Action Alert: Protest Racist Apartheid Israel!

with an apartheid regime.

Just take one look at their flag: it has ONLY the Star of David on it. This PROVES that it is a theocracy and as such cannot possibly be a true democracy, when there are naturally citizens who are Muslim, Christian and Druze, and if you include all the Palestinian refugees (not the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories but those who were driven off their homeland in 1948 and never allowed to return EVEN THO it IS their right to return according to UN Resolutions, International Law and world opinion) there would be a probable MAJORITY of Muslims. Contrary to what some Zionists would have you believe, Jews and Muslims lived together in harmony for hundreds of years UNTIL racist, apartheid Jewish supremacist Israel came into existence under the auspices of the UN which was made up of only European countries, who decided it was a good idea (NOT) to give someone elses lands away to the Zionist Jews. And sorry, Zionists, the expiration date was long expired, 2000 years ago, to think you can come traipsing back in to take over. THINK AGAIN. Ethnic cleansing can never be justified. It wasn't right in Nazi Germany and it's not right in Zionist Israel.

A post by a guy who claims his name is "Fahad" was just hidden because it was racist propaganda from National Alliance. That crap is not allowed here. If you happen to see any that we missed, write and tell us about it:

imc-sf-editorial [at] indymedia.org

We'll deal with it immediately.

I strongly disagree with much of Israel's policies, but there is not one single piece of evidence that Israel is either an apartheid nation or performing any sort of ethnic cleansing. I found this out when researching claims to the contrary... I've been at it for over a year now, and it's simply untrue that this ethnic cleansing or apartheid is taking place. Sorry to dissapoint so many, but it's not there. Disagree with Israel, protest, but be informed. Ther is simply no truth to the accusations, terrible acts in this war, that's for sure, but not what your article claims.

This is an unsubstantiated allegation. Where's your proof?

The proof is upon those who claim it is happening to prove it to the world in such a way that something is actually done about it. If nothing is done to completely stop it, then one must conclude the evidence was not sufficient to warrant action.

<<<<< The proof is upon those who claim it is happening to prove it to the world in such a way that something is actually done about it. If nothing is done to completely stop it, then one must conclude the evidence was not sufficient to warrant action. >>>>>

So what you mean then is because nobody did anything about the Nanking massacre, or about the massacre of Jews, Gypsies and other minorities in WWII, then they didn't happen? What kind of Orwellian logic is that?

I dtír na ndall, is rí fear an leathsúile.
(Irish Proverb - In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.)

Obviously, Dork, you must not be looking too hard for "proof" of Israeli apartheid! Because it's all over the internet and in slide shows by peace activists coming to a theatre near you!

Just go ahead and do a Google search on "israeli apartheid"! See what you come up with!

There's actually a documentary out called "Truth: Exposing Israeli Apartheid" that features many examples of apartheid in Israel. If you want it, (which of course YOU don't), send $20 cash to Truth, PO Box 10458, Oakland, CA 94610, with your return address for the tape to be sent to.

In the documentary, an Israeli Refusenik says plainly "Israel has a racist, anti-democratic apartheid regime". HE ought to know, DimWit! Also there is footage of Jews Only settlements with barbed wire walls around them, and a picture of a Jews Only bypass road, forbidden to use by Palestinians, which is over the original ancient winding Palestinian road. Every South African will tell you, that Israeli apartheid is WORSE than the South African apartheid was.

You just don't want to believe it. But others do, can and will. You can't hide the TRUTH.

There are many excellent books as well, on the topic. Get "The New Intifada: Resisting Israel's Apartheid" edited by Roane Carey. You can easily get it at Cody's or Barnes and Noble or Borders, or they can order it for you.
WHY DON'T YOU PUT IT ON YOUR CHRISTMAS LIST? OR SHOULD I SAY YOUR CHANNUKAH LIST?

>The proof is upon those who claim it is happening to prove it to the world

What are you trying to say here, that the *burden* of proof is upon those who claim it is happening? If so, it’s been done, repeatedly, and by a wide variety of people.

You’re attempting to change the subject here. Your own allegation is still unsubstantiated. Substantiate your allegation or, by definition, it is an unsubstantiated allegation. Period. End of story.


>in such a way that something is actually done about it.

>If nothing is done to completely stop it, then one must conclude the evidence was not sufficient to warrant action.

This assumes that only lack of evidence prevents “the world” from acting. You duplicitously omit mention Israel’s army, the fourth largest on earth, the 300-400 nukes it possesses, and the 600 pound gorilla it has for a bodyguard.

