IMPEACH BUSH - Ramsey Clark, Jan. 18, 2003

I'm always willing to try and make the world a better place, so here is something I found that I would like to share. This list was complied by John Kaminski (skylax [at] comcast.net) who is a writer and lives on the coast of Florida waiting for the water to start rising or the Gestapo to kick in his door.

Military desertion? See http://www.awolbush.com/ or http://www.wearepower.org/pipermail/natlpower/2002-October/000556.html
Cocaine smuggling? See http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/offline9.htm
Conspiracy to destroy landmarks and commit mass murder? How about http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm to pick the best of many stories like this.
Treason: http://bush-treason.blogspot.com/
Accessory to the theft of billions of dollars in the savings and loan debacle: See http://www.thetip.org/art_146_icle.html and http://www.campaignwatch.org/more1.htm
Enriching his friends: http://www.bushnews.com/bushmoney.htm, http://www.bushwatch.net/bushmillions.html and http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/other_more.asp
Obstruction of justice: http://members.tripod.com/~RedRobin2/index-93.html
Illegal jailings: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/may2002/pows-m31.shtml and http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin2/thoughts/comment020128.asp
Computerized election vote fraud: http://www.talion.com/vote-rigging.html
Assassinating a political rival: http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID43/5351.html and http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/oct2002/well-o29.shtml

The US Constitution has other ,more direct remedies for citizens to use in case of tyranny and these remedies come in a multitude of calibers and styles.

it's important to realize and remember that the effort to impeach should not necessarily be about actual impeachment. It's a tool for political pressure. For example, in the context of the anti-war movement (the main reason why Professor Boyle started this brush fire in the grass roots -- and Boyle worked with Ramsey Clark in 1991's impeachment articles against Bush #1), it's about raising the cost of going to war. Wars are not stopped by literally chaining a leader up, or kicking them out (well, most often, that is not the case -- entire human history might have one or two examples, however). No, this is about raising the cost of actions. Similarly, it's unlikely that Bush would actually get impeached, but again, the point is the process, not defining Bush impeachment as the mark of victory. The mark of victory is halting a right-wing junta's attack on the Constitution. The mark of Victory is halting a war is justified by a pack of lies, a war that will make Americans far less safe in the future.

So, any and all means to achieve the last two sentences should be considered, and arguably embraced.

Any means except the one Mr. Gourley speaks of, that is!

And about 15 feet of hemp rope/EA/per
perp.
no use to waste ammo.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/01/1566224.php

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/01/1558044.php

Good comments ziggy.

"this is about raising the cost of actions."


How much would it cost the economy if every conscientious objector stopped working 2 days a week until troops are withdrawn...?

I lost my job June 17 2002, and haven't found work since. So, I guess I'm already doing my part 250% by not working 5 days a week instead of only the suggested 2. But then, in this Administration's economy, or maybe that's diseconomy, unemployment is already way up. Because, as one Canadian Minister put, the Moron is incapable of wise government, he has stooped to the only methods he can come up with: Loot the Treasury with bulldozers pushing piles of money to the front doors of the ultrarich, slash federal benefits to the poor, and send off the middle class to be culled in a war to liberate the Iraqi People. See? Bush's got something for everybody!

Oh, yeah, unemployment is WAY up. What is it? Seven percent, or so? Gimme a break already.

Go get a job.

<<Oh, yeah, unemployment is WAY up.>>
A number of factors have lead to serious unemployment in the information technology (IT) sector, most artificially created, such as the dot com bust and incredible numbers of H1B visas. Unfortunately for me, I believed the elite when they pleaded a shortage, and I spent years in universities getting advanced degrees. I later learned the elite meant there was a shortage of IT people who would work at substantially dropped wage rates, accelerated by the influx of massive of the aforementioned H1Bs from foreign countries, mostly China and India, whom they could pay peanuts. That is, the elite simply refused to pay market rates, and with their friends in high places, illicitly if not illegally manipulated the market.

