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-Israel leads the continuation of violence in the Middle East, report from ISM member Ann Quinn from the back of an ambulance in Nablus
-also an interview with ISM members Adam Shapiro and Huwaida Arraf in studio
-a talk with Patriot Act resistor, Daniel Ellsberg
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It is a place I know too well, I have been there at least 6 times over the past two weeks to prepare a photo essay on the foreign workers community in Israel. I actually had photos of Chinese immigrants sitting just last Friday at the exact restaurant that was destroyed yesterday - they were looking at photos of their sweethearts.
The damage is unbelievable, many stores at both sides of the streets and in near by street are damaged beyond belief. Opposing the main restaurant that was hit there was a small Chinese food place - it is completely burned with food still at the Wok. 2 stories above the stores there are several severly-damaged apartments. I have seen places of suicide bombing before but this is the worst - I can not understand the scope of that damage - this is not a bomb belt - this must have been a heavy backpack or a suitcase full of explosives.
The street itself was washed but there are places on the sides where t is still bloody. The worst is all the small pieces of human remains that are smashed on the floors some as high as the 3rd floor - there were people literally scratching these remains out of the walls.
Someone showed me example of what was in the explosive charge: a bolt of about 3/8 of an inch thick cut in diagonal and sharpened at all ends to create maximum tearing affect.
The population that was wounded is mostly non-Israeli: Chinese, Philippines - including a family all of them where moderately wounded including a 6-month pregnant women who lost her baby - ukteranians, many Romanians, Russians, many Africans and more. Of course there are also Israeli victims: About half of the dead are Israeli civilians.
I do not think you will hear about it in falsepoints.
Abu
Until "Abu" responds to the five questions posted to him here
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/01/1556874
we can only assume he's a propagandist.
I also want to point out to Abu that, since he(?) is not identifiable, nothing he says about things he has seen or heard constitutes evidence. An anonymous (or otherwise unidentifiable) poster can reasonably give references and make arguments based on such references or on generally known facts, but cannot be taken seriously as a witness to anything. “
Amazing it has just struck me for the first time; people on this board take the nonsense they publish very serious. They so much believe in the hate propaganda they send from one to another that they want readers who disagree, with the lies and the hate that they are spreading to actually bring evidence that will show their lies are actually lies.
Amazing…
It is very unfortunate that such ignorance exists in the US of the 21st century.
Israel is no evil empire; its very existent is threatened on a daily basis by the Arab states and the 1.7 billion Muslims it is surrounded by.
These countries and individuals have never accepted the existence of a Jewish Israeli state in the region, in their ignorance and propaganda they do not recognize the right of any non-Arab or Muslim to live in this area. In their ignorance they do not recognize the facts of the past non-interruptible Jewish presence in this area. For them Israel never existed in this area and all archeological ruins that proves otherwise are no more that a Jewish propaganda that is and was deliberately and maliciously spread by the Zionist and Jewish lobby that controls the media. Arab, as well as left wing European and American movements r hatred towards Israel is being marketed to the free world every day as a form of Humanistic Justice liberal movement, where in fact it is no more than modern Nazism and Racism.
Nazism and Racism towards Jews, unfortunately, are not going to die or disappear, they are here to stay, 2000 years of hatred were, obviously, not enough. But still the opinions represented by you and your kind are soon to be obsolete, your fellow Muslims does the ambassadors diplomatic work for the state of Israel –
Do you know what is the most popular name in the Muslim world this year?
It was Osama…and from what other name did Osama take the lead? Saddam…
And I rest my case,
Have a good day
Yeah, right... most leftists support Palestinian attacks on Israelis.... Just another message post by you all (or just you) to increase the noise on SF Indymedia. It should be patently obvious to most visitors stopping by briefly to read news here that your contention that leftists support Palestinian attacks on Israelis is nonsense. You're paranoid and delusional.
Yes you are right, we have already realized that in your eyes, We are all the same…Jews Zionists Israelis...
You are nothing but a racist Anti-Semite!!!
2nd Newsflash: One can be in favor of Palestinian rights and have progressive views without being 1 iota in favor of Arab (or anyone) attacks on Jews.
3rd Newsflash: You need to stop reading the crap on the "Nation Vanguard" website. It's fucking with your mind.
2. Progressive? How did you come to that conclusion, it is amazing how left wingers like to think highly of themselves, their opinions and righteousness, while seeing everything that contradicts them as just the opposite…
Progressive sounds like progress advanced, smells good…
Hate to disapoint you, your opinions are as old as the history of religion my Jew friend – Identifying the Jewish/Zionist/Israeli victim and crucifying him.
And the fact that these “Progressive” opinions comes from a Jew is no surprise at all, for the essence of left is the ability to look from above and CRITISIZE all the rest of us “simple” human beings, from its “Non Existent Higher Moral Ground”…
I am also of the same view that Israel MUST pull back to the green line, that Palestinian have a right for a statehood.
