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US homeland security to police the Net


Declan McCullagh, CNET News.com

A massive new bureaucracy will play a major role in securing software, hardware and the Net

The overwhelming vote by the Senate on Tuesday approving a Homeland Security Department has cleared the way for massive reorganisation of the federal government that will have a dramatic impact on computer and network security in the US.

The bill -- which sets the stage for the largest federal reorganisation since the Defence Department was formed in 1947 -- does more than reshuffle government agencies. It gives the government a major role in securing operating systems, hardware and the Internet, including allowing for more police surveillance of the Net; punishing malicious computer hackers with up to life in prison; establishing a national clearinghouse for computer and network security work; and spending at least half a billion dollars a year for homeland security research.

President Bush is expected to sign the bill by the end of the month. "The United States Congress has taken a historic and bold step forward to protect the American people by passing legislation to create the Department of Homeland Security," Bush said after the vote. "This landmark legislation, the most extensive reorganisation of the federal government since the 1940s, will help our nation meet the emerging threats of terrorism in the 21st century."

Attorney General John Ashcroft heralded the Senate's 90-9 vote for the massive new bureaucracy, which combines about 170,000 employees from 22 existing agencies, as beginning "a new era of cooperation and coordination in the nation's homeland defence."

Earlier on Tuesday, the Senate voted 52-47, largely along party lines, to reject Democratic amendments to the bill.

The final bill prohibits the Justice Department's proposed citizen-informant program called TIPS (Terrorist Information and Prevention System) and rejects "the development of a national identification system or card." But privacy advocates and civil libertarians remain worried about the negative consequences of such a sweeping reorganisation of law enforcement functions with little oversight.

In a statement calling for more supervision of law enforcement practices, the Centre for Democracy and Technology said the plan "raises serious concerns about the privacy of Americans" by granting the government "substantial -- and potentially invasive -- authorities to compile, analyse and mine the personal information of millions of Americans".

Technology companies, on the other hand, praised the plan, which promises to be a cash cow for businesses that develop security products.

AeA, a trade group representing technology companies, in particular applauded a provision that would require the government to focus on small businesses.

"Some of the most cutting-edge technologies are being developed in smaller firms, but we are frequently lost in the shadow of the big guys," Michele Wong, chief executive officer of Synergex and an AeA board member, said in a statement.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is one of many large technology companies looking to further expand its government contracts into the homeland security arena. The company has named a new internal federal director of homeland security to work with the government on information technology issues.

After the federal reorganisation is complete, the new department will mash together five agencies that currently divvy up responsibility for "critical infrastructure protection." Those are the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Centre, the Defence Department's National Communications System, the Commerce Department's Critical Infrastructure Assurance Office, an Energy Department analysis centre, and the Federal Computer Incident Response Centre.

Policing the Net
A last-minute addition to the bill last week, before the House approved it by a 299-121 vote, is the 16-page Cyber Security Enhancement Act. It stiffens prison terms for hackers, expands the ability of police to conduct Internet or telephone eavesdropping without first obtaining a court order, and grants Internet providers more latitude to disclose information about subscribers to police.

Another addition, which was opposed by open-government activists and journalist groups, says that information businesses give the department that's related to "critical infrastructure" will not be subject to the Freedom of Information Act. That could include details on virus research, security holes in applications, or operating system vulnerabilities.

Included in the bill is a Homeland Security Advanced Research Projects Agency (HSARPA), modelled after the Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency, which will receive at least $500m (£323m) a year to fund the development of new technologies. According to the bill, HSARPA will "promote revolutionary changes in technologies that would promote homeland security, advance the development (of technologies), and accelerate the prototyping and deployment of technologies that would address homeland vulnerabilities".

The final version of the mammoth, 484-page bill also does the following:

* Establishes an office that is designed to become "the national focal point for work on law enforcement technology". Categories include computer forensics, tools for investigating computer crime, firearms that recognise their owner, and DNA identification technologies. The office also is charged with funding the development of tools to help state and local law enforcement agencies thwart computer crime.

* Creates a Directorate for Information Analysis and Infrastructure Protection that is charged with analysing vulnerabilities in systems including the Internet, telephone networks, and other critical infrastructures.

* Orders the creation of "a comprehensive national plan for securing the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States" including information technology, financial networks and satellites.

* Requires all federal agencies, including the CIA, the Defence Department, and National Security Agency, to provide the new department with any "information concerning the vulnerability of the infrastructure of the United States."

* Punishes any department employee with one year in prison for disclosing details that are "not customarily in the public domain" about critical infrastructures.

