Marin Women Embody Peace

I sure hope this catches on.

!BRAVEE! !BRAVEE! !BRAVEE!

Sounds pretty sexist and immature to me.

Is there a way we can get them to spell 'antidisestablishmentarianism"?

Beautiful and brave to lay naked in the rain
for a just message.

This is the most beautiful "Peace" sign I've ever seen!
I would like to enlarge it into a poster and display it in my front window, with all do credit of course.
Thank you uppity women!

I'm only counting 45.

WOW!! I organized a Peace March and Rally in Westport, CT. but this is outstanding. Maybe we'll try it here, too.

WOW!! I organized a Peace March and Rally in Westport, CT. but this is outstanding. Maybe we'll try it here, too.

"They wanted to unveil the truth about the horrors of war, to commune in their nudity with the vulnerability of Iraqi innocents, and to shock a seemingly indifferent Bush Administration into paying attention."

Indifferent? Hasn't President Bush made clear that he intends to liberate those Iraqi innocents?

You mean discorporate; with thermoberic and
cluster bombs? 20 mm cannon to clear buildings
and napalm? You should be so lucky.

wow.....what a peaceful smorgasbord

All we will reap from this war is wholesale civilian casualties from the terrorism it generates. This isn't about sending soldiers to get killed. This is about dying ourselves. We're not safe here. There is no defense against a determined terrorist, none, zero, zilch, nada.

Yikes. This guy is a little too convenient: I'm inclined to believe that he is just posing as a service member to see if he can push some buttons. I think he's more likely some bored 15-year-old trolling for a reaction; the conservatives I know are not (by and large) filled with venomous hate.
But important art *can* challenge people, so maybe that's what's happening here ... PEACE to all ...

"IMPORTANT ART"??? I think not. This is just a gang of bored, privileged West Marin pukes indulging themselves. The only message I'm getting from this is: "Our grey-bearded, pony-tailed Sensitive Mates haven't pronged since 9/11, so we're going to put our drooping goods on display to the world and call it 'art' and 'protest'"!

You are a disgrace to this country and I am furious you would even think I would support you and your aggressive baby-killing tactics of collateral damage. Help you recruit[?]. Who, top guns to reign [sic] death and destruction upon nonwhite peoples throughout the world? Are you serious sir? Resign your commission and serve your country with honour....September 11 can be blamed in part for what you and your cohorts have done to Palestinians, the VC, the Serbs, a retreating army at Basra. You are unworthy of my support

To the naked women of Marin:
Please kill yourselves.

What a dick head.

I've got a pretty big yard. Can someone check to see if these women would mind doing this on my lawn? That would be wicked cool.

This obviously was not an anti-bush demonstration, for the most part eschewing the pre-teen bare-pubis fad. More power to those who wear their bushes proudly!

"This obviously was not an anti-bush demonstration, for the most part eschewing the pre-teen bare-pubis fad. More power to those who wear their bushes proudly!"

Are you a jerk all on your own, or were you just brought up that way?

There is ONE defense agiainst a terrorist...KILL HIM. Kill him, all his friends and everyone around him. Isn't that, after all, what they want to do to us? And spare me the "lower ourselves to his level" nonsense. That kind of thinking is his greatest weapon. Make it real expensive to even ATTEMPT an act of terror, and soon the neighbors down the block won't be so eager to support Mohammed the bombmaker any more.

"There is ONE defense agiainst a terrorist..."

Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Ashcroft are the worlds largest terrorists...

"Is the fat chick for scale?"

Oh, hey, don't forget to go scream and rave about free speech in the editorial thread when your really stupid post gets censored, son

That girl ain't for Scale.
She ate the five girls who didn't make it into the picture.

Sexist slurs are no different that racist slurs.

The comment was not a sexist or racist slur, it was an overweight slur. Rich women with all this money should try sharing some of the wealth and pitch in for a happy meal or two.

