Israeli public doesn't even take the time to notice the atrocities that some, not most, Israeli soldiers commit in their name. I also ascribe all the atrocities from the Israeli side to all IDF soldiers, whom I brand "Zionists", regardless of the fact there are a few thousand ultra-Orthodox non-Zionist soldiers in the IDF. Of course, I'm so hateful of Sharon that I'm now accusing him of responding to news of Palestinians killed by the IDF - the vast majority of them justifiably - by scooting off to the Yad Vashem Centre and reminding everyone that Hitler was an evil man, so therefore the IDF must be good because they don't speak German and they are therefore to be immune from any criticism. See how cunning my anti-Semitism is?
According to most human beings, my miserable opinions are reprehensible.
Heil Arafat, Heil Yassin, Heil Hitler!
- A concerned Zionist
Of all the people who are "faked" it is hardest to feel any sympathy for concerned zionist who is after all attempting to "fake" what he thinks a zionist is.
Note I use the word "fake" liberally here because neither concerned zionist nor the other concerned zionist seriously expect you to mistake them for each other (or a real concerned zionist) they are just being ironic.
Note I use the word "fake" liberally here because neither concerned zionist nor the other concerned zionist seriously expect you to mistake them for each other (or a real concerned zionist) they are just being ironic.
If someone wants to add something to this Board, he or she should bring their own creativity and originality to same. Otherwise, leave it.
The real "Concerned Zionist" has been with us almost as long as I have, and he's fun, and endearing, and totally without malicious intent.
It is no fun being forged. Heaven knows I am well aware of that, having spent almost as much time over the past few weeks posting denials as I have posts.
However, there's a huge difference in someone making a comment and putting my name (or yours for that matter) to it, and actually stealing someone else's idea, as is what has happened here.
I don't like it. I sincerely hope my dear Concerned Zionist does not let this sad excuse for a poster upset him or detract him from what he does so well.
You should be more supportive, Scottie. Our own Concerned Zionist didn't just land on the Board, you know. He's family for heaven's sakes.
And certainly I will not be reading any of the fake posts.
PS To my dear Concerned Zionist, keep up the good fight!!! Fakes are just that - fakes! Everyone here knows you're the original!!
The real "Concerned Zionist" has been with us almost as long as I have, and he's fun, and endearing, and totally without malicious intent.
It is no fun being forged. Heaven knows I am well aware of that, having spent almost as much time over the past few weeks posting denials as I have posts.
However, there's a huge difference in someone making a comment and putting my name (or yours for that matter) to it, and actually stealing someone else's idea, as is what has happened here.
I don't like it. I sincerely hope my dear Concerned Zionist does not let this sad excuse for a poster upset him or detract him from what he does so well.
You should be more supportive, Scottie. Our own Concerned Zionist didn't just land on the Board, you know. He's family for heaven's sakes.
And certainly I will not be reading any of the fake posts.
PS To my dear Concerned Zionist, keep up the good fight!!! Fakes are just that - fakes! Everyone here knows you're the original!!
"The real "Concerned Zionist" has been with us almost as long as I have, and he's fun, and endearing, and totally without malicious intent. "
you wouldn't know malicious intent where Jews and/or Zionists are concerned if it came up and punched you in your wee face.
you wouldn't know malicious intent where Jews and/or Zionists are concerned if it came up and punched you in your wee face.
When I saw "Anti Angie" there I almost jumped up and saluted "yes, sir!" Considering all weekend he was barking orders hither and yon (which I duly listed for your reading enjoyment above).
And now, Queen Angie, is going to advise her Court Jester that it's way past the time for bed, and as entertaining as all this may indeed be, I must give myself to sleep, perchance to dream of what the difference might be between malicious intent with respect to jews and zionists and malicious intent as it applies to the rest of us.
And pray it doesn't leap up and hit me in my "wee face".
And now, Queen Angie, is going to advise her Court Jester that it's way past the time for bed, and as entertaining as all this may indeed be, I must give myself to sleep, perchance to dream of what the difference might be between malicious intent with respect to jews and zionists and malicious intent as it applies to the rest of us.
And pray it doesn't leap up and hit me in my "wee face".
