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Israeli made C4 explosive used in Bali bombing
by Mike
Wednesday Oct 16th, 2002 2:33 AM


(OCTOBER 16,2002) Police investigating the deadly bombing of a nightclub in the Indonesian island of Bali in which nearly 200 people died have found traces of plastic explosive manufactured in Israel at the site of the attack.


The discovery of the explosives suggests a sophisticated bombing operation.
Reports from the French news agency AFP say that the head of Indonesian intelligence, Hendropriyono, has disclosed that the explosive was a type known as C4, tracked to a manufacture in Israel.

Forensic process
Identifying components of explosive have been matched to the fascist C4 manufacturer in the rogue state of Israel.
Tests for matches with explosive are conclusive. Tracking the manufacturer through analysis of components in residue.
The agency also cited Indonesian police spokesman Brigadier-General Saleh Saaf as saying that "we have processed the data and we are now really certain that the C4 explosive was made in Israel".

Mossad operations have been exposed in a series of leaked CIA documents and in statements by security officials in the US and Singapore . And are linked to the bombings in Bali

The Saturday night blasts, which are a suspected mossad terror operation followed persistent reports that mossad was operating in the area.
After the massive peace rally in Australia that same weekend, these mossad operations where put into high gear in a deadly way. Mossad terror network operations are working hard to draw the western world into war for Israeli and U.S conquest.

The discovery of traces of Israeli made plastic explosive could be a vital clue to who was responsible.

Military explosive

The Israeli made C4 explosive used in the Bali bombing is a powerful agent manufactured in Israel by the fascist United States and is used widely by the American led axis of evil military forces around the world.

AFP quoted a British manufacturer of C4, Mark Ribband, as saying that it is a white substance that resembles uncooked pastry and needs a detonator to make it explode.

Mr Ribband said that it is "a standard issue, military explosive" the trade in which was controlled carefully.

Clues from components

Explosives experts can tell a lot from the type of explosive used, like who manufactured it and its origin.

A large area was devastated by the explosion in this professionally executed slaughter that was extremely effective in the American fascist’s goal of maximum casualty inflicted

Brian Caddy, Emeritus Professor of Forensic Science at Strathclyde University in Scotland, says that identification might enable investigators to track down the potential sources of the explosive material used.
by leaf
Wednesday Oct 16th, 2002 8:49 AM
no good with no link, sorry.
by Bill da Thief
Wednesday Oct 16th, 2002 1:08 PM
Hide this shit!
Why does this stay, and
this
goes?

by free press
Wednesday Oct 16th, 2002 4:12 PM


There were no previous demands; no terrorist group took responsibility for
the Bali bombing, making it an act of unnecessary carnage. President Bush
'assumed' the Bali explosion was connected to al-Qaeeda and demanded to scan
Indonesia for Muslims. It is our luck he never heard of Atlantis, otherwise
he would assume the continent was sent to the bottom of the sea by the
omnipresent Muslim terrorists. However, important new information came to us
from London, and it allows us to peer through darkness surrounding the
explosion.

Last week, one of the most powerful figures of our days, a colourful Russian
billionaire and media lord, Boris Berezovsky, the man who enthroned Vladimir
Putin and later parted ways with the Russian President, gave an exhaustive
interview[i] to Zavtra, the main Russian opposition weekly in his London
exile. While it is an exciting read for Russia-watchers, it provides a clue
to the Bali mystery.

Three years ago, Russia was shaken by massive explosions. Whole apartment
blocks in Moscow and other cities were stuffed up by extremely powerful
explosive RDX (also called Hexogen in Russia and Germany) and were blown up
by terrorists, causing huge death roll. It was immediately presumed the
Chechen terrorists were behind the acts, and they served as casus belli for
Chechnya War. The Russian people were thoroughly horrified, and supported
the bloody military campaign. Grozny city was bombed and strafed; Chechnya
invaded, thousands lost their life, while two major changes occurred in
Moscow. One, the war of vengeance guaranteed the election of Vladimir Putin
to the post of President and secured positions of pro-American forces in
ex-USSR. Second, Russia was turned against the Muslim world, after one
thousand years of peaceful coexistence, and became a strategic partner for
the US-led and Israel-orchestrated War on Terror.

In his interview last week, Berezovsky claims there were two teams working
to assure the election of Putin. While he personally led one of the teams
acting via his TV channel, the second team chose a violent path. Berezovsky
quotes the words of the Russian Parliament speaker, Gennady Seleznyov, who
informed the Parliament on 13.??.?? about a horrible explosion in a small
Russian city of Volgodonsk. It was the best documented piece of prophecy in
recent history, as Volgodonsk was bombed only three days LATER, on 16.??.??

In the London interview, Berezovsky was asked, how he explains this
incredible botch-up of the perpetrators. "These security services are not
that professional as they want us to think, - he said. "They are not united,
either. Within the security services, there are many groups serving various
power structures. One of them botched up its job, or failed its tie-in with
another group. They reported the explosion before it was done, and it
revealed the truth"



In Ryazan, watchful residents discovered bags with RDX in the basement of
their tenement block and called up police. Police removed the bags, but
claimed it was just sugar planted by the security services in order to check
people's vigilance. Berezovsky proves it was real RDX with real explosive
device.

In Moscow, the journalists connect 'the second team' to a strongman of
Russian politics, Anatoly Chubais, the man behind vast privatisation
campaign that made him and his cronies immensely rich, and other Russians -
immensely poor. A great friend of Israel, Chubais supported the pro-Israeli
turn in Russian politics.

