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The Declaration of a Renewed American Independence
by Andrew McCrae
Monday Nov 25th, 2002 7:34 PM
The motives behind the killing of a Police Officer in Red Bluff, California. A declaration of American rights in the face of law enforcement.
We apologize to the family and friends of the Police Officer that we killed in Red Bluff, California.


The Declaration of a Renewed American Independence


Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?
Whether yes or no, the question itself becomes meaningless when the ‘chains and slavery’ we use to protect our lives begin to kill and brutalize us.

Throughout the course of human history, governments have established unjust laws, pressing them upon its citizens with the force of a brutal police system. These police systems, in turn, quickly come to abuse their position of authority over the people.
Such has been the patient suffering of the present day American. The Intelligent Independence of all American Individuals, although necessary for strong and free-minded communities, is rapidly being encroached upon and destroyed by the foot soldiers of our Law Enforcement Agencies.

There is a ‘War on Crime’ being fought in our country today, and while a portion of this war is fought to protect us, in many forms, including the ‘War on Drugs,’ it is also used as an excuse to unbearably disrupt the lives of inoffensive Americans.
By attacking individuals and activities we hold dear, this ‘War on Crime’ has, in effect, been declared on all of us. We therefore must hold the Police as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace, Friends.
We are eager to end the destructive aspects of this War and resume friendship with those Police who simply desire to protect their fellow citizens.
But both police brutality and unjust laws exist, and we are not content to simply obey them. Honor, justice, and humanity forbid us from tamely surrendering that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, which our innocent children have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of delivering future generations to that wretchedness which would inevitably await them, if they were to inherit from us a National Police State.

We, the Freedom-Loving People of America, hereby solemnly publish and declare-
-That any adult consensual act, whether declared illegal by legislature or not, is, in the truth of human existence, not a crime, but a Non-Crime.
-That people in America ‘guilty’ of Non-Crimes are, and by right ought to be, Independent Individuals working together in community, Free From Interference by any Law Enforcement Agency.
-That they are absolved from allegiance to any harmful laws.
-That as Independent Individuals they have the right to be free from racial profiling, to physically defend themselves from unjust arrest, to do drugs, to have any type of adult consensual sex, and to do all other acts and things that free people may by right do.

We further demand that our Police Force cease both brutalizing us and in any way abusing their authority over us.
To prove the existence of this police oppression, let facts be submitted to a candid world-

The Law Enforcement Agencies of America: the FBI, DEA, BATF, INS, US Marshals Service, the Secret Service, along with state and local agencies, have defiled our liberties in the following ways-

They have killed over 2,000 people nationwide, without just cause, within the last year.
They have attempted to cover up the circumstances of these murders, painting their victims poorly in the media in ways that have nothing to do with the circumstances of their deaths.
They have used their desire for excitement to escalate situations that could have been resolved peacefully.
They have operated raids in the place of investigations, prioritizing military tactics over social skills, in cases where force was not necessary.
They have justified searches off anonymous tips, used ‘secret evidence’ in court, and detained people without charge.
They have used scare tactics to gain compliance, hovering the threat of violence over us.
They have allowed ‘resisting arrest’ charges to turn unlawful arrests into ‘lawful’ ones.
They have arrested people without reading them their rights.
They have interrogated suspects while denying them the right to a lawyer present.


They have attacked our spiritual and physical liberties by waging a War against Drugs that are so widely used and enjoyed that this enforcement becomes an insult to both American intelligence and freedom itself.
They have extended the War on Drugs to justify all areas of police abuse of power, using it intensively as a harassment and punishment tool for racist purposes.


They have treated people of color as criminals by default, enforcing a violent systematic racism against them.
They have behaved as soldiers in an occupied territory, never developing an understanding of the actual social problems and needs of the communities they police.
They have enhanced violent crimes between citizens by inciting nearly every major U.S. riot since 1964 with police oppression.
They have harassed immigrants of color, and U.S. citizens of color for the possibility that they might not be citizens, even going so far as to gather them all together, write numbers on their arms for organization, and herd them into cattle trucks until their identities have been proven.
They have forced illegal aliens into cheap labor by using selective enforcement of immigration laws to control factory workers who demand equal rights.
They have established checkpoints within our borders to determine driver’s nationalities, using the Trojan horse of ‘Order’ to set the firm foundations of a racist police state.


They have assisted in the encroachment upon our privacy by probing our identities, activities, and belongings without cause.
They have enforced an errant ‘lowered expectation of privacy’ in our vehicles pulling us over for whimsical reasons and intimidating us into searches.
They have concocted transgressions and arrested us when we refuse their assaults on our privacy.
They have placed video cameras on our street corners and highways to catalog victimless Non-Crimes, and extort money from inoffensive citizens.


They have hypocritically demanded that we not be armed during our interactions with them, for ‘officer safety.’
They have enforced gun registration laws, establishing a fundamental step on the way to complete gun confiscation.
They have confiscated guns and knives for trivial reasons, severely damaging the American right to revolution, forcing us into channels of change that the authorities themselves control.


They have subverted our personal human interactions by requiring government permission for public gatherings.
They have wrenched our public property away from us by closing parks at night, preventing loitering, and harassing skateboarders.
They have waged a war on poverty-

-outlawing panhandling, public sleeping, and hitchhiking.
-allowing our justice system to be controlled by wealth, imprisoning small criminals, but allowing great criminals to go free.

