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YellowTimes.org shut down!!

by Firas Al-Atraqchi
The well known alternative news publication YellowTimes.org was just shut down by its hosting comapny! It recently published an article by an Iraqi nuclear scientist!
Stifling the Voice of Reason
By Firas Al-Atraqchi

The campaign to stifle dissent and censor any questioning of current U.S. policies vis a vis the Middle East in general, and Iraq in particular, has reached new levels.

Websites which host alternative views, and/or views that contradict U.S. foreign policy are no longer tolerated on the Internet and are systematically coming under hacker attack and political pressures to "relocate."

YellowTimes.org (http://www.yellowtimes.org) has for the past six months withstood intense hacker attacks as it publishes views that directly question, criticize, and berate the U.S. official line regarding the impending invasion of Iraq.

"In addition to e-mail spoof attacks, I think they are attempting to overload our servers through denial of service attacks, forcing our website to go offline. Similar incidents happened last time we released an article from Imad Khadduri," says Erich Marquardt, YellowTimes.org publisher.

Imad Khadduri, an Iraqi former nuclear scientist who was instrumental in Iraq's nuclear weapons program in the 1980s and early 1990s, has charged that recent allegations concerning the competence and progress of the Iraqi nuclear weapons program are baseless and untrue. In an article published on YellowTimes.org before it was taken off-line by its hosting company, Khadduri painted a dismal picture of Iraq's scientific community with many out of jobs and scrounging for work after the Gulf War and subsequent allied bombing reduced any nuclear hopes to rubble.

Khadduri has also charged Khidhir Hamza, a former Iraqi scientist with whom Khadduri worked, with fabricating and exaggerating his importance in Iraq's nuclear program outlined in Hamza's book "Saddam's Bombmaker."

While several YellowTimes.org writers have been lauded for bringing previously unpublished news to its readers and informing the public of news that has been virtually "blacked out" from mainstream North American media (CNN, New York Times, etc.), a marginal number of readers have found the website to be "sick and diseased," and "unpatriotic."

Those who charge that intellectual debate is unpatriotic forget the words of John Adams, one of the forefathers of the U.S. Constitution:

"The jaws of power are always open to devour, and her arm is always stretched out, if possible, to destroy the freedom of thinking, speaking, and writing. Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have … a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge, I mean the characters and conduct of their rulers."

Or perhaps they forget Thomas Jefferson: "The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure."

Are more websites about to be "shut down"?

For its part, YellowTimes.org is committed to continuing its ethos in providing its hundreds of thousands of monthly visitors with alternative news and views, and is not taking the recent shutdown lightly. "This setback is not going to stop us from speaking out against leaders and governments who commit gross injustices against humankind," said Marquardt.

"Believe me, YellowTimes.org will be back."

Firas Al-Atraqchi can be contacted at: firas6544 [at] rogers.com
YellowTimes.org can be contacted at: YellowTimes [at] hotmail.com
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by Former Iraqi nuclear scientist, Imad Khadduri
full text of article and radio interview found here:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1571560.php
by this thing here
... if the bush admin. has nothing to be afraid of, and america is a free country, where freely expressed dissent and disagreement is an inalienable right of every citizen protected by law regardless of beliefs, then why...

oh yeah, i forgot. none of that's true anymore...
by The Thinker
Shutting down YellowTimes.org is all the more reason that each of us MUST find a peace protest group to join on 15 February. We cannot let the apathy that "one more [meaning ourself] won't matter." You have to get out there and add one more body to the count. I live in a nondescript town: the city of Mackay in the state of Queensland Australia. But we WILL be there at the park in front of city hall on Gordon Street 15 February 2003 at 9:30am, so if you'd like to join us, please, please feel welcome. And I am 60 years old, not some "any protest will do" college student, like I was in the '60s. Ah! Days of Martin Luther King, John and Bobby Kennedy, Viet Nam, The Chicago Seven, Black Panthers, Abbie Hoffman, Fred Hampton, Bernadine Dohrn, Southern Christian Leadership Council, Bobby Seale, ... Well, we're slipping back into morass and if we don't pull ourselves out, ain't nobody else gonna either!
by WhizWart
Where is your proof? seroiusly, if you get a trace or somthing and it goes to langley, I'll be enraged. But it just could easily be some 13 year old with time to kill. Sometimes a duck is just a duck.
by The Thinker
There are different standards of evidence to show proof. There is absolute proof, which means the kind of evidence that you were there with a large number of other people and you all agree, and you tape recorded everything. And there are all manner of standards when you weren't there, such as you would hear if you were a juror: overwhelming, clear and convincing, beyond a reasonable doubt, preponderance, scintilla, etc. Some evidence is direct. And there is circumstantial evidence, which is established by motive, opportunity, and ability. An example of circumstantial is also a pattern of former behavior, character evidence, and that sort of stuff. All forms of proof appropriate to the forum create a presumption that the accused did it, and shift the burden of proof to the accused to prove he didn't.

