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Proud and Insolent Youth Incorporated
The man who killed a Police Officer in Red Bluff, CA claims immunity because he was incorporated.
Hello Everyone, my name’s Andy. I killed a Police Officer in Red Bluff, California in a motion to bring attention to, and halt, the police-state tactics that have come to be used throughout our country.
Now I’m coming forward, to explain that this killing was also an action against corporate irresponsibility.
All of the major problems in America and throughout the world today are caused by corporate irresponsibility.
The very concept behind corporations is to protect their owners from taking responsibility for their actions. This means that directors within corporations can dump waste chemicals in our drinking water, or keep our work environments in fatally dangerous conditions without any personal liability. Corporations murder thousands of people each year this way and are never held accountable.
As a statement against this practice, prior to my action in Red Bluff, I formed a corporation under the name “Proud and Insolent Youth Incorporated,” so that I could use the destructive immunity of corporations and turn it on something that actually should be destroyed.
The name ‘Proud and Insolent Youth’ is a reference to Peter Pan.
Just before their final dual and Captain Hook’s demise, Hook said to Peter, “Proud and insolent youth, prepare to meet thy doom.”
To which Peter replied, “Dark and sinister man, have at thee!”
Now, Peter Pan hates pirates, and I hate pirates, and corporations are nothing but a bunch of pirates. It’s time to send them to a watery grave, and rip them completely out of our lives.
The top 4%, the richest people in America, have more money than the lower 50% of the country combined. And it’s not because they scrimp and save or because they are somehow more deserving. It’s because they cheat and steal and twist the rules to their advantage.
They shatter smaller companies, downsize their own companies, and ship their own factories overseas or across the border to make fortunes in immoral money games. The people who lose out in this are the workers, the people who actually make things of value.
The question corporate capitalists have asked themselves is ‘why empower workers in America to demand better wages, better working conditions, and equal social rights, when you can ship those jobs off to a Colombian or Sri Lankan who can be forced to work under slave-like conditions?’
Don’t think the government is going to help us. Our government leaders are getting paid by them.
Selling out to the rich is inherent to political survival.
In order to afford dazzling election campaigns and make it into their positions of power in the first place, politicians will sell out to whoever can offer them the most money.
Likewise, the corporate lobbies that constantly press themselves upon our lawmakers have both billions of dollars at their disposal and great influence upon which laws are blocked or passed.
These things combined together means that someone who dedicates their lives to making other lives better will never be able to have the same political influence as someone who destroys lives and the environment in the pursuit of money.
Any laws established in the past that protect the American people, the environment, or smaller companies over corporate profits, our lawmakers will sweep away through Deregulation.
Corporate executives and well-preened conservative politicians talk about Deregulation in terms of ‘getting the government off our backs.’ This is because the role of the government is to protect its citizens, and ensuring that workers are protected costs these rich people money. But Deregulation simply gives corporations free reign over their markets, enabling them to overwhelm and envelope smaller companies, destroying our rights and natural resources along the way.
The government is also willing to look the other way while these same people claim outrageous tax breaks. Corporate executives buy gold-plated plumbing fixtures, stay in $3,000 a night hotel suites, take $2,000 wine-tasting classes, or buy $20,000 worth of rugs, and then have their corporations write these expenses off on their taxes. This means that those of us who actually do pay our taxes end up footing the bill for these luxury items!
Laws are even invented specifically for corporations which enable them to avoid paying taxes in ways that the average person is denied.
Through the IRS’s Net Operating Loss deduction, corporations can demand back tax money they’ve paid if they lose money in their business. When you are just barely able to afford rent, and groceries, are you allowed to ask for your taxes back? No.
Yet many multibillion-dollar corporations finagle their way out of paying any taxes at all. And still, some politicians are willing to badmouth ‘Welfare’ as the big inefficiency of our tax system. But less than $23 billion dollars is spent on Welfare annually, whereas over $100 billion is given away to big business each year to help them do things they should pay for themselves, such as buying new equipment or advertising their products. This ‘Corporate Welfare’ is even claimed by some experts to soak up $800 billion dollars of our national budget. This is even outside of the tax money corporations save, and the other hundreds of billions of dollars given away to corporations for other reasons.
Corporations will not voluntarily give up their dominating power of political immunity and the financial wealth it gains them. And with all our government leaders either personally connected to corporations or sold out to them, if we try to remove this corporate influence by ourselves, we will find ‘the Law,’ with all its weight, upon us.
Our politicians have no serious proposals for the problems of health care, unemployment, crime, disappearing pensions, or any of the pressing social issues that actually afflict us, yet they vote themselves raises every year. They vote themselves solid health care plans. They vote themselves hefty pensions. What about our health care? What about our pensions? Why don’t they watch after us the same way they watch after themselves?
It’s because if we had the opportunity to provide ourselves all of these things, the politicians and CEO’s wouldn’t be able to take the money for themselves. Having to spend all of our time to meet our middle and lower class needs means that we will not have time to fight against the forces that are actually pressing us into this situation. And the inevitable competition that results from this lifestyle splits us up, so that we cannot unite in an effort to destroy it.
The only uniting we are allowed is against the common enemies we are doctored to believe in, the foreign ‘terrorists’ who come to attack us. But these ‘terrorists’ do not violently attack the United States because they hate freedom, or because they think blowing themselves up is cool. They use violence against the U.S. because U.S. corporations and the U.S. government are murdering their families and destroying their countries.
As demoralizing as corporations make our lives, and as bland as they make our culture here in the U.S, corporations practice their immunity in far more brutal and murderous ways in foreign countries.
We are lead to believe that Third World countries are under-developed because the people living there just somehow don’t have the intelligence to drag themselves out of poverty.
The truth is that the people of these Third World countries know exactly how to get themselves out of their economic ruts, but are forcefully kept from doing it because of a dominating U.S. influence. These people want to develop their own industrial and technological industries by putting tariffs on U.S. products. But they can’t do this because the World Trade Organization (WTO) which is both dominated by U.S. corporations, and has the authority to regulate third world use of tariffs, prevents them from doing so.
Tariffs on U.S. products sold within Third World countries would raise their prices and ease consumption of them. This would give third world industries space in the market to strengthen themselves. Using tariffs in this manner is a fundamental tool for any country to develop into a more powerful nation, but the WTO is perpetually keeping them from doing it, just so U.S. companies can sell their own products there.
This is the exact same situation the American colonists were protesting when they threw the Boston Tea Party.
Furthermore, while these countries economies are weak, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) takes advantage of this weakness and forces them to restructure their national production in ways that are simply murderous- preventing farmers from producing crops to sustain themselves and their communities, and instead churn out more of whatever luxury products the U.S. and other developed countries want.
The IMF places such a high interest rate on its loans and restructures its debtor nations in such ridiculous ways, that these nations become locked perpetually in a poor, subservient role, unable to pay even the interest on their debts.
Then, when Third World peasants hold their own ‘Tea Parties’ and revolt against this foreign domination over their lives, corporate lobbyists cry foul and the U.S. military is called in to protect ‘U.S. interests.’ Soon following, a corrupt, U.S.-friendly government is installed, or reinforced: one that will accept blood money to do what the U.S. tells it to, and do whatever it takes to keep its own people from interfering with the U.S. role of economic supremacy.
George Kennan, the most powerful voice in U.S. foreign policy following World War II, clearly gave away these brutal motives for U.S. dominance when he said-
“[America has] about 50 percent of the world’s wealth, but only 6.3 percent of its population. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which permit us to maintain this position of disparity… To do so, we have to dispense with all sentimentality… We should cease to talk about vague and unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of living standards and democratization… The less we are hampered by idealistic slogans the better.”
American government’s collaboration with big corporations has turned America from a Republic into an Empire. In the same spirit that Rome was an Empire, raping foreign lands for labor and resources- in the same spirit that Britain was an Empire, which caused us to turn from Her in hatred.
Just as Rome and Britain did, America has military bases all over the world. How many foreign bases are established in the U.S.? How many would the American people allow?
We’re told a series of lies to make us willing to believe that having our military spread across the globe is reasonable.
The conscience of the American public is satiated with racist rhetoric, proclaiming us the ‘true defenders of freedom,’ and ‘the world’s one and only hope.’
We are told that we are the policemen of the world. We are told that our unique national position gives us the responsibility to check and balance other countries. We are told that the western citizen values life more than the overpopulated third world savages.
We are raised on something that sounds a little like this-
“We are more valuable than the others, who outnumber us and will always outnumber us. We are more valuable, because our blood has fitted us to be more inventive than the others, to be better leaders of our people than the others, because it has fitted us to be better soldiers, better statesmen, to attain a higher culture, to be better characters.”
That was Heinrich Himmler who said that, Hitler’s associate, speaking of why it was necessary for Germany to dominate the world.
Americans are no more naturally gifted with human capabilities than any other people in the world, and our lives are no more valuable than any other people in the world, either.
But these lies work because we want to believe them. It feels good to believe them.
Our leaders fervent our desire for war abroad and a police state at home by telling us that these people fighting for their freedom are ‘terrorists.’ Then they promise to protect us by destroying them through a process that will simply require us to give up a little freedom, and send our soldiers far over seas.
Hermann Goering, Hitler’s master of propaganda, explained the process like this-
“Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don’t want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in Germany... But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy… or a communist dictatorship… the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
Does that formula sound familiar?
Successful campaigns of conquest must have a cover story to gain the support of the people who will be forced to fight in it. They are given a common enemy and distracted from their problems at home. The Nazis focused on the injustices of the Versailles treaty to motivate the German people into conquering Europe. We used to focus on ‘communism’ to steal all throughout Central and South America, and other parts of the rest of the world. Nowadays we focus on ‘terrorism’ to go into Afghanistan and Iraq. Notice how the reaction from the average American to the dual knowledge that we didn’t know where Osama Bin Laden was, but were still going to attack Afghanistan anyways, was, “Well, we gotta do something.” Yes! But let’s review our options first!
George Bush isn’t sending our soldiers all over the world to protect American or any other innocent lives. This becomes obvious when we realize that the U.S. military has killed more innocent civilians in Afghanistan than were killed in the World Trade Center, and that the family members of these innocent civilians are more devoted to anti-American ‘terrorism’ than ever before.
The only way to stop ‘terrorism’ is to stop raping and destroying the places ‘terrorists’ are from.
The real reason for sending our soldiers-
1- There is an OIL pipeline soon going into Afghanistan that has been long planned, but that the Taliban would not allow U.S. companies to build.
2- Iraq is sitting on top of one of the richest OIL fields in the world.
The truth is that George Bush is risking our soldiers and killing foreign innocents so that he can STEAL OIL.
The U.S. military is being used to steal this Oil. But our military does not exist to murder people so that the American rich can steal these dead people’s resources. It exists to protect our country and our lives. The government and corporations have bastardized our military away from us, endangering us and our soldiers for their own monetary gain.
They’ve been doing it for a long time.
But many veterans, after leaving the service, step back and look at U.S. foreign policy to see it for what it is.
As a response to President Reagan’s imperialistic attacks throughout Central America in the 1980’s, Charles J. Liteky, veteran and holder of the Congressional Medal of Honor, publicly renounced and returned his Medal. The Congressional Medal of Honor is the most coveted, highest possible honor a U.S. service-person can receive, and Liteky basically said, ‘If this is what our military is about, then I don’t want it.’
But even further back than that-
Major General Smedley Butler, a U.S. Marine, looked back on his 33-year career, which took him to combat in over 5 different countries, and determined that, “War is a racket… conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the very many.”
Smedley Butler attained the highest rank possible at the time and was awarded two Congressional Medals of Honor throughout his career. Once he retired, though, he realized and publicly stated that he had given all those years and sweat and blood, simply to make foreign lands safe for Wall Street. Butler proclaimed, “To Hell with War!” and went on to state that to get rid of War we must take the profit out of War.
I, myself, am an Army veteran, not so well-decorated as the Gentlemen I mention. Nevertheless, I am a graduate of the U.S. Army Ranger School, Airborne School, and Jungle Operations Training School.
The American government is violent all over the world to protect its ill-gotten money and goods.
But the American People don’t have the right to profit off foreign deaths and silently enjoy our position, then scream bloody murder when those foreigners react to our violence with violence.
If we refuse to recognize what our government is doing and why, if we refuse to realize that American lives are no more, and no less, valuable than other nation’s, then we deserve the ‘terrorism’ that we are forcing these people to commit.
So our government is sold out to corporations, and corporations are destroying the world.
Let’s do something about it!
Which is why I incorporated in the State of New Hampshire. The New Hampshire State Constitution, in the Bill of Rights, guarantees the Right to Revolution. I quote-
“Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the whole community and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered and all other means of redress are ineffectual the people may and of right ought to reform the old or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.”
I’m going to utilize the WTO’s tactic of applying to a foreign state the laws of the state in which I was incorporated.
I encourage everyone else to do the same.
I’m opening the board of directors of Proud and Insolent Youth Inc. to anyone who wants to be a part. It’s your corporation. There are an infinite amount of stocks and they’re all free. Anyone can have one; you don’t even need a certificate.
Proud and Insolent Youth Inc. is the corporation to destroy all other corporations. Our mission statement- Whoever abuses their corporate immunity to harm life and liberty, we will destroy through the use of our own corporate immunity.
It’s foolish to whine to politicians while allowing them and the police to bluff and bully you.
Let their oppression fuel your fire. Allow your passions to fertilize the seeds of constructive revolution. Allow your love of freedom to overcome the false values they place on human life. It’s too easy to forget the controlling things that corporations and the government do and lapse into apathy. Stop forgetting right now.
Recognize that the ‘Justice System’ always either kills justice or leaves it sitting too long, stealing away our lives while we wait. We have other things to do with our lives! We came into this world, not only to make it a good place to live, but also to live in it.
There are many different ways to effectively resist, both violent and nonviolent. Both are necessary. Don’t do anything you’re uncomfortable with, and don’t pressure anyone else into anything they’re uncomfortable with.
You have the power to nonviolently shut everything down! You can simply stop. No buses, no factories. A Nationwide Strike until corporations come out from behind their shields and the government meets your demands.
You must all join together and work together for this! Young and Old! Gay and Straight! Men and Women! Races of every description!
It is time to put ourselves out there on the line and risk to reach out for the Paradise we all desire. We can make this world better!
Young people of America!- I am here to tell you- you will not grow up and suddenly realize that you were wrong and that all the older people, who are sold out to the system, were right. Teenagers!- that impulse for freedom that you feel within yourselves, which everyone else seems to be trying to silence- it is not simply a product of your age, as so many would have you believe, it is Life, tugging at you, asking you to actually be Alive! The systems of control that surround you, which you hate, do not get better as you age. The control gets more invasive, more complete. Smash it while your youth still helps you to see it!
Everyone!- Remember that the authorities will lie to you. They will try to make you distrust one another. Trust each other in spite of the disinformation they feed you. Don’t believe any rumors you hear until they are confirmed. Different views and different tactics are okay, but communicate with one another! Especially when you are two autonomous groups collaborating. Communicate and don’t believe rumors.
Communicate with the liberal press, and with indymedia.
This system of oppression is not a solid unstoppable force. They just have really good reflexes and are good at the game. It feels unstoppable because you don’t know how they operate. Learn. Study them. Follow them. Photograph them. Don’t just call them apparitions and give up trying to understand them.
Spy on the spies.
Convert them. Convert the soldiers, the cops.
They are all intelligent, capable people.
Most of them aren’t aware of these injustices, or fight to convince themselves that they’re not there, so that they can still do their jobs. Help them see. Help them come to your side. They’ll make powerful allies.
All police and all soldiers and all spooks are frustrated with their jobs. Their leaders weigh them down with paperwork, and never deploy them to the hilt of their capabilities. They are all dissatisfied with the ways their out-of-touch leaders command them about. These foot soldiers simply want to be strong, and have accepted the official politics handed to them. Give them better politics and better strength. Offer them a better world and they will come over.
Manifest the World you want to live in!
Do this for yourselves.
If this be treason, make the most of it.
And finally, I must address Mister Bush, the one in the Oval Office-
Mister Bush,
The Presidential election process in our country has been taken away from the American people. Through the combined existence of the electoral college and the campaign funding process, it is guaranteed that any candidate actually willing to care for the good of the people will never get elected. Beyond this, even within the confines of this system, you were never actually elected with a popular vote from the American people.
Please set in place a democratic, beneficial election system and step down from the Presidency. Al Gore, who was popularly elected through this flawed system, shall serve as the temporary President until a True Representative of the People is determined.
God Bless Us, Every One,
Andy
Now I’m coming forward, to explain that this killing was also an action against corporate irresponsibility.
All of the major problems in America and throughout the world today are caused by corporate irresponsibility.
The very concept behind corporations is to protect their owners from taking responsibility for their actions. This means that directors within corporations can dump waste chemicals in our drinking water, or keep our work environments in fatally dangerous conditions without any personal liability. Corporations murder thousands of people each year this way and are never held accountable.
As a statement against this practice, prior to my action in Red Bluff, I formed a corporation under the name “Proud and Insolent Youth Incorporated,” so that I could use the destructive immunity of corporations and turn it on something that actually should be destroyed.
The name ‘Proud and Insolent Youth’ is a reference to Peter Pan.
Just before their final dual and Captain Hook’s demise, Hook said to Peter, “Proud and insolent youth, prepare to meet thy doom.”
To which Peter replied, “Dark and sinister man, have at thee!”
Now, Peter Pan hates pirates, and I hate pirates, and corporations are nothing but a bunch of pirates. It’s time to send them to a watery grave, and rip them completely out of our lives.
The top 4%, the richest people in America, have more money than the lower 50% of the country combined. And it’s not because they scrimp and save or because they are somehow more deserving. It’s because they cheat and steal and twist the rules to their advantage.
They shatter smaller companies, downsize their own companies, and ship their own factories overseas or across the border to make fortunes in immoral money games. The people who lose out in this are the workers, the people who actually make things of value.
The question corporate capitalists have asked themselves is ‘why empower workers in America to demand better wages, better working conditions, and equal social rights, when you can ship those jobs off to a Colombian or Sri Lankan who can be forced to work under slave-like conditions?’
Don’t think the government is going to help us. Our government leaders are getting paid by them.
Selling out to the rich is inherent to political survival.
In order to afford dazzling election campaigns and make it into their positions of power in the first place, politicians will sell out to whoever can offer them the most money.
Likewise, the corporate lobbies that constantly press themselves upon our lawmakers have both billions of dollars at their disposal and great influence upon which laws are blocked or passed.
These things combined together means that someone who dedicates their lives to making other lives better will never be able to have the same political influence as someone who destroys lives and the environment in the pursuit of money.
Any laws established in the past that protect the American people, the environment, or smaller companies over corporate profits, our lawmakers will sweep away through Deregulation.
Corporate executives and well-preened conservative politicians talk about Deregulation in terms of ‘getting the government off our backs.’ This is because the role of the government is to protect its citizens, and ensuring that workers are protected costs these rich people money. But Deregulation simply gives corporations free reign over their markets, enabling them to overwhelm and envelope smaller companies, destroying our rights and natural resources along the way.