Whats wrong with this picture? Seemingly nothing, even I am all for truckload of women getting buck ass naked. Do it in an orderly fassion for a cause, sounds even better to me. But doing it out of sheer stupidity? Now thats a waste of a gaggle of nikit lady. This protest was organized by a 72 year old "artist" named Donna Sheehan (who I hope to GOD is not pictured!) who's recent fear of a war aginst Iraq scared her so shitless that she conned 50 girls to strip and let her take pictures of them. Now useally in america this is called good porn tactics. Similar to when their 50 boyfriends got them drunk, pulled out the video camera and winked. Donna was quoted saying "I just thought, 'What can I do? What can we do? It's a desperate feeling. Well, this is what I did, and every other woman who was there felt like they were doing something for peace." Desperation is what the rest of America feels at the likely possiability that a quack with an army of religious extreemists and nothing to loose may have some nukes pointed at us. Desperation is how I felt when I heard this story. Worrying about Sadam, and the few morons who would hold a gun aginst the US and it's allies well being? Well thats just inconsiderate to the rest of us who don't want our majior cities being microwaved on high by Iraqi nuclear missisles. Another quote from the organizers of this little fiasco "Women from all ages and walks of life took off their clothes, not because they are exhibitionists but because they felt it was imperative to do so,"
There have been times i felt it imparitive to take off my clothes too. namely, when showering, swimming, scrumping, or letting the elderly couplein the car behind me know I'm extreemly stoned (that happened only once!) But impending attacks aginst military targets in Iraq? Well shocking as it is, I never felt the desperate need to be photographed nude for THAT cause. Look Donna, if being afraid of what we're going to do to Iraq made you get 50 girls together and pose nude, then the thought of what Iraq might do to us should have you and your friends starring in the action packed adult film "Donna Does Dallas".
Now I understand that these woman want their voices to be heard, and their opinions to be expressed, and as much as I hate to, I must go back to my last topic, femmenism. Where the FUCK are the femmenists now? Last time I checked, the men of america got theirselvs expressed and heard through intellictual debate and conversation. All of this while wearing clothes! Next time one of my femmenist friends walks up to me wanting to express their views on peace, and the numerous wrongings America is causing in the middle east I will simply reply "show me your tits and I'll listen." Why not? This popular thinking seems to be shared by arather large womans movement group! Now if it takes a poster of nude women to spread the message of peace, I should remind miss Sheehan and her 50 lackeys that in almost every beer drinking, pot smoking college student's dorm room there is a big ass poster for peace. Useally involving, frogs, psycodellic colours, or Bob and his infamous J. the message of peace has been spread, without using sex, nudity, or blatent stupidity. And who are we trying to apeal to anyways? In America, most everyone will agree that we want peace. I don't like war any more than Donna and her bleeding heart porn friends do. So are we trying to reason with the radioactive mass destruction toting Iraqi's? Must be. Well Donna hasn't done her homework on the Islamic nations. Women, barely allowed to expose their eyes, say nothing about their views don't hold a lot of weight in the Iraqi government. But rest assured ladies, your nude picture spelling "peace" in english will finally show them the light. After seeing it, they won't become infurated with your blatent mocking of their culture and decide to strike us first. No they'll have tea with you and come to the same conclusion all grass smoking, berkinstock wearing, nude lawn ordimates such as yourself come to. "War is like bad, so we should like do something" In fact the next issue of People magazine will feature the Iraqi army, striped down to their nuts and bolts spelling out the words "POINTLESS GESTURE"... trust me, it'll happen.
One of the girls, Cynthia Clarkson, said "I’m hoping it gets distributed so that the message gets across that women in America want peace,"
Well most of the guys in Ameirca want piece too, and if women were as willing to get nude for random guys as they are for Saddam Hussien, we'd have peace throughout America... and Cynthia, you can quote ME on that.
To hell with Donna, and the other women involved. You've not only managed to fuck up the peace in the middle east cause, but the femmenist movement you're supposedly supporting as well.
And that brings us up to date on stupidity in america. I'm your host, siging off...

I just returned from Marin where I was confronted again with the Marin elite limo liberals and their asinine whims. These rich folks are far too bored with life and have to make it up as they go. The only thing good about Marin is Mt. Tamalpais and the remote beaches. The rich people suck!