Angie - I am not so much disagreeing with you on your point since I dont like being faked myself. However there is some argument for people saying what they mean and giving themselves either normal or realistic names.
concerned zionist is actually quite the opposite and he should call himself either a normal nick (like angie) or one that reflects his personality (like "concerned palistinian" if he was one).
If someone came on here pretending to be a nazi in an attempt to discredit indymedia the editors would justifiably be angy (as they have indicated) the same applies to other political affiliations.
Of course concerned zionist doesnt sound much like a zionist but some people are probably stupid enough to think that is how zionists think and that he might be one. and in tha way he is an inflamatory troll.
"You should be more supportive, Scottie. Our own Concerned Zionist didn't just land on the Board, you know. He's family for heaven's sakes."
Just in the brotherhood of man, sister.
Besides Ive found supporting a "leftie" on here gets me shot in the foot for some strange reason.
concerned zionist is actually quite the opposite and he should call himself either a normal nick (like angie) or one that reflects his personality (like "concerned palistinian" if he was one).
If someone came on here pretending to be a nazi in an attempt to discredit indymedia the editors would justifiably be angy (as they have indicated) the same applies to other political affiliations.
Of course concerned zionist doesnt sound much like a zionist but some people are probably stupid enough to think that is how zionists think and that he might be one. and in tha way he is an inflamatory troll.
"You should be more supportive, Scottie. Our own Concerned Zionist didn't just land on the Board, you know. He's family for heaven's sakes."
Just in the brotherhood of man, sister.
Besides Ive found supporting a "leftie" on here gets me shot in the foot for some strange reason.
our Court Jester whom I referred to as "Your Majesty". Let's hope she doesn't dream of Zionist Jews getting stabbed or blown to smithereens.
I urge you to keep your cool when you get up and read this message.
I urge you to keep your cool when you get up and read this message.
Sorry, Scottie, can't keep eyes open. When you say you supported a "leftie" are you referring to myself? If so, who shot you in the foot? Come on, brother, tell. Have you ever supported me (grinning here or as much as I can grin with my mouth open in a major yawn).
Damn! Hang on a second, there, Jester. The bloody crown is slipping again. That's the major drawback with being Her Majesty. This damn thing weighs a tonne! Ever tried typing with one of those on your head? No, I thought not.
Sorry, laddie. You're too late. I have already, as Her Majesty Most Delightful, designated you to the most suitable role of Court Jester.
However, if this upsets you, causes you untold grief, keeps you awake at night, please advise my Home Secretary. Maybe we can be more accommodating. For instance, how about "Foreign Secretary" or "Minister of Foreign Affairs"? I simply state here that I'm the Queen, not God.
Your hope re my dreams, CJ (giggle) materialized. No victims from either side (lest we forget!) intruded. No "smithereens".
I was, however, rudely awakened from said deep dreamless slumber when my very own 13.11 pound weapon of mass destruction landed on my head. When Freedom wants breakfast, he wants breakfast. A most determind lad, he.
Perhaps we should have volunteered his services to prevent the attack on Iraq.
Had GWBush and Saddam H. been confronted with a hissing, spitting ball of white angora, with a penchent for heads, I daresay the several months of abject horror for the Iraqi people could have been avoided. People, for some strange reason, like to hang on to their heads.
It's too early in the day for me to loose "my cool", AA aka CJ. Don't push your luck, however. It won't always be early in the day.
Sorry, laddie. You're too late. I have already, as Her Majesty Most Delightful, designated you to the most suitable role of Court Jester.
However, if this upsets you, causes you untold grief, keeps you awake at night, please advise my Home Secretary. Maybe we can be more accommodating. For instance, how about "Foreign Secretary" or "Minister of Foreign Affairs"? I simply state here that I'm the Queen, not God.
Your hope re my dreams, CJ (giggle) materialized. No victims from either side (lest we forget!) intruded. No "smithereens".
I was, however, rudely awakened from said deep dreamless slumber when my very own 13.11 pound weapon of mass destruction landed on my head. When Freedom wants breakfast, he wants breakfast. A most determind lad, he.
Perhaps we should have volunteered his services to prevent the attack on Iraq.