The government is also willing to look the other way while these same people claim outrageous tax breaks. Corporate executives buy gold-plated plumbing fixtures, stay in $3,000 a night hotel suites, take $2,000 wine-tasting classes, or buy $20,000 worth of rugs, and then have their corporations write these expenses off on their taxes. This means that those of us who actually do pay our taxes end up footing the bill for these luxury items!
Laws are even invented specifically for corporations which enable them to avoid paying taxes in ways that the average person is denied.
Through the IRS’s Net Operating Loss deduction, corporations can demand back tax money they’ve paid if they lose money in their business. When you are just barely able to afford rent, and groceries, are you allowed to ask for your taxes back? No.
Yet many multibillion-dollar corporations finagle their way out of paying any taxes at all. And still, some politicians are willing to badmouth ‘Welfare’ as the big inefficiency of our tax system. But less than $23 billion dollars is spent on Welfare annually, whereas over $100 billion is given away to big business each year to help them do things they should pay for themselves, such as buying new equipment or advertising their products. This ‘Corporate Welfare’ is even claimed by some experts to soak up $800 billion dollars of our national budget. This is even outside of the tax money corporations save, and the other hundreds of billions of dollars given away to corporations for other reasons.
Corporations will not voluntarily give up their dominating power of political immunity and the financial wealth it gains them. And with all our government leaders either personally connected to corporations or sold out to them, if we try to remove this corporate influence by ourselves, we will find ‘the Law,’ with all its weight, upon us.
Our politicians have no serious proposals for the problems of health care, unemployment, crime, disappearing pensions, or any of the pressing social issues that actually afflict us, yet they vote themselves raises every year. They vote themselves solid health care plans. They vote themselves hefty pensions. What about our health care? What about our pensions? Why don’t they watch after us the same way they watch after themselves?
It’s because if we had the opportunity to provide ourselves all of these things, the politicians and CEO’s wouldn’t be able to take the money for themselves. Having to spend all of our time to meet our middle and lower class needs means that we will not have time to fight against the forces that are actually pressing us into this situation. And the inevitable competition that results from this lifestyle splits us up, so that we cannot unite in an effort to destroy it.
The only uniting we are allowed is against the common enemies we are doctored to believe in, the foreign ‘terrorists’ who come to attack us. But these ‘terrorists’ do not violently attack the United States because they hate freedom, or because they think blowing themselves up is cool. They use violence against the U.S. because U.S. corporations and the U.S. government are murdering their families and destroying their countries.
As demoralizing as corporations make our lives, and as bland as they make our culture here in the U.S, corporations practice their immunity in far more brutal and murderous ways in foreign countries.
We are lead to believe that Third World countries are under-developed because the people living there just somehow don’t have the intelligence to drag themselves out of poverty.
The truth is that the people of these Third World countries know exactly how to get themselves out of their economic ruts, but are forcefully kept from doing it because of a dominating U.S. influence. These people want to develop their own industrial and technological industries by putting tariffs on U.S. products. But they can’t do this because the World Trade Organization (WTO) which is both dominated by U.S. corporations, and has the authority to regulate third world use of tariffs, prevents them from doing so.
Tariffs on U.S. products sold within Third World countries would raise their prices and ease consumption of them. This would give third world industries space in the market to strengthen themselves. Using tariffs in this manner is a fundamental tool for any country to develop into a more powerful nation, but the WTO is perpetually keeping them from doing it, just so U.S. companies can sell their own products there.
This is the exact same situation the American colonists were protesting when they threw the Boston Tea Party.
Furthermore, while these countries economies are weak, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) takes advantage of this weakness and forces them to restructure their national production in ways that are simply murderous- preventing farmers from producing crops to sustain themselves and their communities, and instead churn out more of whatever luxury products the U.S. and other developed countries want.
The IMF places such a high interest rate on its loans and restructures its debtor nations in such ridiculous ways, that these nations become locked perpetually in a poor, subservient role, unable to pay even the interest on their debts.
Then, when Third World peasants hold their own ‘Tea Parties’ and revolt against this foreign domination over their lives, corporate lobbyists cry foul and the U.S. military is called in to protect ‘U.S. interests.’ Soon following, a corrupt, U.S.-friendly government is installed, or reinforced: one that will accept blood money to do what the U.S. tells it to, and do whatever it takes to keep its own people from interfering with the U.S. role of economic supremacy.
George Kennan, the most powerful voice in U.S. foreign policy following World War II, clearly gave away these brutal motives for U.S. dominance when he said-
“[America has] about 50 percent of the world’s wealth, but only 6.3 percent of its population. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which permit us to maintain this position of disparity… To do so, we have to dispense with all sentimentality… We should cease to talk about vague and unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of living standards and democratization… The less we are hampered by idealistic slogans the better.”
American government’s collaboration with big corporations has turned America from a Republic into an Empire. In the same spirit that Rome was an Empire, raping foreign lands for labor and resources- in the same spirit that Britain was an Empire, which caused us to turn from Her in hatred.
Just as Rome and Britain did, America has military bases all over the world. How many foreign bases are established in the U.S.? How many would the American people allow?
We’re told a series of lies to make us willing to believe that having our military spread across the globe is reasonable.
The conscience of the American public is satiated with racist rhetoric, proclaiming us the ‘true defenders of freedom,’ and ‘the world’s one and only hope.’
We are told that we are the policemen of the world. We are told that our unique national position gives us the responsibility to check and balance other countries. We are told that the western citizen values life more than the overpopulated third world savages.
We are raised on something that sounds a little like this-
“We are more valuable than the others, who outnumber us and will always outnumber us. We are more valuable, because our blood has fitted us to be more inventive than the others, to be better leaders of our people than the others, because it has fitted us to be better soldiers, better statesmen, to attain a higher culture, to be better characters.”
That was Heinrich Himmler who said that, Hitler’s associate, speaking of why it was necessary for Germany to dominate the world.
Americans are no more naturally gifted with human capabilities than any other people in the world, and our lives are no more valuable than any other people in the world, either.
But these lies work because we want to believe them. It feels good to believe them.
Our leaders fervent our desire for war abroad and a police state at home by telling us that these people fighting for their freedom are ‘terrorists.’ Then they promise to protect us by destroying them through a process that will simply require us to give up a little freedom, and send our soldiers far over seas.
Hermann Goering, Hitler’s master of propaganda, explained the process like this-
“Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don’t want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in Germany... But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy… or a communist dictatorship… the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
Does that formula sound familiar?
Successful campaigns of conquest must have a cover story to gain the support of the people who will be forced to fight in it. They are given a common enemy and distracted from their problems at home. The Nazis focused on the injustices of the Versailles treaty to motivate the German people into conquering Europe. We used to focus on ‘communism’ to steal all throughout Central and South America, and other parts of the rest of the world. Nowadays we focus on ‘terrorism’ to go into Afghanistan and Iraq. Notice how the reaction from the average American to the dual knowledge that we didn’t know where Osama Bin Laden was, but were still going to attack Afghanistan anyways, was, “Well, we gotta do something.” Yes! But let’s review our options first!
George Bush isn’t sending our soldiers all over the world to protect American or any other innocent lives. This becomes obvious when we realize that the U.S. military has killed more innocent civilians in Afghanistan than were killed in the World Trade Center, and that the family members of these innocent civilians are more devoted to anti-American ‘terrorism’ than ever before.
The only way to stop ‘terrorism’ is to stop raping and destroying the places ‘terrorists’ are from.
The real reason for sending our soldiers-
1- There is an OIL pipeline soon going into Afghanistan that has been long planned, but that the Taliban would not allow U.S. companies to build.
2- Iraq is sitting on top of one of the richest OIL fields in the world.
The truth is that George Bush is risking our soldiers and killing foreign innocents so that he can STEAL OIL.
The U.S. military is being used to steal this Oil. But our military does not exist to murder people so that the American rich can steal these dead people’s resources. It exists to protect our country and our lives. The government and corporations have bastardized our military away from us, endangering us and our soldiers for their own monetary gain.
They’ve been doing it for a long time.
But many veterans, after leaving the service, step back and look at U.S. foreign policy to see it for what it is.
As a response to President Reagan’s imperialistic attacks throughout Central America in the 1980’s, Charles J. Liteky, veteran and holder of the Congressional Medal of Honor, publicly renounced and returned his Medal. The Congressional Medal of Honor is the most coveted, highest possible honor a U.S. service-person can receive, and Liteky basically said, ‘If this is what our military is about, then I don’t want it.’
But even further back than that-
Major General Smedley Butler, a U.S. Marine, looked back on his 33-year career, which took him to combat in over 5 different countries, and determined that, “War is a racket… conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the very many.”
Smedley Butler attained the highest rank possible at the time and was awarded two Congressional Medals of Honor throughout his career. Once he retired, though, he realized and publicly stated that he had given all those years and sweat and blood, simply to make foreign lands safe for Wall Street. Butler proclaimed, “To Hell with War!” and went on to state that to get rid of War we must take the profit out of War.
I, myself, am an Army veteran, not so well-decorated as the Gentlemen I mention. Nevertheless, I am a graduate of the U.S. Army Ranger School, Airborne School, and Jungle Operations Training School.
The American government is violent all over the world to protect its ill-gotten money and goods.
But the American People don’t have the right to profit off foreign deaths and silently enjoy our position, then scream bloody murder when those foreigners react to our violence with violence.
If we refuse to recognize what our government is doing and why, if we refuse to realize that American lives are no more, and no less, valuable than other nation’s, then we deserve the ‘terrorism’ that we are forcing these people to commit.
So our government is sold out to corporations, and corporations are destroying the world.
Let’s do something about it!
Which is why I incorporated in the State of New Hampshire. The New Hampshire State Constitution, in the Bill of Rights, guarantees the Right to Revolution. I quote-
“Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the whole community and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered and all other means of redress are ineffectual the people may and of right ought to reform the old or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.”
I’m going to utilize the WTO’s tactic of applying to a foreign state the laws of the state in which I was incorporated.
I encourage everyone else to do the same.
I’m opening the board of directors of Proud and Insolent Youth Inc. to anyone who wants to be a part. It’s your corporation. There are an infinite amount of stocks and they’re all free. Anyone can have one; you don’t even need a certificate.
Proud and Insolent Youth Inc. is the corporation to destroy all other corporations. Our mission statement- Whoever abuses their corporate immunity to harm life and liberty, we will destroy through the use of our own corporate immunity.
It’s foolish to whine to politicians while allowing them and the police to bluff and bully you.
Let their oppression fuel your fire. Allow your passions to fertilize the seeds of constructive revolution. Allow your love of freedom to overcome the false values they place on human life. It’s too easy to forget the controlling things that corporations and the government do and lapse into apathy. Stop forgetting right now.
Recognize that the ‘Justice System’ always either kills justice or leaves it sitting too long, stealing away our lives while we wait. We have other things to do with our lives! We came into this world, not only to make it a good place to live, but also to live in it.
There are many different ways to effectively resist, both violent and nonviolent. Both are necessary. Don’t do anything you’re uncomfortable with, and don’t pressure anyone else into anything they’re uncomfortable with.
You have the power to nonviolently shut everything down! You can simply stop. No buses, no factories. A Nationwide Strike until corporations come out from behind their shields and the government meets your demands.
You must all join together and work together for this! Young and Old! Gay and Straight! Men and Women! Races of every description!
It is time to put ourselves out there on the line and risk to reach out for the Paradise we all desire. We can make this world better!
Young people of America!- I am here to tell you- you will not grow up and suddenly realize that you were wrong and that all the older people, who are sold out to the system, were right. Teenagers!- that impulse for freedom that you feel within yourselves, which everyone else seems to be trying to silence- it is not simply a product of your age, as so many would have you believe, it is Life, tugging at you, asking you to actually be Alive! The systems of control that surround you, which you hate, do not get better as you age. The control gets more invasive, more complete. Smash it while your youth still helps you to see it!
Everyone!- Remember that the authorities will lie to you. They will try to make you distrust one another. Trust each other in spite of the disinformation they feed you. Don’t believe any rumors you hear until they are confirmed. Different views and different tactics are okay, but communicate with one another! Especially when you are two autonomous groups collaborating. Communicate and don’t believe rumors.
Communicate with the liberal press, and with indymedia.
This system of oppression is not a solid unstoppable force. They just have really good reflexes and are good at the game. It feels unstoppable because you don’t know how they operate. Learn. Study them. Follow them. Photograph them. Don’t just call them apparitions and give up trying to understand them.
Spy on the spies.
Convert them. Convert the soldiers, the cops.
They are all intelligent, capable people.
Most of them aren’t aware of these injustices, or fight to convince themselves that they’re not there, so that they can still do their jobs. Help them see. Help them come to your side. They’ll make powerful allies.
All police and all soldiers and all spooks are frustrated with their jobs. Their leaders weigh them down with paperwork, and never deploy them to the hilt of their capabilities. They are all dissatisfied with the ways their out-of-touch leaders command them about. These foot soldiers simply want to be strong, and have accepted the official politics handed to them. Give them better politics and better strength. Offer them a better world and they will come over.
Manifest the World you want to live in!
Do this for yourselves.
If this be treason, make the most of it.
And finally, I must address Mister Bush, the one in the Oval Office-
Mister Bush,
The Presidential election process in our country has been taken away from the American people. Through the combined existence of the electoral college and the campaign funding process, it is guaranteed that any candidate actually willing to care for the good of the people will never get elected. Beyond this, even within the confines of this system, you were never actually elected with a popular vote from the American people.
Please set in place a democratic, beneficial election system and step down from the Presidency. Al Gore, who was popularly elected through this flawed system, shall serve as the temporary President until a True Representative of the People is determined.
God Bless Us, Every One,
Andy
"now, if you will direct your immediate attention to the central podium, a spokesman for the AAC, dick waver, will proceed with his remarks..."
"ahhh, good morning. ladies and gentlemen. friends and colleages. mr. president.
i am here this morning to dispel the vile evil in the speech you've read above you. it concerns us all here, including the president, that you might believe what that vile and unfortunate speech has said.
let me begin by being as clear as i possibly can. that speech is one gigantic falsehood. the whole of it is an evil lie, created by a traitor to the american cause. and...
i'm sorry, i just get very worked up about this kind of, terrible, vile, trash...
and... and it's your duty, ladies and gentlemen, fellow americans, to not believe one word of it.
we, your ruling class... wait, i mean, ahh... your fellow citizens, would never do the kind of things that vile speech mentioned. trust us, will you? trust us, because we are your friends, and we love you.
it is true that america has changed. we can see these changes all around us, everyday. my colleagues here beside me, and president george bush, want you to understand that america isn't as it used to be. we all no longer live in a democracy. we all no longer live in a capitalist state, like the kind of ages past. america has moved beyong these old terms. america has evolved into something new. america has become a plutocratic corporatist state. and this change is for the better...
this change is for the better because now, corporations, the ones that bring you smiles and french fries and cars, have become as strong as the government. let me put it this way: we, the corporations, have merged with the u.s. government, in the greatest business deal ever for the american people.
instead of an evil government telling you what to do, now america has the friendly faces of its patriotic corporations telling it what to do. what foreign policy to have. what wars to fight. what problems to tackle. now, you, the american people, have your friendly neighborhood corporations telling you what kind of car to drive, how expensive your medicine will have to be, how polluted your water will be, how low your wages will be, how safe your work environment won't be.
you see, this is the essence of a corporatist state. we, your friendly, caring, corporations, have assumed many of the powers of a government. we have organized society into our image. we have made it more efficient. we have made prices drop. we are the new government, and we are making a better world!
and on top of all this, we also have a plutocracy. and this, my fellow american citizens, is something you should all take pride in. we, being the wealthy, are smarter than than the rest of you. we come from better stock. we have more power than all you small gutter snipes, laborers, janitors, worthless house maids... umm, ahh, sorry, i mean, the rest of you people.
so because of these special gifts endowed to us, it is natural that we should assume governing responsibilty, is it not? would all of you uneducated hordes disagree with me? are you saying that all in america, rich and poor, this race or that race, should have a say? ahhhh, but you see, that is the old america. that america no longer exists. it's time to look forward to new and brighter future...
... and the new future is here, ladies and gentlemen. our new plutocratic corporatist state is fully supported by president bush, and his party, which now have complete control of government. and let me tell you, even some on the democratic side are coming around to our way of thinking.
with the merging of corporate and government power, we shall be able to do as we please. all for the betterment of this country, and the world. we shall be able to turn all the rules to our benefit. we shall be able to turn a watchdog agency into a booster agency for a corporation or an industry. we shall be able to write the rules so that WE, and not the rest of you small people, shall be protected. we sahll be able to look the other way with impugnity. we shall use the machinery of government, its military powers and its surveillance powers, to protect US FIRST, and then maybe the rest of you small people. we shall use our mighty armed forces to control this world, to make our corporations safe on foreign shores. we shall entrench our power, and shall circle the wagons against the hordes like you, and fend off all who are foolish enough to stand in our way.
as, unfortunately, the author of the speech above was. but this author does not understand a few, very, very important things. and they both involve the american way.
first, it IS the american way for there to be special rules for special people. we all know this. we all know that some get caviar justice, and some get stale bread justice. this is something that we, as americans, should feel proud of. it ensures that the right kind of justice is done for the right kind of person. we can't afford having the wealthy locked away in prison. prison is for the common man.
secondly, it IS the american way that if you make a lot of money, it automatically means that everything you're doing is o.k. many, unfortunate, uneducated, small people don't realize this. but the time has come for you to awake!
if a corporation makes billions in profit by outsourcing labor to the cheapest possible place on the face of the earth, where workers work 14 hour days in unsafe conditions making cents an hour, ALL THAT PROFIT MAKES IT O.K.! it's true!
if a corporation must use a dangerous toxin in a manufacturing process, because the safer alternative is too expensive, and over time, this toxin leeches into ground water and causes cancer and birth defects in the surrounding community, ALL THAT PROFIT MAKES IT O.K.! you see, with happy stockholders, and huge profit margins, nobody gives a fuck about playing straight, integrity, honor, honesty, justice, or any of those other old, outdated, and i might add, very 20th. century values. we have moved beyond that. we are in the 21st. century. and a new age has dawned.
so, ladies and gentlemen, friends and colleagues, mr. president, i shall conclude by saying that you have a choice to make. you can follow the lies and falsehoods of the speech above. or you can join us, as we prepare to take america INTO A NEW FUTURE HORIZON!
>IMC-er turns dangerous rhetoric into murderous deed?
by KCBS listener 12:04pm Tue Nov 26 '02 (Modified on 12:36pm Tue Nov 26 '02)
Say it isn't so, SF-IMC -- is the Andrew McCrae post genuine?
I just heard on News Radio 740 (KCBS) that a young man was arrested for the murder off a police officer after posting a confession to a web site.
Is this the real deal? Is this the young man and the web site referred to in the news report?