The vast majority of Israel was actually purchased by Jews beginning in the 1800's. It wasn't until then Palestine and now Israel became thriving and hospitable that the "displaced" arabs suddenly wanted it. The arab propaganda would love you to believe (as you have clearly succumbed) that arabs were forced from their homes. With the exception of a few instances during TIMES OF WAR, when arabs were relocated (and sometimes paid) for strategic reasons, arabs were not forced from their lands.

In addition, on the subject of genocide, it has always been the intentions of the arab states to destroy Israel and the Jews. The Koran tells them to. So if you want to talk about genocide, I suggest looking under the kaffiah.

Bob N.

What the hell are you talking about? Was something done about the Nanking massacre, or about the massacre of Jews, Gypsies and other minorities in WWII? Yes, of course something was done. And because of that, then one must conclude the evidence was sufficient to warrant action.


Proof.

You believe everything that comes up on a search on Google? So there's some tapes and books out on it. There's tapes and book out on all sorts of things. Is Israel practicing their own form of apartheid? Then the world in unison will rise up to stop it. If the world doesn't, if nothing is done to completely stop it, then one must conclude the evidence is not sufficient to warrant action.

>Yes, of course something was done. And because of that, then one must conclude the evidence was sufficient to warrant action.

What, exactly, was done?

>Is Israel practicing their own form of apartheid? Then the world in unison will rise up to stop it.

Just like it rose up in unison to stop South African apartheid, right? Sure. Any day.

Why on earth would you expect us to believe something that? It is unproven, unprovable and doesn't even make sense. The whole world has never done anything in unison, ever, not once. Why should it start now, especially when it entails going up against the world's fourth largest army, 300-400 nukes and the world's only superpower backing it up. This is kindergarten logic.

>If the world doesn't, if nothing is done to completely stop it, then one must conclude the evidence is not sufficient to warrant action.

This does not follow. You're begging the question. You really need to learn some basic logic. Here are a couple good places to start:

http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/toc.htm

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

Besides, at least part of the world has tried to stop it. They were repelled with bloody losses by the IDF and their efforts are portrayed as “Arab aggression” but the Zionist propaganda mill.

<Just like it rose up in unison to stop South African apartheid>

Yeap

''All the news that's fit to print, except unfavorable news about Israel''

By Raff Ellis
YellowTimes.org Columnist (United States)

(YellowTimes.org) - Everyone knows the above popular slogan, slightly modified of course, belongs to a major national newspaper. In today's world, such slogans have become entirely meaningless and are as hollow as the sound you get banging on an empty oil drum. Equally meaningless are the names of newspapers, which in yesteryear were meant to signify integrity in news reporting. The herald, tribune, sentinel, beacon, chronicle, etc. are names associated with the ancient tradition of information gathering and distribution. Sadly, that tradition has fallen victim to the corporate and political manipulation that has rendered unbiased reporting obsolete.

In today's world the information dissemination business operates like a pretzel factory where the stories are twisted, formed, sprinkled with the salt of bias and baked into a palatable product for consumption by an increasingly gullible public. The resulting "news" is meant to taste good and to be consumed without question.

Although examples of bias run across the spectrum of special interests, the most egregious examples come from the treatment of news about the Middle East. Criticizing the state of Israel is not good policy in America, either for newsmen or politicians. Therefore, the best examples of media bias come from the lack of coverage of bad acts. Here's a sampling of the accounts you missed.

Item 1. United Nations relief workers in Afghanistan were summarily shot by government troops as they awaited transport to their billets. The soldiers ordered the workers to kneel down and face the ground, then unexpectedly showered them with a barrage of bullets, killing seven and wounding many others. What! Oops, my mistake. It wasn't UN workers and Afghanis; it was Palestinian workers in Rishon Lezion of the West Bank shot by Israeli soldiers on May 20, 1990, as they awaited transport to Gaza.

Item 2. Jewish men in Basra, Iraq, were stripped naked at gunpoint in the street and forced to walk home in utter humiliation while their friends and relatives looked on. You guessed it. It wasn't in Iraq but in the West Bank city of Nablus on November 24, 2002 where Palestinian men were forced to undress by Israeli soldiers. "They forced Yasser Sharaf, 25, to take off all his clothes including his underwear...They ordered him to walk like a dog and then he burst into tears," Palestinian fireman Samir el Lifdawi said of one of the men. To compound the humiliation, a Reuters photographer recorded the scene.

Item 3. The former chief mufti in Saudi Arabia openly advocated a 'Final Solution' to annihilate the Jews. Speaking at the widely broadcast sermon marking the end of Ramadan, he declared of the Jews: "Allah shall return their deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable." You guessed it; I did it again. The reason you never read this shocking and provocative story is that it happened in Israel and it was former chief rabbi Ovadia Yossef, who is also a founder and spiritual leader of the religious Shas party (Israel's third largest political party). He made these remarks in a speech marking the end of the Passover fast, openly advocating a 'Final Solution' to annihilate the Palestinians.