Had GWBush and Saddam H. been confronted with a hissing, spitting ball of white angora, with a penchent for heads, I daresay the several months of abject horror for the Iraqi people could have been avoided. People, for some strange reason, like to hang on to their heads.
It's too early in the day for me to loose "my cool", AA aka CJ. Don't push your luck, however. It won't always be early in the day.
What happened? Have you gotten lost? Got caught up in your role as Court Jester? Sleep in or something? Whoops! Sorry, i was the one asleep. But that was a long time ago.
I've been waiting a response to my hilarious wee post above, hoping it will be in similar vein, of course, now that you are the Court Jester. Of course, as I graciously offered, if that causes you grief, etc., we can arrange a more appropriate post.
It's almost 2 a.m. here, so I'll soon be saying good night again!
I've been waiting a response to my hilarious wee post above, hoping it will be in similar vein, of course, now that you are the Court Jester. Of course, as I graciously offered, if that causes you grief, etc., we can arrange a more appropriate post.
It's almost 2 a.m. here, so I'll soon be saying good night again!
If I'm a jester, it would make it the first on this board that a jester had ridiculed his queen.
So Your Majesty, if you'd ever care to quote Ray Hanania or Avneri again only to be refuted by my corrections and exposed as the laughing stock of the "anti-Zionists" on this site, bring it on. Educated readers who aren't junkies will realize who's the real jester.
So Your Majesty, if you'd ever care to quote Ray Hanania or Avneri again only to be refuted by my corrections and exposed as the laughing stock of the "anti-Zionists" on this site, bring it on. Educated readers who aren't junkies will realize who's the real jester.
Guess I should have known you wouldn't know a sense of fun if it hit you in the bleeding head.
You were the one who started all of this. So quit your whining about it.
It's no longer an issue. Carry on, Anti Angie.
Hell, I hate it when I'm right about someone especially when I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
Don't worry about whether or not I'll have a good night. I hate phoney.
You were the one who started all of this. So quit your whining about it.
It's no longer an issue. Carry on, Anti Angie.
Hell, I hate it when I'm right about someone especially when I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
Don't worry about whether or not I'll have a good night. I hate phoney.
You can't judge whether I have or lack a sense of fun through forum discussions on the net. Seems like you're tired and making poor judgements accordingly. Time to hit the sack.
If you had a sense of fun, on the internet or elsewhere, you would not have been SO NASTY in response to my cheerful - and, gasp, friendly - post earlier. So there.
Only you can't tell...and nobody else can.
Your psychic abilities failed you this time around and more often than not will keep letting you down in regards to me.
Your psychic abilities failed you this time around and more often than not will keep letting you down in regards to me.
Of course you could always explain what you mean by that cryptic comment. Psychic abilities? I've never claimed any psychic powers nor thought about them.
Dear Anti Angie,
Neither Angie or anyone else would never dream of Zionist Jews being stabbed or blown to smithereens.
There is no such thing as a Zionist Jew, everyone should know that.
A Jew is a person who believes in God and tries to live according to the Judaic religion and traditions, which are inscribed in the Old Testament and the Torah. A Jew would never throw someone out of their home, shoot at a child on his or her way to school, or deny food, water, and medical supplies to impoverished people living in the squalor of a refugee camp. A Jew believes that s/he is chosen by God to help other people and provide an example of love and compassion for others to follow. Judaism does not belive in discrimination based on either religious or racial reasons- everyone has been created by the same God, so all are equal. Like a Christian or a Muslim, a Jew who lives by his religion is an outstanding example for others around him/her to follow. He belives in saving lives, not taking them.