If so, who alerted the authorities to this post? Was it a member of the SF-IMC staff, a concerned reader, or an officer on "web patrol"?
Lastly, how bitterly ironic to have the corporate media scoop the IMC network over the arrest by an IMC poster (perhaps are there legal reasons for the "no comment" by SF-IMC?)
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/11/1545326_co...<
add your own comments
>So You're the one spamming all the lists
by Fact Checker 12:11pm Tue Nov 26 '02
With a story that you have no sources on, about an alleged murder of a police officer, not reported on by ANYBODY else.
Hmmmmm.... What's your real agenda?<
>could be true...
by read the paper 12:36pm Tue Nov 26 '02
a police officer was killed in red bluff while refueling his patrol car in the middle of the night,and was found shot in the head next to his car.
check out
http://www.redbluffdaily.com
or do a little web search. i have no info that anyone was arrested.<
who's playing the game here? i don't know who's being serious, or who's spamming...
I mean what kind of punk would kill a loving man and loving father. I live in Red bluff and I can't wait to see what happens to when you get to red bluff
Story link:
http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/5372486p-6360638c.html
http://www.ctnow.com/news/custom/newsat3/hc-policeap1126,0,4806149.story?coll=hc-headlines-newsat3
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2002/11/26/state1024EST0049.DTL
Daryle
Fuck The Police
The police can harrass people, break down doors and kill people and get away with it. As far as I'm concerned they can all go to hell. I would not go out and shoot them but I will not lose any sleep when they are killed. They know the risks. I have actually heard a police officer who was very drunk in a bar say he could drive home because he has the "BRASS PASS". Then if he would have crashed and killed someone he would have gotten away with it. What happend to law inforcement being held to higher standards.Fuck The Police
Dont you know Red Bluff people carry guns
you better watch your ass when you come to Red Bluff
and dont even worry about the death penalty becasue you will be dead before you even go to court if you even have the chance to go and thats not a threat its a PROMISE!!!!
Clay Haswell Speaks (or not) on Associated Press Priorities in San Francisco
by gkd/sf-imc • Tuesday November 26, 2002 at 12:28 PM
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/11/1545491.php
Hopefully this "Andy" realizes he is perpetuating such an ideal, however, must he "fry" for what he "supposedly did?" He's only a suspect, can we not forget this? INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY and yet we are all putting him in the chair already. Take a step back, re-read what he wrote, and make some connections. For our own sakes....
There is a small editing crew and often they only get around to removing stuff that breaks the stated policy maybe twice a day. They work behind computer firewalls at work and can't spend all day removing stuff.
Protecting you? That's a laugh.....
THE POLICE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO PROTECT ANY INDIVIDUAL PERSON FROM HARM
This section serves to illuminate the existence of bad Police policy, anti-rights legislation, a domestic threat, and poor judicial remedy. The following true story is unacceptable, intolerable, and must be prevented from re-occurring ...
"Ruth Brunell called the police on 20 different occasions to beg for protection from her husband. He was arrested only one time. One evening Mr. Brunell telephoned his wife and told her he was coming over to kill her. When she called the police, they refused her request that they come to protect her. They told her to call back when he got there. Mr. Brunell stabbed his wife to death before she could call the police to tell them he was there. The court held that the San Jose police were not liable for ignoring Mrs. Brunell's pleas for help. Hartzler v. City of San Jose, (1975) 46 Cal.App. 3d 6. The year after winning the Hartzler case, the San Jose government appointed Joseph McNamara Police Chief. Chief McNamara has since become the leading police spokesman for Handgun Control, Inc. (HCI)." Excerpt from "The Law Abiding Individual and Personal Protection", by John Brophy. (Forward and emphasis added)
This is an appropriate time to point out that Chief Joe McNamara had a firm policy not to issue permits to Carry Concealed Weapons (CCW) to non-law enforcement officers, with exception shown through a permit he allegedly issued to his daughter. Chief McNamara is also alleged to have kept an automatic submachine gun in the trunk of his vehicle. Apparently he felt he needed it, but not anyone else. Does anyone else smell the characteristic stench of hypocrisy?
Mr. Brophy proceeds to provide substantial case-study to show similar judgments in other jurisdictions throughout the United States:
Bowers v. DeVito, (1982) 686 F.2d 616. (No federal constitutional requirements that police provide protection.)
Calgorides v. Mobile, (1985) 475 So.2d 560.
Davidson v. Westminister, (1982) 32 Cal.3d 197, 185 Cal.Rep. 252.
Stone v. State, (1980) 106 Cal.App. 3d 924, 165 Cal.Rep. 339.
Morgan v. District of Columbia, (1983) 468 A.2d 1306.
Warren v. District of Columbia, (1983) 444 A.2d 1.
Sapp v. Tallahassee, (1977) 348 So.2d 363, cert. denied 354 So.2d 985.
Keane v. Chicago, (1968) 98 ILL.App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321.
Jamison v. Chicago, (1977) 48 ILL.App.3d 567.
Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E.2d 871.
Silver v. Minneapolis, (1969) 170 N.W.2d 206.
Wuetrich v. Delia, (1978) 155 N.J.Super. 324, 382 A.2d 929.
Chapman v. Philadelphia, (1981) 290 Pa.Super. 281, 434 A.2d 753.
Morris v. Musser, (1984) 84 Pa.Cmwth. 170, 478 A.2d 937.
Weiner v. Metropolitan Authority, and Shernov v. New York Transit Authority, (1982) 55 N.Y. 2d 175, 948 N.Y.S. 141.
DeShaney v. Winnebago County Social Services, 489 U.S. 189, 196, 197 (1989).
"The law is abundantly clear. Police have no duty to protect an individual from harm ... Each person is responsible for their own safety and protection from criminal harm, and for the safety and protection of their dependents." - John Brophy
But doesn't just about every Law Enforcement Agency's "Mission Statement" include the words "... to serve and protect ...." ? So then protect what? Obviously it isn't the people . . .
Protecting who?
THE POLICE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO PROTECT ANY INDIVIDUAL PERSON FROM HARM
Bowers v. DeVito, (1982) 686 F.2d 616. (No federal constitutional requirements that police provide protection.)
Calgorides v. Mobile, (1985) 475 So.2d 560.
Davidson v. Westminister, (1982) 32 Cal.3d 197, 185 Cal.Rep. 252.
Stone v. State, (1980) 106 Cal.App. 3d 924, 165 Cal.Rep. 339.
Morgan v. District of Columbia, (1983) 468 A.2d 1306.
Warren v. District of Columbia, (1983) 444 A.2d 1.
Sapp v. Tallahassee, (1977) 348 So.2d 363, cert. denied 354 So.2d 985.
Keane v. Chicago, (1968) 98 ILL.App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321.
Jamison v. Chicago, (1977) 48 ILL.App.3d 567.
Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E.2d 871.
Silver v. Minneapolis, (1969) 170 N.W.2d 206.
Wuetrich v. Delia, (1978) 155 N.J.Super. 324, 382 A.2d 929.
Chapman v. Philadelphia, (1981) 290 Pa.Super. 281, 434 A.2d 753.
Morris v. Musser, (1984) 84 Pa.Cmwth. 170, 478 A.2d 937.
Weiner v. Metropolitan Authority, and Shernov v. New York Transit Authority, (1982) 55 N.Y. 2d 175, 948 N.Y.S. 141.
DeShaney v. Winnebago County Social Services, 489 U.S. 189, 196, 197 (1989).
"The law is abundantly clear. Police have no duty to protect an individual from harm ... Each person is responsible for their own safety and protection from criminal harm, and for the safety and protection of their dependents." - John Brophy
But doesn't just about every Law Enforcement Agency's "Mission Statement" include the words "... to serve and protect ...." ? So then protect what? Obviously it isn't the people . . .
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others..."
Protecting who?
THE POLICE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO PROTECT ANY INDIVIDUAL PERSON FROM HARM
Bowers v. DeVito, (1982) 686 F.2d 616. (No federal constitutional requirements that police provide protection.)
Calgorides v. Mobile, (1985) 475 So.2d 560.
Davidson v. Westminister, (1982) 32 Cal.3d 197, 185 Cal.Rep. 252.
Stone v. State, (1980) 106 Cal.App. 3d 924, 165 Cal.Rep. 339.
Morgan v. District of Columbia, (1983) 468 A.2d 1306.
Warren v. District of Columbia, (1983) 444 A.2d 1.
Sapp v. Tallahassee, (1977) 348 So.2d 363, cert. denied 354 So.2d 985.
Keane v. Chicago, (1968) 98 ILL.App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321.
Jamison v. Chicago, (1977) 48 ILL.App.3d 567.
Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E.2d 871.
Silver v. Minneapolis, (1969) 170 N.W.2d 206.
Wuetrich v. Delia, (1978) 155 N.J.Super. 324, 382 A.2d 929.
Chapman v. Philadelphia, (1981) 290 Pa.Super. 281, 434 A.2d 753.
Morris v. Musser, (1984) 84 Pa.Cmwth. 170, 478 A.2d 937.
Weiner v. Metropolitan Authority, and Shernov v. New York Transit Authority, (1982) 55 N.Y. 2d 175, 948 N.Y.S. 141.
DeShaney v. Winnebago County Social Services, 489 U.S. 189, 196, 197 (1989).
"The law is abundantly clear. Police have no duty to protect an individual from harm ... Each person is responsible for their own safety and protection from criminal harm, and for the safety and protection of their dependents." - John Brophy
But doesn't just about every Law Enforcement Agency's "Mission Statement" include the words "... to serve and protect ...." ? So then protect what? Obviously it isn't the people . . .
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others..."
p.s. hope i'm on the jury. cottonwood,ca.Don.
McCrae may....or may not....be the murderer of David Mobillo. Either way, McCrae is a pathetic person. If he is the murderer, he may get his New Hampshire wish -- Live Free or Die! If he just capitalized on the murder, he did it for his own ego.
His diatribe reminds of the Uni-Bomber -- in its simplistic and myopic view of the world.
If McCrae did murder the officer, he didn't do it for the sake of the world, he did it because he is twisted and has no principles or integrity.
McCrae's declaration is typical of a small group of demented persons who can justify any act by blaming society.
The murderer of Officer Mobillo is probably just like the Beltway Sniper(s) -- cold, callous killer(s) purposely killing innocent persons in cold-blood. Matters not if it was for money or for politics, it still is a senseless act by someone who has no concerns for others.
It will be interesting how this turns out.
Isn't anarchy wonderful?
Does he find reinforcement here for his 'anti-authority vews,' and does he feel encouraged and emboldened by what he considers 'his allies?"
Consider the fact that we do see a lot of seemingly angry posts here, with phrases like 'fuck the cops' being common rhetoric.
Anger, insolence, and reactionary behavior. Monkey see - monkey do.
Shame on you !
I bet You have a Arafat and Hitler poster in your room or jail cell.
Anyways, I hope they miss your vien a few times.
Allah Bless You.
Los Angles County Dist. Atty. Steve Cooley announced Monday that dozens of cases against officers implicated in the LAPD (news - web sites)'s Rampart Division scandal would not result in criminal prosecution.
Cooley said he made the decision based on his review of 82 Rampart-related cases that detectives submitted to prosecutors.
The district attorney's office decided to not prosecute the cases because of insufficient evidence and because the statute of limitations had expired. Further, many of the cases involved the two main players in the scandal -- Rafael Perez and Nino Durden -- who had entered into plea bargains that protect them from further prosecution.
There could have been something more for Andy, but not anymore, because andy became to inflamed with the current events and knew only violence in his life to solve conflicts of this magnitude.
One of the most needed, least known skills in the world today is conflict resolution. We don’t learn about conflict resolution in school, at home, in the media, or on the streets. We don’t learn it at all, most of us. So we act on impulse, lapsing into fight or flight, turning conflict into combat, perpetuating cycles of misunderstanding and violence in all our interactions, from the interpersonal to the international.
Harsh words and weapons
Bring violence and pain.
The wise leader chooses combat
Only as a last resort.
For in combat even victory
Is no cause for joy.
To gloat in victory
Means delight in destroying others.
In destroying others,
We destroy ourselves.
We are all part of something larger than ourselves, that everything and everyone is intrinsically related. Every violent act constitutes a breakdown of civilization, a violation of the order that unites us all. Working with natural patterns, the leader upholds a new way of resolving conflict, affirming a spirit of partnership and building a foundation of greater understanding.
Conflict has led to division and discord because two common misperceptions have trapped us in fight –or-flight reactions. We overgenalize, seeing whoever disagrees with us as the enemy. In hostile reductionism, we narrow our vision, reducing the richness of human experience to that one thing on which we disagree and then we fight over it. Or we flee from conflict feeling shame and disagreeing. Denying our own concerns, we give in to avoid confrontation. Never communicating our ness, we settle for appeasement and superficial solutions. Either response is dualistic.
Conflict becomes the means for greater understanding –of one another and ourselves. It can create a wall to divide us or a bridge to unite us. The difference lies in how we respond to it.
In the western world, we habitually fall into the logical fallacy of the false dilemma, seeing life either-or win or lose, right or wrong, all or nothing, us or them.
Dualism limits our options and makes us see differences as threatening. Instead of working together to discover solutions to problems, we waste time blaming others. Fixated on the problem, we cannot see beyond it.
I wonder about you. You seem to be fairly intelligent, or is just noise you spout to feel self important? In what ways do your admitted actions support your doctrine or even coincide with your beliefs? Are you misguided or just misunderstood? Either way, for as much research as you have labored through, you have failed to consider one very important point. If you truly incorporated yourself, are you even a human being anymore? I offer that you are not, never were, and are in fact the corporation which you so vehemenlty despise. California law is not forgiving.
PS: Corporations are not protected by civil rights and unlike citizens, CAN BE DISOLVED.
The bottom line was that LAPD was not nearly as "dirty" as it was presented in the newspapers. BTW, check out the Frontline investigation on these cases and you will be shocked on what they uncovered about the witch hunt that went on in an attempt to build cases.
Why was it that you shot him in the back, then once in the back of the head? Are you not man enough to look a true man in the eye. I'm sure you know, that if you would have faced Officer Mobilio face to face, you would be the loser.
Why didn't you resist your arrest? Aren't you man enough to fight for what you believe in. Or was it that you had to change your shorts when you saw that many Police officers IN FRONT OF YOU!
Being a Police Officer myself, I know that I am not any better than the person next to me. I chose this job. Its rewarding to me. I like arresting people that are VIOLATING the rights of others. We as HUMANS, have the right to live without fear of wackos like yourself. To kill a Police Officer to protest the American Goverment and American Corporations makes absolutely no sense at all.
Do you think that I like what goes on in Politics? Not at all. But im not going to kill an innocent human to protest. I, unlike yourself, am a lot smarter than that!
Its called voting. But then again, you seem to believe that our Democracy is unfair.
You are not God, you do not decide who shall live or die. You are a pathetic form of life who deserves what you have coming to you. I also worked in the California Prison system and let me tell you, a 23 year old white male in prison has a name. and its called Ben Dover!
James
You and your twisted cohort Mccrae would no longer be able to express your opinions...you would be dead
Today, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and South Korea are among the wealthiest nations in the world. Bangladesh, Nigeria, and Loas remain among the poorest.
Why? Because Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and South Korea did something to lift themselves up from third world poverty, something these other nations failed to do.
Anyone who is sincerely interested in how the third world countries today can lift themselves up from poverty will want to know what these successful nations did differently.
What did the successful countries do? Pretty much the exact opposite of what murder-buy suggests.
Today, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and South Korea are among the wealthiest nations in the world. Bangladesh, Nigeria, and Loas remain among the poorest.
Why? Because Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and South Korea did something to lift themselves up from third world poverty, something these other nations failed to do.
Anyone who is sincerely interested in how the third world countries today can lift themselves up from poverty will want to know what these successful nations did differently.
What did the successful countries do? Pretty much the exact opposite of what murder-boy suggests.
While reading Andy's post I found myself agreeing with mostly everything he said. Being an anti-war activist and environmentalist, his writing struck a chord with me. I never stopped to think that he could possibly be serious about killing a cop.
What a waste of insight. He could have taken all of his ideas and insight and done something productive and meaningful. Hell, he seemed to be a good writer...he could have used the power of the pen instead of the power of the gun. Obviously, despite all of his interesting veiws the man is a delusional psychopath. Looking at the entire situation, I would have to say to Andy that his writing was nothing but intellectual vomit. He has taken a human life. He is shit in my book.
What good could possibly come out of murdering someone? What was this guy thinking? Killing a cop is not going to change the world. All you have done Andy, is ruined your life and the lives of the many people who loved that man.
I am embarassed to be an activist and seeker of peace if this is the kind of shit that goes on in our name.
I am now speechless.
I am from Red Bluff,
you think you actually changed the world for the better. you think that you cause was worth the life of a loving husband , father and friend.
He was a great man and because of you he is no longer here to make the world better. How can you justify killing a father who never had the chance to see his children grow, or to the children that will never see there father again thanks to your stupid mission.
I would think that a person with military experiance would have respect for a peace officer who puts his life on the line everyday to protect us from the scum in our town.-like you
you are an idiot after all that writting you don't relize that people like you make our taxes go up because we have to pay for you to go to prison, we have to pay the government to up security to protect us from people like you. and now we are going to have to pay for you to die.
-YOU DIDN'T HELP US YOU JUST RAISED OUR TAXES YOU IDIOT.
you don't deserve to live but you don't deserve the luxury to die either. i hope you suffer.
GOD said "let vengence be mine."
The thing is, met or encountered enough schizophrenic people to strongly believe that that is what is afflicting this guy. Sometimes you can speak with someone who has medically treated schizophrenia and not notice that they have it at all, without being told. And for untreated schizophrenia, there is quite a range of behavior. Often they can seem to be 90% coherent, and to be making some sense in what they're saying, but then only if you step back and analyze what they're saying broadly, you notice that some of what they are saying is delusional, or they're making totally unsupported connections. Some schizophrenics are totally nondangerous, and are very passive, and more at risk of being manipulated by others. I have a schizophrenic neighbor who sends someone in my house threatening letters nearly every week, but he always stops short of violence - the letters have the same rambling self-righteous character as the McCraw letter where he accuses my housemate of being a child molester and a drug dealer and all sorts of other things. Another schizophrenic who used to perpetually hang around a cafe I worked at was very aware of environmentalism and recycling, and he would sit there and monitor the recycling habits of people at the cafe and correct their behavior. At first glance he would seem to be just a high anxiety normal person, but if you would notice connections he draws, like assuming a police car going by was monitoring us, it was clear he was totally unmedicated.
The rambling nature of the confession at the beginning of this thread plus the odd connections he draws, plus several instances of delusion seem to be indicative of paranoid schizophrenia. Schizophrenics can be very intelligent.
If revolution isn't your cup of tea, who want's to spend their life in jail, then try doing something like community building. Follow the link above to learn more.
Revolution, not Reaction!