They have harassed our children and stolen away the freedom of their youth by enforcing local curfews and underage drinking laws.
They have contributed to an unhealthy social sexuality, declaring the human body ‘indecent’ by enforcing public ‘indecency’ laws.
They have been the hand of censorship against ‘obscenity.’



They have kept us from using fast, though safe, speeds that we know we can handle, becoming the willing tools in using us as a source of revenue.

They have sped faster than we do to stop us from speeding.



They have undermined adult consent by waging a war on prostitution.

They have wreaked havoc on prostitute’s lives by surrounding their profession with danger and criminality.


And throughout all this, they have avoided citizen accountability by-

-refusing to give their names and badge numbers.

-interfering with documentation of their activities.
-seizing private property to fund their departments, under the pretext of the ‘War on Drugs.’


The enumeration in this declaration of certain grievances shall not be construed to
deny other grievances retained by the people.



In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress of grievances both in our courts and on our streets. Our repeated petitions have been answered by repeated injury and the foot soldiers of our oppressions have been protected by mock trials.

“If you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable.” -John F. Kennedy

We now restate our grievances with the force of violence behind them.

We fully expect the authorities to denounce our use of violence and declare us ‘terrorists,’ citing their definition of ‘people who use violence to further their own political objective.’

But we hold to light the facts-

-that these same authorities use violence to further their own political objectives, both domestically with police, and internationally with war.

-that the objectives of these authorities are authoritarian and driven by greed for money, whereas our objectives are community-oriented and driven by a passion for human freedoms.

-that the self-sanctioned violence of these authorities always produces innocent casualties, whereas our violence has not.

Our violence has delivered neither burned babies nor shattered adolescents. These authorities will, but we will not, club the opposition for nonviolently protesting against us.

We recognize that a policing force is necessary for the safety and happiness of human life.

We don’t dare say that all police desire to be destructive of our Freedoms.

We recognize the Peace Officer. The Peace Officer protects us from thoughtless violence and from organized corruption. The Peace Officer is dedicated to serving and protecting us. They genuinely care for our well being. They will bend the rules for us when they see the situation where a bureaucratic system will do us more harm than good.

We respect the Peace Officer and beg them for patience with our action of violence.

But any law enforcement system where, as in ours, the enforcers are encouraged not to use their own political judgment, is the basis for Fascism, Nazism, and any form of a Police State Government. Through police department politics, even our Peace Officers are pressured to support their less honorable colleagues through silence and active participation.

The old excuse, “I’m just doing my job,” is not good enough to avoid the responsibility of our grievances.

Law Enforcement Officers, we encourage you to think less of the ways that you are tied to your supporting career and more of the better world that your family will inherit if you help us to create it.

Think of what our friendship could be worth to you.



If we all truly desire to eradicate the victimization that is caused by crime, we must only police unsolicited violence, coercion and corruption. To eliminate these things, while violence will sometimes be necessary, it is a more worthy and efficient tactic to focus on prevention. We must focus on providing quality education, good jobs, housing and health care.

For this to happen all of our police officers must become Peace Officers.

The past can be forgiven. What is important is the future.

The only way this country will get better is if we all work together. Help us, Law Enforcement Officers. Please. Help us take back our freedoms. We can’t do it without you.

We further encourage all of our neighbors and citizens-

We must all support one another’s rights.

The Homosexuals must support the Christian Creationists. The Gun Rights Advocates must support the Nonviolent Protesters. The Skateboarders must support the Prostitutes.

And vice versa.

And vice versa.

We must all support each other’s individual beliefs and rights or we will never again have rights as individuals.

Don’t Tread on Us.

Signed,



The American People
by Ed
Tuesday Nov 26th, 2002 11:34 AM
you guys are idiots , the jerk who killed Officer Mobilio in Red Bluff deserves the chair !!!
by ambroze
Tuesday Nov 26th, 2002 12:28 PM
What a shame! This kid sounds as though he had had some education and still feels that he can be accuser, judge and jury. What about the family of the officer he killed? The chair is aalmost too good.
by WTF
Tuesday Nov 26th, 2002 12:51 PM
"...and still feels that he can be accuser, judge and jury."

Gosh, that sounds just like the COPS.

by Tom Alciere
Tuesday Nov 26th, 2002 1:21 PM
Obviously, drug dealers are absolutely justified in using any necessary force against the police during a drug raid. Americans didn'ty let the Redcoats get away with tax enforcement and Americans don't have to let the police get away with drug enforcement. What are they supposed to do, try to scare the intruders away withb a Boy Scout knife?

But when you wake up with a submachine gun in your face, it's too late to defend your home against the goons that are waging their government's War on Drugs. If somebody had slaughtered that goon while the goon was refueling a patrol car, then that goon wouldn't be shoving a submachine gun in your face. That's why the attack in Red Bluff was absolutely justified. If the voters don't like it, they should've thought of that BEFORE they voted against candidates who would repeal the unjust laws. Let this be a lesson to them: vote wrong, cops die. And let this be a lesson to police chiefs across the USA: Cops under control, or cops under flowers.
by Tammera Halphen
Tuesday Nov 26th, 2002 2:01 PM
I think that the patriots of the American Revolution killed quite a few Redcoats. At the time they were all British citizens. By our current definitions they were terrorists against the lawful representatives of the British crown. Perhaps it's time for a new American Revolution. As I have no stomach for terrorism, I will fight like Tom Paine with my computer.
by Order
Tuesday Nov 26th, 2002 5:16 PM
The thing most of you (Tammera) fail to see is the America Revolutionaries weren't so great. So I guess you condone their treatment of the NATIVE Americans and the Slaves, all in the name of "freedoms." Another thing, the American settlers didn't go to England to overthrough the Government, they left because they didn't like it.

