Palestine Solidarity Contingent
Sun, Feb.16, SF - 10 am
Gather with Iraq & Palestine Contingent
@ Yerba Buena Gardens -
on Mission Street between 3rd and 4th
(close to Montgomery and Powell Bart)
JUSTICE AND FREEDOM IN PALESTINE!
US OUT OF THE MIDDLE-EAST!
People around the world are mobilizing for massive anti-war demonstrations against the war on Iraq on Feb 15th, 2003. As part of the mass protest and rally scheduled in San Francisco Sun, Feb. 16, there will be an Iraq & Palestine contingent. The Iraq & Palestine Contingent will draw attention to the dire consequences for Palestinians of a war against Iraq (Israel is openly discussing the expulsion of Palestinians under the cover of a US attack) and highlight the irony of Bush's condemnation of Iraq while Israel violates many more UN resolutions and occupies Palestinian land in violation ofinternational law.
Palestine Solidarity Contingent Gathering
Sun, Feb.16, San Francisco
10 am Gather with Iraq & Palestine Contingent
At Yerba Buena Gardens
On Mission Street between 3rd and 4th Streets
(Close to Montgomery and Powell Bart)
11 am-Merge with other contingents
Embarcadero & Market St.
(Near Embarcadero BART)
1pm - March to Civic Center
2pm - Rally at Civic Center
(Near Civic Center BART)
Bring signs, chants, banners, and flags and wear khuffiyehs so the message is loud and clear:
NO WAR ON IRAQ!
JUSTICE AND FREEDOM IN PALESTINE!
US OUT OF THE MIDDLE-EAST!
And please save me the posts that Amerika supported Sadam at this time - My question is about the left not about Ronald Reagan.
BTW, did you notice how despite all the retoric the US never took control of Serbia, it left this to the UN and the locals - all that the bombings of Serbia did was to help the Kosovars and made the first step toward Democrcay in Sebia (the rest is done by the serbs them self)
This is going to be repeated in Iraq. The left will protest and afterwards the Iraqi people will be glad that the dictator is gone.
(sarcasm off)
You people on the hard left are aligned with fascist dictators. Well done.
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RACIST ZIONIST QUOTES
by Joseph Anderson Tuesday February 11, 2003 at 07:07 PM
"Zionism is nothing more than the belief that Jews as a people have the right to self-determination in their homeland, Israel." That's the PUBLIC RELATIONS DEFINITION of Zionism. Here are but a FEW racist Zionist quotes by Zionist founding pioneers:
All one has to do is to go read the statements of the Zionist pioneers about Palestine--they blatantly believed that they had a racially superior right to the land and their statements were definitely racist.
Here are but a FEW!!!:
Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25,1982:
"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.
From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978:
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department.
From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5:
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them."
Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine, "Complete Diaries," June 12, 1895 entry.:
"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly."
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, head of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva (school of Talmud) in Nablus stated:
"The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder and their life is preferable."
Yitzhak Ginsburg, "Five General Religious Duties Which Lie Behind the Act of the Saintly, Late Rabbi Baruch Goldstein, May his Blood be Avenged":
"The killing by a Jew of a non-Jew, i.e. a Palestinian, is considered essentially a good deed, and Jews should therefore have no compunction about it."
In 1923, radical Zionist Ze'ev Jabotinsky-- spiritual father of not only of Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin but of Brooklyn Rabbi Meir Kahane-- wrote:
the "sole way" for Jews to deal with Arabs in Palestine was through "total avoidance of all attempts to arrive at a settlement"-which Jabotinsky euphemistically termed the "iron wall" approach. Not coincidentally, a picture of Jabotinsky graces Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's desk. Source: The Village Voice, "Death Wish in the Holy Land," Dec. 12, 2001.
The influential Israeli Rabbi Ovadia Yosef exclaimed during a sermon preceding the 2001 Passover holiday, :
"May the Holy Name visit retribution on the
Arab heads, and cause their seed to be lost, and annihilate them." He added: "It is forbidden to have pity on them. We must give them missiles with relish, annihilate them. Evil ones, damnable ones." -- Source: Ha'aretz April 12, 2001.
Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969:
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, ‘What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'"
David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson,
1978, p. 99:
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, 'Begin and the "Beasts"', New Statesman, 25 June 1982:
"We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return."
Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet:
"We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters."
David Goldman wrote:
"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours."
Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir's infamous quote:
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian."
Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998:
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum":
"If I was an Arab leader I would never make [peace] with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country."