* Creates a privacy representative and a civil liberties officer to ensure that the department follows reasonable "privacy protections relating to the use, collection and disclosure of personal information."

* Orders the department to provide technical assistance and confidential warnings of potential vulnerabilities to companies that operate "critical information systems."

* Allows the department to create a national corps of volunteers to "assist local communities to respond and recover from attacks on information systems and communications networks."

* Creates a Homeland Security Institute to perform systems analysis, risk analysis, and simulation and modelling to determine the vulnerabilities of critical infrastructures, including the Internet.

The nine senators who voted against the bill were Democrats Robert Byrd of West Virginia, Paul Sarbanes of Maryland, Daniel Akaka and Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, Fritz Hollings of South Carolina, and Carl Levin of Michigan. Democratic-leaning independent James Jeffords of Vermont also opposed the bill.

News.com's Lisa Bowman contributed to this report.

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by jules
i trust ashcroft - he was govenor of our state and attorney general and HE IS A GOOD MAN
by jakov cherry
oh...everything's ok then.
by uncle sam
we must all speak well of the president and his policies now. who knows who will be the first to be taken away because s/he is a perceived threat?
by jakov cherry
oh...everything's ok then.
by iconoclast
Welcome to the United Police States Of Amerika. Please have your papers with you at all times. It's 1984 folks... 18 years late.
by Historian
This is politics at its best ... Ashcroft worked against a similar bill under the Clinton Administrator which would have opened up the governments ability to read emails .. and now he is running wild with the idea. There has never been a bigger breach of privacy laws in our history. We are not assumed guilty until proven innocent. This truly is a dramatic shift in our legal system and our privacy system.
by Sue
I got no problem with it. I'm not a terrorist nor do I pose a threat to the security of the USA. The only ones who should worry are those who are or want to be a threat.
by John Webster
Voted Republican twenty five years, split ticket five years, and Libertairian one. We have a police state on our hands.

Pay in cash, smile at the officer, and keep your thoughts to yourself.

May God help us all.
by Phillip Baird
Yours is the typical naive answer. Haven't you ever heard the saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely". History is rife with examples of governments misusing power to oppress innocent people, including our own government.
What if the party in power doesn't like your politics, ethnicity, hair color etc. We were given certain rights and freedoms by the constitution for a reason.
by Robert W. JONES (bearcatbob [at] excite.com)
Knowledge is Power (NARPA motto). Power corrupts....and absolute power corrupts ABSOLUTELY. The politicians want the Internet BROKEN and DESTROYED. They are against the "free exchange of ideas" that our founding fathers fought to protect under the first amendment to the Constitution. Remember that our Constitution is the most important set of laws ever written. It sets aside power to the people and FORBIDS the government certain powers. It is about the Only thing that tells government what it CAN"T do. Of course, it is being ignored by many of our elected officials.......and deliberately misinterpreted by others. The Constitution and our civil liberties must be destroyed, so that a single WORLD GOVERNMENT (Tyrannical, of course) can evolve.
by Greg
The issue here is the cyber security bill not the computer security bill. The latter being the one Ashcroft opposed certain amendments to (regarding the government taking control of encryption keys).


That being said, we still have the right to encrypt tele-communications to keep the FBI from reading our email, etc.

We also have the right to fight the admission of improperly obtained information from court room proceedings.

by mike
As we all know, the best solution to any problem is to set up a centralized government agency to deal with it. This has been tried in the Soviet Union, among other countries, and it has worked out very well in every case.

I was going to take a trip to the Soviet Union to find out how the Soviets did it, but I had trouble finding the USSR on a map. Very puzzling. I asked myself: could the Soviet Union have disappeared even though it had a centralized government bureaucracy to deal with all its problems?

But then I realized: hiding the entire country is an ingenious solution to terrorism that only a centralized government bureaucracy could come up with! These guys are geniuses! Thank God for the nimble and nuanced leadership of centralized government bureaucracies!
by Bronco
yay -"interesting times"
by Winston Smith
Aw, everybody relax. It can't happen here. Not in our Brave New America, long after old Orwell predicted. Relax! Just let it happen. Don't panic. Don't resist. You'll see, you'll learn to like it... Besides, depending on what political side of things you're on, you might be safe... Till the opposite party takes over...
by Bill
Personally, I think it is doubleplusbad. I'll work on my newspeak.
by mike
New Miranda warning in conjunction with new Homeland Security Bill

Anything you think can and will be used against you.
by Mike Esse
Resistance is futile…you will be assimilated
by P&Q
I don't believe that to be the case here.

