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So if ANSWER is IAC which in turn is WW. Does anyone even care?
??
So the connection between ANSWER, the IAC and Workers World Party is VERY CLEAR! you can see this easily by just going to the following website
ANSWER
http://www.internationalanswer.org/
IAC
http://www.iacenter.org/
WORKERS WORLD PARTY
http://www.workers.org/
They don't even hide it. The same phone # and fax # this is listed on the IAC and WWP as national contact #'s 212-633-6646
fax 212-633-2889
just HAPPENS to also be the same number for ANSWER national line
what the hell is going on here?
and does anyone even care?
does anyone care that they are going to basically Workers World Party protest? this is a pro-stalinist organzations BTW, a group that supported the works of the horrific Slobodan Milosevic, a group that supported Deng Xiaoping in the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre.
Do any of you so called activist even give a fuck? and you call it red-baiting when people point this shit out. This makes me so sick.
What the hell is wrong with these organizations. Why the hell can't any of you stay honest and decent, and let people know what you believe and THEN find out if they actually support you? why do you have to lie and EXPLOIT the anti-war movement with your awful protests with people just holding signs and walking around, protests that get NOTHING done! NOTHING! you had 200,000 or however many people in the streets of SF and DC, what the hell did that do? you could have organzied NON-VIOLENT civil disobediance, and you didn't even do that. Right now it's Wed. Jan 22, 5 days after your march, and everyone has forgot about what happned this weekend already. NOBODY is talking about, because as usual it was a waste of time, money and energy, that accomplished NOTHING!
Anyone who brings up these issues you say that they are using cointelpro.
It's not cointelpro to critize, especially when the lies and bull shit are coming from your side, it's not cointelpro to point out the obvious, you all don't even try to hide it, it's as plain as day.
the WWP (Workers World Party) is the IAC (international Action center) which in turn is ANSWER. You share the same phone lines, meet in the same offices, have the same power structure, fund each others events.
is there even a list to account for any of the $$ that you spend. You ask for donations at every rally, it feels like im attending chruch. What the hell do you do with that money that people give you. It's their hard earned dollars. What do you do with it? who decided what you do with it? where does it go? and to what organzations.
You want the red-baiting to end? well you can have that in a very simple step.
BE HONEST!
BE HONEST
BE TRANSPARENT
BE TRANSPARENT
are you that ashamed of your WWP politics that you have to hide it not just behind ONE but but behind TWO organizations?
ANSWER is not the answer, and this "red-baiting" will not go away until you stop your irresponsible and disgusting organzing practices.
Want more proof? check out:
http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/01/27079.php
or
http://authoritarianopportunistswhocozyuptogenocidaldictators-forpeace.org/
ANSWER
http://www.internationalanswer.org/
IAC
http://www.iacenter.org/
WORKERS WORLD PARTY
http://www.workers.org/
They don't even hide it. The same phone # and fax # this is listed on the IAC and WWP as national contact #'s 212-633-6646
fax 212-633-2889
just HAPPENS to also be the same number for ANSWER national line
what the hell is going on here?
and does anyone even care?
does anyone care that they are going to basically Workers World Party protest? this is a pro-stalinist organzations BTW, a group that supported the works of the horrific Slobodan Milosevic, a group that supported Deng Xiaoping in the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre.
Do any of you so called activist even give a fuck? and you call it red-baiting when people point this shit out. This makes me so sick.
What the hell is wrong with these organizations. Why the hell can't any of you stay honest and decent, and let people know what you believe and THEN find out if they actually support you? why do you have to lie and EXPLOIT the anti-war movement with your awful protests with people just holding signs and walking around, protests that get NOTHING done! NOTHING! you had 200,000 or however many people in the streets of SF and DC, what the hell did that do? you could have organzied NON-VIOLENT civil disobediance, and you didn't even do that. Right now it's Wed. Jan 22, 5 days after your march, and everyone has forgot about what happned this weekend already. NOBODY is talking about, because as usual it was a waste of time, money and energy, that accomplished NOTHING!
Anyone who brings up these issues you say that they are using cointelpro.
It's not cointelpro to critize, especially when the lies and bull shit are coming from your side, it's not cointelpro to point out the obvious, you all don't even try to hide it, it's as plain as day.
the WWP (Workers World Party) is the IAC (international Action center) which in turn is ANSWER. You share the same phone lines, meet in the same offices, have the same power structure, fund each others events.
is there even a list to account for any of the $$ that you spend. You ask for donations at every rally, it feels like im attending chruch. What the hell do you do with that money that people give you. It's their hard earned dollars. What do you do with it? who decided what you do with it? where does it go? and to what organzations.