If you don't like America now, why don't find your own new world, murder a few million natives and start your UTOPIA, picture perfect, without any government, where everyone can live free, that is, until some of the "natives savages" impose on your "freedom", but hey we know your answer for that.....
by Order
Tuesday Nov 26th, 2002 5:18 PM
The thing most of you (Tammera) fail to see is the America Revolutionaries weren't so great. So I guess you condone their treatment of the NATIVE Americans and the Slaves, all in the name of "freedoms." Another thing, the American settlers didn't go to England to overthrough the Government, they left because they didn't like it.

If you don't like America now, why don't find your own new world, murder a few million natives and start your UTOPIA, picture perfect, without any government, where everyone can live free, that is, until some of the "natives savages" impose on your "freedom", but hey we know your answer for that.....
by Order
Tuesday Nov 26th, 2002 5:19 PM
The thing most of you (Tammera) fail to see is the America Revolutionaries weren't so great. So I guess you condone their treatment of the NATIVE Americans and the Slaves, all in the name of "freedoms." Another thing, the American settlers didn't go to England to overthrough the Government, they left because they didn't like it.

If you don't like America now, why don't you find your own new world, murder a few million natives and start your UTOPIA, picture perfect, without any government, where everyone can live free, that is, until some of the "natives savages" impose on your "freedom", but hey we know your answer for that.....
by Soon to Be US Expatriate
Tuesday Nov 26th, 2002 5:47 PM
The United States is becoming everything that McCrae described. It is a miserable place for many common people. Killing an innocent cop though is not admirable, as what Mccrae did is the same atrocity of which he complains -- anonymous and mutual disrespect.

We are in an epic struggle with the corporate controlled and elitist fascist regime we all know as the Democratic and Republican alliance, and their corrupt bureacracies, etc.

Sun Tzu, in the Art of War, said, "Violence is the option of last resort." Their are many options before "INNOCENT" blood needs to be spilled.

Please, no one else kill any "INNOCENT" police officers, politicians, or anyone else.

Read about one of the likely assassination attempts by criminals within government against an honest auditor.

http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/democracyordeath/Assassin%20Details.htm

Free art and music and news at links on Home page of site.
by Pete
Tuesday Nov 26th, 2002 9:10 PM
This animal is a waste of good air.....I hope he rots in a stinking cell....fryin him is too nice....
by pat henry
Tuesday Nov 26th, 2002 10:54 PM

Too bad for the cops family. I am not up on this story and the who dunit. Who got done and why or how matters as much as whodunit.
If keystrokes could lynch............... The article made sense. It is slick propaganda to have you associate what was written with what might have happened then use an "admission" of guilt run with a story so unlike a crazed killer.


I suppose we're to not put our hired help into unsafe areas. Too many police calls to an isolated area where residential hotels opened there doors to all. trix n' treats. All in one place, no schools, no churches, no neighborhoods to bother.
Too many times they had to do something...in a raid they threw everybody out of 2 hotels, evicted , right now! That night there were 40 home invasions and the track was reopened. Short on small housing anyway, they must remain closed for a year????
the drug war is a crime against humanity.
Hiring more police to prevent crime is like hiring more ambulance drivers to cure cancer.
keep your powder dry pilgrim

On November 7, 2000, 105.4 million American citizens voted for President of the United States.
George W. Bush lost by 539,897 votes.
by janette
(Netters83 [at] aol.com) Tuesday Nov 26th, 2002 11:32 PM
The chair is too nice of a thing to do to this jerk.. Officer mobilio was one of a kind. I believe the guy who did this to him deserves a fireing squad.. then maybe he would understand what the police officer was going through.
by Re:
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 12:18 AM
Each Iraqi and Afghan child is one of a kind. Yet the bombs will drop and nobody will care....
by ?
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 12:19 AM
Why were the following addresses and phone #s given by McCrea? Has anyone called them?

The Declaration of a Renewed American Independence
by Andrew McCrae 5:05pm Mon Nov 25 '02 (Modified on 11:02pm Tue Nov 26 '02)
address: 420 Sherman St. Olympia, WA phone: 360-753-7486
http://www.seattle.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=20309&group=webcast

The Declaration of a Renewed American Independence
by Andrew McCrae 5:29pm Mon Nov 25 '02
address: 342 Treehaven St. Austin TX phone: 374-988-4833 n
http://austin.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=4378&group=webcast

The Declaration Of A Renewed American Independence
by Andrew McCrae
Email: none (unverified!)
Phone: 834-389-2933
Address: 433 Blackraven Dr. Baltimore, Maryland
http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/2219/index.php

by google
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 1:41 AM
The searches didn't turn up any links.....