And finally:
Michael Ben-Yair, Attorney General of Israel, 1993-1996 (in Ha'aretz):
"The Intifada is the Palestinian's people's war of national liberation. We [Israel] enthusiastically chose to become a colonialist society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the Occupied Territories, engaging in theft and funding justification for all these activities.. we [Israel] established an apartheid regime."
Ehud Barak, on Israeli TV (date undetermined, but confirmed by former Israeli Knesset Member Marsha Friedman):
"If I were a Palestinian, I would be a terrorist."
(Speaking about Sharon's policies toward the Palestinians.)
Ariel Sharon, Prime Minister of Israel (date undetermined, in an Israeli cabinet meeting):
Don't worry, we [Israel] control the United States.
(In response to concerns raised by another cabinet member about Sharon's ["the butcher of Beirut"] invasion and brutality in the West Bank.)
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Also see:
Zionism Ignores Plight of Palestinian People
http://www.dailycal.org/article.asp?id=10435
and
Zionist Claim to Israel: Modern-Day Apartheid
http://www.dailycal.org/article.asp?id=3508
by Debora Wednesday February 12, 2003 at 10:16 AM
I think Mr JA (or "Ms. WC") has the right to post here the useless false quotes of "zionist" leaders he took from a holocaust denying web sire ran out of the UK.
He should just make sure to give us the correct source for this quotes - it is from the web site of a person that lost a case in which in th UK he tried to argue that the holocaust of the jewish people did not exist.
Everyone has the right for free speech - even those who use it (like JA) to lie.
As are a bunch of the anti-zionist LYING, DISHONEST LUNATICS who post crap here and then demand that people explain it.
In real life, I don't allow people to take a shit on my shoes and demand I clean it, so I don't see why if people take a shit on my computer screen, I should be asked to analyze it.
to nazism
that I refuse to even put them on the same line.
Why do so many of you want to lie about zionism and paint it negatively? Jews got crapped on in much of the world for a very long time, and zionism was a response, to establish a safe place. It wasn't about attacking anyone, it was about defense, and safety, and a home in a land that didn't treat Jews like pets (or cockroaches).
Those of you who focus a huge amount of attention on attacking zionism are either misinformed, or more likely informed but hiding hidden agendas. Zionism is not racist, it favors Jews who are white, black and in-between. THere is no "ethnic cleansing" since the majority of Jewish semitic people and Muslim semitic people are of the same race. Also, Israeli citizens of all races and religions are still citizens, no one group is being rounded up and deported or attacked. Israel's main fight is with people who live outside of Israel and are not Israeli citizens.
Those of you who single zionism out as something bad are misguided, or with agenda. The #1 reason zionism was formed and exists was/is as a response to what Jews were put through in much of the world for the last 2000 years. It's about a safe haven.
Currently, almost 20% of Israel's citizens are not Jewish. Hundreds of thousands of Muslim Israelis work, vote and live pretty regular lives in Israel.
Palestinians kicked every Jew out of Palestinian land.
Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Palestine and almost every arab country destroyed their Jewish communities and forced Jews to flee elsewhere. Israel took the refugees in.
Yet arab countries refused to take in Palestinian refugees.
You anti-zionist loons ignore all this, you ignore balanced reality, you single Israel out for not being a better democracy than it is, yet you intentionally ignore what most arab nations did to their jews. It's ok with you that almost every Jew suffered even if they had nothing to do with Israel or anything?
You spend a huge amount of time exaggerating or lying about zionism, acting like it's a bad thing, while intentionally ignoring really bad things that don't suit your agenda.
Many arab countries blamed any Jews living there for what Jews in Israel were allegedly doing wrong. Yet you don't care. It doesn't suit your agenda. You just want to rant about what Jews do wrong, only you pretend it's all about "zionism" and politics, and hide behind a "politically correct" lie. Why not just admit it, you want to single Jewish Israelis out for what they allegedly do "wrong," while you want to forgive or ignore what was actually done to Jews in that part of the world that plays a huge role on how Israel responds to stuff.
Try being balanced. Probably hard, I guess, when you are fueled by obsessive-compulsive, dishonest and unhealthy hatred of zionists/Israel, eh?
Zionism isn't "bad." It was about giving Jews a safe home. You may disagree with how the current Israeli government is handling things, but the lies about zionism and Israel and the dishonest and unfair singling-out of Jews and zionists needs to stop.
Actually, Debora, I have seen quotes like that in books on Zionism and Palestine (even those written by Jews). Not from Holocaust-denying websites.