It is therefore no wonder that we Zionists do not want Jews in our midst! Unlike Jews, our God is money and land and our Zionist religion calls upon us to aquire what we want through the use of bombs, tanks, and bulldozers. Displacing people, murdering children, and denying the necessities of life to people in 'refugee camps'- people who we threw out of their homes before- are only some of the tactics that we use to get what we want. Other Zionist faves include shelling refugee camps ( Qana massacere in 1996), torturing prisoners in detention camps set up especially for that person ( Ansar III, for example), and destroying Palestinian infrastructure ( the Nazlat 'Isa marketplace destroyed on the 22nd of August, 2003) to build a wall that would illegally encompass more Palestinian territory, and which has been condemned by the international community and dubbed the 'apartheid wall'- for us Zionists it is a source of pride, after all, South Africa was one of our best buddies before it fell to the forces of equality. We Zionists don't believe we were chosen by the Jewish god- He must be sick whenever he sees what we do in the name of Judaism- we were chosen by ourselves! We chose ourselves to become yet another imperialist force in the already long suffering Middle East, and judging by the large numbers of refugee camps, destroyed homes, and grieving families from Israel to the Gaza to the Wesr Bank to Lebanon, we have done a pretty damn good job! Like a Fascist or a Stalinist, a Zionist who lives by his/her ideology is a terror to everyone who is unfortunate to have something we want, or who does not fit our racial criteria. We believe all Zionists are equal- our discrimination against others includes discriminationg against Palestinian children in the education system in Israel itself, closing off parts of Palestinian cities to allow settlers to march through the quarters and vandalize Palestinian and Arabic property, and even discriminating against other Jews based on the color of their skin- African Jews, for example, live in poverty and squalor in Israel and are usually confined to the lower paying and menial jobs. A Jew believes in saving lives. We Zionists take what we want, and if lives are lost in the process, then so be it. Our American protectors will give us the $3 billion a year and the sympathetic propaganda coverage we need to excuse our present crimes and plan future ones.
So Anti Angie, please do not affiliate the Jewish people with our movement. We cannot allow Jews to be in the Zionist Jews ( but many of our members like wearing yarmulkes and going to synagogues and pretending to be Jews- it's like Halloween all year round!). There is no such thing as a Zionist Jew.
You really shouldn't affiliate the Jewish people with our Zionist killing machines.
That is one of the worst kinds of modern antisemitism.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Neither Angie or anyone else would never dream of Zionist Jews being stabbed or blown to smithereens.
There is no such thing as a Zionist Jew, everyone should know that.
A Jew is a person who believes in God and tries to live according to the Judaic religion and traditions, which are inscribed in the Old Testament and the Torah. A Jew would never throw someone out of their home, shoot at a child on his or her way to school, or deny food, water, and medical supplies to impoverished people living in the squalor of a refugee camp. A Jew believes that s/he is chosen by God to help other people and provide an example of love and compassion for others to follow. Judaism does not belive in discrimination based on either religious or racial reasons- everyone has been created by the same God, so all are equal. Like a Christian or a Muslim, a Jew who lives by his religion is an outstanding example for others around him/her to follow. He belives in saving lives, not taking them.
It is therefore no wonder that we Zionists do not want Jews in our midst! Unlike Jews, our God is money and land and our Zionist religion calls upon us to aquire what we want through the use of bombs, tanks, and bulldozers. Displacing people, murdering children, and denying the necessities of life to people in 'refugee camps'- people who we threw out of their homes before- are only some of the tactics that we use to get what we want. Other Zionist faves include shelling refugee camps ( Qana massacere in 1996), torturing prisoners in detention camps set up especially for that person ( Ansar III, for example), and destroying Palestinian infrastructure ( the Nazlat 'Isa marketplace destroyed on the 22nd of August, 2003) to build a wall that would illegally encompass more Palestinian territory, and which has been condemned by the international community and dubbed the 'apartheid wall'- for us Zionists it is a source of pride, after all, South Africa was one of our best buddies before it fell to the forces of equality. We Zionists don't believe we were chosen by the Jewish god- He must be sick whenever he sees what we do in the name of Judaism- we were chosen by ourselves! We chose ourselves to become yet another imperialist force in the already long suffering Middle East, and judging by the large numbers of refugee camps, destroyed homes, and grieving families from Israel to the Gaza to the Wesr Bank to Lebanon, we have done a pretty damn good job! Like a Fascist or a Stalinist, a Zionist who lives by his/her ideology is a terror to everyone who is unfortunate to have something we want, or who does not fit our racial criteria. We believe all Zionists are equal- our discrimination against others includes discriminationg against Palestinian children in the education system in Israel itself, closing off parts of Palestinian cities to allow settlers to march through the quarters and vandalize Palestinian and Arabic property, and even discriminating against other Jews based on the color of their skin- African Jews, for example, live in poverty and squalor in Israel and are usually confined to the lower paying and menial jobs. A Jew believes in saving lives. We Zionists take what we want, and if lives are lost in the process, then so be it. Our American protectors will give us the $3 billion a year and the sympathetic propaganda coverage we need to excuse our present crimes and plan future ones.