The lie of capitalism is that if you work hard and suffer sacrifices, you will make it. But what I have learned is "making it" is like hitting the lottery. Some, like Bill Gates do, but like the lottery, most do not, by far. The elite fiddle with the market, and must continuing fiddle with the market, in order to ensure a continuing supply of those who work hard and don't make it. Otherwise, everybody would make it, and the elite would have no one left to work hard scrubbing out their toilets.

<<What is it? Seven percent, or so? Gimme a break already.>>
Yeah, right. That's the official number from the same folks who closed down the Department that compiled massive layoffs, because they didn't want the public to know how bad things are. These numbers are massaged by not counting folks' being repeatedly recycled in training programs, who have simply given up looking, or who have substantial underemployment, like I would have if I took my engineering PhD and went to flip burgers. You gotta be kidding to suggest there is not a serious economic problem, and not a serious employment problem.

<<Go get a job.>>
Because I'm a working stiff, it is not up to me to "get a job." It is up to me to submit my resume to job openings and do the best I can on interviews, which I diligently attend to. After that, it is up to an employer to give me a job. Employers are at least sincere in replying to me, that there were hundreds of applicants and they found someone else better suited, usually meaning less qualified and easier to pay less.

With an attitude like yours, it's easy to see that you feel you are the one who should take all the credit for whatever success you have. Well, you merely won the lottery on that level. I hope your luck continues.

How about you? You put your mouth out there about a job. Do you have money to put where your mouth is and have an IT job to give me? You know the saying - Money talks, lipservice walks. Well?

Bill Gates is no Horatio Alger. He was rich when he started, but he only had millions, not billions.

Here's what the Boston Globe had to say about the economic / employment environment created by Bush. See http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/029/oped/A_presidency_at_the_brink+.shtml

"Consider: His is the worst economic performance of any newly inaugurated president since Herbert Hoover. The economy has lost 2 million jobs since January 2001. Bush's economic program promises to create only 190,000 jobs this year under the administration's own assumptions. The much-ballyhooed $1.35 trillion tax cut of 2001 has evidently failed to rescue the economy, yet Bush promises more of the same.

"The stock market has lost $6.65 trillion in value since he took office. The federal budget has gone from projected surplus to endless deficit."

Ramsey Clark is deep-cover for the government, charged with making the left look loony. ANSWER and the LaRouchites are playing you like a fiddle.

Ask yourself whether it makes sense. Don't jump on a bandwagon just to make friends. Think it through for yourself.

ya can't impeach him till he does something illegal.....ILLEGAL, not immoral. Yeah, I wish there wasn't a difference, but there is.

I made a previous comment in this thread, just below the above cartoon of Chickenhawk Bush. I have reviewed my comment, and indeed, it lists offenses that sure seem to me to be illegal, not just immoral. Clearly, Hitler did a lot of illegal stuff as shown by his underlings' being found guilty after trial. I know the Nazi stuff was done during the war, whereas Bush hasn't done anything during a war yet, but the principle is that the guy on top of a dictatorship is above the law because he writes it (or his Daddy does), and that principle is the same in either case.

Don't try to divert impeachment with scare tactics about people being 'taken.' The only thing that doesn't make sense is why he hasn't been impeached already. Don't be any more of an idiot than you already are. Go play in your own yard - we don't want you here.

Honest discussion of the impeachment can question the likelihood that the current congress will take any action, not who is 'deep cover,' etc.

You can add charges of rape to those crimes:
http://www.counterpunch.org/carter1220.html

A claim against the president by an obviously off balanced person with no supporting evidence or even character witnesses is not even remotely newsworthy..

The real, factual rape committed by Clinton and backed up by witnesses that comforted the victim is newsworthy..

Clinton is a rapist...and a sexual predator...

it will only be a matter of time until he gets caught red handed...if the victims are not terrorized into silence by his goons first..

America's first black president...

what a joke...
America's first Rapist in the Oval office is a better headline...