Austin
by Address: Your search has returned no results.
http://www.whitepages.com/resi_qry_results.pl?fid=a&s_n=342&s_a=Treehaven+Street&c=Austin&s=TX
by Name: 0 Matches Found
by Phone: Your search has returned no results.
http://www.whitepages.com/resi_qry_results.pl?fid=p&ac=374&p=988-4833

Baltimore
by Address: Your search has returned no results.
http://www.whitepages.com/resi_qry_results.pl?fid=a&s_n=433&s_a=Blackraven+Drive&c=Baltimore&s=MD
by Name: 0 Matches Found
by Phone: Your search has returned no results.
http://www.whitepages.com/resi_qry_results.pl?fid=p&ac=834&p=389-2933

Olympia
by Address: 39 Total Results
http://www.whitepages.com/resi_qry_results.pl?c=Olympia&s=WA&s_n=420&s_a=Sherman%20Street&fid=a&srch_id=14&srch_tm=021127013015&page=1
by Name: 0 Matches Found
by Phone: Henderson, Michael
http://www.whitepages.com/resi_qry_results.pl?fid=p&ac=360&p=753-7486

but there is first had verification that an Andrew McCrae did live in Olympia, Washington

The FBI arrested 23-year old Andrew McCrae Tuesday morning after a standoff at a hotel. As far as investigators know, McCrae did not live in New Hampshire. He lives in Olympia at the Capitol House Apartments, where his arrest comes as a shock. Gina Gervasi says she lived across the hall from McCrae.
"He just seemed like a normal guy. A kid, you know, 20's," Gervasi said "I didn't think he'd ever kill a police officer. I don't know. I can't believe that."
by Ahimsa
(Dhamapada) Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 8:15 AM
While I believe the author mentions many valid points, this call to violence is totally wrong. "This eye for an eye policy leaves everybody blind". We CANNOT use guns to blast our way into having a safer world.

Refer: Gandhi, MLK. Break the cycle of violence now. Go to a library and find MLK videos and watch them now. Listen to his words.

(PS: Think about going veg this thanksgiving. It is a real way to honor God and give thanks. And if you already abstain from eating meat, think about abstaining from all food)

Non-violence quotes file: http://www.vegdot.org/special/quotes
by um
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 8:46 AM
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The author of this post had a few sane ideas but he was mentally insane and that ratehr than the ideas lead to the shooting
by innocent man
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 8:50 AM
my heart goes out to the family and friends of the officer killed in red bluff, but i feel this only the start of whats to come, its the bad cops that are hurting us all, the cops that lie on their reports which send a family man to prison and away from his new born child, the cops who fabricate evidence etc..shasta county is known throughout the USA as being # 3 on the most corrupt police force.....go see what the public defenders and the DA is doing to people in shasta county and the judges who allow it, the dept of justice knows about shasta county, why are they going to wait until another peace officer is killed before they step in and do something about the judicial misconduct in shasta county,Look up "TERROR IN SHASTA COUNTY" and read for yourself how this killing seed was planted.
by innocent man
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 8:50 AM
my heart goes out to the family and friends of the officer killed in red bluff, but i feel this only the start of whats to come, its the bad cops that are hurting us all, the cops that lie on their reports which send a family man to prison and away from his new born child, the cops who fabricate evidence etc..shasta county is known throughout the USA as being # 3 on the most corrupt police force.....go see what the public defenders and the DA is doing to people in shasta county and the judges who allow it, the dept of justice knows about shasta county, why are they going to wait until another peace officer is killed before they step in and do something about the judicial misconduct in shasta county,Look up "TERROR IN SHASTA COUNTY" and read for yourself how this killing seed was planted.
by scared man
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 8:57 AM
my heart goes out to the family and friends of the officer killed in red bluff, but i feel this only the start of whats to come, its the bad cops that are hurting us all, the cops that lie on their reports which send a family man to prison and away from his new born child, the cops who fabricate evidence etc..shasta county is known throughout the USA as being # 3 on the most corrupt police force.....go see what the public defenders and the DA is doing to people in shasta county and the judges who allow it, the dept of justice knows about shasta county, why are they going to wait until another peace officer is killed before they step in and do something about the judicial misconduct in shasta county,Look up "TERROR IN SHASTA COUNTY" and read for yourself how this killing seed was planted.
by no way
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 9:25 AM
if i gave my name, shasta countys dirty cops would get me for something and have it backed up by the DA and judge especially in redding, this place in shasta county has everyone hating the police dept simply by the way they lie and and destroys familys, i wish for no one to be killed ever especially the one who risk their lives to protect us, but then theres the dirty cops, but how do we tell the differece between the good cops and the bad cops, how do they tell the difference between a good homeless man or a bad homeless man, the dirty cops just harrass all homeless people and then writes a report that the homeless man tried to run or defened himself, no wait that would be "evading and assult on a police officer, the DA makes it stick because the homeless man had trouble with the law 15 years ago, so shasta county judges gives the homeless 5 years in prison(true story) so how does a would be killer know, he doesnt, he just finds the first one, which make him a sick sick man like the sick sick dirty cops out in shasta county(redding)my heart goes out to the family and friends of the officer killed in red bluff, but i feel this only the start of whats to come, its the bad cops that are hurting us all, the cops that lie on their reports which send a family man to prison and away from his new born child, the cops who fabricate evidence etc..shasta county is known throughout the USA as being # 3 on the most corrupt police force.....go see what the public defenders and the DA is doing to people in shasta county and the judges who allow it, the dept of justice knows about shasta county, why are they going to wait until another peace officer is killed before they step in and do something about the judicial misconduct in shasta county,Look up "TERROR IN SHASTA COUNTY" and read for yourself how this killing seed was planted.
by ex6
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 9:40 AM
yes each iraqi and saudi and wherever the hell else back there in the middle east you want to look at child is an innocent and yes the bombs will drop and YES PEOPLE DO CARE. but they- the parents of those children- chose to live that life themselves and force it on their innocent children, in a 'society' where their children are brought up to believe that killing is the only way to a peaceful stay in heaven. It is that country that decided to wage war against the US - this country we all love so much, government or no - by killing THOUSANDS of innocents in new york. people do care about the innocent children stuck in that hell hole called the middle east and people are working to save them, but there are still more who fight against them because they are intruding and controlling their way of life. you can NOT say that any of that has ANYTHING to do with the COWARDLY act commited in red bluff. the man in red bluff had a family... a baby son who will never know him. but that baby son will grow up surrounded by a community full of children who knew 'Dare man Dave', children who respected him and loved him and who were all grieving at his funeral on tuesday. i didn't know the man, but the fact that those children did, that they showed up at his funeral to show support to his family, that they showed the respect and support to the red bluff police department because of david mobilio's impact on their lives, says A LOT more than what his murderer decided to forge this nation's signature on.
by cop
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 10:11 AM
What the hell! Go find another chunk of this earth and set up your little utopia. This freak and the others in here like Alciere, etc. should be put out to sea in four person rafts and set adrift in the predominant tides. if they wash back up to the shores of this fine country, incarcerate them within the same room and let their little utopian dream become a reality... they'll soon learn the lesson of "The Prince". If they opt to escape from their little utopian building... put them to work in factories assembling furniture, on the street driving cabs and buses, in the hospitals tending to the sick and injured, ... you know, lead them down that frightful and tormented path that the rest of us have had to travel for so long... self sufficiency without government or corporate subsistence!