So Anti Angie, please do not affiliate the Jewish people with our movement. We cannot allow Jews to be in the Zionist Jews ( but many of our members like wearing yarmulkes and going to synagogues and pretending to be Jews- it's like Halloween all year round!). There is no such thing as a Zionist Jew.
You really shouldn't affiliate the Jewish people with our Zionist killing machines.
That is one of the worst kinds of modern antisemitism.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Dear Anti Angie,
I'm saying neither Angie or anyone else would never dream of Zionist Jews being stabbed or blown to smithereens.
There is no such thing as a sincere anti-Israeli poster on this site using the 'A concerned Zionist' alias, everyone should know that.
Now read and marvel in the wonders of my anti-Semitism as I condescend the Jews! how Some Jews believe in God and try to live according to the Judaic religion and traditions, which are inscribed in the Old Testament and the Torah, Talmud and Shulhan Aruch; others do not. I think a Jew would never throw someone out of their home, shoot at a child on his or her way to school, or deny food, water, and medical supplies to impoverished people living in the squalor of a refugee camp. I think a Jew believes that s/he is chosen by God to help other people and provide an example of love and compassion for others to follow. I think Judaism does not belive in discrimination based on either religious or racial reasons- everyone has been created by the same God, so all are equal. Now you're about to realise how misinformed I am: I believe a Jew who lives by his religion is an outstanding example for others around him/her to follow. He believes in saving lives, not taking them, and I mistakingly believe that every pious Christian, even every pious Muslim, are the same.
It is therefore a wonder that so many non-Jews do not want Jews in their midst! Unlike Jews, our God is money and Anglo-American land and our white-supremacist religion calls upon us to aquire what we want through the use of rifles, cannons, and burning torches. Displacing people, murdering children, and denying the necessities of life to people in 'nature reserves- people who we threw out of their homes before- are only some of the tactics that we use to get what we want. At any rate, I accuse the Zionists of shelling refugee camps (what I consider the Qana massacere in 1996), torturing prisoners in detention camps set up especially for that person (the unfounded example of Ansar III), and destroying Palestinian infrastructure (the Nazlat 'Isa marketplace destroyed on the 22nd of August, 2003. There must have been some good reason to do this.) to build a wall that would legally encompass some of what is considered Palestinian territory, and which has been condemned by the international community and dubbed the 'apartheid wall'- for Zionists it is not a source of pride since they deem it a necessary and inescapable means to protect Israelis from terror, but I insist on slandering the Zionists by claiming they view it as a source of pride. South Africa was on good terms with other countries and not only with Israel before it fell to the forces of equality. Secular Zionists don't necessarily believe they were chosen by the Jewish god- see, I'm so patronizing of Jews that I hold He must be sick whenever he sees what I accuse Zionists of doing in the name of Judaism! I accuse Zionists of becoming yet another imperialist force in the already long suffering Middle East, and judging by the large numbers of refugee camps, destroyed homes, and grieving families from Israel to the Gaza to the West Bank to Lebanon, the Palestinians have done a pretty damn good job at inflicting hardship on themselves! But I han it on the Zionists, you know. Like a Fascist or a Stalinist, an extreme anti-Zionist who lives by his/her ideology is a terror to everyone who is unfortunate to have something s/he wants, or who does not fit his/her racial criteria. I believe all Zionists are equal- I accuse all of them for discrimination against others, which includes discriminationg against Palestinian children in the education system in Israel itself, and what I insist also includes closing off parts of Palestinian cities to allow settlers to march through the quarters and vandalize Palestinian and Arabic property, and even discriminating against other Jews based on the color of their skin- I think all African Jews, for example, live in poverty and squalor in Israel and are usually confined to the lower paying and menial jobs. A Jew believes in saving lives. We Zionists take what we want, and if lives are lost in the process, then so be it. America gives Israel $2.7 billion a year and what I with my hate afflicted mind can only describe as the sympathetic propaganda coverage Israel gets to excuse what I view as their present crimes and plans of future ones.