Regards-
GG
If revolution isn't your cup of tea, who want's to spend their life in jail, then try doing something like community building. Follow the link above to learn more.
Revolution, not Reaction!
Regards-
GG
You are a sick person, and you dont even deserve to go to hell. I think you should come to my house whiel I rip off your fucking testicles and burn your throat with acid. You are a sick fucking indvidual. Going to hell for you would be an honor. YOU are the scum. And I suggest that you have a pretty good fucking lawyer.
God doesnt now the hate that I feal for you. You Fucking make the hair on my back stand up!
I think murder for political purposes is wrong, whether you talk about shooting a working stiff in Red Bluff or invading Iraq to satisfy the President's feeble ego.
I also think that corporate irresponsibility really is a major problem that is not going to go away. But anyone else out there who is reading this and is thinking about "direct action" -- consider this carefully. Killing solves nothing. Carefully showing a capability, then NOT using it . . . that can wake people up and make them think. And if you break the law, you also lose its protections . . . keep it legal but keep it radical.
I think murder for political purposes is wrong, whether you talk about shooting a working stiff in Red Bluff or invading Iraq to satisfy the President's feeble ego.
I also think that corporate irresponsibility really is a major problem that is not going to go away. But anyone else out there who is reading this and is thinking about "direct action" -- consider this carefully. Killing solves nothing. Carefully showing a capability, then NOT using it . . . that can wake people up and make them think. And if you break the law, you also lose its protections . . . keep it legal but keep it radical.
I think murder for political purposes is wrong, whether you talk about shooting a working stiff in Red Bluff or invading Iraq to satisfy the President's feeble ego.
I also think that corporate irresponsibility really is a major problem that is not going to go away. But anyone else out there who is reading this and is thinking about "direct action" -- consider this carefully. Killing solves nothing. Carefully showing a capability, then NOT using it . . . that can wake people up and make them think. And if you break the law, you also lose its protections . . . keep it legal but keep it radical.
I think murder for political purposes is wrong, whether you talk about shooting a working stiff in Red Bluff or invading Iraq to satisfy the President's feeble ego.
I also think that corporate irresponsibility really is a major problem that is not going to go away. But anyone else out there who is reading this and is thinking about "direct action" -- consider this carefully. Killing solves nothing. Carefully showing a capability, then NOT using it . . . that can wake people up and make them think. And if you break the law, you also lose its protections . . . keep it legal but keep it radical.
I think murder for political purposes is wrong, whether you talk about shooting a working stiff in Red Bluff or invading Iraq to satisfy the President's feeble ego.
I also think that corporate irresponsibility really is a major problem that is not going to go away. But anyone else out there who is reading this and is thinking about "direct action" -- consider this carefully. Killing solves nothing. Carefully showing a capability, then NOT using it . . . that can wake people up and make them think. And if you break the law, you also lose its protections . . . keep it legal but keep it radical.
I think murder for political purposes is wrong, whether you talk about shooting a working stiff in Red Bluff or invading Iraq to satisfy the President's feeble ego.
I also think that corporate irresponsibility really is a major problem that is not going to go away. But anyone else out there who is reading this and is thinking about "direct action" -- consider this carefully. Killing solves nothing. Carefully showing a capability, then NOT using it . . . that can wake people up and make them think. And if you break the law, you also lose its protections . . . keep it legal but keep it radical.
I think murder for political purposes is wrong, whether you talk about shooting a working stiff in Red Bluff or invading Iraq to satisfy the President's feeble ego.
I also think that corporate irresponsibility really is a major problem that is not going to go away. But anyone else out there who is reading this and is thinking about "direct action" -- consider this carefully. Killing solves nothing. Carefully showing a capability, then NOT using it . . . that can wake people up and make them think. And if you break the law, you also lose its protections . . . keep it legal but keep it radical.
I think murder for political purposes is wrong, whether you talk about shooting a working stiff in Red Bluff or invading Iraq to satisfy the President's feeble ego.
I also think that corporate irresponsibility really is a major problem that is not going to go away. But anyone else out there who is reading this and is thinking about "direct action" -- consider this carefully. Killing solves nothing. Carefully showing a capability, then NOT using it . . . that can wake people up and make them think. And if you break the law, you also lose its protections . . . keep it legal but keep it radical.
I think murder for political purposes is wrong, whether you talk about shooting a working stiff in Red Bluff or invading Iraq to satisfy the President's feeble ego.
I also think that corporate irresponsibility really is a major problem that is not going to go away. But anyone else out there who is reading this and is thinking about "direct action" -- consider this carefully. Killing solves nothing. Carefully showing a capability, then NOT using it . . . that can wake people up and make them think. And if you break the law, you also lose its protections . . . keep it legal but keep it radical.
Bush is going to say innocents had to die to get rid of the bad man at the top. Are you stupid? can you not see connections?
Not selfish people like yourselves. You only "feel" when you feel it's one of your own. How pathetic.
A baby cries
A cop dies
A day's pay on the wild side.
With all of this hate talk going on here, we are no better than him.
You can kill with words just as easy as you can with a gun.
Let he who lives without sin cast the first stone.
All we are saying is give peace a chance.
-oh yeah and for that guy that said killing cops is cool you will probably be the next one rotting in jail.
i go to rb high school and one day we were talking about how we couldnt imagine how the family felt. can you imagine? its disgusting that you could do this. he was a father, to an 18 month old child...what is his child going to think about his opinions or views of this world??
and if you want to make such a difference you don't have to kill a cop, or anyone for that matter to do it. what you did was cowardly, and i hope you fry in hell for it. now i know you will probably never read this but i read your letter and how you addressed teenagers specifically-really got to me...not how you wanted it to. it made me mad-you trying to get to teens and try to make them act out on issues they probably barely understand. i know the government isnt perfect and theres a lot of things i dont know but i know enough to ignore a psycho who killed an innocent person to prove a point.
there are people out there making a difference in NONVIOLENT ways--and theyre not going to get the death penalty.
Blaming Hussein for the US murdering a million innocent, loving children from powerless families is a million times worse then blaming corporations for the murder of a police officer.
I send my deepest sympathies and best wishes to the family, coworkers, friends, Red Bluff residents, and all others affected by the tragic murder of David Mobilio, as I do for the loved ones of the millions of nameless children murdered by US enforced sanctions in Iraq. I will work, nonviolently, as much as I can to minimize the occurrence of murderous activity in the future.
20 years ago, Nicaragua had a growing economy praised by the UN for its progress and potential to benefit human beings. Since Nicaragua had socialistic policies, the US fought a terror war that resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people. Now, Nicaragua is the poorest, or one of the poorest countries in Latin America. Once again, US actions led to death and destruction visited upon innocent civilians who did nothing to the US.
Maybe you can remember your pain and outrage at tragedies that have affected your life when US foreign policy is being debated on tv or in papers. Maybe you can see that US actions affect others that have feelings to. Maybe you can search for peaceful alternatives before using force. Maybe you can take your share of responsiblity for what your country has done as much as you try to blame your dehumanized enemies.
To andy and all of his gay little followers. What The Fuck? Where would we be without police? If they were not around, your mother would have been raped, you would have been robbed, and your children killed. And no justice would be served, and everyone would always live in fear.
To Andy: I sincerely hope you get
FUCKED IN THE ASS 3 TIMES A DAY!!!
I can't imagine how great the guards will treat you. Rot in fucking hell....As hard as it is in the midst of tumultuous emotions, let's try not to spew even more hatred. Andy seems like a troubled, pathetic person. There is never an excuse to take a life and if we take HIS life then we are just as bad as he was. The old pot calling the kettle black. He killed him so I'll kill him and you killed so and so so I'll kill you and on and on and on. Let the Universe take care of this guy. He'll get his. Why waste your breath spouting venom on a message board.
Out of curiousity, I would like to know what has happened to this message board recently. For example, it used to be inteligent conversation and now it seems like there are alot of bigots on here.In this thread alone, there are many calling each other "faggots." Sorry, I live in San Francisco so I'm not used to that shit. Are people from Texas infiltrating SF Indymedia all of a sudden? In certain threads it looks like "Focus on the Family."
What happened?
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I hate andy!
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...There was no immediate comment from Red Bluff police, however readers of the Web site appeared largely appalled at McCrae's actions and his justification.
"Nice job, you moron," wrote one reader. "Lay in wait like the coward that you are and whack a cop filling up his car with gas... shot from behind...like the tiny Podunk town of Red Bluff, Ca is a hotbed of police state tactics...who are you trying to kid? You're just another sorry, pathetic, loser punk who's just wasted their life...do you think you've made a difference in the world? Maybe to the 18-month-old child you just left without a father? I hope you have a few years to reflect on your misery on death row before the government slips that long needle into your pathetic, deserving arm...and you end up where you belong... "
Another posting said simply, "You should go to hell."
Other submissions echoed McCrae's condemnation of "corporate America" and bemoaned the "wasting" of his life and the prospect of facing life in prison.
"Christine," from Red Bluff posted the following message: "I don't know where to begin. I Live in Red Bluff, CA and personally knew Officer Mobilio. He was a very kind man and worked with the Elementary Schools DARE programs. He was married and had a 19-month-old son. How can any one human being think that he can play God? What gives you the right to just decide that someone innocent needs to die? Your Corporation will do you no good; it isn't a debt...it's murder."
(Reported by Hil Anderson in Los Angeles)
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For someone who revealed his crime and surrendered volunteraly, he doesn't seem like a monster that everyones makes him to be. He's just an idealist. And while that is not an excuse to kill people, some of you people are being completly unfair in your judgement.
What's worse, you call him guilty even when his sentance hasn't been heard yet. Shame on you.
I am very depressed now.
The guy wrote in his first sentence: "I killed a Police Officer ". I really don't think it we can be accused of jumping to conclusions or pre-judging him prior to official sentencing.
I wonder if the policeman's family agrees with you that he's not a monster.
For what its worth though, I don't think he really killed anyone. I think this is a bogus writeup.
Yes, cops, from time to time, engage in questionable, even deadly, tactics, but when it comes right down to it, they're generally just doing their job.
You stupid paranoid f*cks all seem to believe that law enforcement automatically equals EVIL!
It's just as knee-jerk and idiotic a belief as those in the GOOOO CAPITALISM! crowd have.
One could go on and on about the evils of corporations, and if this guy's writing had been merely satire, had not been based in fact, it would have been brilliant, I'll give him that much.
But killing one who upholds the law, who - for better or worse - is seen by the vast majority of Americans as a Good Person no matter what his personal life may actually be like, just knocks the cause of Corporate Change back another ten years.
This gives the Real Powers That Be yet another person they can point to to discredit Social Justice movements, to say "Look! Look at these violent punks!" When people do shit like this, they're only digging their own graves.
There may be 40,000 people at a Smokey Bears picnic and it doesn't make the news; 2,000 people turn up at a demo in central London and fight the cops, and it does make the news - but in the wrong way.
We are fucked either way.
I don't condone killing anybody; violence is never the way forward, but I hope that the killing at least has some benefit - and that this guy's political points are made in the media.
But I doubt it. I suspect they will just call him an "anti-capitalist" and end it there. In their views, "anti-capitalist" = "deviant" = "terrorist".
It's just sad, how sad.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/11/27/MN70905.DTL
From the SF Chronicle:"
Little is known about McCrae's background. He lived in Ohio as a teenager and spent three years in the Army, mostly stationed at Fort Campbell, Ky., until he was discharged Aug. 11, 2001, his family said. The Army declined to comment on his service.
McCrae, who identifies himself in the posting as an Army veteran and graduate of the U.S. Army Ranger School, Airborne School and Jungle Operations Training School, also complains heartily about the military. "
>Your stupid
>by ******** • Tuesday November 26, 2002 at 09:43 AM
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>You should go to hell
Well, all I say is let's hope they teach grammar in hell ...
PS. Bush is perfect for you American lunatics: he speaks in slow soundbite-like phrases, easy to misunde...^ZZZZZZ understand grunts, and makes enough mistakes that most Americans can relate to him. Complete with knuckles dragging on the ground, he's your perfect president.
Problem is, why can't you keep him the fuck at home?
When was the verdict released, i cant seem to find it on the net...
oh wait a sec, that happens after a trial...
Who invented Napalm ? Cluster bombs ? Land mines ?
How about that indian "chemical plant" "accident".
So - lets get this right. You're slandering a corporation because he claims to have killed one person. (This in itself is a henious crime). Large corporations worldwide kill hundreds of thousands (and not just McMerican ones. Think of "African dried milk scandal", "human organ trafficking", etc.
But - if he's a corporation, I just hope that the same laws that get applied to the corporations get applied to him. Apalling though that would be.
So choose. The USA is supposed to be the world cop. So be one. "Justice is blind" used to mean something.
Got a problem with this ? Then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
Protest. Complain. Demand that the law is not immutable by some chimpanzee goverment in the pay of the corporates. Use your vote wisely.
Clearly, you have not done so recently.
Good luck.
If you think wealth can not be created, then you think there is a limited amount of wealth -- so the only wealth in this British colony is a fraction of what England had in colonial days? Wealth is created when someone sells for more than their cost -- such as by using ten cents of plastic, three cents of labor, and a miniscule amount of wear on a machine, to make a toy which sells for $1.95. They use that wealth to pay taxes, pay employees, pay for the factory...and pay some to executives and shareholders.
It is due to so much wealth being created by 225 years of business that the USA has the world's largest middle class. Our society has succeeded in not allowing robber warlords to tear down any region, has destroyed major pirate organizations which threatened shipping and life ("...to the shores of Tripoli..."), and has minimized leeching criminal groups. Millions of people have been able to earn a decent living, banks have a stable economy and can make loans so people can buy homes instead of having to spend to rent, and the creation of one's own business is encouraged. Many new businesses fail, but some succeed and produce new wealth for a corner, a neighborhood, a city, or a country.
Some people in other countries are envious of the USA. Many try to improve their country and their lives. A few aren't so creative, and try to bring the USA down to their level. Making everyone poor does not improve any situation.
I agree with your arguments but not your actions. Sadly, I suspect there will be many more casualties on all sides before sanity returns.
Some crazy person kills someone and makes a few local papers. I dont see how this has anything to do with the "anti-capitalism movement ". People who knew the police officer are angry but its not even a major news story outside to this guys town...
I found this thred just browsing through the news sites.Im from the UK who's government is getting the same way as that flea pit called the US.
Where else would someone kill an innocent to prove a well known point?If you want a change in the citadel of commerce then you must play by their rules.
Personally-I reckon you should douse yourselves in the oh so important cheap gas and light the bloody thing and be done with it.You are a virus.
Anyone is planning a trip to the moon then im coming with you cause this planet is pure shit and is getting smellier I reckon.
Thanks for reading my minor rant.
Keith
Regards.
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If you read past that first sentance in Andy's diatribe, you'll just find a guy who is disgusted with a country he loves. He served 3 years for a country that he finally realized is heading in the wrong direction. He's one of the few young people to do this - after the counter-culture of the early 60's was suppressed, and that generation lost their way, it was realized that the best sheep are dumb sheep. Not too many people in their 20's these days care about what is happening around them (ask anyone in their teens what the 5th Admendent affords them). If Andy's message is laced in blood, that is only because it is a reflection of the culture that surrounds him (if you want to refute that, take another look at some of the messages by dotie, and the fine girls at Red Bluff High, and others). These days, the pen is no longer stronger than the sword - the message gets across only with extreme messures, because the counter-noise is way too loud. My hope is that it will only take one.
Again, its very sad this happened, whether Andy did it or not. My grief is with the family. But remember too that Andy has a family, and though the one poster liked to speculate (alittle too fervently) about his pedigree, they are probably shocked and saddened as well. Andy has a clear, articulate message that does not normally escape past the baying of the other sheep.
Hopefully you read past his first sentance, which is there to get your attention, and stop to see what is really going on around you, and why (IF he did it) Andy felt that this was the only way to get your attention. Because if you don't, this will not be the last time.
I'd be prepared to bet that the people saying that Andy is evil and will burn in hell, if not the electic chair, don't complain when American bombs and policies kill innocent people around the world.
Is one death for peace worse than a thousand deaths for money?
I mean calling him a c**ksucker is hardly constructive is it?
Ireland
Sometimes, the only way to make a point is to piss people off. And yes, I feel bad for his family. I myself have young children. Tough shit. It is time for us to get the system back to something resembling sanity. If we don't, then it won't be long until 1984 is really here.
The primitive man, ignorant of natural forces, dreaded their approach, hiding from the perils they threatened. As man learned to understand Nature's phenomena, he realized that though these may destroy life and cause great loss, they also bring relief. To the earnest student it must be apparent that the accumulated forces in our social and economic life, culminating in a political act of violence, are similar to the terrors of the atmosphere, manifested in storm and lightning.
To thoroughly appreciate the truth of this view, one must feel intensely the indignity of our social wrongs; one's very being must throb with the pain, the sorrow, the despair millions of people are daily made to endure. Indeed, unless we have become a part of humanity, we cannot even faintly understand the just indignation that accumulates in a human soul, the burning, surging passion that makes the storm inevitable.
The ignorant mass looks upon the man who makes a violent protest against our social and economic iniquities as upon a wild beast, a cruel, heartless monster, whose joy it is to destroy life and bathe in blood; or at best, as upon an irresponsible lunatic. Yet nothing is further from the truth. As a matter of fact, those who have studied the character and personality of these men, or who have come in close contact with them, are agreed that it is their super-sensitiveness to the wrong and injustice surrounding them which compels them to pay the toll of our social crimes. The most noted writers and poets, discussing the psychology of political offenders, have paid them the highest tribute. Could anyone assume that these men had advised violence, or even approved of the acts? Certainly not. Theirs was the attitude of the social student, of the man who knows that beyond every violent act there is a vital cause.
Björnstjerne Björnson, in the second part of Beyond Human Power, emphasizes the fact that it is among the Anarchists that we must look for the modern martyrs who pay for their faith with their blood, and who welcome death with a smile, because they believe, as truly as Christ did, that their martyrdom will redeem humanity.
François Copp , the French novelist, thus expresses himself regarding the psychology of the Attentäter:
"The reading of the details of Vaillant's execution left me in a thoughtful mood. I imagined him expanding his chest under the ropes, marching with firm step, stiffening his will, concentrating all his energy, and, with eyes fixed upon the knife, hurling finally at society his cry of malediction. And, in spite of me, another spectacle rose suddenly before my mind. I saw a group of men and women pressing against each other in the middle of the oblong arena of the circus, under the gaze of thousands of eyes, while from all the steps of the immense amphitheatre went up the terrible cry, Ad leones! and, below, the opening cages of the wild beasts.
"I did not believe the execution would take place. In the first place, no victim had been struck with death, and it had long been the custom not to punish an abortive crime with the last degree of severity. Then, this crime, however terrible in intention, was disinterested, born of an abstract idea. The man's past, his abandoned childhood, his life of hardship, pleaded also in his favor. In the independent press generous voices were raised in his behalf, very loud and eloquent. 'A purely literary current of opinion' some have said, with no little scorn. It is, on the contrary, an honor to the men of art and thought to have expressed once more their disgust at the scaffold."