Yeah, if we make them work for a living then they'd all want out!

Rot in hell McRae!!!
by cop
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 10:11 AM
What the hell! Go find another chunk of this earth and set up your little utopia. This freak and the others in here like Alciere, etc. should be put out to sea in four person rafts and set adrift in the predominant tides. if they wash back up to the shores of this fine country, incarcerate them within the same room and let their little utopian dream become a reality... they'll soon learn the lesson of "The Prince". If they opt to escape from their little utopian building... put them to work in factories assembling furniture, on the street driving cabs and buses, in the hospitals tending to the sick and injured, ... you know, lead them down that frightful and tormented path that the rest of us have had to travel for so long... self sufficiency without government or corporate subsistence!

Yeah, if we make them work for a living then they'd all want out!

Rot in hell McRae!!!
by cop
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 10:11 AM
What the hell! Go find another chunk of this earth and set up your little utopia. This freak and the others in here like Alciere, etc. should be put out to sea in four person rafts and set adrift in the predominant tides. if they wash back up to the shores of this fine country, incarcerate them within the same room and let their little utopian dream become a reality... they'll soon learn the lesson of "The Prince". If they opt to escape from their little utopian building... put them to work in factories assembling furniture, on the street driving cabs and buses, in the hospitals tending to the sick and injured, ... you know, lead them down that frightful and tormented path that the rest of us have had to travel for so long... self sufficiency without government or corporate subsistence!

Yeah, if we make them work for a living then they'd all want out!

Rot in hell McRae!!!
by MEMBER OF COMMUNITY
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 10:13 AM
Granted the government has men and women in it that is not doing what the American People want but that does NOT GIVE THE RIGHT for someone to take it into their own hands and commit murder. He is no better than the government. We (American People) put the government officials into that office and we (American People) can remove them without the slaughter of innocent people. The original constitution says we the people for the people. The government should realize that we put them into office to do what we ask not what they feel like doing. This causes dirty officials and reflects on the clean officials. Why do we have our freedom. Because we did not let the government have total control. You need to take it to the officials the right way NOT THE WORNG WAY AND TAKE AN INNOCENT LIFE. I feel for the officers family and any public service official that puts their life in jepordy in protecting us from the drug dealers or people that feel you have done wrong to them (road rage, firing of an employee, kids putting down other kids). FIGHT THE RIGHT WAY NOT THE WRONG WAY.
by MEMBER OF COMMUNITY
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 10:13 AM
Granted the government has men and women in it that is not doing what the American People want but that does NOT GIVE THE RIGHT for someone to take it into their own hands and commit murder. He is no better than the government. We (American People) put the government officials into that office and we (American People) can remove them without the slaughter of innocent people. The original constitution says we the people for the people. The government should realize that we put them into office to do what we ask not what they feel like doing. This causes dirty officials and reflects on the clean officials. Why do we have our freedom. Because we did not let the government have total control. You need to take it to the officials the right way NOT THE WORNG WAY AND TAKE AN INNOCENT LIFE. I feel for the officers family and any public service official that puts their life in jepordy in protecting us from the drug dealers or people that feel you have done wrong to them (road rage, firing of an employee, kids putting down other kids). FIGHT THE RIGHT WAY NOT THE WRONG WAY.
by cop
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 10:13 AM
What the hell! Go find another chunk of this earth and set up your little utopia. This freak and the others in here like Alciere, etc. should be put out to sea in four person rafts and set adrift in the predominant tides. if they wash back up to the shores of this fine country, incarcerate them within the same room and let their little utopian dream become a reality... they'll soon learn the lesson of "The Prince". If they opt to escape from their little utopian building... put them to work in factories assembling furniture, on the street driving cabs and buses, in the hospitals tending to the sick and injured, ... you know, lead them down that frightful and tormented path that the rest of us have had to travel for so long... self sufficiency without government or corporate subsistence!

Yeah, if we make them work for a living then they'd all want out!

Rot in hell McRae!!!