So Anti Angie, please do continue exposing my patrinising anti-Semitism. I cannot allow Jews to be in the Zionist Jews' ranks ( I am fond of cheating myself by accusing religious Zionists of pretending to be Jews that like wearing yarmulkes and going to synagogues!). I love to lie and claim there is no such thing as a Zionist Jew.
I really shouldn't affiliate the Neturei Karta Jews with my anti-Semitic brand of anti-Zionism in order to set the stage for the demise of all other Jews, like ultra-Orthodox Jews who were never asked if they were Zionists prior to getting stabbed and beaten on streets of European cities.
That is one of the worst kinds of modern antisemitism.
Heil Hitler!
- A concerned Zionist
I'm saying neither Angie or anyone else would never dream of Zionist Jews being stabbed or blown to smithereens.
There is no such thing as a sincere anti-Israeli poster on this site using the 'A concerned Zionist' alias, everyone should know that.
Now read and marvel in the wonders of my anti-Semitism as I condescend the Jews! how Some Jews believe in God and try to live according to the Judaic religion and traditions, which are inscribed in the Old Testament and the Torah, Talmud and Shulhan Aruch; others do not. I think a Jew would never throw someone out of their home, shoot at a child on his or her way to school, or deny food, water, and medical supplies to impoverished people living in the squalor of a refugee camp. I think a Jew believes that s/he is chosen by God to help other people and provide an example of love and compassion for others to follow. I think Judaism does not belive in discrimination based on either religious or racial reasons- everyone has been created by the same God, so all are equal. Now you're about to realise how misinformed I am: I believe a Jew who lives by his religion is an outstanding example for others around him/her to follow. He believes in saving lives, not taking them, and I mistakingly believe that every pious Christian, even every pious Muslim, are the same.
It is therefore a wonder that so many non-Jews do not want Jews in their midst! Unlike Jews, our God is money and Anglo-American land and our white-supremacist religion calls upon us to aquire what we want through the use of rifles, cannons, and burning torches. Displacing people, murdering children, and denying the necessities of life to people in 'nature reserves- people who we threw out of their homes before- are only some of the tactics that we use to get what we want. At any rate, I accuse the Zionists of shelling refugee camps (what I consider the Qana massacere in 1996), torturing prisoners in detention camps set up especially for that person (the unfounded example of Ansar III), and destroying Palestinian infrastructure (the Nazlat 'Isa marketplace destroyed on the 22nd of August, 2003. There must have been some good reason to do this.) to build a wall that would legally encompass some of what is considered Palestinian territory, and which has been condemned by the international community and dubbed the 'apartheid wall'- for Zionists it is not a source of pride since they deem it a necessary and inescapable means to protect Israelis from terror, but I insist on slandering the Zionists by claiming they view it as a source of pride. South Africa was on good terms with other countries and not only with Israel before it fell to the forces of equality. Secular Zionists don't necessarily believe they were chosen by the Jewish god- see, I'm so patronizing of Jews that I hold He must be sick whenever he sees what I accuse Zionists of doing in the name of Judaism! I accuse Zionists of becoming yet another imperialist force in the already long suffering Middle East, and judging by the large numbers of refugee camps, destroyed homes, and grieving families from Israel to the Gaza to the West Bank to Lebanon, the Palestinians have done a pretty damn good job at inflicting hardship on themselves! But I han it on the Zionists, you know. Like a Fascist or a Stalinist, an extreme anti-Zionist who lives by his/her ideology is a terror to everyone who is unfortunate to have something s/he wants, or who does not fit his/her racial criteria. I believe all Zionists are equal- I accuse all of them for discrimination against others, which includes discriminationg against Palestinian children in the education system in Israel itself, and what I insist also includes closing off parts of Palestinian cities to allow settlers to march through the quarters and vandalize Palestinian and Arabic property, and even discriminating against other Jews based on the color of their skin- I think all African Jews, for example, live in poverty and squalor in Israel and are usually confined to the lower paying and menial jobs. A Jew believes in saving lives. We Zionists take what we want, and if lives are lost in the process, then so be it. America gives Israel $2.7 billion a year and what I with my hate afflicted mind can only describe as the sympathetic propaganda coverage Israel gets to excuse what I view as their present crimes and plans of future ones.