Again Zola, in Germinal and Paris, describes the tenderness and kindness, the deep sympathy with human suffering, of these men who close the chapter of their lives with a violent outbreak against our system.
Last, but not least, the man who probably better than anyone else understands the psychology of the Attentäter is M. Hamon, the author of the brilliant work Une Psychologie du Militaire Professionnel, who has arrived at these suggestive conclusions:
"The positive method confirmed by the rational method enables us to establish an ideal type of Anarchist, whose mentality is the aggregate of common psychic characteristics. Every Anarchist partakes sufficiently of this ideal type to make it possible to differentiate him from other men. The typical Anarchist, then, may be defined as follows: A man perceptible by the spirit of revolt under one or more of its forms,--opposition, investigation, criticism, innovation,--endowed with a strong love of liberty, egoistic or individualistic, and possessed of great curiosity, a keen desire to know. These traits are supplemented by an ardent love of others, a highly developed moral sensitiveness, a profound sentiment of justice, and imbued with missionary zeal."
To the above characteristics, says Alvin F. Sanborn, must be added these sterling qualities: a rare love of animals, surpassing sweetness in all the ordinary relations of life, exceptional sobriety of demeanor, frugality and regularity, austerity, even, of living, and courage beyond compare. 2
"There is a truism that the man in the street seems always to forget, when he is abusing the Anarchists, or whatever party happens to be his bête noire for the moment, as the cause of some outrage just perpetrated. This indisputable fact is that homicidal outrages have, from time immemorial, been the reply of goaded and desperate classes, and goaded and desperate individuals, to wrongs from their fellowmen, which they felt to be intolerable. Such acts are the violent recoil from violence, whether aggressive or repressive; they are the last desperate struggle of outraged and exasperated human nature for breathing space and life. And their cause lies not in any special conviction, but in the depths of that human nature itself. The whole course of history, political and social, is strewn with evidence of this fact. To go no further, take the three most notorious examples of political parties goaded into violence during the last fifty years: the Mazzinians in Italy, the Fenians in Ireland, and the Terrorists in Russia. Were these people Anarchists? No. Did they all three even hold the same political opinions? No. The Mazzinians were Republicans, the Fenians political separatists, the Russians Social Democrats or Constitutionalists. But all were driven by desperate circumstances into this terrible form of revolt. And when we turn from parties to individuals who have acted in like manner, we stand appalled by the number of human beings goaded and driven by sheer desperation into conduct obviously violently opposed to their social instincts.
"Now that Anarchism has become a living force in society, such deeds have been sometimes committed by Anarchists, as well as by others. For no new faith, even the most essentially peaceable and humane the mind of man has yet accepted, but at its first coming has brought upon earth not peace, but a sword; not because of anything violent or anti-social in the doctrine itself; simply because of the ferment any new and creative idea excites in men's minds, whether they accept or reject it. And a conception of Anarchism, which, on one hand, threatens every vested interest, and, on the other, holds out a vision of a free and noble life to be won by a struggle against existing wrongs, is certain to rouse the fiercest opposition, and bring the whole repressive force of ancient evil into violent contact with the tumultuous outburst of a new hope.
"Under miserable conditions of life, any vision of the possibility of better things makes the present misery more intolerable, and spurs those who suffer to the most energetic struggles to improve their lot, and if these struggles only immediately result in sharper misery, the outcome is sheer desperation. In our present society, for instance, an exploited wage worker, who catches a glimpse of what work and life might and ought to be, finds the toilsome routine and the squalor of his existence almost intolerable; and even when he has the resolution and courage to continue steadily working his best, and waiting until new ideas have so permeated society as to pave the way for better times, the mere fact that he has such ideas and tries to spread them, brings him into difficulties with his employers. How many thousands of Socialists, and above all Anarchists, have lost work and even the chance of work, solely on the ground of their opinions. It is only the specially gifted craftsman, who, if he be a zealous propagandist, can hope to retain permanent employment. And what happens to a man with his brain working actively with a ferment of new ideas, with a vision before his eyes of a new hope dawning for toiling and agonizing men, with the knowledge that his suffering and that of his fellows in misery is not caused by the cruelty of fate, but by the injustice of other human beings,--what happens to such a man when he sees those dear to him starving, when he himself is starved? Some natures in such a plight, and those by no means the least social or the least sensitive, will become violent, and will even feel that their violence is social and not anti-social, that in striking when and how they can, they are striking, not for themselves, but for human nature, outraged and despoiled in their persons and in those of their fellow sufferers. And are we, who ourselves are not in this horrible predicament, to stand by and coldly condemn these piteous victims of the Furies and Fates? Are we to decry as miscreants these human beings who act with heroic self-devotion, sacrificing their lives in protest, where less social and less energetic natures would lie down and grovel in abject submission to injustice and wrong? Are we to join the ignorant and brutal outcry which stigmatizes such men as monsters of wickedness, gratuitously running amuck in a harmonious and innocently peaceful society? No! We hate murder with a hatred that may seem absurdly exaggerated to apologists for Matabele massacres, to callous acquiescers in hangings and bombardments, but we decline in such cases of homicide, or attempted homicide, as those of which we are treating, to be guilty of the cruel injustice of flinging the whole responsibility of the deed upon the immediate perpetrator. The guilt of these homicides lies upon every man and woman who, intentionally or by cold indifference, helps to keep up social conditions that drive human beings to despair. The man who flings his whole life into the attempt, at the cost of his own life, to protest against the wrongs of his fellow men, is a saint compared to the active and passive upholders of cruelty and injustice, even if his protest destroy other lives besides his own. Let him who is without sin in society cast the first stone at such an one." 3
That every act of political violence should nowadays be attributed to Anarchists is not at all surprising. Yet it is a fact known to almost everyone familiar with the Anarchist movement that a great number of acts, for which Anarchists had to suffer, either originated with the capitalist press or were instigated, if not directly perpetrated, by the police.
For a number of years acts of violence had been committed in Spain, for which the Anarchists were held responsible, hounded like wild beasts, and thrown into prison. Later it was disclosed that the perpetrators of these acts were not Anarchists, but members of the police department. The scandal became so widespread that the conservative Spanish papers demanded the apprehension and punishment of the gang-leader, Juan Rull, who was subsequently condemned to death and executed. The sensational evidence, brought to light during the trial, forced Police Inspector Momento to exonerate completely the Anarchists from any connection with the acts committed during a long period. This resulted in the dismissal of a number of police officials, among them Inspector Tressols, who, in revenge, disclosed the fact that behind the gang of police bomb throwers were others of far higher position, who provided them with funds and protected them.
This is one of the many striking examples of how Anarchist conspiracies are manufactured.
That the American police can perjure themselves with the same ease, that they are just as merciless, just as brutal and cunning as their European colleagues, has been proven on more than one occasion. We need only recall the tragedy of the eleventh of November, 1887, known as the Haymarket Riot.
No one who is at all familiar with the case can possibly doubt that the Anarchists, judicially murdered in Chicago, died as victims of a lying, blood-thirsty press and of a cruel police conspiracy. Has not Judge Gary himself said: "Not because you have caused the Haymarket bomb, but because you are Anarchists, you are on trial."
The impartial and thorough analysis by Governor Altgeld of that blotch on the American escutcheon verified the brutal frankness of Judge Gary. It was this that induced Altgeld to pardon the three Anarchists, thereby earning the lasting esteem of every liberty-loving man and woman in the world.
When we approach the tragedy of September sixth, 1901, we are confronted by one of the most striking examples of how little social theories are responsible for an act of political violence. "Leon Czolgosz, an Anarchist, incited to commit the act by Emma Goldman." To be sure, has she not incited violence even before her birth, and will she not continue to do so beyond death? Everything is possible with the Anarchists.
Today, even, nine years after the tragedy, after it was proven a hundred times that Emma Goldman had nothing to do with the event, that no evidence whatsoever exists to indicate that Czolgosz ever called himself an Anarchist, we are confronted with the same lie, fabricated by the police and perpetuated by the press. No living soul ever heard Czolgosz make that statement, nor is there a single written word to prove that the boy ever breathed the accusation. Nothing but ignorance and insane hysteria, which have never yet been able to solve the simplest problem of cause and effect.
The President of a free Republic killed! What else can be the cause, except that the Attentäter must have been insane, or that he was incited to the act.
A free Republic! How a myth will maintain itself, how it will continue to deceive, to dupe, and blind even the comparatively intelligent to its monstrous absurdities. A free Republic! And yet within a little over thirty years a small band of parasites have successfully robbed the American people, and trampled upon the fundamental principles, laid down by the fathers of this country, guaranteeing to every man, woman, and child "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." For thirty years they have been increasing their wealth and power at the expense of the vast mass of workers, thereby enlarging the army of the unemployed, the hungry, homeless, and friendless portion of humanity, who are tramping the country from east to west, from north to south, in a vain search for work. For many years the home has been left to the care of the little ones, while the parents are exhausting their life and strength for a mere pittance. For thirty years the sturdy sons of America have been sacrificed on the battlefield of industrial war, and the daughters outraged in corrupt factory surroundings. For long and weary years this process of undermining the nation's health, vigor, and pride, without much protest from the disinherited and oppressed, has been going on. Maddened by success and victory, the money powers of this "free land of ours" became more and more audacious in their heartless, cruel efforts to compete with the rotten and decayed European tyrannies for supremacy of power.
In vain did a lying press repudiate Leon Czolgosz as a foreigner. The boy was a product of our own free American soil, that lulled him to sleep with,
My country, 'tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty.
Who can tell how many times this American child had gloried in the celebration of the Fourth of July, or of Decoration Day, when he faithfully honored the Nation's dead? Who knows but that he, too, was willing to "fight for his country and die for her liberty," until it dawned upon him that those he belonged to have no country, because they have been robbed of all that they have produced; until he realized that the liberty and independence of his youthful dreams were but a farce. Poor Leon Czolgosz, your crime consisted of too sensitive a social consciousness. Unlike your idealless and brainless American brothers, your ideals soared above the belly and the bank account. No wonder you impressed the one human being among all the infuriated mob at your trial--a newspaper woman--as a visionary, totally oblivious to your surroundings. Your large, dreamy eyes must have beheld a new and glorious dawn.
Now, to a recent instance of police-manufactured Anarchist plots. In that bloodstained city Chicago, the life of Chief of Police Shippy was attempted by a young man named Averbuch. Immediately the cry was sent to the four corners of the world that Averbuch was an Anarchist, and that Anarchists were responsible for the act. Everyone who was at all known to entertain Anarchist ideas was closely watched, a number of people arrested, the library of an Anarchist group confiscated, and all meetings made impossible. It goes without saying that, as on various previous occasions, I must needs be held responsible for the act. Evidently the American police credit me with occult powers. I did not know Averbuch; in fact, had never before heard his name, and the only way I could have possibly "conspired" with him was in my astral body. But, then, the police are not concerned with logic or justice. What they seek is a target, to mask their absolute ignorance of the cause, of the psychology of a political act. Was Averbuch an Anarchist? There is no positive proof of it. He had been but three months in the country, did not know the language, and, as far as I could ascertain, was quite unknown to the Anarchists of Chicago.
What led to his act? Averbuch, like most young Russian immigrants, undoubtedly believed in the mythical liberty of America. He received his first baptism by the policeman's club during the brutal dispersement of the unemployed parade. He further experienced American equality and opportunity in the vain efforts to find an economic master. In short, a three months' sojourn in the glorious land brought him face to face with the fact that the disinherited are in the same position the world over. In his native land he probably learned that necessity knows no law--there was no difference between a Russian and an American policeman.
The question to the intelligent social student is not whether the acts of Czolgosz or Averbuch were practical, any more than whether the thunderstorm is practical. The thing that will inevitably impress itself on the thinking and feeling man and woman is that the sight of brutal clubbing of innocent victims in a so-called free Republic, and the degrading, soul-destroying economic struggle, furnish the spark that kindles the dynamic force in the overwrought, outraged souls of men like Czolgosz or Averbuch. No amount of persecution, of hounding, of repression, can stay this social phenomenon.
But, it is often asked, have not acknowledged Anarchists committed acts of violence? Certainly they have, always however ready to shoulder the responsibility. My contention is that they were impelled, not by the teachings of Anarchism, but by the tremendous pressure of conditions, making life unbearable to their sensitive natures. Obviously, Anarchism, or any other social theory, making man a conscious social unit, will act as a leaven for rebellion. This is not a mere assertion, but a fact verified by all experience. A close examination of the circumstances bearing upon this question will further clarify my position.
Let us consider some of the most important Anarchist acts within the last two decades. Strange as it may seem, one of the most significant deeds of political violence occurred here in America, in connection with the Homestead strike of 1892.
During that memorable time the Carnegie Steel Company organized a conspiracy to crush the Amalgamated Association of Iron and Steel Workers. Henry Clay Frick, then Chairman of the Company, was intrusted with that democratic task. He lost no time in carrying out the policy of breaking the Union, the policy which he had so successfully practiced during his reign of terror in the coke regions. Secretly, and while peace negotiations were being purposely prolonged, Frick supervised the military preparations, the fortification of the Homestead Steel Works, the erection of a high board fence, capped with barbed wire and provided with loopholes for sharpshooters. And then, in the dead of night, he attempted to smuggle his army of hired Pinkerton thugs into Homestead, which act precipitated the terrible carnage of the steel workers. Not content with the death of eleven victims, killed in the Pinkerton skirmish, Henry Clay Frick, good Christian and free American, straightway began the hounding down of the helpless wives and orphans, by ordering them out of the wretched Company houses.
The whole country was aroused over these inhuman outrages. Hundreds of voices were raised in protest, calling on Frick to desist, not to go too far. Yes, hundreds of people protested,--as one objects to annoying flies. Only one there was who actively responded to the outrage at Homestead,--Alexander Berkman. Yes, he was an Anarchist. He gloried in that fact, because it was the only force that made the discord between his spiritual longing and the world without at all bearable. Yet not Anarchism, as such, but the brutal slaughter of the eleven steel workers was the urge for Alexander Berkman's act, his attempt on the life of Henry Clay Frick.
The record of European acts of political violence affords numerous and striking instances of the influence of environment upon sensitive human beings.
The court speech of Vaillant, who, in 1894, exploded a bomb in the Paris Chamber of Deputies, strikes the true keynote of the psychology of such acts:
"Gentlemen, in a few minutes you are to deal your blow, but in receiving your verdict I shall have at least the satisfaction of having wounded the existing society, that cursed society in which one may see a single man spending, uselessly, enough to feed thousands of families; an infamous society which permits a few individuals to monopolize all the social wealth, while there are hundreds of thousands of unfortunates who have not even the bread that is not refused to dogs, and while entire families are committing suicide for want of the necessities of life.
"Ah, gentlemen, if the governing classes could go down among the unfortunates! But no, they prefer to remain deaf to their appeals. It seems that a fatality impels them, like the royalty of the eighteenth century, toward the precipice which will engulf them, for woe be to those who remain deaf to the cries of the starving, woe to those who, believing themselves of superior essence, assume the right to exploit those beneath them! There comes a time when the people no longer reason; they rise like a hurricane, and pass away like a torrent. Then we see bleeding heads impaled on pikes.
"Among the exploited, gentlemen, there are two classes of individuals. Those of one class, not realizing what they are and what they might be, take life as it comes, believe that they are born to be slaves, and content themselves with the little that is given them in exchange for their labor. But there are others, on the contrary, who think, who study, and who, looking about them, discover social iniquities. Is it their fault if they see clearly and suffer at seeing others suffer? Then they throw themselves into the struggle, and make themselves the bearers of the popular claims.
"Gentlemen, I am one of these last. Wherever I have gone, I have seen unfortunates bent beneath the yoke of capital. Everywhere I have seen the same wounds causing tears of blood to flow, even in the remoter parts of the inhabited districts of South America, where I had the right to believe that he who was weary of the pains of civilization might rest in the shade of the palm trees and there study nature. Well, there even, more than elsewhere, I have seen capital come, like a vampire, to suck the last drop of blood of the unfortunate pariahs.
"Then I came back to France, where it was reserved for me to see my family suffer atrociously. This was the last drop in the cup of my sorrow. Tired of leading this life of suffering and cowardice, I carried this bomb to those who are primarily responsible for social misery.
"I am reproached with the wounds of those who were hit by my projectiles. Permit me to point out in passing that, if the bourgeois had not massacred or caused massacres during the Revolution, it is probable that they would still be under the yoke of the nobility. On the other hand, figure up the dead and wounded on Tonquin, Madagascar, Dahomey, adding thereto the thousands, yes, millions of unfortunates who die in the factories, the mines, and wherever the grinding power of capital is felt. Add also those who die of hunger, and all this with the assent of our Deputies. Beside all this, of how little weight are the reproaches now brought against me!
"It is true that one does not efface the other; but, after all, are we not acting on the defensive when we respond to the blows which we receive from above? I know very well that I shall be told that I ought to have confined myself to speech for the vindication of the people's claims. But what can you expect! It takes a loud voice to make the deaf hear. Too long have they answered our voices by imprisonment, the rope, rifle volleys. Make no mistake; the explosion of my bomb is not only the cry of the rebel Vaillant, but the cry of an entire class which vindicates its rights, and which will soon add acts to words. For, be sure of it, in vain will they pass laws. The ideas of the thinkers will not halt; just as, in the last century, all the governmental forces could not prevent the Diderots and the Voltaires from spreading emancipating ideas among the people, so all the existing governmental forces will not prevent the Reclus, the Darwins, the Spencers, the Ibsens, the Mirbeaus, from spreading the ideas of justice and liberty which will annihilate the prejudices that hold the mass in ignorance. And these ideas, welcomed by the unfortunate, will flower in acts of revolt as they have done in me, until the day when the disappearance of authority shall permit all men to organize freely according to their choice, when everyone shall be able to enjoy the product of his labor, and when those moral maladies called prejudices shall vanish, permitting human beings to live in harmony, having no other desire than to study the sciences and love their fellows.
"I conclude, gentlemen, by saying that a society in which one sees such social inequalities as we see all about us, in which we see every day suicides caused by poverty, prostitution flaring at every street corner,--a society whose principal monuments are barracks and prisons,--such a society must be transformed as soon as possible, on pain of being eliminated, and that speedily, from the human race. Hail to him who labors, by no matter what means, for this transformation! It is this idea that has guided me in my duel with authority, but as in this duel I have only wounded my adversary, it is now its turn to strike me.
"Now, gentlemen, to me it matters little what penalty you may inflict, for, looking at this assembly with the eyes of reason, I can not help smiling to see you, atoms lost in matter, and reasoning only because you possess a prolongation of the spinal marrow, assume the right to judge one of your fellows.