Different forums require different standards. A criminal forum requires beyond a reasonable doubt. A "civil" lawsuit requires a preponderance. An appeal of various agency findings taken to court may require only a scintilla to uphold the finding.

Sometimes a duck is just a duck, but sometimes folks are convicted well within the boundaries of Due Process, who are truly innocent of the crime charged because they look like a cigar, smoke like a cigar, and stink like a cigar, and so, by golly, they must be a cigar. In the case of Bushco, we are probably talking criminal and beyond a reasonable doubt, rather than absolute. So, if I were on a jury looking at all the stuff I've already seen that is in the public domain and even boasted by Bushco rather than denied or ignored, away they would go. Therefore, as far as this bear's concerned, you are on solid ground to claim Bush did it, and it's up to him to prove he didn't.
by rebel yellow
As you can see from the information below, the whole thing is run from Canada, eh? Gotta problem with that, ask the Prime Minister.

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WHOIS yellowtimes.org

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Domain Name:YELLOWTIMES.ORG
Created On:24-Jun-2001 16:00:03 UTC
Last Updated On:10-Jul-2002 21:37:31 UTC
Expiration Date:24-Jun-2003 16:00:03 UTC

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Status:OK
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Registrant Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
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Registrant City:N/A
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Registrant Country:CA
Registrant Email:not [at] available.org

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by rebel yellow
It just may be Bush after all...

YellowTimes.org
Glenview, Illinois 60025-6262
US

Domain Name: YELLOWTIMES.ORG

Administrative Contact:
Erich Marquardt marquardt [at] yellowtimes.org

Glenview, Illinois 60025-6262
US

Technical Contact:
Erich Marquardt marquardt [at] yellowtimes.org

Glenview, Illinois 60025-6262
US

Record updated on 2002-07-10 17:37:32
Record created on 2001-06-24
Record expires on 2003-06-24
Database last updated on 2003-02-10 19:05:50 EST

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.JUMPLINE2000.NET 66.84.5.1
NS2.JUMPLINE2000.NET 66.84.5.2
by 732
the below comes from:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Propaganda_Matrix/message/4953



From: "Erich Marquardt" <yellowtimes@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 9, 2003 8:19 pm
Subject: Yt Shut Down
To: webmaster@p...



Paul,

YellowTimes.org has been shut down by the company that hosts our website.

They have given us a ridiculous reason that it was because we were taking up
too many resources. Yet when I try to upgrade or pay more, they simply say
that this is not an option.

Therefore, they have shut down our site and there is nothing I can do about
it right now.

Hopefully I will be able to get the site up sometime in the next week.

You can reach me here.

Erich Marquardt
YellowTimes.org

by Robin
So there's your proof text. For all the "Bush did it" people, if he REALLY did, then they won't be back up anywhere. If he gets the site back up, then it was nothing.

But once he gets it back up, will the "Bush did it" people take back their words? Probably not.

And then they want to be taken seriously. Think again, Batman!!
by kindergarten logic
Thag is our friend:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1571273.php
by pre-conception logic
It doesn't matter whether or not the site stays down OR goes back up. Bush is the one who had it taken down anyway.
by just wondering
And the proof of this is?
by just answering
>>... if the bush admin. has nothing to be afraid of, and america is a free country, where freely expressed dissent and disagreement is an inalienable right of every citizen protected by law regardless of beliefs, then why...

>>Therefore, as far as this bear's concerned, you are on solid ground to claim Bush did it, and it's up to him to prove he didn't.

>>It just may be Bush after all...

Ask them.
by that's speculation
Here's some more speculation:

http://nyc.indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=46344&group=webcast

Spoke with them
by Bob 10:26pm Mon Feb 10 '03

I spoke with the people at YT and they told me that they were shut down due
to using up too much CPU resources on the hosts computers.

Though here is the issue.

CPU resources is not on any plans. Meaning, they didn't go over their
allowed hard drive space or bandwidth. The host just told them that yellow
times was causing other computers there to be too slow.