Since 9/11, we have been appalled at how easily the terrorists managed to invade our nation, live in our communities and attack us. From the State Department, which issued them visas, to the INS, which failed to go after them when many violated the provisions of their admission, to the FBI, which ignored warnings from its own agents, to flight instructors at FAA-approved schools, who thought little or nothing of accepting cash from Middle Eastern men who wanted to learn to take off in jumbo jets but not land, our government failed miserably to protect us. Having been jolted from our apathetic state, we would be doubly foolish not to do everything possible to make up for the head start they have in this war.

We have unknown hundreds, perhaps thousnads, of people living among us whose objective is to undermine our government and the liberties we celebrate. One of the reasons we have had a lenient immigration policy towards those nations that bear us ill will is our uninformed and naive belief that once they see how wonderfully free we are, they will "convert" and become advocates of and participants in democracy. That may work for some Communists, but it won't work with terrorists, who use our good intentions against us.

Inattention to one's health can produce diseases that require radical surgery instead of the easier treatments that accompany early detection. If we must pay an uncomfortable price of wiretaps and e-mail interceptions because we refused to heed the early warning sighns, so be it. It beats the alternative of nerve gas in subways, poisoned water supplies and explosions, which would cause thousands of additional deaths.

Ask yourself whether you would prefer the government doing what must be done to better protect us, or whether you prefer that a bunch of activists feel good. For most Americans, I suspect this won't be a close call.
by Ryan (ryan_a_edwards [at] yahoo.com)
What you fail to realize, Sue, is that many, many governments have 'found' threats where ever convenient and 'liquidated' them.
No one on this page is or plans to be a 'threat' to the people of the United States. But if the government perceives itself to be threatened by ordinary citizens who disagree with its policies, this bill gives it legal grounds to monitor them.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin
The ability to move about the country, transact business and communicate ideas without Uncle Sam spying on us is and essential liberty.
by mike
<Inattention to one's health can produce diseases that require radical surgery instead of the easier treatments that accompany early detection.>

In other words, we have to destroy the village in order to save it.

No thanks. I'll take my chances living in an open society where people, not distant, undemocratic bureaucracies, take charge of fighting terrorism. And that includes the terrorism of right wing oligarchies like the Bush Administration as well as of Islamist terrorists.
by michael
"No thanks. I'll take my chances living in an open society where people, not distant, undemocratic bureaucracies, take charge of fighting terrorism."

It's not your choice.

"right wing oligarchies like the Bush Administration"

Let me rephrase. It's not your chioce if you conceive the above statement as being based in any reality. People who think (?) like that don't deserve a choice. Nor will they get a choice. You can't leave people like that alone in a house with medicine that doesn't have child-protector tops, much less leave inportant issues like our countrys safety and security to someone who actually believes baloney like that. And we won't.
by Adolphe von Wolfangel
Ausweiss Bitte!!
by John Akridge (johnw [at] akridge.net)
In regards to Lisa Bowmans article on Homeland Sec. I for one feel much safer. If your not a terrorist or doing illegal things that could compromise our country's security then what do you have to worry about? Also, what is the alternative? If we do nothing (which seems to be the liberal point of view) the innevitable next attack will certainly due to the lack of the current administrations preventative maintenence. I guess thats why the libs dont like the plan b/c they want the republicans to 'trip up' more than anything else, even their own safety.
by mike
<Let me rephrase. It's not your chioce if you conceive the above statement as being based in any reality. <People who think (?) like that don't deserve a choice. Nor will they get a choice. You can't leave people like that alone in a house with medicine that doesn't have child-protector tops, much less leave inportant issues like our countrys safety and security to someone who actually believes baloney like that. And we won't.>


Hey, you must be a lotta fun at parties! And you were appointed by---?

Name me one country that has ever succesfully defended itself against terrorism by setting up huge government bureacracies and issuing fatwas, like yours, against enemies of the state.