""If I were a Palestinian, I would be a terrorist."
2. Do you really think the whole Israeli aplestinian conflict can be understood by few quotes (false or true) - this is a complete misunderstanding of the context of the situation
A monument to hypocrisy
Every one of us must raise our voices, and march in protest, now and again and again, writes Edward Said
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/625/op2.htm
It has finally become intolerable to listen to or look at news in this country. I've told myself over and over again that one ought to leaf through the daily papers and turn on the TV for the national news every evening, just to find out what "the country" is thinking and planning, but patience and masochism have their limits. Colin Powell's UN speech, designed obviously to outrage the American people and bludgeon the UN into going to war, seems to me to have been a new low point in moral hypocrisy and political manipulation. But Donald Rumsfeld's lectures in Munich this past weekend went one step further than the bumbling Powell in unctuous sermonising and bullying derision. For the moment, I shall discount George Bush and his coterie of advisers, spiritual mentors, and political managers like Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham, and Karl Rove: they seem to me slaves of power perfectly embodied in the repetitive monotone of their collective spokesman Ari Fliescher (who I believe is also an Israeli citizen). Bush is, he has said, in direct contact with God, or if not God, then at least Providence. Perhaps only Israeli settlers can converse with him. But the secretaries of state and defence seem to have emanated from the secular world of real women and men, so it may be somewhat more opportune to linger for a time over their words and activities.
First, a few preliminaries. The US has clearly decided on war: there seem to be no two ways about it. Yet whether the war will actually take place or not (given all the activity started, not by the Arab states who, as usual, seem to dither and be paralysed at the same time, but by France, Russia and Germany) is something else again. Nevertheless to have transported 200,000 troops to Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, leaving aside smaller deployments in Jordan, Turkey and Israel can mean only one thing.
Second, the planners of this war, as Ralph Nader has forcefully said, are chicken hawks, that is, hawks who are too cowardly to do any fighting themselves. Wolfowitz, Perle, Bush, Cheney and others of that entirely civilian group were to a man in strong favour of the Vietnam War, yet each of them got a deferment based on privilege, and therefore never fought or so much as even served in the armed forces. Their belligerence is therefore morally repugnant and, in the literal sense, anti-democratic in the extreme. What this unrepresentative cabal seeks in a war with Iraq has nothing to do with actual military considerations. Iraq, whatever the disgusting qualities of its deplorable regime, is simply not an imminent and credible threat to neighbours like Turkey, or Israel, or even Jordan (each of which could easily handle it militarily) or certainly to the US. Any argument to the contrary is simply a preposterous, entirely frivolous proposition. With a few outdated Scuds, and a small amount of chemical and biological material, most of it supplied by the US in earlier days (as Nader has said, we know that because we have the receipts for what was sold to Iraq by US companies), Iraq is, and has easily been, containable, though at unconscionable cost to the long-suffering civilian population. For this terrible state of affairs I think it is absolutely true to say that there has been collusion between the Iraqi regime and the Western enforcers of the sanctions.
Third, once big powers start to dream of regime change --a process already begun by the Perles and Wolfowitzs of this country --there is simply no end in sight. Isn't it outrageous that people of such a dubious caliber actually go on blathering about bringing democracy, modernisation, and liberalisation to the Middle East? God knows that the area needs it, as so many Arab and Muslim intellectuals and ordinary people have said over and over. But who appointed these characters as agents of progress anyway? And what entitles them to pontificate in so shameless a way when there are already so many injustices and abuses in their own country to be remedied? It's particularly galling that Perle, about as unqualified a person as it is imaginable to be on any subject touching on democracy and justice, should have been an election adviser to Netanyahu's extreme right-wing government during the period 1996-9, in which he counseled the renegade Israeli to scrap any and all peace attempts, to annex the West Bank and Gaza, and try to get rid of as many Palestinians as possible. This man now talks about bringing democracy to the Middle East, and does so without provoking the slightest objection from any of the media pundits who politely (abjectly) quiz him on national television.