"Ah! gentlemen, how little a thing is your assembly and your verdict in the history of humanity; and human history, in its turn, is likewise a very little thing in the whirlwind which bears it through immensity, and which is destined to disappear, or at least to be transformed, in order to begin again the same history and the same facts, a veritably perpetual play of cosmic forces renewing and transferring themselves forever."
Will anyone say that Vaillant was an ignorant, vicious man, or a lunatic? Was not his mind singularly clear and analytic? No wonder that the best intellectual forces of France spoke in his behalf, and signed the petition to President Carnot, asking him to commute Vaillant's death sentence.
Carnot would listen to no entreaty; he insisted on more than a pound of flesh, he wanted Vaillant's life, and then--the inevitable happened: President Carnot was killed. On the handle of the stiletto used by the Attentäter was engraved, significantly,
VAILLANT!
Santa Caserio was an Anarchist. He could have gotten away, saved himself; but he remained, he stood the consequences.
His reasons for the act are set forth in so simple, dignified, and childlike manner that one is reminded of the touching tribute paid Caserio by his teacher of the little village school, Ada Negri, the Italian poet, who spoke of him as a sweet, tender plant, of too fine and sensitive texture to stand the cruel strain of the world.
"Gentlemen of the Jury! I do not propose to make a defense, but only an explanation of my deed.
"Since my early youth I began to learn that present society is badly organized, so badly that every day many wretched men commit suicide, leaving women and children in the most terrible distress. Workers, by thousands, seek for work and can not find it. Poor families beg for food and shiver with cold; they suffer the greatest misery; the little ones ask their miserable mothers for food, and the mothers cannot give it to them, because they have nothing. The few things which the home contained have already been sold or pawned. All they can do is beg alms; often they are arrested as vagabonds.
"I went away from my native place because I was frequently moved to tears at seeing little girls of eight or ten years obliged to work fifteen hours a day for the paltry pay of twenty centimes. Young women of eighteen or twenty also work fifteen hours daily, for a mockery of remuneration. And that happens not only to my fellow countrymen, but to all the workers, who sweat the whole day long for a crust of bread, while their labor produces wealth in abundance. The workers are obliged to live under the most wretched conditions, and their food consists of a little bread, a few spoonfuls of rice, and water; so by the time they are thirty or forty years old, they are exhausted, and go to die in the hospitals. Besides, in consequence of bad food and overwork, these unhappy creatures are, by hundreds, devoured by pellagra--a disease that, in my country, attacks, as the physicians say, those who are badly fed and lead a life of toil and privation.
"I have observed that there are a great many people who are hungry, and many children who suffer, whilst bread and clothes abound in the towns. I saw many and large shops full of clothing and woolen stuffs, and I also saw warehouses full of wheat and Indian corn, suitable for those who are in want. And, on the other hand, I saw thousands of people who do not work, who produce nothing and live on the labor of others; who spend every day thousands of francs for their amusement; who debauch the daughters of the workers; who own dwellings of forty or fifty rooms; twenty or thirty horses, many servants; in a word, all the pleasures of life.
"I believed in God; but when I saw so great an inequality between men, I acknowledged that it was not God who created man, but man who created God. And I discovered that those who want their property to be respected, have an interest in preaching the existence of paradise and hell, and in keeping the people in ignorance.
"Not long ago, Vaillant threw a bomb in the Chamber of Deputies, to protest against the present system of society. He killed no one, only wounded some persons; yet bourgeois justice sentenced him to death. And not satisfied with the condemnation of the guilty man, they began to pursue the Anarchists, and arrest not only those who had known Vaillant, but even those who had merely been present at any Anarchist lecture.
"The government did not think of their wives and children. It did not consider that the men kept in prison were not the only ones who suffered, and that their little ones cried for bread. Bourgeois justice did not trouble itself about these innocent ones, who do not yet know what society is. It is no fault of theirs that their fathers are in prison; they only want to eat.
"The government went on searching private houses, opening private letters, forbidding lectures and meetings, and practicing the most infamous oppressions against us. Even now, hundreds of Anarchists are arrested for having written an article in a newspaper, or for having expressed an opinion in public.
"Gentlemen of the Jury, you are representatives of bourgeois society. If you want my head, take it; but do not believe that in so doing you will stop the Anarchist propaganda. Take care, for men reap what they have sown."
During a religious procession in 1896, at Barcelona, a bomb was thrown. Immediately three hundred men and women were arrested. Some were Anarchists, but the majority were trade-unionists and Socialists. They were thrown into that terrible bastille Montjuich, and subjected to most horrible tortures. After a number had been killed, or had gone insane, their cases were taken up by the liberal press of Europe, resulting in the release of a few survivors.
The man primarily responsible for this revival of the Inquisition was Canovas del Castillo, Prime Minister of Spain. It was he who ordered the torturing of the victims, their flesh burned, their bones crushed, their tongues cut out. Practiced in the art of brutality during his r gime in Cuba, Canovas remained absolutely deaf to the appeals and protests of the awakened civilized conscience.
In 1897 Canovas del Castillo was shot to death by a young Italian, Angiolillo. The latter was an editor in his native land, and his bold utterances soon attracted the attention of the authorities. Persecution began, and Angiolillo fled from Italy to Spain, thence to France and Belgium, finally settling in England. While there he found employment as a compositor, and immediately became the friend of all his colleagues. One of the latter thus described Angiolillo: "His appearance suggested the journalist rather than the disciple of Guttenberg. His delicate hands, moreover, betrayed the fact that he had not grown up at the 'case.' With his handsome frank face, his soft dark hair, his alert expression, he looked the very type of the vivacious Southerner. Angiolillo spoke Italian, Spanish, and French, but no English; the little French I knew was not sufficient to carry on a prolonged conversation. However, Angiolillo soon began to acquire the English idiom; he learned rapidly, playfully, and it was not long until he became very popular with his fellow compositors. His distinguished and yet modest manner, and his consideration towards his colleagues, won him the hearts of all the boys."
Angiolillo soon became familiar with the detailed accounts in the press. He read of the great wave of human sympathy with the helpless victims at Montjuich. On Trafalgar Square he saw with his own eyes the results of those atrocities, when the few Spaniards, who escaped Castillo's clutches, came to seek asylum in England. There, at the great meeting, these men opened their shirts and showed the horrible scars of burned flesh. Angiolillo saw, and the effect surpassed a thousand theories; the impetus was beyond words, beyond arguments, beyond himself even.
Señor Antonio Canovas del Castillo, Prime Minister of Spain, sojourned at Santa Agueda. As usual in such cases, all strangers were kept away from his exalted presence. One exception was made, however, in the case of a distinguished looking, elegantly dressed Italian--the representative, it was understood, of an important journal. The distinguished gentleman was--Angiolillo.
Señor Canovas, about to leave his house, stepped on the veranda. Suddenly Angiolillo confronted him. A shot rang out, and Canovas was a corpse.
The wife of the Prime Minister rushed upon the scene. "Murderer! Murderer!" she cried, pointing at Angiolillo. The latter bowed. "Pardon, Madame," he said, "I respect you as a lady, but I regret that you were the wife of that man."
Calmly Angiolillo faced death. Death in its most terrible form--for the man whose soul was as a child's.
He was garroted. His body lay, sun-kissed, till the day hid in twilight. And the people came, and pointing the finger of terror and fear, they said: "There--the criminal--the cruel murderer."
How stupid, how cruel is ignorance! It misunderstands always, condemns always.
A remarkable parallel to the case of Angiolillo is to be found in the act of Gaetano Bresci, whose Attentat upon King Umberto made an American city famous.
Bresci came to this country, this land of opportunity, where one has but to try to meet with golden success. Yes, he too would try to succeed. He would work hard and faithfully. Work had no terrors for him, if it would only help him to independence, manhood, self-respect.
Thus full of hope and enthusiasm he settled in Paterson, New Jersey, and there found a lucrative job at six dollars per week in one of the weaving mills of the town. Six whole dollars per week was, no doubt, a fortune for Italy, but not enough to breathe on in the new country. He loved his little home. He was a good husband and devoted father to his bambina Bianca, whom he adored. He worked and worked for a number of years. He actually managed to save one hundred dollars out of his six dollars per week.
Bresci had an ideal. Foolish, I know, for a workingman to have an ideal,--the Anarchist paper published in Paterson, La Questione Sociale.
Every week, though tired from work, he would help to set up the paper. Until later hours he would assist, and when the little pioneer had exhausted all resources and his comrades were in despair, Bresci brought cheer and hope, one hundred dollars, the entire savings of years. That would keep the paper afloat.
In his native land people were starving. The crops had been poor, and the peasants saw themselves face to face with famine. They appealed to their good King Umberto; he would help. And he did. The wives of the peasants who had gone to the palace of the King, held up in mute silence their emaciated infants. Surely that would move him. And then the soldiers fired and killed those poor fools.
Bresci, at work in the weaving mill at Paterson, read of the horrible massacre. His mental eye beheld the defenceless women and innocent infants of his native land, slaughtered right before the good King. His soul recoiled in horror. At night he heard the groans of the wounded. Some may have been his comrades, his own flesh. Why, why these foul murders?
The little meeting of the Italian Anarchist group in Paterson ended almost in a fight. Bresci had demanded his hundred dollars. His comrades begged, implored him to give them a respite. The paper would go down if they were to return him his loan. But Bresci insisted on its return.
How cruel and stupid is ignorance. Bresci got the money, but lost the good will, the confidence of his comrades. They would have nothing more to do with one whose greed was greater than his ideals.
On the twenty-ninth of July, 1900, King Umberto was shot at Monzo. The young Italian weaver of Paterson, Gaetano Bresci, had taken the life of the good King.
Paterson was placed under police surveillance, everyone known as an Anarchist hounded and persecuted, and the act of Bresci ascribed to the teachings of Anarchism. As if the teachings of Anarchism in its extremest form could equal the force of those slain women and infants, who had pilgrimed to the King for aid. As if any spoken word, ever so eloquent, could burn into a human soul with such white heat as the lifeblood trickling drop by drop from those dying forms. The ordinary man is rarely moved either by word or deed; and those whose social kinship is the greatest living force need no appeal to respond--even as does steel to the magnet--to the wrongs and horrors of society.
If a social theory is a strong factor inducing acts of political violence, how are we to account for the recent violent outbreaks in India, where Anarchism has hardly been born. More than any other old philosophy, Hindu teachings have exalted passive resistance, the drifting of life, the Nirvana, as the highest spiritual ideal. Yet the social unrest in India is daily growing, and has only recently resulted in an act of political violence, the killing of Sir Curzon Wyllie by the Hindu Madar Sol Dhingra.
If such a phenomenon can occur in a country socially and individually permeated for centuries with the spirit of passivity, can one question the tremendous, revolutionizing effect on human character exerted by great social iniquities? Can one doubt the logic, the justice of these words:
"Repression, tyranny, and indiscriminate punishment of innocent men have been the watchwords of the government of the alien domination in India ever since we began the commercial boycott of English goods. The tiger qualities of the British are much in evidence now in India. They think that by the strength of the sword they will keep down India! It is this arrogance that has brought about the bomb, and the more they tyrannize over a helpless and unarmed people, the more terrorism will grow. We may deprecate terrorism as outlandish and foreign to our culture, but it is inevitable as long as this tyranny continues, for it is not the terrorists that are to be blamed, but the tyrants who are responsible for it. It is the only resource for a helpless and unarmed people when brought to the verge of despair. It is never criminal on their part. The crime lies with the tyrant." 4
Even conservative scientists are beginning to realize that heredity is not the sole factor moulding human character. Climate, food, occupation; nay, color, light, and sound must be considered in the study of human psychology.
If that be true, how much more correct is the contention that great social abuses will and must influence different minds and temperaments in a different way. And how utterly fallacious the stereotyped notion that the teachings of Anarchism, or certain exponents of these teachings, are responsible for the acts of political violence.
Anarchism, more than any other social theory, values human life above things. All Anarchists agree with Tolstoy in this fundamental truth: if the production of any commodity necessitates the sacrifice of human life, society should do without that commodity, but it can not do without that life. That, however, nowise indicates that Anarchism teaches submission. How can it, when it knows that all suffering, all misery, all ills, result from the evil of submission?
Has not some American ancestor said, many years ago, that resistance to tyranny is obedience to God? And he was not an Anarchist even. It would say that resistance to tyranny is man's highest ideal. So long as tyranny exists, in whatever form, man's deepest aspiration must resist it as inevitably as man must breathe.
Compared with the wholesale violence of capital and government, political acts of violence are but a drop in the ocean. That so few resist is the strongest proof how terrible must be the conflict between their souls and unbearable social iniquities.
High strung, like a violin string, they weep and moan for life, so relentless, so cruel, so terribly inhuman. In a desperate moment the string breaks. Untuned ears hear nothing but discord. But those who feel the agonized cry understand its harmony; they hear in it the fulfillment of the most compelling moment of human nature.
Such is the psychology of political violence.
In terms of ideas, this article commits several grave errors.
1. It doesn't say anything new.
2. Some of it is actually false.
3. It doesn't do the progressive cause any good.
Furthermore, if he actually did kill a police officer (as it seems he did) to make a point about corporate irresponsibility, he's a common murderer who deserves to rot in prison for the rest of his days. The common ordinary cop is not (necessarily) the enemy. They are workers involved with a difficult task of dealing with criminal assholes. Some do take their "job" a little more seriously than they should, and commit atrocious acts of violence and corruption that a fair and free society should not tolerate.
At the same time, if some crackhead clocks me with a bat for $27, a ballpoint pen, and a box of cough drops, the constabulary should be notified with a description so they can apprehend the violent moron and give him some time to think about his violent acts of ignorance. If some testosterone poisoned shithead with anger management problems strangles his wife for being late with dinner, the cops should be informed so they can track his stupid ass down for a permanent stay in the local pen.
The police, as much as I find them distasteful as a group, are not the enemy. Also, if Andy was so intent on making a statement, he should have iced some slathering plutocrat, or some other member of the ruling kleptocracy, not some underpaid civil servant.
Now as to my points:
1. It doesn't say anything new.
This is obvious. It doesn't. We have been apprised of these facts (that the government is corrupt and owned by corporations) for quite some time now. Heck - Nader ran for president and got several percent of the vote on JUST THAT VERY POINT. Andy did not need to go hurt anyone to state the obvious.
2. Some of it is demonstrably false.
"Hermann Goering, Hitler’s master of propaganda, explained the process like this- "
Goering was the head of the Luftwaffe, not propaganda. He had a significant hand in NAZI affairs, but "Hitler's Master of Propaganda" was Goebbels.
Also, invoking the NAZIs is not a good way to bolster one's argument, as it tends to invoke Godwin's Law. Look it up. The Goering thing noted above is just one of several factual errors. If you're going to write a diatribe, get your facts straight.
3. Terrorist acts like this are acts of ignorance and do NOTHING to further progressive aims of peace, truth, freedom, and justice. Such acts come from a loathsome and elitist perspective which does nothing to further the cause. Actual change comes from organising people to act in a group out of shared self interest as a group. When people get together to act in the common cause, *then change happens*. Terroristic idiots shooting cops doesn't accomplish much of anything except shatter families and clutter the prison system with misguided murderers. When the anarchist Leon Czolgosz, shot McKinley, did that stop American imperialism? Hell No. Did the Unabomber stop the march of technology? Hell No. Did thousands of people marching on Birmingham change voting rights laws? Hell YES! Did millions of people marching in parades and protests in the USA help stop the Viet Nam war? Hell YES! Did millions of men and women marching on Washington help the ERA pass congress? Yup. Sure did. Even though the ERA failed in the states, feminism did not go away, and is still a powerful force for progressive change in this, and many other, countries.
THAT'S HOW THINGS CHANGE. People with common cause and shared interests getting together to fight evil - that's how you change things. Shooting Cops is just plain stupid. Cops just do as they're told. If they're told to go arrest corporate criminals, I'm sure they would do it with as much gusto and amusement as they would in apprehending the likes of Andy CopKiller. Converting the police to your side means being THEIR BOSS. Someone has to sign their pay cheques. ELECT PROGRESSIVE PEOPLE to your city or town council. Inform and organise your neighbours. Yes- the couple upstairs who watch TV all day. The family with the screaming kids across the hall. The guy in the suburban ranch next door who sells propane - get HIM on your side. If your message is clearly and calmly brought across, and you can show how the truth of your position will benefit them, you will shine and convince.
But shooting cops? Dumb Idea #1. With a bullet.
Well property of course, crumbs you people didn't think it was people. People replace themselves very efficiently, something to do with biology. Property on the other hand is expensive....
What did you think was meant when people said Possession is 9/10 of the law...
Consider the fact that in the UK you get 25 years for armed bank robbery and only 'Life' (out in 10 years) for murder and even less for rape...
Those who have had no share in the good fortunes of the mighty often have a share in their misfortunes. Bertold Brecht The Caucasian Chalk Circle 1949
Yeah, if we make them work for a living then they'd all want out!
Rot in hell McRae!!!
A cop in Olympia!
I questioned why the SF-IMC staff did not promote this story with obvious local connections to a front-page feautre. The rude replies I recieved were genuinely obstinate and unhelpful.
See my questions and nessie's callous replies on this thread: http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/11/1543744_comment.php#1546069
Now the story about how "some guy got shot, That's not news" doesn't appear anywhere on the front page--not even the far-right side column. Does this seem strange to you?
Then consider that the Portland IMC and IMC global sites are prominently featuring this story prominently in center column on their respective home pages. (Portland actually has two, count-em two, center column features regarding the story.)
For SF-IMC to pretend this story isn't important and doesn't have an obvious local connection just makes this site look like they have something to hide. SF-IMC should do the right thing and feature this important local story the same way Portland IMC and IMC global has.
You seem angry, Dodie, maybe you'd like to kill this man, If so you must now understand why people who see their families killed by US policies want to kill US citizens.
Next bear in mind that you are not paying for their rugs. The richest people in this country, despite their write offs and legal maneuvering, still pay quite a bit larger sum then the rest of us per person and a huge percentage overall. Percentage based tax cuts are adversial to leftists, because it actually means someone might keep more of their own money then you would like. A leftist only thinks taxation is wrong when its from them. The same people you hate are the ones that allow your family to pay for their home.
Next, you should remember that your jealousy at people holding more wealth then you is pathetic. They don't make their money through cheating and stealing, and I know many people who've accrued a pretty sum of money starting with little to nothing. They may not be Bill Gates, but they hold their own farely well, through hard work and ingenuity. You'd do well to try and emulate that, rather then bitching at everyone making more then you as if they screwed you.
Why don't you stop your whining, get a job, and if you want to change the way things work instead of being a self righteous jackass you can actually go out and make things better by running for office. You'll learn two things from running for office. A) Half of your ideas will be shot down with cold hard fact. B) You'll realize that the average citizen doesn't agree with you for very good reasons.
Stop the trolling.
"..out on the streets protecting us from trash like you!"
"Protecting you? That's a laugh.....