Item 4. Egyptian troops invaded the Jewish quarter of Cairo and desecrated the Hebrew temple by blowing up the entrance, causing serious damage to the structure. After entering, they defecated and urinated inside the temple, arresting the rabbi and the cantor before leaving the premises. You're catching on; it didn't happen in Egypt but in Jenin and Dura, Palestine, and it was Israeli soldiers and a mosque, not a Jewish temple. The opprobrious behavior occurred in Jenin on 24 November 2002, and in Dura on 25 September 2002. In Jenin, Israeli soldiers blew up the entrance to the mosque and then entered without taking their boots off, tore up religious texts and arrested the imam and muezzin (caller of prayer) before leaving the premises. In Dura, the Israeli troops urinated and defecated inside the Mosque and placed the Israeli flag atop the building's minaret.

Had these stories been atrocities against Jews or Israelis instead of Palestinians or Arabs, the headlines would have screamed out at us. The President and various congressmen would have loudly and subserviently condemned such acts, and I guarantee it wouldn't have been with the mild rebukes we've heard such as, "It was a bit heavy handed."

I could continue with a lengthy rendition of the many atrocities, including rape and robbery, in addition to wanton murder by Israelis that go undocumented in the American press. Israel's supporters don't like this kind of publicity and do all in their power to suppress their publication. The media, in order to keep up its unflinching support for Israel, continue to portray the occupiers as the underdog, struggling to survive against the Moslem hordes of Arabia. They are a democracy after all and couldn't possibly behave in such a reprehensible fashion, could they?

In addition to the non-reporting of actual events, we see an irresponsible penchant for reporting non-events from so-called "credible sources," which, of course, remain anonymous. Recent examples include reports that Al Qaeda is setting up terrorist cells in the West Bank. This intelligence was attributed to an e-mail message reportedly sent by an Al Qaeda operative and validated by none other than Israel's prime minister, who, by the way, has no vested interest in having that rumor widely circulated. Of course, after having been slammed, spammed and spoofed, we all know how tough it is to fabricate bogus Internet messages. Only later did we find, from foreign sources of course, that Mossad agents have been recruiting people to set up such cells.

Another example is Canada's recent decision to place Hizbullah on its terrorist list based largely on the report that that group's leader had issued a call for suicide bombings around the world against both American and Israeli interests. A reporter in England, who has been previously implicated in filing false stories, fabricated this startling report. The fact that Hizbullah's leader never said this hasn't made the rounds yet.

Of course, once the canard takes wing, it's almost impossible to undo the damage. Disinformation from news media is so rampant today that the journalistic standard of verifying sources has gone out the window.

The irony is that many of these events are reported or discussed in the Israeli press but can't seem to make it across the ocean into U.S. newsrooms. The man on the street in America is generally unaware of these happenings and, if our esteemed news organizations get their wish, he will remain that way.

All the news that's fit to print. Indeed.

[Raff Ellis lives in the United States and is a retired former strategic planner and computer industry executive. He has had an abiding and active interest in the Middle East since early adulthood and has traveled to the region many times over the last 30 years.]

After the Nanking massacre, there were verbal condemnations and irate protests. How many countries responded by sending military aid to China. The Japanese military juggernaut kept rolling. And what about the massacre of Jews and Gypsies, etc by the Nazis. The Allies could have bombed railheads or facilities in death camps, which was what the suffering Jews and other victims were pleading for. For the most part they kept the Allies kept their response low key. They had higher priorities. Action was "not warranted."

But lets try another application of your logic. What about the killing of Kitty Genovese in New York. Does the fact that no one responded to her cries for help mean that helping her wasn't warranted? (see http://www.lihistory.com/8/hs818a.htm)

(Detectives investigating Genovese's murder discovered that no fewer than 38 of her neighbors had witnessed at least one of her killer's three attacks but had neither come to her aid nor called the police. The one call made to the police came after Genovese was already dead. )

Frankly, your logic stinks.


Is fearr socrú dá dhonacht ná dlí dá fheabhas.
(Irish - It's better to solve the problem than to improve the law.)

Since you brought up the infamous Kitty Genovese murder, perhaps you would be interested in knowing that commonly accepted beliefs are not always so. Read http://www.oldkewgardens.com/ss-lefferts-1100.html for a clear explanation of the events of that long ago night in Queens.

The perpetrator of the crime, Winston Moseley, has been in prison for the crime since 1964. http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/kitty_genovese/10.htm