Fourth, Colin Powell's speech, despite its many weaknesses, its plagiarised and manufactured evidence, its confected audio-tapes and its doctored pictures, was correct in one thing. Saddam Hussein's regime has violated numerous human rights and UN resolutions. There can be no arguing with that and no excuses can be allowed. But what is so monumentally hypocritical about the official US position is that literally everything Powell has accused the Ba'athists of has been the stock in trade of every Israeli government since 1948, and at no time more flagrantly than since the occupation of 1967. Torture, illegal detention, assassination, assaults against civilians with missiles, helicopters and jet fighters, annexation of territory, transportation of civilians from one place to another for the purpose of imprisonment, mass killing (as in Qana, Jenin, Sabra and Shatilla to mention only the most obvious), denial of rights to free passage and unimpeded civilian movement, education, medical aid, use of civilians as human shields, humiliation, punishment of families, house demolitions on a mass scale, destruction of agricultural land, expropriation of water, illegal settlement, economic pauperisation, attacks on hospitals, medical workers and ambulances, killing of UN personnel, to name only the most outrageous abuses: all these, it should be noted with emphasis, have been carried on with the total, unconditional support of the United States which has not only supplied Israel with the weapons for such practices and every kind of military and intelligence aid, but also has given the country upwards of $135 billion in economic aid on a scale that beggars the relative amount per capita spent by the US government on its own citizens.
This is an unconscionable record to hold against the US, and Mr Powell as its human symbol in particular. As the person in charge of US foreign policy, it is his specific responsibility to uphold the laws of this country, and to make sure that the enforcement of human rights and the promotion of freedom --the proclaimed central plank in the US's foreign policy since at least 1976 --is applied uniformly, without exception or condition. How he and his bosses and co-workers can stand up before the world and righteously sermonise against Iraq while at the same time completely ignoring the ongoing American partnership in human rights abuses with Israel defies credibility. And yet no one, in all the justified critiques of the US position that have appeared since Powell made his great UN speech, has focused on this point, not even the ever-so-upright French and Germans. The Palestinian territories today are witnessing the onset of a mass famine; there is a health crisis of catastrophic proportions; there is a civilian death toll that totals at least a dozen to 20 people a week; the economy has collapsed; hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are unable to work, study, or move about as curfews and at least 300 barricades impede their daily lives; houses are blown up or bulldozed on a mass basis (60 yesterday). And all of it with US equipment, US political support, US finances. Bush declares that Sharon, who is a war criminal by any standard, is a man of peace, as if to spit on the innocent Palestinians' lives that have been lost and ravaged by Sharon and his criminal army. And he has the gall to say that he acts in God's name, and that he (and his administration) act to serve "a just and faithful God". And, more astounding yet, he lectures the world on Saddam's flouting of UN resolutions even as he supports a country, Israel, that has flouted at least 64 of them on a daily basis for more than half a century.
But so craven and so ineffective are the Arab regimes today that they don't dare state any of these things publicly. Many of them need US economic aid. Many of them fear their own people and need US support to prop up their regimes. Many of them could be accused of some of the same crimes against humanity. So they say nothing, and just hope and pray that the war will pass, while in the end keeping them in power as they are.
But it is also a great and noble fact that for the first time since World War Two there are mass protests against the war taking place before rather than during the war itself. This is unprecedented and should become the central political fact of the new, globalised era into which our world has been thrust by the US and its super-power status. What this demonstrates is that despite the awesome power wielded by autocrats and tyrants like Saddam and his American antagonists, despite the complicity of a mass media that has (willingly or unwillingly) hastened the rush to war, despite the indifference and ignorance of a great many people, mass action and mass protest on the basis of human community and human sustainability are still formidable tools of human resistance. Call them weapons of the weak, if you wish. But that they have at least tampered with the plans of the Washington chicken hawks and their corporate backers, as well as the millions of religious monotheistic extremists (Christian, Jewish, Muslim) who believe in wars of religion, is a great beacon of hope for our time. Wherever I go to lecture or speak out against these injustices I haven't found anyone in support of the war. Our job as Arabs is to link our opposition to US action in Iraq to our support for human rights in Iraq, Palestine, Israel, Kurdistan and everywhere in the Arab world --and also ask others to force the same linkage on everyone, Arab, American, African, European, Australian and Asian. These are world issues, human issues, not simply strategic matters for the United States or the other major powers.
We cannot in any way lend our silence to a policy of war that the White House has openly announced will include three to five hundred cruise missiles a day (800 of them during the first 48 hours of the war) raining down on the civilian population of Baghdad in order to produce "Shock and Awe", or even a human cataclysm that will produce, as its boastful planner a certain Mr (or is it Dr?) Harlan Ullman has said, a Hiroshima-style effect on the Iraqi people. Note that during the 1991 Gulf War after 41 days of bombing Iraq this scale of human devastation was not even approached. And the US has 6000 "smart" missiles ready to do the job. What sort of God would want this to be a formulated and announced policy for His people? And what sort of God would claim that this was going to bring democracy and freedom to the people not only of Iraq but to the rest of the Middle East?