By the way, 9/11 was an indirect consequence of the U.S.'s creating the Afghan terror network in the 1980s. The CIA was kind enough, in partnership with the Special Forces, to train most of the original 1993 World Trade Center bombers. And the Afghan case is only one example. You can't fight individual terrorism unless you also fight state terrorism.
by harry
fourth amendment rest in peace. the federal government has just declared all of us are criminals. if does not like what we read, what we say, or where we go in cyberspace, it can declare us enemies of the state and lock us up without ever getting a court ordered warrant. anybody remember what happened to richard jewel when he tried to be helpful and alert authorities to the presence of a suspicious backpack at the olypics in 1996 ? well that could be you or any other law abiding citizen who in the all knowing eyes of the government is "acting" suspiciously. we are know all guilty until we can prove ourselves innocent !!!!!!!!!
by harry
fourth amendment rest in peace. the federal government has just declared all of us are criminals. if does not like what we read, what we say, or where we go in cyberspace, it can declare us enemies of the state and lock us up without ever getting a court ordered warrant. anybody remember what happened to richard jewel when he tried to be helpful and alert authorities to the presence of a suspicious backpack at the olypics in 1996 ? well that could be you or any other law abiding citizen who in the all knowing eyes of the government is "acting" suspiciously. we are know all guilty until we can prove ourselves innocent !!!!!!!!!
by Did You Vote? (haorktl77 [at] imaedsi.com)
Protecting us from terrorism is not the reason for the new dept. of Homeland Security, and it's invasions of privacy.

This is but a smokescreen to line pockets, and protect our leaders, and big business from scrutiny, protest and openess. Already most legal and public displays of dissent or protest come with police videotaping and identifying the participants. Soon this information will be used to limit the mobillity and voice of anyone with an opinion valuing life over profits, and truth over power.

Faced with this threat to our right to speak out against greed and injustice, it may seem futile to stand up for the safety and quality of life of people around the globe, over globalization's voracious appetite for cheap labor and natural resources. But the truth is, People all over the globe agree whenever they are told the truth and see the facts for themselves.

We don't want to live in polluted areas.
We don't want to eat Genetically Altered food.
We don't want poison water.
We don't want dirty air.
We don't want to be spyed on.
WE DONT WANT WAR!

We want protection from unbridaled greed, which leads to all manner of harm.
We want corporations to be punished when they harm us.
We want individual heads of corporations to be held responsible.
We want our leaders to listen to us and answer our questions truthfully.
We want leadres to be held responsible for their crimes against humanity.

History teaches us that when we sponsor terrorism around the globe, we often face terror at home.
Sadly our misguided foriegn policies are currently exporting pain, and suffering to much of the worlds poor.
While the caring among us are also sending much humanitarian aid.

Our president, and congress make more money from war, and the terror of greedy polluting corporations then from peace and socially helpful or enviornmentally sound corporations.

On the Tonite Show Friday, Tom Ridge reiterated the Presidents position that the War on Terror will be permanent. How convienient for the Merchants of Death... A permanent state of war.
A way to defelct any criticism - "soft on Terror"
A source of unlimited wealth - permanent war
An excuse for ANY infringement of the right to privacy.
An excuse for ANY disreguard of civil or human rights around the globe.

Republican and Democratic citizens all around the country SHOULD BE OUTRAGED, and VOTE in the next election to remove these Tyrannical maniacs from office as soon as possible.

Stand for Peace. Violence is wrong.
by Rich
To jules:

A good quote to remember.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
by Texas
I'm an ex-patriot living in Australia and I want to tell you that the majority of you, with the exception of a few real surviving Americans (you know who you are) are nothing but vile trailer park trash who are going to die screaming. You deserve everything the government is going to do to you, assuming you live long enough for the government to get around to killing you.

Most of you are a shameful dysgenic embarrassment to me and I am proud to say you represent a strong divergent from my gene pool with little in common with my good healthy anglo stock.

Benjamin Franklin was smarter, more talented and much more perceptive than any of those recovering crackheads currently governing that pathetic nation. He predicted correctly that nothing you do is going to save you - no matter how pathetic and submissive you are to your oligarchy ... don't you know anything at all about human history?

Most of you subhumans belong as extras standing in the crowd in 1984 heckling Winston Smith. Nobody is going to pity you when terrorists slip across your open borders and vanish into your "multicultural" society to tear your civilization apart from inside. You deserve what happens to you.

America will be smoking radioactive rubble before the end of the decade and the survivors will be engaged in a race war that makes the Balkans pale by contrast. Remember, those of you who refuse to think cannot posit the government between you and the natural forces of Darwinian selection. You are a genetically, intellectually and physically inferior group of people and standardized IQ testing proves it. Nothing the government can do can prevent your rendevous with your own just biological desserts.

In the meanwhile, you should sign up and go die to make the world safe for Israel, at least you can serve some useful function before you are extinguished like limp wicks.