So Anti Angie, please do continue exposing my patrinising anti-Semitism. I cannot allow Jews to be in the Zionist Jews' ranks ( I am fond of cheating myself by accusing religious Zionists of pretending to be Jews that like wearing yarmulkes and going to synagogues!). I love to lie and claim there is no such thing as a Zionist Jew.
I really shouldn't affiliate the Neturei Karta Jews with my anti-Semitic brand of anti-Zionism in order to set the stage for the demise of all other Jews, like ultra-Orthodox Jews who were never asked if they were Zionists prior to getting stabbed and beaten on streets of European cities.
That is one of the worst kinds of modern antisemitism.
Heil Hitler!
- A concerned Zionist
I see the "fake" Concerned Zionist is back again. What a bird brain! Not a creative idea in his own wee head but eager to steal from someone else.
Please can somebody tell me where this idea of 'shahids' being given 70 virgins comes from?
Its been mentioned in at least two messages but I could not find a reference in Islamic texts.
Thanks
Its been mentioned in at least two messages but I could not find a reference in Islamic texts.
Thanks
The death of Rachel Corrie is to be lamented, as is the death of anyone so young and full of promise. By all accounts she was someone who lived according to the highest principles. That is also the picture that emerges from the letter she wrote to her parents and that you have published here. Two comments:
1. I was struck by the date of her letter, February 7th, 2003, almost a month to the day that terrorists from the Al Akhsa Mosque brigade had blown themselves up at a Tel Aviv bus stop, killing 23 bystanders and injuring more than 100 more. The victims of this attack were not "occupying" contested territories, they were resident in Israel, waiting for their bus -- many of them foreigners. Rachel makes know mention of them in an e-mail she wrote only a month later. You'd think if she were that concerned with the loss of innocent life, she might have seen fit to honor those deaths -- the deaths of innocent jews -- as well, but she isn't.
2. She put herself in harms way. In all of the accounts I've read, she actually climbed up on the edge of the bulldozer's shovel, and perched there, shouting at the driver to stop. Maybe the driver should have stopped, maybe he saw her, maybe he didn't, the important point is, that she chose to put herself in harm's way, the driver didn't chase her down. She bears responsibility for the terrible consequences.
1. I was struck by the date of her letter, February 7th, 2003, almost a month to the day that terrorists from the Al Akhsa Mosque brigade had blown themselves up at a Tel Aviv bus stop, killing 23 bystanders and injuring more than 100 more. The victims of this attack were not "occupying" contested territories, they were resident in Israel, waiting for their bus -- many of them foreigners. Rachel makes know mention of them in an e-mail she wrote only a month later. You'd think if she were that concerned with the loss of innocent life, she might have seen fit to honor those deaths -- the deaths of innocent jews -- as well, but she isn't.
2. She put herself in harms way. In all of the accounts I've read, she actually climbed up on the edge of the bulldozer's shovel, and perched there, shouting at the driver to stop. Maybe the driver should have stopped, maybe he saw her, maybe he didn't, the important point is, that she chose to put herself in harm's way, the driver didn't chase her down. She bears responsibility for the terrible consequences.
There is a major difference between a suicide bombing, which is orchestrated by a small group of individuals, and the kind of state sponsored terrorism that Israel is guilty of committing against the Palestinians. Both actions are undoubtedly reprehensible, but I should like to think that the Israeli government and the Israeli military would hold itself to a higher standard than that of the terrorist groups. I must also ask that you not attempt to degrade the courageous efforts of Rachel; she gave her life attempting to defend those who could not defend themselves. We should all be blessed with such compassion.
" degrade the courageous efforts of Rachel; she gave her life attempting to defend those who could not defend themselves. We should all be blessed with such compassion."