These are questions I won't even try to answer. But I do know that if anything like this is going to be visited on any population on earth it would be a criminal act, and its perpetrators and planners war criminals according to the Nuremberg Laws that the US itself was crucial in formulating. Not for nothing do General Sharon and Shaul Mofaz welcome the war and praise George Bush. Who knows what more evil will be done in the name of Good? Every one of us must raise our voices, and march in protest, now and again and again. We need creative thinking and bold action to stave off the nightmares planned by a docile, professionalised staff in places like Washington and Tel Aviv and Baghdad. For if what they have in mind is what they call "greater security" then words have no meaning at all in the ordinary sense. That Bush and Sharon have contempt for the non-white people of this world is clear. The question is, how long can they keep getting away with it?
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JA: You apparently don't need a book: it was on TV! But, I bet you can track this story down by doing a search in Ha'aretz [an Israeli daily newspaper - the so-called, liberal newspaper] or some other Israeli newspaper: it wasn't a big secret--except, of course, in the U.S. general media. Actually, I asked former Knesset Member Marsha Friedman to confirm this story for me, when she was speaking at the Mill Valley Community Center about a year or so ago. As she apparently resides in the Bay Area (at least part-time) you can see if she has as office here or you can attend her next public lecture and ask her yourself.
But, Barbara, I sense that you are a hard-core Zionist -- and I know that *NOTHING* will make you pause or think twice, let alone ever change your mind. I understand how Jews have been so often heinously abused in history--in Europe! (not in the Arab world, which historically accepted Jews)--that many Jews cling to political Zionism because of that, and many--a a smaller but growing number, I hope--REJECT Zionism because of that. Your clinging to Zionism represents the historically abused becoming the modern abuser. But just as Jews don't think that there should be a Christian state (or any other) massacring and oppressing Jews, many (apparently not most) Jews don't think that there should be "a Jewish state" massacring and oppressing others. Zionism will steal the soul of Judaism.
My reponse (playing off another response):
I agree
by ditto Tuesday February 11, 2003 at 11:55 PM:
This isn't about Rabbi Lerner. This is about stopping war in Iraq and in Palestine-Israel.
The war has already been going on in both places for far too long!
Rabbi Lerner, although he is a very good man in many ways, is still a racist when he insists on a Jewish supremacist state in Palestine-Israel. The secular one-state solution sharing all the land of Palestine-Israel with equal rights for all, a true democracy, including for all the Palestinian refugees is by far the most humane and progessive solution. It can be done, but Zionism / Jewish supremacism in Israel-Palestine has to GO, as did Nazism in Germany and white supremacism / apartheid in South Africa.
Sidelined white males: Gitlin, Hitchens and Lerner
by JA Thursday February 13, 2003 at 10:27 AM:
"The real problem is that Mike Lerner - editor of Tikkun, and self-appointed spokesman for the entire progressive Jewish community hasn't gotten his three minutes of fame on the big stage yet."
"THREE MINUTES"!?
WHO ARE YOU FOOLIN'!?
IF YOU LET MESSIANIC MICHAEL LERNER GET UP THERE -- THE TIME AND STAGE HOG -- YOU'LL NEVER GET HIM DOWN!!
I've seen Lerner take an audience and try to drive it into the ground with fatigue, with his highly repetitive, long-winded, time hogging, disrespectful tactics. I was at one Mideast event where all the speakers stayed within their allotted times -- except Lerner, who went on about 5 times over his allotment, constantly repeating himself, until most of the packed audience, finally worn down, just got up and left, and the few who remained finally shut him up!
Yes, anyone who so overtly, so publicly, critically timed, attacks a member of the coalition (even of a group of which I am not a member) is just doing undermining work for the right-wing -- and/or Israel.
A "liberal" Zionist is like a "liberal" anti-Semite is like a "liberal" Jim Crow Southerner is like a "liberal" Apartheid Afrikaner is like a "liberal" Nazi.
True progressives don't believe in any kind of 'race'-supremacist, 'racially'-defined states.
Indeed purity it is. So pure that there is going to be nothing left.
Lerner (who just want to talk about his namby-pamby spiritualism) and Nagler (who just wanted to talk about how the Palestinians should suffer brutal Israeli oppression non-violently) just wanted to have a namby-pamby PR event where everyone could rhetorically hold hands and sing Kumbaya. And the Zionists, like Lerner and Nagler, could look like "Israel Wants Peace!" Even most of the older Jews in the audience which was the plurality of the audience--and I sensed probably many who were tired of this empty PR chant and were ready for real answers or at least real questions--left early out of sheer boredom. This is part of the reason Lerner went on so long: he wanted to chew up the clock so that more incisive issues could not be raised from the audience. So, Lerner was really censoring the audience too. And now he's trying to manipulate the rally and, failing that, of course, an ever-willing S.F. Chronicle and other major Bay Area press.