I find the discussion of sexism and racism and consequently, censorship rather intreging. Forgive my spelling, for I am not of your land. Does this picture represent the demographics of Marin? I guess the servants were busy washing cloths.

There aren't any. Israel is the one with the nukes, not iraq.

>>>Yup, it got hidden, alright
by what do you expect

Power is addictive.

in here, racists, sexists and warmongers do not have the power. As such, this place is is the very model of a livable future. We're setting an example and proving it can be done. Ordinary people really can take the power away from racists, sexists and warmongers. But it can't be done by begging our rulers to let it happen or by electing a different brand of puppets for them to manipulate. It can only be done by direct action. If you don't like that racists, sexists and warmongers run our world, take it away from them. If they don't like it, tough.

>>As such, this place is is the very model of a livable future. We're setting an example and proving it can be done.

And you're doing it through power. Addictive as hell, isn't it?

Indymedia doenst make a good model of the world unless one sees the people who maintain the site as workers and everyone else living off the fruits of their labor (but since Indymedia exists for its users not its maintainers this isnt a good comparison) If it was a good comparison I guess it would be syndicalism?

Actually, we're volunteers. We're working towards a world in which all workers are volunteers. If you *have* to work, you're a slave.

Actually, if you have to work you are not letting others carry you along. The proletariat provides the services necessary to allow society to function. In prehistoric times, people worked all day to provide food and shelter. Were they slaves as well?
People who "have" to work have needs that aren't taken care of them by someone else. They are trying to provide for themselves and their families.
People who don't have to work are privileged. That privelege comes from the blood of the worker. By assuming superiority to the worker, you have placed yourself among the dictator class (which is probably where you are). Don't throw out terms like slavery to indicate that you are liberated. Your lily white, uncalloused hands are useless against opression. Workers are not slaves. We are alive.

You know, after reading all those negative comments about what these women did, no wonder we are at risk of war. If someone dropped a bomb in the name of peace, then I could understand the negativity. Come on people, they were sending a message of peace and any message of peace should be supported, whether it will really make a difference or not. How would you send your message of peace? How would you like it if others put you down for something you believe strongly about? What about freedom of speech? And for those guys out there that insist on making fat jokes, you must be extremely insecure with yourselves, unlike that woman whom was not insecure about showing herself for a message! I would much rather see a bunch of women naked on a lawn than hear your immature sexist comments! Hmph! Just cause you don't have the guts to try and make a difference. As far as those women go, good luck with your fight for peace.

>Actually, if you have to work you are not letting others carry you along.

Work is for robots. In twenty years, 97% of all work will be automated. In forty years, it all will. Read Kurzweil:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P5F056682

This is the 21st century. Your analysis is stuck in the 19th. Even then, Marx’s analysis of class was bogus. Class is not about economics. Economics is about class. Class is about dominance and submission. It’s not about how much money you make. It’s about the giving and taking of orders. There are three classes, not four. They are masters, slaves and outlaws. You can belong to more than one class. A straw boss, for example is both a master and a slave. A fence with a crew who pays off the cops is a master, a slave and an outlaw.

What are you?


>In prehistoric times, people worked all day to provide food and shelter.

If by “prehistoric” you mean hunter-gatherer times, this simply untrue. In no extant hunter-gather society does obtaining sustenance require more than three to four hours a day.


>People who "have" to work . . . . provide for themselves and their families.

Only a fraction of our labor goes to provide for ourselves and our families. Most is sucked from our necks by bosses, landlords and bankers.



>People who don't have to work are privileged.

Nobody has to work for bosses, landlords and bankers. If you do, you’re an accomplice. Get over it. Work for yourself.



>Your lily white, uncalloused hands are useless against opression.

You’re making unwarranted assumptions. I’m white, but so what. people who use the word “white” as a pejorative are racists. That means you are a racist. So f*ck you. F*ck all racists. You’re the scum of the earth.