A cop in Olympia!
by Cop
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 10:20 AM
What the hell! Go find another chunk of this earth and set up your little utopia. This freak and the others in here like Alciere, etc. should be put out to sea in four person rafts and set adrift in the predominant tides. if they wash back up to the shores of this fine country, incarcerate them within the same room and let their little utopian dream become a reality... they'll soon learn the lesson of "The Prince". If they opt to escape from their little utopian building... put them to work in factories assembling furniture, on the street driving cabs and buses, in the hospitals tending to the sick and injured, ... you know, lead them down that frightful and tormented path that the rest of us have had to travel for so long... self sufficiency without government or corporate subsistence!

Yeah, if we make them work for a living then they'd all want out!

Rot in hell McRae!!!

A cop in Olympia!
by WTF
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 10:22 AM
To them all non cops are scum, to be treated like sheep and if any of us dare step out of line....

They set themselves up as judge, jury, and executioner, now someone has done the same to them AND IT MADDENS THEM.

Prepair to see more stories of people being shot dead for nothing...

"42 shots heard around the world..."
by a sudden historian
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 11:29 AM
marat.jpg
Compare the above prison .jpg with this famous painting by David, The Death (Assassination) of the French Revolutionary Marat.

http://search.biography.com/print_record.pl?id=6031
by a sudden historian
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 11:30 AM
marat.jpgw65075.jpg
Compare the above prison .jpg with this famous painting by David, The Death (Assassination) of the French Revolutionary Marat.

See http://search.biography.com/print_record.pl?id=6031 for more on him.
by a non cop
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 12:50 PM
police officers and other law enforcement personel are there because the city hires them. the voting people approve of the people who hire them. if the cops are judge jury and executioner, why is it that the cops only show up when the 'non cop' CALLS them for their help? or when the 'non cop' is doing something they know is against the laws that were set up for the protection of the rest of the community. it's not like the cops and legislature have nothing better to do with their time than to sit in their big fancy chairs and think, "Hmm... how can we screw with the little people's minds and ruin their fun today?". Don't give them that much credit. you guys are the folks who set the cops up as judge jury and executioner because it's more convienient than accepting your own guilt at screwing up your own f*cking life.
by Tom Alciere
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 1:25 PM
As soon as Gov. Gray Davis doesn't want people to kill any more cops in California, Gov. Gray Davis will call the California Legislature into emergency session and demand that they repeal all the unjust laws, and release all the persons incarcerated thereunder. As far as "innocent" goes, they have all raised their right hand and solemnly threatened that they will, to the best of their ability, uphold and enforce the unjust laws of unjust governments (grabbing innocent people, handcuffing them, and forcing them into patrol cars against their will.) When you're in a cop's choke hold, turning blue, the reason bystanders don't run up and rescue you, is because they know there are plenty more cops that will rush in and arrest them for it. Those other cops deter the rescue, and therefore, are accomplices.
by up late
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 1:59 PM
alcier... that's terrorism: the attitude of "i don't like what you're doing, so i'm going to kill you all off until you change your evil ways."
you want to step down from your soapbox there and listen to yourself, preacher? sounds like the same shit the founders of the US broke away from because they didn't like. its a threat to the people you say are being so mistreated. and it's not likely to change a damn thing. the country doesn't yield to terrorist tactics - it gets stronger and tightens its belt and stands firm. if the police can't protect citizens and enforce laws, that leaves it up to the national guard and then the army. Then you'll really have submachine guns in your face waking you up while you're lying in your nice comfy meth bed. try the coffee instead of the acid, folks. its a little slower suicide, but it's at least legal.
by XV ITTV
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 7:01 PM
The United States is becoming everything that McCrae described. It is a miserable place for many common people. Killing an innocent cop though is not admirable, as what Mccrae did is the same atrocity of which he complains -- anonymous and mutual disrespect.

We are in an epic struggle with the corporate controlled and elitist fascist regime we all know as the Democratic and Republican alliance, and their corrupt bureacracies, etc.

Sun Tzu, in the Art of War, said, "Violence is the option of last resort." Their are many options before "INNOCENT" blood needs to be spilled.

Please, no one else kill any "INNOCENT" police officers, politicians, or anyone else.

Read about one of the likely assassination attempts by criminals within government against an honest auditor.

http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/democracyordeath/Assassin%20Details.htm

Free art and music and news at links on Home page of site.

http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/democracyordeath/
by susie
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 7:26 PM
True Americans don't go around killing police or any one else. What gives you the right to take the law into your own hands. Dosen't that just make you a killer?
by sf
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 7:33 PM
I agree it is the wrong thing to do( killing to try and make a point). The problem is the police going after the drug users. It is the drug users just don't know what reality their in
by Sarasota Herald-Tribune
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 8:05 PM

Red Bluff police seeking car and story behind officer's killing

By JIM WASSERMAN
Associated Press Writer

Authorities in three western states continued their search Wednesday for a 1992 maroon Ford Mustang with Washington state license plates, believed to belong to Andrew H. Mickel, 23, the suspected killer of a Red Bluff, Calif., police officer.

Red Bluff Police Chief Robert Petit said the hatchback model with tinted windows and license number 595 NAB, could be in California, Oregon or Washington.

Meanwhile, Petit's department was still trying to unravel the story of Mickel, the Olympia, Wash., man who confessed to the Nov. 19 murder of Officer David Mobilio, following his arrest Tuesday in a Concord, N.H. hotel. Mickel admitted to the killing in a phone conversation with a Concord Monitor newspaper reporter.