(As the anti-Zionist Jewish-American activist and public lecturer Jeffrey Blankfort calls them) "Fifth Column Zionists" in the ant-war movement are there to try to disrupt it and create RIFTS--just like Lerner and his acolytes have attempted already.
Now, I'm not going to argue Zionism with you here, Linda: it's time for me to go to lunch, before my lunch hour is over.
By Wendy Campbell
The premiere of my documentary "Truth: Exposing Israeli Apartheid" at La Pena Cultural Center in Berkeley on August 22 drew a full house. However, the main complaint was "It's too long!" I guess one hour and forty seven minutes of that heavy subject is too much for most people to bear. Many people had red eyes at the end of the show. It is brutal as is its subject matter. So I edited it down to 57 minutes, and the result is a much more impactful, digestible experience.
When I made the film, I had no formal training in film-making, so another complaint is that the sound could be better in some places and I should have used a tripod more often. So I have been taking film classes to brush up on my technique. The next film will be much better technically, I'm sure!
Despite the technical shortcomings of the documentary, many people have praised it and feel it is of great importance. Obviously the film has a message and a mission, built right into the title of it "Truth: Exposing Israeli Apartheid".
I hated to edit the film but I had to, and so I edited out all of Rabbi Michael Lerner's talk, because of his emphasis on the two-state which does not jibe with my belief that the solution of a completely democratic, secular one-state solution with the return of all the Palestinian refugees is the most humane and progressive solution of all.
I also had to edit out Jess Ghannam's talk on Palestinian Solidarity Day, because the footage was just too poorly lit.
But what remains is very powerful. Penny Rosenwasser of the Middle East Children's Alliance (http://www.mecaforpeace.org) is prominently featured with slides from her show "Face of the Occupation", a talk by an Israeli Refusenik, footage from the Gaza Strip by Donna Wallach, Adam Shapiro from International Solidarity Movement, commentary about the history of the conflict by myself, and footage from the first various pro-Palestinian rallies in the Bay Area round out the film. The documentary makes a solid case for validating the urgent need to fairly address the injustices that the Palestinians are suffering under the Israeli government with the massive financial and political aid from the United States. After viewing this documentary, there can be no doubt whatsoever that Israel is indeed a "racist, anti-democratic, apartheid regime", as stated by an Israeli Refusenik.
The tape is available for a $20 donation to Wendy Campbell, PO Box 10458, Oakland, CA 94610 and please remember to include the address you want the tape sent to. Shipping and handling included. The proceeds are going to mass distribution of Truth to film festivals, and influential people such as political leaders.
Pictured above is Jeffrey Blankfort and myself on the night of the premiere. He spoke before the screening on the topic of "Washington: Israel's Most Important Occupied Territory".
For more information, contact truthaboutisrael [at] earthlink.net
I am just wondering what people who are against Israel think where Jews should have gone after the war. I agree that what happened was a tragedy but the Jews were exiled from that land by the Romans. Did they give up that claim becuase another group had come in during that time?
Assuming that what you say is true, for the sake of argument, a "progressive Zionism", AS WEST MIGHT CONCEIVE, as with other non-political forms of Zionism, would not call for a Jewish-supremacist state, not "a Jewish state" at all, or likewise any nation-state defined on the basis of ethnicity. That's what those like Cornel West and MLK fought against in American Jim Crow apartheid!
So, now that the Zionist King letter fraud has been exposed, don't go morally abusing West!
The fact is, Osama has never given a crap about the Palestinians. He didn't used to speak about them in the past. He's not based in that region. He doesn't do business in that region. Arafat repeatedly stated that Osama hasn't helped or ever loaned any support in any way, and Arafat probably wouldn't admit it even if he did, but the point is that the US interferes with a LOT in the middle east that has nothing to do with Israel. In the rest of the world, as well. So just because osama wants to RIDE A POPULAR CAUSE doesn't mean he's telling the truth. But the anti-zionist looney liars who don't care about reality will AUTOMATICALLY believe any anti-israel thing they hear and add it to the pile of CRAP they call their knowledge base.