As for the callouses, the fact is, I slung wrenches for most of my life. Before that I hung drywall. Before that I carried a hod. Oh yeah, and once for a year I shoveled sh*t in an animal research facility. For a couple months before that, I was a file clerk in an office. It sucked. That’s why I took up shoveling sh*t. They started me in on dog shit, but pretty soon I’d worked my way clear up to monkey sh*t, no mean feat in only a year. Most guys worked years before they got clean up after the moneys. When it finally dawned on me that the place I worked seemed to be doing bio-war research, and that my pay was not commensurate with the danger, I quit. They also did mind control research there. You may have heard of Delgado. I took care of his brain implanted cats. It was pretty depressing. As soon as my shift was over, I’d go straight home and get wasted. It was no way to live. So I quit. I told off the straw boss one day and stomped out in a huff. I didn’t even go back for my last paycheck. Screw those guys. I don’t want their money.

Hanging drywall, on the other hand, is deeply satisfying. We turned some truly uninhabitable buildings and turned them into livable homes. Most workers, at least in America, neither produce nor transport goods. They shuffle paper. We actually built something useful. I’m proud of that. Even today, twenty years later, people still live warm and dry because of work I did with my own two hands.

How do you put bread on your table?

Just wondering.



>Workers are not slaves.

Think not? Stop paying rent and see what happens to your family.



>We are alive.

That’s a separate issue. But life as a slave is hardly worth living.

Is yours?

Where are the sherrifs? Why weren't these harridans arrested for indecent exposure?

>>Nobody has to work for bosses, landlords and bankers. If you do, you’re an accomplice.

Do you pay rent? or do you own? or do you do odd jobs to make up for not paying rent?

Pay rent = work for landlord
Own = Work for bank; or if free and clear, work for boss (pay taxes)
Odd Jobs = work for landlord

Or maybe you just freeload (sucking the neck of the rest of society).

"Do you pay rent? or do you own? or do you do odd jobs to make up for not paying rent?
Pay rent = work for landlord
Own = Work for bank; or if free and clear, work for boss (pay taxes)
Odd Jobs = work for landlord"

Sorry, you've been so indoctrinated with McEconomy propaganda you forgot about self-employment. You can be your own boss, you know.

Man oh man, that's just a brilliant idea. Let's just try out-terroring the terrorists. The guys with the biggest guns win. That works great as long as you're on the side with the biggest guns.

Haven't we learned anything from centuries of history? I mean at least, didn't we learn anything from the Godfather movies?


> There is ONE defense agiainst a terrorist...
> KILL HIM. Kill him, all his friends and everyone
> around him. Isn't that, after all, what they want to do
> to us? And spare me the "lower ourselves to his
> level" nonsense. That kind of thinking is his greatest
> weapon. Make it real expensive to even ATTEMPT an
> act of terror, and soon the neighbors down the block
> won't be so eager to support Mohammed the
> bombmaker any more.

"Sorry, you've been so indoctrinated with McEconomy propaganda you forgot about self-employment. You can be your own boss, you know."

Fucking Grow Up! I was making reference to where one lives, not what one does for a living. I'm self-employed. I'm my own boss. But if you think being self-employed means you don't answer to a hundred other little bosses, you got no clue.

Now the statement remains ( and to spell it out to "....." who can't figure it out on his own, we're talking about place of residence):

Do you pay rent? or do you own? or do you do odd jobs to make up for not paying rent?

Pay rent = work for landlord
Own = Work for bank; or if free and clear, work for boss (pay taxes)
Odd Jobs = work for landlord
Or maybe you just freeload (sucking the neck of the rest of society).

Which one do you do?

Since you have CENSORED my post twice i can only assume you are the hypocrites i always knew liberals to be. There you are in San Francisco the gay capitol of the world always in someones face about your sexualality and you can't stand a little gay humor. You are supposed to be the tolerant ones in our soceity and I thought you were against CENSORSHIP in all it's forms. My My what else is new.

You, once again, answered exactly the way I intended.

Pulled electrical wire, etc. - work for Landlord

Blackmailed landlady - sucking the neck of the rest of society.

I own you.

I knew you would answer that way.

Read:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/08/139500_comment.php#1544747

A message from 007.

I own you.

Dear Editor,
My use of the phrase "Lily White" was to imply untouched by the sun. Your skin color was not the issue. However, I do recognize that people of different color are treated different. Call that what you may. But if you really thought the statement was racist, why didn't you sensor it. That is the policy isn't it?