Mickel, a Washington college student and ex-U.S. Army private also known as Andrew McCrae, said he shot Mobilio at a Red Bluff gasoline station to protest police brutality and corporate irresponsibility.

He is being held without bail at New Hampshire's Merrimack County Jail after saying nothing during his arraignment by video hookup.

Wednesday, Mickel's mother disavowed her son's alleged crime, saying, "We love our son but we absolutely denounce his alleged actions."

In a brief telephone interview from Springfield, Ohio, with her voice breaking, Karen Mickel said, "Our hearts are breaking for the family and friends of Officer Mobilio." She said she didn't know why her son was using the name McCrae.

Springfield police records show Mickel reported her son, then 18, missing on Oct. 28, 1997, and that he had left a note that morning saying he was running away. She said her son had refused to take his medication for depression.

The next night she called police to say her son had been found in Yellow Springs, about 15 miles south of their home.
www.heraldtribune.com/

by slim
Wednesday Nov 27th, 2002 8:52 PM
clintons gift to evil was the second gleaning of those who would "serve and protect". our society is less than half as violent as it was 15 years ago. They weren't needed.
corporate prison industry is coming for those million who've been locked up since the "war on crime" and mostly from the "war on drugs". building prisons and housing those railroaded into this system have profited a few select maggots. Insanity like manditory sentancing and laws against personal choice for things that will never I repeat NEVER be stopped. Alcohol was banned for 14 years. Our ancestors were represented better, far better.
They saw clearly what was faced them. the lesser of 2 evils. Millions spent by those profiting from prohibition to keep it that way, were overcome by reason.. Now a man charged and convicted with lying to congress , a felony, about use of cocaine profits and illegal arms sales, to reinslave nicaragua for a corporate monster, sits atop the pile as info czar at darpa.
the junta demands the power to erase anyone. vanish........ we need a coup de ta , and we need it now.

Seattle doesnt hire cops, the justice department does.
by jr
Thursday Nov 28th, 2002 12:10 AM
"Help us, Law Enforcement Officers. Please. Help us take back our freedoms. We can't do it without you." I'm sure the Law Enforcement community can hardly contain their zeal to help this guy now. Help him stop wasting perfectly good oxygen. Killing that officer was roughly the equivalent of killing a grocery cashier in retaliation for the store raising prices. I for one would like to see the Red Bluff officers family throw the switch on the electric chair.
by afraid you will shoot me.
Thursday Nov 28th, 2002 12:19 AM
This is just sad. The product of priviledged suburban white kids and thier liberal arts education. Instead of dealing with real problems and real issues, everything must be wrapped up in conspiracy and twisted logic. Now, to prove your "point" you have killed a presumably innocent person just because he wears a uniform that makes you feel uncomfortable. I know you are the real oppressor because I fear you more than I will ever fear them. I feel safer talking to the bike cops I see riding down by Capitol Lake than when I see you on campus, your judgemental eyes piercing through me. You see me as your enemy even though we've never met. I am your cause and you or someone like you will probably kill me for it someday. It is because I do not dress like you,/think like you. You are the irrational. You are the wretched. You are the cause because you need a cause. Now that you have made a name for yourself, is it everything you thought it would be? Has the revolution begun? Do I need to choose sides now? Do I need to kill someone?
by unimportant
Thursday Nov 28th, 2002 6:01 PM
to "afraid you will shoot me": if you fear the revolutionaries more than the police it is simply because you are a priviledged individual. many people aren't so lucky because of their race, gender, sexual identity, political affiliation, religion, citizen-status, etc.
wake up.
to all of you calling for blood: you're as bad as cops who kill innocents, and revolutionaries who kill innocents for that matter. that, though, raises this question: are any of us innocent. through participation in our culture of violence, oppression, and materialism (aka civilization) we are all complicit (guilty) to some degree of all the atrocities listed above. some of us are more guilty than others. remember- those who oppress us, those who kill us and rape mother earth, those who support those who do, all have names. they all have addresses. they are all vulnerable.
they also all have families.
let's have a bit more compassion for them than they do for us.
i'm not saying that violence against property or even other humyns is never justified... it is often the only solution. BUT it should always ALWAYS be the last solution.
the revolution is not the killing of our oppressors, but taking control of our own lives. difficult to do at the point of some pigs gun, but true nonetheless.
voting gets us no where, a slave that chooses between two masters is still a slave... but now is not the time for violent revolution. to begin now is to invite the iron heel to thoroughly trounce us and make life even worse for the people we want to set free.
i don't know the solution, but i do know that killing police officers simply because they are police officers is NOT IT.
you'rs for the real revolution~ namaste'
j.
by Stephen
Friday Nov 29th, 2002 8:59 PM
This is odd. I found ]out today that madaleine albright said the death of 1/2 million iraqi children was *worth it* to secure the region.
Is the death of one policeman, similarly, worth it, to create a dialogue? I mean, the Sept11 thing was creating a lot of dialogue, ppl were questioning the issues...and now we are just backlashing into further and more violent expressions.

So, hmm. Kill the cops until the brutality ceases?
Boycott the media until they offer balance?

Now look, in ref. to the person who made the point about bored, over-educated liberal utopianism...The only good thing about all this utopian stuff is, it gets us thinking...and perhaps in this land of big statements, we need equally big protests...But why life?? Can:t you destroy property instead? Life is sacred.