I DO have a tape of the Fox News show where they talk about the Israeli spies dancing and celebrating at the site of 9/11 WHILE it happened. At any rate, you can read about it at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com, that is IF you can handle the truth.
And by the way, while it may be true that Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein are manipulating the Palestinian cause for all its worth, as you yourself mentioned, it is the single most unifying cause that the entire Arab population can relate to and be angry about.
Heck, I'm not even Arab and it pisses the hell out of me! The Zionists are greedy, lying, hypocrites and I guess that includes you.
Okay, meistro, let's see you back that one up. Citation please.
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Sharon saw it as a great opportunity to tie Israel's war on "terror" (otherwise in reality known as the Palestinian resistance to persecution by the Israelis), to America's war on "terror" ( which was blowback from Zionist-controlled US foreign policy, most specifically with regards to Israel). Little did Americans know at the time about the blowback part or the truth about Israel and it's ethnic cleansing and persecution of the Palestinian people. At any rate, Sharon saw 9/11 as a way to try to get all Americans to see Arabs as "the enemy", but instead, most Americans are now learning more in-depth knowledge about the injustices that our government has been funding over in Israel. And now many enlightened Americans see that the way to end the "terror" and "the war on terror" is through ending the funding of Israel's state-sponsored "terror" / persecution of the Palestinian people, the single most unifying cause in the Arab world.
In other words, no, you can't provide a citation to back up your claim, except to suggest that I should poke around on a conspiracy-mongering site, and then have your hands around like a hula dancer describing a hummingbird.
That's what I thought would happen when I called your bluff; I just wanted other people to see it too.
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It was even in the Chronicle I believe. I know I saw it several places, but it's so obvious anyway that Sharon would be thrilled about 9/11 for Israel's sake that I didn't think " omigod this is something I have to document for gehrig!" when I read it. It was more like "it figues". But since you're in deep denial, you just don't see it, hear it, talk it. Poor baby. The world is passing you by, while you have your blinders on.
If you really want to see what a sick mind Sharon has (you don't really though, do you?) then you should do a google-search on "Oz Amos interview with Sharon". Sharon is referred to as "C" or something, but everyone knows it's Sharon. The interview took place after the1982 massacre at Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon, the war crimes which he is going to be tried for in the Belgium world court. You will see how his sick mind has not changed. In fact, he is only getting worse, as hard as that is to imagine.
Sure, it's clear as a bell. You made a hysterical -- and terribly tendentious -- claim, can't back it up, and are now trying to pass off your inability to document your claim as _my_ problem, not yours.
That's the hallmark of a netkook, Wendy. "The dog ate my homework" doesn't cut it.
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They like to single out Jews for being mean, but somehow manage to forget to mention what is done that might cause such mean behavior.
It's like, X punches Y in the face 82398923823 times in a row, and Y starts kicking back, and these people want to summarize the entire thing as "Y is being mean and kicking poor, innocent X."
Everyone knows Sharon was positivily delighted that the US got hit on 9/11 --- it suits his agenda perfectly. Even a mental midget could figure that out without even having had to read in the papers how he actually said for the record that 9/11 was "good for Israel".
Of course, you probably even read it yourself but for the sake of the naive, clueless in our audience here at Indymedia you are pretending that you haven't read it and that you don't know that 9/11 plays into Sharon's gameplan for getting the US to fight Israel's wars with its enemies for Israel.
Your goal is obviously obstruct the truth from being told. All Zionists are afraid of the American public, who funds immoral Israeli's ethnic cleansing and persecution of the Palestinian people, finding out the truth about Israel. Zionists are so afraid of everything it seems. Mostly afraid of the truth.
No wonder you don't like the websites http://www.cactus48.com and http://www.whatreallyhappened.com and http://www.ussliberty.com and http://www.electronicintifada.net
or http://www.normanfinkelstein.com or http://www.paletinemonitor.org or http://www.boycottisraeligoods.org!
We have a right to know what our tax dollars are supporting in Israel, yet many Americans don't know. The pro-Israel Zionist dominated American corporate media hides and downplays all this. The British and Israeli papers are much more informative on these issues. It's obvious the Zionist media is protecting Israel's interests and not American's.
That's the way of the netkook, after all: make wild and inaccurate and incendiary charges, and then, when asked to document them, run away. I expected no less of you, Wendy.