THE POLICE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO PROTECT ANY INDIVIDUAL PERSON FROM HARM
This section serves to illuminate the existence of bad Police policy, anti-rights legislation, a domestic threat, and poor judicial remedy. The following true story is unacceptable, intolerable, and must be prevented from re-occurring ...
"Ruth Brunell called the police on 20 different occasions to beg for protection from her husband. He was arrested only one time. One evening Mr. Brunell telephoned his wife and told her he was coming over to kill her. When she called the police, they refused her request that they come to protect her. They told her to call back when he got there. Mr. Brunell stabbed his wife to death before she could call the police to tell them he was there. The court held that the San Jose police were not liable for ignoring Mrs. Brunell's pleas for help. Hartzler v. City of San Jose, (1975) 46 Cal.App. 3d 6.
But doesn't just about every Law Enforcement Agency's "Mission Statement" include the words "... to serve and protect ...." ? So then protect what? Obviously it isn't the people . . . ")
I have not personally verified Hartzler v. City of San Jose, (1975) before writing this, but based on training I have received I believe this to be correct. It is true that the police can't be held liable for other people's actions. The police can only be held liable for individuals in their custody or in situations in which they have placed an individual in greater danger than they were already in through some act of negligence. So why is this a bad thing? Would you rather live in a true "police state" where the police had so much monitoring and control over individuals that they would take on the liability of of truely being responsible for others actions? That is a fictional world and no one wants to live like that. We live in a free democratic society. The police are not and can not be personal body guards. For one thing, society does not want to pay for that level of service. Individuals are responsible for their own actions and their own personal protection. That does not mean that law enforcement agencies do not try to live up to their mission statements to "serve and protect". Police have a responsibility to protect "society" and not any one "individual". Police protect the society they work for every day by taking dangerous criminals off the streets, gathering terrorist intelligence, dispursing riots, preventing crime, enforcing traffic laws, educating the public, and responding to crimes in progress where they DO risk their lives protecting individuals from dangerous criminals. The fact that "THE POLICE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO PROTECT ANY INDIVIDUAL PERSON FROM HARM" really only means that they can not be held civilly or criminally liable for another individual's criminal actions. That criminal is the liable party. I would like to point out that the police's response to domestic violence situations has improved greatly since this case in 1975. Domestic violence is now a felony in most states as opposed to mostly misdemeanor crimes back then. The police can also now request for Emergency Protective Orders. In the past their was a tendency by some police to view domestic situations as private matters and thus they tended to not get involved as much or make as many arrests. This attitude by police as well as the laws have changed since then giving the police more tools to deal with domestic violence.
I am a police officer and proud of it. My career allows me to do more good for society than many people ever do. My thoughts go out to Officer Mobilio and his family. Justice will be served but he can never be replaced.
2. The poblem is not our government or bussiness, but a few individuals that take advantage of the system or take matters into their own hands. If you feel that bussiness has to large of a grip on our governments the thing of this: The one thing big bussiness can not buy, is our individual vote. Be informed and make smart dicissions. This is the greatest threat to special interest groups.
2. The problem is not our government or business, but a few individuals that take advantage of the system to further their wealth or the individuals take matters into their own hands. If you feel that business has to large of a grip on our government, Please READ: The one thing big business cannot buy, is our individual vote. Be informed and make smart decisions. This is the greatest threat to special interest groups.
I agree with all of your ideas here, but killing a cop? That's a good way to make people consider your ideas extremist and ignore them, then return to their sellout lives.
The big picture here is that we are living in a world of attrocity. US history is written in blood, and continues to be EVERYDAY. Those who have posted so far seem to be focusing on a small aspect of the situation. With varying degrees of intelligence most seem to be decrying the death of the good police officer. I agree, murder is wrong. I think what Andy is trying to get across in his letter though, (and it appears as though the murder is his way of getting his letter "out") is to draw attention to various types of murder and wrong doings that go on everyday in our society that are continually looked over because they make up the "fabric" of our society. I think what Andy is most trying to point out is the way that corporations in our society are allowed to "murder," and face no responsability for their actions. Corporations exist to obtain profit, not to care for people, not to provide security. They have the privilege of setting the rules, because they can afford to buy influence in our government. If you do the research youll find that a lot of high ups in Bush's cabinet are former lobbyists for corporations. Still receieving $$ from them no doubt. Anyhow, what I'm trying to say is that Andy sees soemthing wrong with how our society is working. He is right. He was desperate to make change, and to expose people to the truth that he has discovered. I do not agree with what he did. Don't ignore his message because of the awful decision he made to express it.
Someone who took a much better path in getting the word out about the REALITY of corporate control is
Thom Hartmann. His book UNEQUAL PROTECTION is incredible, and outlines the way in which we can begin to take back power from the corporations that are controlling our food, our news, our environment, our water, our government, OUR LIVES. Please read it and see the big picture.
We are now entered a time of needed change. What is life worth if we are to live in fear of each other? We must realize who has brought us to this point, and realize the necessary steps to begin living in a better world now. I want my children to live in a better world.
We give up too much control to those whose only interest lies in making $$, and consolidating power.
Im taking my life back, how about you?
THE BIG PICTURE IS DAVE WAS A CHILD MOLESTOR WHO HAND CUFFED LITTLE CHILDREN AND LIKED TO WATCH THEM SQUIRM
The good work i meant of Andy was the piece he had put out here on the site, not killing a cop.
He knows, but as many of you have said, this is a bad blow for those who don't agree with how the world is going. This is going to leave it open for the governments to do whatever they want in the fight against internal dissent.
I mean, after all, if you don't like the way of today's world there must be something wrong with you, right?
It couldn't possibly be that the world has really turned into a bad place, could it?
And we all know why. That's why we are looking at web sites like this.
Take care everyone reading this, finding this story out has been a bad day for me.
He uses the Bible to jusitfy the death of a person. A person guilty of murder.
Violence and death have no belonging in our lifes.
This is the problem with religion, this is why I believe religion to be bad.
We say in one hand love thy neighbor, in the other we say an eye for an eye. What crock !!
death sentences are nothing more then justifying murder and have little to do with true punishment.
Anger is nothing more then a disease that takes victims and makes then react foolishly.
Obviously a close minded twit of some sort. You will find that Andy was very inteliigent in his writing, what happened it very common, people become frustrated and then dwell on events and flip to extremes. What triggers this remains a mystery, however we know it to be a chemical imbalance, cause unknown.
Useless fucking bastard.
Retard.
Many people seek to make a better life of America and make sure that the family of the future have somthing better then now.
Capitalism has a whole, is a failure, because we changed the way it was intended.
The world and America can be a better place, and having the attitude agree with something or leave, makes one wonder who is the programmed one here? maybe you Glopus?
spoon fed like so many, what a shame and a waste of space - between your ears. spoon Fed is a sad way to go through life, wouldn't you agree?
Many people seek to make a better life of America and make sure that the family of the future have somthing better then now.
Capitalism has a whole, is a failure, because we changed the way it was intended.
The world and America can be a better place, and having the attitude agree with something or leave, makes one wonder who is the programmed one here? maybe you Glopus?
spoon fed like so many, what a shame and a waste of space - between your ears. spoon Fed is a sad way to go through life, wouldn't you agree?
I see you are also spoon fed !
To believe that people have control in others is foolish.
Can terrorism be stopped? of course not, it will always exists, because terrorism is usually the final utterence of voices unheard.
To simply attack people inside other countries and call this defeating terrorism is a false sense of security, because by destroying others, you are also creating future enemies.
Similar to putting metal detectors in school, is this solving the problem? or is this just covering up a bigger problem as a whole?
I see you are also spoon fed !
To believe that people have control in others is foolish.
Can terrorism be stopped? of course not, it will always exists, because terrorism is usually the final utterence of voices unheard.
To simply attack people inside other countries and call this defeating terrorism is a false sense of security, because by destroying others, you are also creating future enemies.
Similar to putting metal detectors in school, is this solving the problem? or is this just covering up a bigger problem as a whole?
I see you are also spoon fed !
To believe that people have control in others is foolish.
Can terrorism be stopped? of course not, it will always exists, because terrorism is usually the final utterence of voices unheard.
To simply attack people inside other countries and call this defeating terrorism is a false sense of security, because by destroying others, you are also creating future enemies.
Similar to putting metal detectors in school, is this solving the problem? or is this just covering up a bigger problem as a whole?
I see you are also spoon fed !
To believe that people have control in others is foolish.
Can terrorism be stopped? of course not, it will always exists, because terrorism is usually the final utterence of voices unheard.
To simply attack people inside other countries and call this defeating terrorism is a false sense of security, because by destroying others, you are also creating future enemies.
Similar to putting metal detectors in school, is this solving the problem? or is this just covering up a bigger problem as a whole?
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A State government who - Is not obeying the law set by the State, and over turning initiatives for no real reason, because they do not like them.
A sorry state of affairs to say the least. Intiative 776 - Ignored.
I-51 - ignored by three counties and adding gas tax.
I-53 being taken to court
Monarail - King County trying to have it thrown out.
It is no wonder, so many people are dismayed and do crazy unthinkable things.
At some point - when, I do not know, the police must ask itself, are they protecting the people, or are they protecting the dictatorship that is now ruling, only americans are to stupid to see it.
but the future is clear, Capitalism is taking its hold, has seen in the recession and america will no longer be able to ignore the warning signs, Jobs are leaving and not being replaced so that few within the States can become more wealthy.
This gives those with money, political power and that power needs to laws that only protects them and destroys society as a whole. Eventually this will lead to a rebellion, in which the police will have to decide, where do they stand?
Once chosen the consequences will take hold, people will unite and a new government will be put into place to replace the government that was considered greedy.
I ask you this - What side will you be on?
violence is a shame, and it is something that should be avoided, but when there are no alternatives, and people are dying at the hands of their own government, because it is controlled by the wealthy, and it either time to fight or die, which path will you follow, those of communist russia police, or china - The future of the United States, or those of the people.
Make no mistake, this future awaits, unless changes are made. If anything Andy is an example of things to come, but not yet needed.
"we need the wealthy",
yeah right,
"no" Dc, the weealthy needs us, without the people, they would not be wealthy.
I tell you what - I am in a good mood today - There is some books - written by a man named David Korten - Go get them and read them. Get an education inside someone who taught at Harvard.
voting does not represent freedom.
To be honest - until you get rid of corporate monies and parties, there is not a lot a person can do.
If you think running will do it, you would only be kidding yourself, you see how the system is set up rob, they will make it so you lose and can't get in the door.
Taking money from companies should be a conflict of interest.
can you say the following Bubba:
Repeat 3 times faster and faster:
I am so
far king
we todd it !
"It is not easy. In California we average one cop for every 2000 people.
About 60% of those cops are on patrol, where we do most of the harassing.
One-fifth of that 60% are on duty at any moment and available for harassing
people. So, one cop is responsible for harassing about 10,000 residents. When
you toss in the commercial, business, and tourist locations that attract
people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is
responsible for harassing 20,000 or more people a day. A ten-hour shift runs
36,000 seconds. This gives a cop one second to harass a person, and
three-fourths of a second to eat a donut AND then find a new person to
harass. This is not an easy task. Most cops are not up to it day in and day
out. It is just too tiring. What we do is utilize some tools to help us
narrow down those, which we harass. They are as follows:
PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus
on a person for special harassment. "My neighbor is beating his wife" is a
code phrase we use. Then we come out and give special harassment. Another
popular one on a weeknight is, "The kids next door are having a party."
CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like
to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars blasting music, cars with expired
registration stickers and the like. It is lots of fun when you pick them out
of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light. Sometimes you
get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the
car, are drunk, or have a warrant.
RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police
officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a beagle
on the scent of a bunny. When you catch them you can harass them for hours.
CODES: When you can think of nothing else to do, there are books that give
ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called "Codes"; Penal, Vehicle,
Health and Safety, Business and Professions... They all spell out all sorts
of things for which you can really mess with people. After you read the code,
you can just drive around for a while until you find someone violating one of
these listed offenses and harass them. Just last week I saw a guy smash a car
window. Well, the code says that is not allowed. That meant I got permission
to harass this guy.
It is a pretty cool system that we have set up, and it works pretty well.
I seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away
with it. Why? Because the good citizens who pay the tab like that we keep the
streets safe for them.
Next time you are in my town, give me a single finger wave. That is a
signal that you wish for me to take a little closer look at you, and maybe
I'll find a reason to harass YOU.
Looking forward to meeting you."
But I Am An Anarchist...And iAgree wiht every word you say... killing the cop... You Had Your Reasons i see... maybe something else would have grabbed attention also... but anyways...
I hate the way the world is... And i know i dont want war becuase i in no way want to help the american government the way it is but i do get angry and violent towards..thiss world and it' lack or action we need to something but i ass the youth of america am told that i just want to revolt adn it will pass.....well fuck you.....
yes...i want a culture revolution...I just hate not having any say in how my very own life i run.....i hate control... schools are now prisons... where they screw with your mind and brainwash you... The very pledge that i refuse to say every day has oppression bleeding from it...
i get yelled at... called a..terrorist... and i got 1 day In school suspension insteadof 5 days out... because i wrote on my desk i wrote things like:NoOneIsFreeWhileOthersAreOpressed...... YouDon'tHaveToBeARascistToBeANaziFuck,YourMindlessssNationalismGivesYouCruedentials Enough.........(theFirstAmendment)DOES NOT EXIST..................FuckBush.....America:LandofTheEnslaved... HomeOfTheBrainwashed.....i drew:TheNaziSymbolCrossedOut......GodBlessTheFascists...
That general kind of thing adn they wouldn't let me waah it because the police are getting involved and that get me a recommendation for expulsion.....WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!????I Thought there was freedom of speech... I guess there really is no 1st amendment... i was right after all... though i wish i weren't
I Have A Certain hate-with-a-passion... for the american public because of their mindlesssness and unwillingness to listen to anyone but those who speak or the GREAT AMERICA INVINCIBLE!!!!
This brings about many emotions that i dont know what to do with so i get pissed off and i'm in the minority so i can't do anything... I dont hate americans.....i'm not rascist... i just hate the gov't... capitalists... fascists(Bush).....oppressors.....dictators.....in this Social Democracy.....poor excuse..for one might i add
The brainwashed need to be helped but how?we need to unite stand together make a change i know all this yes......but.....HOW?.....i dont know but we need to do it unite some sort of "party" ifwe get together they can't stop us they NEED us to get the money by themselves wihtout us they are alone... they are nothing...we should revolt we need a revolution not an apthetic view
america is destroying it's youth we are getting restlesss......In an oppressed nation where they give us lies and feed us a false sense of freedom.....rebellion... comes like FIRE.....
The way the youth is raised..is how they live when they are adults (the gov't wont forget that thats why we have school to be a ssocial screw)
america got what was coming on september 11th...not to say the innocent civilians deserved to die..but we only cared about terrorism when we got it back.....if the hoe wa on the other foot we would have bombed them too..except with more force destroying them... wiht no trace left...no one left to tell...or to rebell......
i leave you with this... while anarchy could work and is the only way i ssee for the people to unite and to run their own country without oppression and to many imposing rules...we need to revolt and revolt now or we too..will be brainwashed.........or washed out by some capitalist pig
All this talk of revenge, angry mobs, letting "Bubba and the good ole boys" take care of him? You're all as bad as any terrorist. Before any conviction has taken place, he has already received threats of shooting, stabbing, electrocution, lethal injection, and a few others that don't bear thinking about.
If you carried these threats out, that would be murder, just as if you went out and, say, shot a cop at a gasstation. Jack Ruby, who shot Lee Harvey Oswald, was arrested for murder.
Nothing to me is as sickening as the average American's attitude when something like this happens: ill-educated, mob response with no thought or reason present. If Hitler had grown up and got started in California, he would have had a field day.
If this Andy guy shot a cop, he deserves to receive the punishment due for murder under California State Law. If he didn't he has just revealed how many insane and small-minded people there are living in the CA area.
I live in Red Bluff McCrae killed a 31 year old husband and father of a 14 month old and his wife is expecting. David Mobilio was a DARE officer and a good person. This Jackass know's nothing and his view's are wrong and to all the fuckers who think what he did was right and just i hope u get a rude wake up call in jail. I hope u see your friend McCrae being fryed in the electric chair or better yet bring him to Red Bluff so the people can get at him.
i agree i see them run red lights get through traaffic with their sirens on then turn them off stop (when they actually stop)at a red light they are ON the pedestrian cross walk.....they beat an old man...a bystander at a peace rally..almost to death for no readon he got nothing in return for his damage another man squirt an officer with a water pistol and got beat up he got a sum of money for it but it shouldn't eve have happened and the police never beleive a word you tell them fuckin'pigs...i wont shoot them but i dont care if they are shot or killed
while all cop may not be like that i have never met one who isn't so fuck you cops...pigs... an untidy group of little fascists if you ask me
FUCK.....THEM
DAMN......PIGS
FUCK......POLICE.....BRUTALITY
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GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY TO ME NOW YOU IGNORANT SHEEP!
GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY TO ME NOW YOU IGNORANT SHEEP!
GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY TO ME NOW YOU IGNORANT SHEEP!
GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY TO ME NOW YOU IGNORANT SHEEP!
To lump all police together is poor judgement on your part. There are many people out there that are very good police officers and great and wonderful people.
Your anger needs to be calmed by the peace and logic.
Your no more right then those that call for the death of a person who killed someone. One murder does not justify another, just because a court says it justifies, really does not mean it really does.
Your opinions are biased and unfair for, and speak only with closed eyes.
You one sick puppy, that is animal cruelty, but if that is the best you can do for a date, I guess that is all you can do..
I think it is a little sick though, maybe Bush will join you. He seems the sick puppy type !
I don't think that his actions herald a Narodnik uprising but when a political system fails to give even an illusion of control to its subjects then political assassination will become more common.
In my oppinion helping the striking fire fighters (Britain) who are in a battle for a decent wage without 'efficiency' savings that will compromise safty is more use than Andy's actions. The anti union government tries to force soldiers to engage in civil war while also asking them to fight a war for oil on behalf of America's gas guzzling industrialists.
I'm certain that for the people involved it is a huge event, touching everyone they know in many ways. But for most of the world it does not warrant mention, let alone comment. No "movements" will be derailed. Or sped along their way.
Wednesday, Nov. 27, 2002
Governor Davis says he will work with New Hampshire authorities to extradite 23-year-old Andrew McCrae to stand trial for allegedly murdering Red Bluff police officer David Mobilio. McCrae was arrested yesterday at a Concord, New Hampshire hotel as Red Bluff held a memorial service for Mobilio.
Accused Cop Killer Does Not Enter Plea
Wednesday, Nov. 27, 2002
A 23-year-old man suspected of killing a Red Bluff police officer entered no plea at a court appearance in New Hamshire.
Andrew Hampton McCrae was ordered held without bail pending a preliminary hearing December 26th. McCrae was arrested Tuesday morning at a hotel in New Hampshire.
He told a newspaper reporter shortly before his surrender that he killed police officer David Mobilio last week to draw attention to police brutality.