The entire country is just one big Jerry Springer episode now. Don't invoke the words and deeds of my ancestors, you cattle. The empty phrases sound like thorns bubbling in a kettle coming from your mouths. Stupid football watching morons cannot and never shall be free, not for so much as a day.

Pack your rice, those few remaining who have American blood in your veins. The American experiment has come to an end with the signing of this document.
by Remowitz Chebordnik
United States of Oppression

Remember--from now on, you are being watched!
by Chicago
You are a racist coward. If you were really the American you suggest you are and really believe the country is going down the tubes then why would you run away and live in another country? You try to hide your extreme race beliefs but every sentence you write stinks of them. I'm glad I live in a country that the likes of you are too scared to live in.
§_
by (8?»
Recovering crackheads???? Are you trying to imply those corporate puppets have bottomed? Besides to focus on crack is to miss the real drug here...
by harry
fourth amendment rest in peace. the federal government has just declared all of us are criminals. if does not like what we read, what we say, or where we go in cyberspace, it can declare us enemies of the state and lock us up without ever getting a court ordered warrant. anybody remember what happened to richard jewel when he tried to be helpful and alert authorities to the presence of a suspicious backpack at the olypics in 1996 ? well that could be you or any other law abiding citizen who in the all knowing eyes of the government is "acting" suspiciously. we are know all guilty until we can prove ourselves innocent !!!!!!!!!
by WILBUR DAVIS (mechanicfx86 [at] aol.com)
ASHCROFT WAS TRYING TO KEEP ALGORE FROM TAXING THR NET. POLICING, O.K., AFTER 9-11; TAXING NEVER O.K.
by Richard Smith
The government Kills the internet now terrorists will use the good ole' Us Mail!
by Nik
THIS IS THE NEW WORLD ORDER. BOW BEFORE YOUR ILLUMINATI OVERLORDS OR PAY THE PRICE!!
by stevie
Wow. It takes an extremely brave person to spout off at the mouth like that - especially when he's on the other side of the GLOBE. How dare a person like you even refers to our country's forefathers as ancestors when you choose not to change what isn't right but rather relocate to more favorable conditions. Remember that you are doing nothing for your country and I hope the forfathers of those that fight for what is right see how worthless you are.
by John Johnson (respecialist [at] email.msn.com)
When will you realize Bush is a coward.

Big Talk no Walk.
If he and the republicans want to control this country with the gestapo tactics/Ashcroft/Conservetive montra, lets go. If the agenda is to control the free flow of information via the internet the "liberal Media" is next.

Bush is a coward.
He is a polilitico of the best dictorates.
I hope I use the right words to attract internet security black shirt attention.

I awaiat your answer
by Lee Coursey (lee [at] leecoursey.com)
I think we should all take a minute and relax. The evil republicans that some of you bash are the ones that are personal freedom advocates, unlke the liberals who pushed federal ID programs.

I think there will be some adjustment of the lealities of this bill - but that's the amazing thing! Our legal system works! We have JUSTICE! Besides, how many of you that claim this bill rings in the end time actually took the time to call your congressman and tell him the facts that made you decide to oppose it?

I don't see many hands going up...
by L. Kasel (lfk [at] kasel.com)
If you are against this how about some alternatives. Many will complain but and nothing else. Of course we don't want intrusion into our e-mail. Do you really think ANY bureaucracy is big enough to read every e-mail sent? Key words, phrases, terms, senders or recipients will flag certain messages which will be reviewed.