Violence is the response of the brute.

thanks for your comments, the action is inspiring, but I sure hope it doesn:t happen again.

No War On Iraq!!
by adam rockwood
Sunday Dec 1st, 2002 8:51 PM
just to get back to the point...

Officer David Mobilio was murdered leaving behind a wife of 6 years and 19 month old son.

His death was a pointless act that has left many people asking why their friend or family member was taken away from them at such a young age.

Before you write your coldhearted, ignorant excuses on behalf of the killer andrew McCrae or whatever his true name is, think of how you would explain his beliefs that resulted in the death of my friend to his son when he is old enough to understand why his father was taken away from him before he knew who his father really was.

How would you feel? Try it for a second.

Nothing can justify the actions of the killer, his manifesto is an excuse for an action that is inexcusable.







by bibbitt
Friday Dec 6th, 2002 1:43 PM
*sigh* already I see people saying.. "well, if iraq didn't want war they shouldn't have blown up the WTC"

ALREADY PEOPLE ARE FORGETTING THAT IRAQ DOES NOT EQUAL AL-QAEDA!!! THEY ARE TWO COMPLETELY SEPERATE ENTITIES!! AND IF YOU CAN'T SEE THAT, THEN YOU'RE A MORON!!!

*rant*rant*rant*
by Thanks
Friday Dec 6th, 2002 2:46 PM
It's really embarassing some of the ill-informed reactions Greeners have. Asked what should be done with him and they offer some conspiratorial tripe about the government. I think some reality testing is in order, especially that bit about going out into the world and working. A few years ago, I may have thought I'd be radical forever. Evergreen has jaded me, but I think I'll be a better person for it. Life does require some compromise. I'm still never be status quo. Regardless, everybody please STAY SANE!
by jesteele
Friday Feb 21st, 2003 1:02 PM
Too bad that people reasonably upset with the status quo, Ted Kaczynski included, are driven to insane acts like this one. Where is the reasonable public dialog on these issues? It is kept off the airwaves by greed, it is censored from the press by intellectual dishonesty; it is driven from the classrooms by intolerance. We have all lost much.
by cannabis_flower
(cannabis_flower [at] yahoo.com) Sunday Mar 2nd, 2003 7:33 AM
I want to respond to this:
non cops? by a non cop Wednesday November 27, 2002 at 12:50 PM
police officers and other law enforcement personel are there because the city hires them. the voting people approve of the people who hire them. if the cops are judge jury and executioner, why is it that the cops only show up when the 'non cop' CALLS them for their help? or when the 'non cop' is doing something they know is against the laws that were set up for the protection of the rest of the community.
I have no problem when there is a victim that cops show up to protect. However, I take issue with laws that are set up for "the protection of the community". I would like to know exactly how arresting someone for smoking marijuana or even doing crack for that matter is protecting the community. Before drugs were made illegal heroin cost the same as aspirin. If it was a free market instead of a black market it would likely be a reasonable price again. There would be no need for an addict to rob you to satisfy their addiction. Other than prohibition related crime most drugs do not cause increases in violence and aggression.
by cannabis_flower
(cannabis_flower [at] yahoo.com) Sunday Mar 2nd, 2003 7:44 AM
Typed in my URL wrong.
by M
Saturday Mar 22nd, 2003 9:47 AM

I have waited several months before making this post. Andy is one of my close friends. He and I attended school together at Evergreen. For the record, I had no idea whatsoever what he was going to do. I was just as shocked as everyone else, when I found out he had killed Officer Mobilio.


I'm making this post in hopes of presenting a better understanding of Andy's background. He grew up in small town America truly believing in American ideals. He joined the armed forces thinking he could be a part of supporting those ideals and his country. When he began realizing the truth behind how America operates he became repulsed and shocked. Everything he had believed in turned out to be a sham.


At heart, Andy is a really good person. I don't defend his actions, but I do understand them. He was pissed to find out that the idealistic America that he had been taught to believe in didn't exist. In his ideals, he is more American than 99.9% of those currently in power. And for this he will probably be killed.


As for those of you who wish death upon my friend, I ask, how well do you know him? You judge him by one action. Some of you even go so far as to accuse him of being an accuser. Does anyone else see the sad irony of this? There are others of you that have posted here that express how Andy's case stirs up some conflict in you, all the better. You're closer to understanding him and the situation we all face.

by M
Saturday Mar 22nd, 2003 9:53 AM

I have waited several months before making this post. Andy is one of my close friends. He and I attended school together at Evergreen. For the record, I had no idea whatsoever what he was going to do. I was just as shocked as everyone else, when I found out he had killed Officer Mobilio.


I'm making this post in hopes of presenting a better understanding of Andy's background. He grew up in small town America truly believing in American ideals. He joined the armed forces thinking he could be a part of supporting those ideals and his country. When he began realizing the truth behind how America operates he became repulsed and shocked. Everything he had believed in turned out to be a sham.


At heart, Andy is a really good person. I don't defend his actions, but I do understand them. He was pissed to find out that the idealistic America that he had been taught to believe in didn't exist. In his ideals, he is more American than 99.9% of those currently in power. And for this he will probably be killed.


As for those of you who wish death upon my friend, I ask, how well do you know him? You judge him by one action. Some of you even go so far as to accuse him of being an accuser. Does anyone else see the sad irony of this? There are others of you that have posted here that express how Andy's case stirs up some conflict in you, all the better. You're closer to understanding him and the situation we all face.