When yellow times offered to pay more (they are already paying over $100 a
month), they said that there was nothing they could offer yellow times
unless they gutted the site and made it use up less resources.

When asked what is using up resources, the company said they weren't sure,
but that it was just using up resources!

So yellowt times tried everything but the company said that there was
nothign they could do and now the whole site was "suspended."

talk about bullshit. according to yellowtimes, a reputable site, everything
was paid for and the reason for shutting them down was pretty ridiculous.

And here is where it all plays in.

Think about it. If the company wanted to shut down YT because they didn't
like them, that would be illegal. Discrimination. So they would have to say
something else. By doing this, the company is completely exempt from a
discrimination lawsuit at least. See that? So nobody can do anything.

The people at YT told me that they do not claim that the company shut them
down for political reasons. They simply told what happened and most people
realize that this could very well be true. Especially considering a lot of
other sites have shut down for similar reasons (when they question the U.S.
government).

Ahh, the plot thickens!

(snip)
by SpecMan
Isn't it though??

It's all speculation. Some of it could even be hearsay. Good God man, this is Indymedia. Where have you been?

That Bush pulled the plug is speculation and hearsay.
That they were taking up too many resources is speculation and hearsay.

How 'bout we just sit back and see how it plays out.

And afterwards, let's see if the speculators take back their words or if they do what they commonly do and move on to speculate on the next subject.
by x8274
...and it includes what can happen when the climate for free and open political discourse becomes impossible, as it is today. There need not be a specific order to censor. There are countless little and large acts of self censorship.

Sure, there is no proof of a specific actor like Bush himself censoring YellowTimes. But to defend that ground without noting the fact that censorship in one form or another is happening like wildfire is to have one's head up a dark and forbidding orifice. Self censorship is the most pervasive form of censorship, and the related beast of selective coverage (Venezuela in the last few months is a great example) is a close second.

I've run large and small websites. There's no reason why any web hosting company wouldn't be able and willing to sell more bandwidth or additional server hardware resources -- except for political or similar reasons. With all the consolidation in the hosting industry that has come in the last 8 to 9 years, most of the providers are quite large, with extra resources to sell at a whim. Most are desperately in need of doing just that as the industry is flooded with over capacity!

The burden of proof for this not a case of censorship (regardless of type) is on the hosting company, not YellowTimes. All those attacking people here questioning if this is a case of censorship are mucking up logic. Yeah, the "bush did it" stuff is extreme and specious. But it's not really the point. Censorship can come in a wide variety of forms, and the end result is the same.
by lenny
If another hosting company picks it up, then it's not really an issue. If suddenly no one wants to host the site, then you got something to look into. Chances are they're going to be back up soon with another host. Speculation again, but it may be that the current hosting company doesn't want to do business with them anymore. There's no law that says one company is compelled to do business with another just because they can. Lots of times people will say things like "We can't help you anymore because of this, that, or the other" or will otherwise give an excuse rather than face them with the truth just because they're uncomfortable doing that sort of thing. I'm not that way. As someone who has to deal with cleaning services from time to time, there are certain ones with whom I refuse to do business. And anyone desiring to do business with me who wants to make use of those cleaning services with whom I disapprove are free to walk under no uncertain terms.
by YAWG
I'm no lawyer, but if the website host is a private corporation, seems to me they have the right to deny service to whomever they want to, on the most arbitrary of criteria.

This is not censorship anymore than the left's campaign to boycott Rush Limbaugh's advertisers.
by vune (vumonkey [at] yahoo.com)
Let me paint a picture of what *could* have happened that might let everybody think they were right:

YT's hosting company is run by Bert, a cigar smoking right wing conservative republican. Ever since they started hosting YT, he's been looking for a reason to kick them off, but lo, they're within their rights. Boy, would Bert love to get a reason to smite those evil, unpatriotic free-thinking liberals. Much to Bert's discontent, YT keeps getting more & more popular, inspiring others with the same nazi commy-crat thinking. So Bert goes browsing through the Terms of Agreement (that he knows nobody ever reads. Heck, he's never even read it himself). And what do you know? He finds a stupid little technicality about system resources, allowing him to get rid of that pesky YT without even explaining himself. He pats himself on the back, turns on the TV, and George W Bush mispronounces a word.

Liberals, you've got your Fat Cat Republican stifling free speech, and Conservatives, you've got your ample justification.

Eh? Eh?
by ziggy
check it out - lead editorial talks about downtime
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