" Everyone knows Sharon was positivily delighted that the US got hit on 9/11 --- it suits his agenda perfectly. Even a mental midget could figure that out without even having had to read in the papers how he actually said for the record that 9/11 was "good for Israel". "
Oh, wait, I think I know what you're talking about -- the quote from Netanyahu. The one where he was asked how the attack would affect the US-Israel relationship. He replied -- "It's good -- no, not good, but it will increase awareness in the US of the terror Israel has been facing for decades." Here is a genuine citation, so you can check it out, and see that I haven't distorted it the way you did: New York Times, 9/13/2001.
Naturally, when it comes to Israel haters, they could never quite manage to choke out Netanyahu's entire quote, only the part that makes him look like he's celebrating a tragedy: "it's good." Even people as ordinarily honorable as Carl Estabrook of Counterpunch fell for that trap. So what if they're completely mischaracterizing Netanyahu's reaction, as long as they get a chance to bash Israel, facts or no?
See, that's why I asked for a citation. Now, anybody with access to a library can see that I was right and you were wrong. That's what makes citation a nice thing. It lets readers measure the gulf between what the papers said and what you _say_ they said, and in turn they can learn more about how your mind works whenever that red "Demonize Israel! Lie if necessary! Make stuff up! God is on my side!" light starts flashing in your eyes.
And, again, I expect no less of you, Wendy. Another fact run under the wheels of your need to oversimplify a very complicated issue.
You know, the thing is, I think you honestly _believe_ that Israel celebrated the attacks on 9/11. That's the amazing part. That you're so completely out of tune with what Israel is about, and are responding to such a parody of reality (to paraphrase Elizabeth Bishop's poem on antisemitism, "See the little paper Israel / in its little paper hat") that you can say the most blisteringly clueless things, and then be proud you said them.
But, Windy Wendy, I've asked you another question that you haven't responded to, and now I'm curious, because silence isn't one of your strong suits. You seemed to indicate that you think Ashkenazi Jews aren't Semitic in origin, and you suggested that they were "Japhethites" instead. Is this what you believe?
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Do your homework. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com Check out all the dirt on Israel. It all pans out.
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Once again, challenged with the question, Wendy runs away. One almost wonders what it is she's hiding.
Wendy, you've implied that Ashkenazi Jews are "Japhethites" and not descended from the Semites. Is this what you meant to say?
Simple question, Wendy. Will you keep running from it?
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I just wonder if you go against other forms of nationalism this way. If so, I commend you. I too hope for the day when no people on Earth need nationalism. Too much war has occurred because of nationalism.
This whole idea of Jewish control of the US is scary, though. You really think that Israel controls the US? The US does things for its own sake not because it is controlled by others. Believe me, the oligarchy controlling the US is getting a lot out of its relationship with Israel.
Oh, and Dr. King said what he said--I did not bring it up, you did. I think he was fairly clear in his statement.
As you can tell from the posts by "gehrig" and "christopher", it is a waste of time to "argue" and "debate" with Zionists. The best thing to do is for each person to do his or her own homework and then think things through for yourself---check out http://www.whatreallyhappened.com and http://www.cactus48.com and http://www.netureikarta.org and http://www.electronicintifada.net.
If you feel like you haven't learned enough of the Zionist point of view, which is mainly what you have been reading all your life in US mainstream corporate media, by all means, check out all the Zionist websites you have time to.
It's not very hard to find the truth with such an excellent tool as the internet provides, however, it does take time.
I hope you will take the time to do your own homework and research, and think for yourselves. Anytime a Zionist brings up a point or "fact", just do a Google-search and you will find out that almost in every instance, that Zionist is only telling you one side of the story, or only part of the story.
Just for one example, some Zionists will tell you that Iraq forced out hundreds of thousands of Jews, and now there are only probably two Jews left in Iraq. Simply do a Google-search on "Jews in Iraq" and you will find that Jews were forced out of Iraq after Zionist Jews forced hundreds of thousands of Palestinians out of their own homeland (around 800,000 in 1948) in order to create the Zionist Jewish supremacist state of Israel.
It's only useful to argue with Zionists up to a point, where you can get a handle on all their "talking points" to research on your own and then come up with the actual facts and complete story to form your own opinion.
After that, it's just a waste of time to talk to them. Your time is better spent on spreading the truth about racist, anti-democratic, apartheid Israel to hasten its inevitable transformation into a true democracy with equal rights for all regardless of religion, ethnicity, race or sex, and that includes for all the Palestinian refugees which now number about 4.5 million. They have the right to return to their ancestral homeland of Palestine-Israel according to UN Resolutions, International Law and world opinion.
Colonialism, imperialism, segration, racial/religious discrimation, exclusivity, is SOOO passe' and regressive.
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