Corrie didn't have cmpassion...she was filled with hatred. She died of stupidity, defending a tunnel used to snuggle weapons.. hardly a "peace" advocate...
Corrie didn't have cmpassion...she was filled with hatred. She died of stupidity, defending a tunnel used to snuggle weapons.. hardly a "peace" advocate...
Last I checked, snuggling weapons was not a crime. I find your attacks against innocent weapons snugglers to be symptomatic of the insidious attempts by both the Bush administration and the government of Ariel Sharon to destroy civil liberties.
To respond to the points you raised: Maybe there was a weapons cache in that home, but i find it hard to believe that that is why Rachel was defending it. (Incidentally, where you present when this took place? How do you know there were weapons?) Even if that was why she was risking her own life, I think the soldiers should have tried other ways of moving her (e.g., by arresting her, physically moving her out of the way, etc.) before deciding to run her over with a bulldozer.
Additionally, you failed to address the crux of my argument--namely, military personel are expected to hold themselves to higher standards than ordinary civilians. Maybe Rachel was acting irrationally, but irrational behavior is not cause for summary execution.
I understand that there are a lot of emotions surrounding these issues. I myself have close friends who have lost relatives in the suicide bombings in Israel, but allowing emotions to govern responses is a surefire way to prolong this violence and the suffering of both the Israelis and the Palestinians.
Also, Rachel did not die for my sins, as I have none.
To respond to the points you raised: Maybe there was a weapons cache in that home, but i find it hard to believe that that is why Rachel was defending it. (Incidentally, where you present when this took place? How do you know there were weapons?) Even if that was why she was risking her own life, I think the soldiers should have tried other ways of moving her (e.g., by arresting her, physically moving her out of the way, etc.) before deciding to run her over with a bulldozer.
Additionally, you failed to address the crux of my argument--namely, military personel are expected to hold themselves to higher standards than ordinary civilians. Maybe Rachel was acting irrationally, but irrational behavior is not cause for summary execution.
I understand that there are a lot of emotions surrounding these issues. I myself have close friends who have lost relatives in the suicide bombings in Israel, but allowing emotions to govern responses is a surefire way to prolong this violence and the suffering of both the Israelis and the Palestinians.
Also, Rachel did not die for my sins, as I have none.
The reality of the matter is that the vast majority of you Zionist live on stolen land and in stolen property. Most of you guys seem to have a warpped and distorted sense of history. The Palestinians owned, tilled and farmed the land that you guys have usurped under various mandates and protective mantles.
To placate justifiable anger as to the holocaust unjustifiable actions followed. Innocent Palestinians were uprooted and kicked out of therir country. If I was kicked out of my home and had to endure the hard ships that these Palestinians have to face Id pick up arms against the oppressor.
If I was a Palestinian that witnessed Chatila and Shebra or even that terrible Israeli mass murder at Qana Id take up arms against you guys. When some of your troops were blinkered by the injustice of the latter shelling of innocent Children ytour commanders placated them with words - "whats anoter Arab". You guys have got to realise that most of us in the West value all human life. Ever read "Pity the Nation" by Robert Fisk" Suggest you do. IT will expose a few home truths about your governement and the Israeli way of dealing with the terrible terror that exudes from a tiny 2 year old kid. Wake up and smell the coffee before you turn the whole world againts you and into "terrorists"
To placate justifiable anger as to the holocaust unjustifiable actions followed. Innocent Palestinians were uprooted and kicked out of therir country. If I was kicked out of my home and had to endure the hard ships that these Palestinians have to face Id pick up arms against the oppressor.
If I was a Palestinian that witnessed Chatila and Shebra or even that terrible Israeli mass murder at Qana Id take up arms against you guys. When some of your troops were blinkered by the injustice of the latter shelling of innocent Children ytour commanders placated them with words - "whats anoter Arab". You guys have got to realise that most of us in the West value all human life. Ever read "Pity the Nation" by Robert Fisk" Suggest you do. IT will expose a few home truths about your governement and the Israeli way of dealing with the terrible terror that exudes from a tiny 2 year old kid. Wake up and smell the coffee before you turn the whole world againts you and into "terrorists"
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