A man identifying himself as McCrae also confessed in two letters posted on the Internet.
About five-thousand people attended Mobilio´s memorial service Tuesday in Red Bluff. He´s the first Red Bluff officer ever killed in the line of duty.
Wednesday, Nov. 27, 2002
Governor Davis says he will work with New Hampshire authorities to extradite 23-year-old Andrew McCrae to stand trial for allegedly murdering Red Bluff police officer David Mobilio. McCrae was arrested yesterday at a Concord, New Hampshire hotel as Red Bluff held a memorial service for Mobilio.
Accused Cop Killer Does Not Enter Plea
Wednesday, Nov. 27, 2002
A 23-year-old man suspected of killing a Red Bluff police officer entered no plea at a court appearance in New Hamshire.
Andrew Hampton McCrae was ordered held without bail pending a preliminary hearing December 26th. McCrae was arrested Tuesday morning at a hotel in New Hampshire.
He told a newspaper reporter shortly before his surrender that he killed police officer David Mobilio last week to draw attention to police brutality.
A man identifying himself as McCrae also confessed in two letters posted on the Internet.
About five-thousand people attended Mobilio´s memorial service Tuesday in Red Bluff. He´s the first Red Bluff officer ever killed in the line of duty.
http://www.theolympian.com/home/news/20021127/frontpage/15892.shtml
The difference between "us" and "Andy followers" is that you think you can tread on "us" and force us into your thinking. Who is right and who is wrong?
One thing I know is that Officer Dave did nothing wrong. He was shot in the back of the head by a cowardly **cked up pissant who should not be allowed to take another breath. Oh yeah, he isnt guilty yet right? Andy is guilty of doing the same thing he condemns. He forced his opinion and thinking on someone who knew nothing of his cause. If Officer Dave would most likely have protected Andy's right to protest if Andy would of done things legally. Instead Andy shot and killed a man, father, son, friend, co-worker. Guess what Andy, your name will be forgotten but Officer Andy's will be rememberd.
November 27, 2002
CONCORD, N.H.- The mother of a fugitive suspected of killing a California police officer in a crusade against police brutality disavowed his alleged actions Wednesday.
"We love our son but we absolutely denounce his alleged actions," she said in a brief telephone interview from Ohio, her voice breaking. "Our hearts are breaking for the family and friends of Officer Mobilio."
Karen Mickel of Springfield, Ohio, said her son Andrew Mickel had apparently been using the name Andrew McCrae.
Andrew McCrae, 23, was arrested in Concord on Tuesday and charged with killing officer David Mobilio in Red Bluff, Calif., on Nov. 19.
McCrae surrendered after negotiating with FBI agents for several hours at the Concord hotel where he had been staying.
In Ohio, McCrae's father, Stan Mickel, said news reports that his son was a drifter were not true. He said his son was a student at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Wash., and had attended Springfield North High School. Mickel said his son visited the family in March and there was no indication that anything was wrong....
However, the King County Jail said an Andrew Hampton Mickel of Olympia was booked April 20 for obstructing a public official. Mickel was released by the court April 21.
The Seattle Police Department was the arresting agency.
At Evergreen, college spokeswoman Kate Lykins Brown declined to confirm McCrae was a student, citing federal student privacy laws.
"Under the Family Education Rights and Privacy Act, I can't confirm or deny that he was a student here," she said. "The law says that if a student indicates that he or she wants that information to be confidential, then we're precluded from disclosing it."
Asked if Andrew Mickel made that request, Lykins Brown responded, "You can draw your own conclusions."
Campus police referred questions about McCrae to Brown.
Few students were on campus Tuesday, with many gone for the Thanksgiving break.
Students contacted by an Olympian reporter Tuesday said they didn't know Andrew McCrae or Andrew Mickel.
"Mister Bush,
"The Presidential election process in our country has been taken away from the American people. Through the combined existence of the electoral college and the campaign funding process, it is guaranteed that any candidate actually willing to care for the good of the people will never get elected. Beyond this, even within the confines of this system, you were never actually elected with a popular vote from the American people.
"Please set in place a democratic, beneficial election system and step down from the Presidency. Al Gore, who was popularly elected through this flawed system, shall serve as the temporary President until a True Representative of the People is determined."
REALITY CHECK
Murdering someone because you don't like the electoral college and its protections is psycho.
America is not a "democracy"; it is a Constitutional Republic. The electoral college was put in place as a protection against having concentrated population centers filled with scumbaggy murdering losers like you take over the nation and install your anti-American bullshit.
Personally, I'd like one hour alone with you in your cell, boy -- you would BEG for death. I hope your new cellmate is muscular and makes you squeal like a prison bitch until the very day they fry your Marxist ass.
They ought to put this piece of shit's execution on pay-per-view -- we could raise millions of dollars for the Mobilio family and initiate a fund to cover the families of other officers who are senselessly killed by equally vile subhuman trash.
Hey Andy: FUCK YOU. DICKHEAD!!!!!!! YOU ARE A SHINING EXAMPLE OF WHY REAL LIBERTY ACTIVISTS AVOID YOUR PATHETIC "PHILOSOPHIES" WITH VEHEMENCE.
Such rancourous crowing ill-befits those who wish to preserve life, and I regret to note the timeworn contradiction in legally killing murderers.
Mercifully there are some people posting on this site who have considered how it would be if they had to live according to their words.
Oh, and abolish the IRS.
Some ask where we would be without police... I believe innocent people would not be killed for no reason and then have the cops blame THEM for it.....
I believe in anarchy No rules No Government No Masters of anykind... Contrary to popular belief Anarchy is not chaos and is not the worst form of government... Anarchy can work if we don't have stupid fascists bossing us around... We could just do what we want... and to keep some sense of order...There might need to be one rule:You may not fatally injure or kill another life form
Even if we were to assume just for arguments sake that anarchy is chaos... Can you honestly tell me that its worse than this?Or that this is not chaos?
Fuck the cops man they have done nothing for me... There are too many political prisoners... and you call this the land of the free...home of the fucking brave......well...think about it alittle harder... its the land of the enslaved.....open your eyes.....america is nowhere near invincable and its not the greatest nation ever seen... and nothing like its founding fathers wanted it to be......Above everything else in the world man kinda wants power and it corrupts him therefore leading to shit like this... america the very symbol of hypocracy.....this is no democracy......if you must name it...it is a social democracy... of capitalists and communists.....filled with corporate fucks whol have more say in our lives that the civilians who live them i for one wont be control by some nazi fuck... stand up... fight back!!!!!........if we dont.....who will??
So all in all i hope you try to see that this nation is going nowhere but down if it continues to oppress other nations of this world.....And the cops make it no better... not to say you should kill them...but you should fight back because no one gives two shits when an innocent man was almost killed by a cop for no fucking reason the cops can do no wrong but when the shoe is on the other foot... hell brakes..loose.....Americas laws protect those who least need them...
How can you feel safe with these guys running our nations and with the cops everywhere...And when i need help i will not run to the cops...because i'm probably trying to run from the cops...untidy group of little fascists.....i wont be controlled and toyed with... who will i run to you might ask?... My fellow punks...and i'll kick the shit out of the fucking pigs whos after me
learn from this.....cops know the risk... but do you?
Some ask where we would be without police... I believe innocent people would not be killed for no reason and then have the cops blame THEM for it.....
I believe in anarchy No rules No Government No Masters of anykind... Contrary to popular belief Anarchy is not chaos and is not the worst form of government... Anarchy can work if we don't have stupid fascists bossing us around... We could just do what we want... and to keep some sense of order...There might need to be one rule:You may not fatally injure or kill another life form
Even if we were to assume just for arguments sake that anarchy is chaos... Can you honestly tell me that its worse than this?Or that this is not chaos?
Fuck the cops man they have done nothing for me... There are too many political prisoners... and you call this the land of the free...home of the fucking brave......well...think about it alittle harder... its the land of the enslaved.....open your eyes.....america is nowhere near invincable and its not the greatest nation ever seen... and nothing like its founding fathers wanted it to be......Above everything else in the world man kinda wants power and it corrupts him therefore leading to shit like this... america the very symbol of hypocracy.....this is no democracy......if you must name it...it is a social democracy... of capitalists and communists.....filled with corporate fucks whol have more say in our lives that the civilians who live them i for one wont be control by some nazi fuck... stand up... fight back!!!!!........if we dont.....who will??
So all in all i hope you try to see that this nation is going nowhere but down if it continues to oppress other nations of this world.....And the cops make it no better... not to say you should kill them...but you should fight back because no one gives two shits when an innocent man was almost killed by a cop for no fucking reason the cops can do no wrong but when the shoe is on the other foot... hell brakes..loose.....Americas laws protect those who least need them...
How can you feel safe with these guys running our nations and with the cops everywhere...And when i need help i will not run to the cops...because i'm probably trying to run from the cops...untidy group of little fascists.....i wont be controlled and toyed with... who will i run to you might ask?... My fellow punks...and i'll kick the shit out of the fucking pigs whos after me
learn from this.....cops know the risk... but do you?
"Why him? Why anyone? Countless thousands of innocents are being murdered world over for far more insiduous reasons"
Yeah, true, but, that doesn't make his actions acceptable. In no way do I condone what he has done. That would be flawed logic It isn't right to murder like that. Only in self defence or for righteous vengence should foul murder be committed. While Mr McCrea's sentiments are worthy his actions are not.
He hasn't explained why he chose an "innocent" police officer. There can be "innocent" police officers, regardless of their choice of profession. As innocent as the children dying in Iraq or Mozambique or India (insert country of choice)
Hopefully we can change the global situation, throughout history civilisations have fallen without warning, unexpectedly. I do not believe we can really change anything. We are so many and they are so few, but they are strong. Stronger than we can ever be. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
The depths of the terrible behaviour that is committed by us against us in the pursuit of $$ knows no bounds. That the wool is tightly pulled over most of our eyes is evident everywhere you look. Not least in the ignorance of most of the replies along the lines of "...Don't you know we all carry guns in Bluff County.?." "I.... can't wait to get my hands on you if you ever come here..."
Step back, read the original post again. Ignore the murder and analyse the message. A very eloquent post. To those who disagree, do you have a spare 4 hours and a clue?? Read well, understand and see how your precious America behaves.
What a waste
Some ask where we would be without police... I believe innocent people would not be killed for no reason and then have the cops blame THEM for it...
I believe in anarchy No rules No Government No Masters of anykind... Contrary to popular belief Anarchy is not chaos and is not the worst form of government...
Anarchy can work if we don't have stupid fascists bossing us around... We could just do what we want... and to keep some sense of order...There might need to be one rule:You may not fatally injure or kill another life form
Even if we were to assume just for arguments sake that anarchy is chaos... Can you honestly tell me that its worse than this?Or that this is not chaos?
Fuck the cops man they have done nothing for me... There are too many political prisoners... and you call this the land of the free...home of the fucking brave...well...think about it alittle harder... its the land of the enslaved... open your eyes... america is nowhere near invincable and its not the greatest nation ever seen... and nothing like its founding fathers wanted it to be...
Above everything else in the world man kinda wants power and it corrupts him therefore leading to shit like this... america the very symbol of hypocracy... this is no democracy...if you must name it...it is a social democracy... of capitalists and communists... filled with corporate fucks whol have more say in our lives that the civilians who live them i for one wont be control by some nazi fuck... stand up... fight back!!!!!..... if we dont... who will??
So all in all i hope you try to see that this nation is going nowhere but down if it continues to oppress other nations of this world... And the cops make it no better... not to say you should kill them...but you should fight back because no one gives two shits when an innocent man was almost killed by a cop for no fucking reason the cops can do no wrong but when the shoe is on the other foot... hell brakes loose... Americas laws protect those who least need them...
How can you feel safe with these guys running our nations and with the cops everywhere...And when i need help i will not run to the cops...because i'm probably trying to run from the cops...untidy group of little fascists... i wont be controlled and toyed with... who will i run to you might ask?... My fellow punks...and i'll kick the shit out of the fucking pigs whos after me
learn from this... cops know the risk... but do you?
You sit here bitching about "evil corporate America" while posting
your rants on equipment and technology that corporate America
gave you. All while using your AOL/Time Warner or MSN
internet connection? Ha ha! Why don't you write your ideas
on home made papyrus if you hate corporate America so much?
And what the hell does a protest about a police state / police brutality
and "evil corporate America" have to do with the killing of a police
officer in Red Bluff? Andy is clearly dillusional. For any of you
who don't know, Red Bluff is a small rural "hick" town in Northern
California. Oh yeah! Red Bluff SURE IS a major player in the
corporate America world! And a tightly locked down police
state city at that! All the poor innocent citizens of Red Bluff are
constantly being harrassed and brutalized by the huge army of
the 23 member Red Bluff Police Force. Give me a break!
They probably only have 2 officers on duty at any one time. And I'm pretty sure they are not home to any Fortune 500
companies. This is just cold blooded murder in the name of
Protest? And some of you stupid idiots support this. Sad!
You people need to get a reality check.
CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE SEC. 422: Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out, which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made, is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison. "Electronic communication device" includes, but is not limited to, telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax machines, or pagers. "Electronic communication" has the same meaning as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of the United States Code.
and specific as to convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes that person
reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety or for his or her immediate
family's safety, ..."
An anonymous posting by and anonymous person to an anonymous person hardly
qualifies as an "...immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes that person
reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety or for his or her immediate
family's safety..."
"Those papers listed an Olympia address of 420 Sherman St. S.W., apartment 123, which is at the Capitol House apartments"
The idea that this is a fake address seems highly likely. Apt. 123? How about apt. 456? Probably chosen because it's the Capitol House Apartments, for the meanings of Capitol. White house etc. Not to mention it used to be Peter Hospital. And Peter Pan was at PLAY here. Evidently to heal us all.
The second mention is:
"the King County Jail said an Andrew Hampton Mickel of Olympia was booked April 20 for obstructing a public official. Mickel was released by the court April 21. "
April 20, 4/20, 420, get it?
Hmm, I wonder if our perpetrator is some kind of genius at manufacturing conspiracies. Ut oh spaghettio, could it be that this is all a manufacture of the Illuminati, like 9/11 was?
Maybe it's time for reefer madness take II. III? IV? ...
way of finding out your true identity, location, etc, then there is no way a resonable person
can think their life was in immediate
danger. Therefore, the elements of 422P.C. are not met. I am a police officer and this
what I would tell you if you were
reporting this to me.
Give me a break. They sold it to us at a handsome profit.
FEAR leads to ANGER
ANGER leads to HATE!!!!!
HATE leads to THE DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE.
for all of you idiots who have no fucking integrity. keep it together god damnit! your heart is the only thing that can save you, rules dont matter, only what your heart tells yoy.
yeh yeh i know it sounds funny but when that dya finally comes on your death bed, and for a moment you have to chance to see everything clearly..
would bubba be proud to have said such stupid things.
and could you really be so sure that the man deserved death, both Dan and Andy.
the system is flawed.
the future is ours.
Whats in there?
Only what you take with you...
peace
love
forever
The question is why are you angry?
Is it because an innocent cop has been killed?
Or because our lives are so controled that you can no longer buy a piece of clothing without it being made in a third-world sweat shop?
The abuse on this site against "activists" by certain individuals just enhances the statistics that 1 in 30 has sociopathic tendencies.
It is so easy to insult over a web site, nice and safe isn't it.
Shame you don't have the balls to face up to what you are really angry about. Instead you attack the only people who care about whats left of our world and the people in it, calling them smelly, crusty, dirty and unemployed.
Try something original.
And instead of all being angry and attacking each other, why not try to get along. Help each other, get that monkey off your back.
Still, its nice to see the few mails from people who seem to have a brain. Keep up the good work those of you who care, and be careful. As my last mail, I think this is the beginning of non-conformists becoming a suspected terrorist organisation, in America I believe it already is - everything Biafra warned us of about twenty years ago.
Peace.
You're a fool, man, a fool.
If they offered him to the mob, there is no doubt he would get ripped limb from limb... How is it that he a psychopath but you are all righteous people who simply believe in 'an eye for an eye'? Like I say... who is more sick?
I found this website by a link. I have never been here before. I felt compelled to answer the statement above.
Yes, the Iraqi people deserve happiness and peace like everyone else, but they also deserve the respect that should be given to all people and nations. Saddam is their leader, chosen by them and no one has the right to use the "idea" of liberating the "Iraqi" people to go in an massacre the innocent for their own emotional and monetary gratification.
I would take it as a personal insult if another Nation came to the USA to liberate us from the president in charged just because they thought that their moral views of the world were better than ours.
What gives people a right to think that their moral values and ideas should be spread around the world and say world has no right to fight back? Throughout history nations and people have fought against those that oppressed them, fought against the Romans, Hitler Germany, and so on. This factions thought themselves better than anyone else.
Our beautiful Nation with so many good romantic people with heart of gold don't seem to see the road that is being taken in the last 40 years or so. This land were mistakes are made and from those mistakes sometimes learning is done, hopefully, can awaken to stop the distructive path that is starting to take before is too late.
My heart goes to the Officer that was killed and his family, and also to the young man that claims involvement in killing him.
I'm older now, and hope that my grandchildren will have a world and a Nation that they could be proud of instead of growing up in rage, hatred, and avarice.
As a people we must learn to think for ourselves. We can't forget that we put those people up there. WE can't forget that they are human with their own agenda, and if we don't keep an eye on them they will walk all over us. What happens when people, even good people gain power over others? Human nature kicks in, their internal issues kick in. It doesn't happen overnight, but it happens.
To blind ourselves to believe that the people we hired to run the country while we live our day to day lives has our greatest interest and happiness is to ask for disaster to walk into our lives and sit at our dining room table. WE must keep informed of the events in our nation and around the world and not fall for the latest propaganda that feed our emotions and fears.
The biggest lie that the people have eaten and it still works is that there is the "Government" and there is the "People". I say there is only, "GovernPeople" that must take responsibility for those that are at the moment running the country.
Thank you for listening.
Happy Thanksgiving
A hopeful American
Because the average United-Statesians will remain fascist, and slaughtering third world civilians. That you will remain disinformed by your corporate media.
You all (well, most of you) don´t care when people here in Latin America, the asshole of the world suffers from your foreign policies, from your multinationals. If you´ve got a little brain left, a suggest you forget the killing for one moment, read the article and try to think about it. "think?!" yes, it is not that hard. Go on, you can do it.
You live in a place where a citizens destiny is determined at age 12, and you don't care. Your cynicality precludes you from seeing that Europe has not produced real innovation in tens of years. Your inability to improve yourselves, foisted upon you by your political and economic system, has led your moral compass into the abyss. To the rest of humanity, it seems you care about nothing.
How long did France take to fall to the Nazis? 30 days? The Poles held out just as long, and they had nothing more than antiquated rifles and horses. Are you ready to wave the swastika again, Europe? Because that's the type of history you are likely to repeat if you keep travelling down the road you're on. And, frankly, this time the rest of us are starting not to care.