You want the red-baiting to end? well you can have that in a very simple step.
BE HONEST!
BE HONEST
BE TRANSPARENT
BE TRANSPARENT
are you that ashamed of your WWP politics that you have to hide it not just behind ONE but but behind TWO organizations?
ANSWER is not the answer, and this "red-baiting" will not go away until you stop your irresponsible and disgusting organzing practices.
Want more proof? check out:
http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/01/27079.php
or
http://authoritarianopportunistswhocozyuptogenocidaldictators-forpeace.org/
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i put the sucka in the front for the ones that front
i put the sucka in the front for the ones that front
Simply COINTELPRO 101, folks.
Yes it does. It says everything about who you're willing to hop in bed with. If neo-nazis were to organize an pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel march, would you "learn to work with other anti-war groups who may share different perspectives"? Somehow my guess is you view that differently. Outsiders looking in don't view it as different. that's where your problem lies.
"that supported Deng Xiaoping in the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre"
or
"that supported the works of the horrific Slobodan Milosevic"
nobody would show up.
In this case they did good work getting people together to in a marvelous expression of our First Amendment right to peaceably petition the government for redress of grievances.
Piss on you and your red baiting tactics.
We weren't sleeping with the reds, we were protesting with them. And as long as they are going our direction we will continue to protest with them.
The Sparticists were there too, but heck, this is a free country and they have as much right to express their opinions as the rest of us do.
Why don't you state your real objection -- that you support a war against Iraq and it bothers you that some 300,000 of us in the Bay Area are willing to spend our Saturday expressing our objection to it.
The question is why do you support the Moron's Oil War? Are you in the Oil industry? Do you drive a huge SUV? Are you interested in seeing one of Israel's hostile neighbors squashed? Or are you just one of those people who believes everything the government tells you?
Red-baiting is old news. The left is not afraid of McCarthy's tactics anymore.
Try a real argument next time.
Sadmadman is about to get his but reamed and yoy can take that to the bank. Soon the people of Iraq will be free of this terrorist and his ass will be in prison for war crimes.
This country is going to stop the terrorist Sadam and the rest of his ilk. No more VS, Mustard, anthrax and nukes for insane tyrants. If that policy fails it's only a matter of time before the terrorists nuke an American City.
Get real, this is about protecting our people and about freedom for the honest and deserving people of Iraq.
All you shitball commie loosers can bark at the moon . No one cares what you say or do. Real lovers of freedom see right through your bullshittt.
The reality of it, it comes down to my guy vs. your guy – instead of principals. How often I have seen people throw away their general principals and played followed the leader simply because their guy was in charge. The bombings in Bosnia is a perfect example. A majority of the anti-bombing campaign came from the Conservatives, and you can bet a lot of the reasoning came from being Anti-Clinton. Same is true with Iraq, a majority of the anti-bombing campaign comes from the Liberals, and you can bet a majority of the reasoning is coming from being Anti-Bush.
It’s sad to see this country become a land of Lemmings instead of a land of individualist.
That said, no one I spoke to on Saturday had any clue who ANSWER is or that the march was sponsored by them.
The march was a success in spite of ANSWER. Did you see the people not putting the money in the large bins held by people with pro-Intifada shrits on? I did. I have never been to a march where so many people ignored the please for funding!
Did you notice that the people by the rally area were not the same as the people on the march? I did. It was like there were two different marches going on.
While it is sad that groups like ANSWER are deliberately buying up march permits and trying to co-opt the anti-war movement, the reality is that 200,000 of us were there, displaying our opposition to the war. Almost no one there knew a thing about ANSWER.
The reality is that ANSWER put a lot of money and effort into spreading their hate agenda and failed miserably.
Instead of ANSWER co-opting the the anti-war movement, the anti-war demonstrators co-opted ANSWER's demonstration.
As to the Anti-Americanism, Yes again. I listen to several of the speeches on the radio and they had 3 common themes 1) Anti-War 2) Anti-Bush 3) Anti-America. Often times the Anti-Bush and Anti-America message took more of precedence in the speeches than the Anti-War message. Do you remember the several Free Speech and 1st Amendment Rallies took place in the south? Well, several thousands of people showed up to them saying Yes to Free Speech and the 1st Amendment. That sounds great on the surface, but when people looked into whom was sponsoring these events, it was discovered to be the KKK. Now do your march in solidarity with the KKK to Free Speech and the 1st Amendment or do you stay away because the principals of the KKK are not yours? Now if you you showed up to the march simply because it was an "Anti-War" without understanding whom was sponsoring the event, then you are just as Lemming like as those who attended the KKK Free Speech Rally. And if you went knowing that this was sponsored by ANSWER, then we know what you are about.