As for the rest, I love my job (Robots be damned). I am sorry that you could not enjoy yours. Maybe you never found your calling. I can see how you got your position as a volunteer at SF INdy. Shoveling manure may indeed be your calling after all.

As long as you're going to wax vatic, you may as well do it pragmatic.

Who do you like in the third at Pimlico tomorrow?

"Paying rent" doesn't mean you work for the landlord as an employee. It is an exchange. It could be equally argued that the landlord works for you, since you have hired him to provide a product for you.

I am confident that women that object to the US entering a possible war, should withold all sex from the men until they get the message. In the opinion of this writer, this is an effective and powerful tool and will get the attention of the world. By the way, I am a male. Thanks for oposing ANY WAR! Happy Thanksgiving.

What these women did was brave and wonderful and strong. You are not worthy to kiss their bare asses. :o) Please...let's see you protest your point in the buff. Maybe you woudln't be so verbose with the wind whistling around your "grey pigtail..."

Jealous loser!

"The real landlord is the bank that holds the mortgage. That guy who thinks he's the landlord is nothing but a glorified property manager. He works for them."

That is IF you have a mortgage. I own all my rental property Free & Clear.

As long as the check clears...............

Looks like the reen Bay Packer cheerleaders!!

ONLY IN MARIN!!!!

I daily send peace from my heart, not only to Iraq, but also to us here in the U.S. and ALL countries, nations, communities, neighborhoods, people and life. I do it quietly. They did it quietly too, in their way. So it goes.

I only count 39.

So Terrorists bomb women and children, and then they and the countries that support/encourage them berate America for thinking about taking military action as a reponse.
We should turn the entire Middle East into a plate of glass just on principle. It's not like the world will lose anything valuable, just some squabbling countries that have been at war for the last 3000 years, a whole lot of sand, and the oil reserves that are helping to pollute our planet.
BTW I'm glad the women felt they had the freedom to lie down nude on the grass. It means our military is still doing it's job, namely protecting the pacifists.

The only thing not good is there weren't any close-ups. Oh, wait! It was a political statement? Gee, I did not know that. ;o) And here I thought those women were going to show and describe their most intimate assets in greater detail as a way of explaining the realpolitik of all this. lol

Oh, yeah! Where my parents were from, we had term to describe them: puta, sin vergüenza, sin moral, sin pudor...

Here, it's just a way of excersizing your right to free expression. Ah, to be a white, rich, European woman...

you wrote:

>>Women of all ages and walks of life took off their clothes not because they are exhibitionists but because they felt it was imperative to shock <<

So I guess that in Marin, people of all walks of life must be white... i didn't see much color in that photo...pretty sad statement..

Do any of these super-privileged honeys ever consider what their lives might be like under the socialist structure that this site gushes over...

I prefer peace myself...but. all this protest activity when we haven't even fired a shot....where were the naked babes when we bombed the sh*t out of Yugoslavia ???

The women of Marin county appear to be racist. Where are the minority women? Are they not good enough to be in your group?

This has got to be about the sickest thing I ever heard since Waco , Tx. These posts show a huge seperation in concepts, I do believe.

A simple and artsy gesture urging peace is devised and some people go barbaric. Get a grip you're gonna need one, the next few years are gonna get hairy from the look of things.....

No wonder the CIA and Cointelpro had such an easy time manipulating the public, so many pulpy brains.

For the rest of you who "get it" good for you. You may find your self on a Federal watch list for not being the easy target for agression, hostility and violence aimed at a politicaly convenient target. I say the draft starts within a short while and a future US President will dodge it flying jet aircraft (in the reserves) while the coke slowly detoxifies from their blood stream. Heh.
Think about it.

This is what it will look like after the terrorists develop the capability to launch chemical weapons on Marin County. Bodies strewn about. Only these women won't be smiling anymore - it will be the terrorists.

This same group of women also dressed up in black plastic bags covering their bodies the other day. Well - if Islam takes over - that’s what women will look like.

John Walker Lindh was from Marin County……its no wonder the boy was confused.

this was a incredible idea to get the point across now they might pay attention