The problem will come if the "government" wants to get a person or organization. This is where the safeguards need to be implemented. So - we are going to be screened. Let's use our energies to make sure there is not abuse of the screening. As an afterthought, it seems the last administration did a lot of abusing. Right?
by just a suggestion
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by Lance Thomas
Moscow got it right...this IS a police state, re-publikan, demorat, green flake or lie-beral...it does not matter!
They are all in this NWO crap and taking US down the road to tyranny!!!!! Butsh is a skull and boner like his dad!........Illuminati is on a roll! Best we can hope for is they start offing each other in their power hunger-fest, like Hitler did when he got into power. A few may not want to hear this, but the Bible tells the story and how it shall end, we are there!!!!!!
"If my people will call upon My Name and seek My face I will heal there land"........and maybe give us some Constitutional leaders!
Amen!
by expatkllr
I'm glad a pussyfag, run away and hide, white trash loser like you doesn't live in the US anymore. Good Fuckin Riddance! You Never were an American, only an aussie in disguise. -AND STAY OUT!!!
by been there, done that
You're probably only saying that because you've never been falsely accused of a crime and then bought your way out of it.
just goes to show, who ever you vote for, the government will always win.
by the Goose
Goodbye America, hello police state plutocracy! I hate to admit it, but I'm beginning to wonder if most of my fellow citizens are morons, or at least terribly ignorant of what this country's supposed to be about. After all, if it's true that half of all respondents in a recent survey couldn't name even 1 U.S. senator (not even one of the 2 that represent them), then how can you expect these people to know or care about how their rights and freedoms are being stripped?
by JLC
Everyone calling George Bush a coward needs to think real hard about that. If terrorists were trying to fly a plane into their house (like the plane in PA) would they get in their car and run, or would they "Bravely" stay inside just daring them on... pretending the terrorists don't exist. Think about it people. And for those who hate our government that much VOTE, don't just sit at home spinning wild conspiracy theories like they're going out of style (BTW they are!) I've personally had enough of those Liberal, America hating wackos claim, 1. We never landed on the moon,
2. The automobile is the greatest threat to face the planet (AL GORE)
3. The center of all evil on the planet is America especially the police, the military and conservatives
4. What happened on sep 11, was not airplanes flown by terrorists like manned torpedos into the WTF and pentagon, but an organized conspiracy to blow up buildings so we can have a war to boost an illigitamite president's ratings.
5. When in fact it is the radical LEFT wing that tried to steal the last presidential election with rigged ballot boxes and <Gasp> felon voting! Especially in DEMOCRAT controlled florida counties! (janet reno tried that stunt herself and failed!)

So get a life, get connected to reality and stop watching conspiracy shows, it might just let your anti-paranoia medicine work!

BTW if you don't like this country, you can, like that AUSSIE, get out! In the socialist utopia you'd like to bring about, if you tried to leave, you'd get SHOT!
by Franklin Stein
Since we'd best not feed the vultures hovering over the corpse of America, let us remember the several Senators who voted against this disavowal of the purposes of the original Revolution, and resolve that only they shall receive any donations in future campaigns, with money from our private purses only otherwise available to fresh faces who have vowed to truly serve the liberty of the people.
by Waldo D. Langaler
I have come to the conclusion that America is starting to step into an era that is the making of the Beast where goverment will start to use the mark which is a chip in it's people. This is the easiest way for credit control, and firearms reconition and goverment always takes the easiest cheapest way. Bush is to be known as the father of this Beast. That is Bush's christian legecy. All we really had to address is the inability of our goverment to cross comunicate not this massize loss of our privicy. Cash has be gone too so goverment control all or libertys and freedoms
by pointer
http://subversivetalk.com/thisweek.html

(snip)

Well it appears that we have all been sentenced to a life term, without the possibility of parole, to the Maximum Homeland Security Prison of America, Inc. This is in line with America's penchant for no muss, no fuss solutions to sticky situations. You've heard of the three-strike sentencing law? Well this is the no-strike sentencing law. No strikes and you're out. Wow!

I don't know about you, but I feel safer already. Those pesky terrorists don't stand a chance now.

Seriously, what is there to worry about? I've got nothing to hide. Almost nothing anyway.

(snip)
by McT
You believe the 'information' about 'terrorists' that your government is calculatingly feeding you? I am Australian, and due to our Government's sad devotion to your vicious empire, we are now in danger of terrorist attack. I thank you, and your Orwellian nightmare.
by SF fan AU

a) the eugenic attitude of the white-pride racist from Texas won't go down well in Australia.

b) the previous Australian demonstrates an ignorance of the stolen election, and ignorance of the lack of support for the Bush junta, and an ignorance of the USAmerican contribution to counter-culture - which is kinda ironic while posting to SF. I apologize for the ignorance of my compatriot.

c) code orange and not-so-gullible - audio clip - only 20K - already loaded - press play.

by James Talley (fireman [at] yahoo.com)
L@@k at the form I just had to fill out just to post this message! What data base is it being stored in? Who can look at it....Homeland security... to see my views??? See my point! WE ARE LETTING THIS HAPPEN! Vote for Howard Dean 2004. He shot down EVERY gun bill that came across his desk while Vermont Governor. He TRULY follows the constitution! HE proved that in Vermont!
by James Talley (fireman [at] yahoo.com)
L@@k at the form I just had to fill out just to post this message! What data base is it being stored in? Who can look at it....Homeland security... to see my views??? See my point! WE ARE LETTING THIS HAPPEN! Vote for Howard Dean 2004. He shot down EVERY gun bill that came across his desk while Vermont Governor. He TRULY follows the constitution! HE proved that in Vermont!
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