However, I am against terror and against providing the idological support for terror and this is EXCTLY what Adam, Huwida, gassan and Dennis are all doing ?
Have you read the ISM article: "Why we do not speak against suicide bombing ?" at least they were honet about the fact that they are not agisnt it and that they protect homes of bombers from IDF. DEnnis does not even mention what really goes on in Israel/palestine on his show - he just fabricate stories and whant you to buy it. Dennis has the rights on the liwe that F-16s bombed and destroyed the jenin camp, Dennis has invented massacre stories (in last october he reported on the "massacere of beit Rima" which was a abttle in whch 5 palestinian soldiers were killed when they protected terrorists who the IDF came to arrest - go check his archioves on his web site and compare to the facts as they become known later) I can go on and on last week it was lies on kids getting exceuted and this week about "55 killed in nablus for no reason" - he is just inveting stories.
Maybe Dennis is wrong to call that a massacre. Or maybe every death is a massacre. But he's one of the few people trying to get the full story out. The deaths of 5 Palestinians is sometimes not reported at all in the US press, whereas that is *never* the case for Israelis.
Rather than only talking about Dennis, take a look at the rest of the media coverage, the incredible bias that already runs rampant against the Palestinians. While tens of Palestinians are murdered across the span of days or weeks, the media reports it as a 'period of calm.'
But you choose to focus on one of the few people who is trying to get the message out about what's going on there, a message that doesn't bias in the way that virtually all other (and certainly all corporate) media do. This is a person who recieves numerous death threats for his work on this.
Like I said, maybe Dennis shouldn't call the death of 5 people a massacre. Or maybe the problem is in how we report ALL deaths.
But since you may not be familiar, read below how most US sources report on the situation.
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How many Palestinian lives equal one Israeli life, according to the editors of the New York Times?
The main headline on the front page of the New York Times' April 10 final edition was "At Least 8 Killed In Suicide Bombing On A Bus In Israel." The late edition, which is available to more readers, had "13 Israeli Troops Killed in Ambush; Bus Bomb Kills 10," in the 36-point headline size that the paper reserves for what it considers major events.
Six paragraphs into the story, the paper provided this additional information: "More than 100 Palestinians have been killed in Jenin, the Palestinian town that has brought the stiffest resistance to the broad Israeli sweep through the West Bank. Many of the Palestinian dead still lie where they fell."
By its headline choice, the Times suggested that the deaths of 23 Israelis (or eight, in the final edition) are more important than the deaths of 100 Palestinians.
http://www.fair.org/activism/nyt-israel-headlines.html
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What NPR means by this was spelled out most explicitly by Linda Gradstein in a January 4 report on the envoy’s mission. "You know, there's been actually three weeks of relative quiet,” she said. “Only one Israeli has been killed in those three weeks, as opposed to 44 Israelis who were killed when Zinni was here last time in November and early December."
What Gradstein didn’t mention-- and what someone who relied on NPR for their Middle Eastern news would have little idea of -- was that this has been in no way a period of calm for Palestinians. In fact, in the three-week period that Gradstein referred to, at least 26 Palestinians were killed by occupation forces-- more than one a day.
Media critic Ali Abunimah documented the killings in a letter of protest to NPR (1/8/02), starting with 13-year-old Rami Khamis Al-Zorob, shot in the head on December 13 while playing near his home in Rafah, Gaza. Most of the deaths cited by Abunimah were of unarmed civilians; six were minors, ranging in age from 12 to 17.
But none of these deaths received much attention from NPR, leaving the impression that calm for Israelis was calm for Palestinians as well. One of the few times that the Palestinian toll was even vaguely referred to was in this December 24 exchange between "All Things Considered" anchor Robert Siegel and correspondent Peter Kenyon:
SIEGEL: “There was a resumption of violence today, I gather, a shooting of a Jewish settler.”
KENYON: “That's right, the first such shooting of a Jewish settler after a week of comparative quiet. There have been some deaths on the Palestinian side in the past week. But tonight a Jewish settler was shot in the chest, seriously wounded by Palestinian gunmen up near Nablus and the West Bank. One of the gunmen was also shot, and he was killed.”
Kenyon agrees with Siegel’s claim that December 24 marked a “resumption of violence,” even while acknowledging that “there have been some deaths on the Palestinian side.” In fact, there had been at least five Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in the previous week, including 12-year-old Muhammad Huneidek, shot in the chest at a checkpoint near the Neve Dekalim settlement near Gaza. Are we to conclude, then, that the killing of Palestinians is not violence?
That’s the contention of the Israeli government, and NPR appears to take this position seriously.
http://www.fair.org/activism/npr-israel-quiet.html
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Moshe, lighten up dude.
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