Revelations of Boris Berezovsky came in real time, while the bodies of
Australian tourists are being counted on Bali. Is it a sheer coincidence
that our Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, began his glorious career by
exploding fifty homes of Palestinians on the heads of their inhabitants in
Qibie, in far-away 1953? Is it a sheer coincidence that these explosions,
from Moscow 2000 to New York 2001 and to Bali 2002 used the same technique
to horrify people and cause them to support Israeli and American plans? Is
it a sheer coincidence that the Zionist-infested media covered up the
obvious faults in the official versions, starting with the unique 'prophecy'
of Gennady Seleznyev, and continuing with the ODIGO internet warnings to a
few Israelis on Manhattan on 9/11?

One thing is certain: the 'Islamic' tag speedily attached to Bali explosion
by Bush and Sharon is a revolting blood libel against one billion Muslims.
There is no "Islamic' terror but in the eyes of the beholder. The Catholic
IRA was bombing London pubs well before Hamas discovered Tel Aviv cafés. The
Tamil Tigers, Hindu militant organisation trained by the Israeli Mossad, are
world leaders in suicide bombings. The biggest terrorist act in Palestine
was and remains the explosion of King David Hotel by a Jew, Prime Minister
Menachem Begin. Apparently, people who object to every reference to 'Jewish'
crimes, terror or genocide, do not hesitate to turn Islam into the bogey of
this Halloween.





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by kim
Thursday Oct 17th, 2002 7:00 AM
"There is no "Islamic' terror but in the eyes of the beholder"

You're not serious, are you? well over 90% of world conflict involve Muslims, The Jihad is well underway and their dream of world domination never seemed so close. You don't have to go far to find why Muslims are such cold blooded murderers - read the Kor'an.
by ?
Thursday Oct 17th, 2002 8:21 AM
"The Jihad is well underway and their dream of world domination never seemed so close."

You MUST be joking. anti-American feelings are on the rise from Pakistan to Venezuela to Europe but there is not any noticable increase in support for fundamentalism. Even the Pakistani elections reflect hostility towards US agression far more than it reflects any real increase for the imposition of Islamic law etc..
by .......
Thursday Oct 17th, 2002 8:28 AM
read the Koran. That's a good one. Its full of exhortations against violence and to treat animals kindly. I guess you never read it. Have you read the Old Testament though? Chock full of orders to go burn cities and kill all the people even babies within and take the women etc etc etc ... I guess that means all Christians are bloodthirsty murderers.
Idiot.
by Alex
(alexb76er [at] hotmail.com) Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 12:59 PM
I used to think Israel/Mossad conspiracies were a bit far fetched, however Mossads motto is "Wage war by deception" and Mossad has executed false flag operations previously. It is vastly underestimated by the public. And remember when terrorists actually claimed their attacks. Funny how that doesn't seem to happen nowdays and that Al-Qaida is always blamed even though there's usually NO evidence. I can't people how many knobs believe that Muslim is aggressive or violent. Just look at President Chimp for some classic "Christian" values. I wonder what Jesus would say?
by uh
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 1:11 PM
The Old Testament was written prior to Christianity. You're about as sharp as a spoon, ain't ya boy!?
by .........
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 1:22 PM
yeah, and if you didn't have the benefit of a brain you might not know it was a part of the Bible, either. And regularly quoted by the right wing who tend to avoid the New Testament altogether.
by if you're a fu*king idiot
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 1:49 PM
Oh I see, where the weapon is made indicates who used it. Well, I wasn't big on conspiracy theories but no I'm on your side. L.H. Oswald had nothing to with killing Kennedy. Neither did Cuba or Russia or the CIA. An Italian gun was found so an Italian did it.

Cool theorum.
by ........
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 2:39 PM
oh i personally never made any comments here about responsibility for bali. it certainly wasn't Israel, nor al-qaeda. Almost surely it was disgruntled elements of the Indonesian military responding to Australian actions in East Timor. I was responding to some slob's religious commentary in reference to books he has never read.
by Oumria
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 2:58 PM
The ANSWER IS HERE and it confirms the Israeli link of the bombing. Please read and distribute.

http://rense.com/general30/balias.htm

Bali, Australia & The Mossad
Commentary
By Rose Cohen
Sydney, Australia
10-17-2
by cathy
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 3:26 PM
I think the same could be said for those that read the Bible and Torah too.
by Truth be Told
(test [at] test.com) Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 4:02 PM
Idiot! If there were no other people on the earth then muslims, they would just kill themselves because they are ANIMALS! Just like the previous article, BLOODTHIRSTY! They have a common enemy now (US and/or Israel) so they are raising jihad on them, but if they were gone they would just kill themselves. They are undereducated and always looking to pin their pathetic lives on somebody else! It is never their fault, sombody else made them poor or stupid! Start taking responsibility and quit complaining and bitching and raising jihad and get to work, earn a good living and have a good life! I'm having a GREAT one!
by T
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 4:06 PM
Physical evidence point to Israel, period>
by Sheepdog
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 4:10 PM
I've known jackasses in all kinds of shapes and colors
as well as good folk. Truth be Told you are a jackass.
by T
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 4:14 PM
Come on child, lets not name call but debate the evidence!
by Bali
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 5:15 PM
U either smoking Dope, Sure Israel & CIA is responsible for the terror attcks all over even 9/11 was a very well joint operation , The Mossad double crossed the US, and they do Have pictures of Bush when he was in Jerusalem few years back involved in HOMOSEXUAL acts, thats why the Israelis can Blackmail the US to bow down and shut the hell up, Oh by the way those pictures will be on the world wide web soon.
by Dini
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 6:58 PM
The one who calls muslims poor and stupid,do you know without the muslims you would's be writing or reading today as you call yourself educated man and happy.
if you're,you would't be here insulting people with your little brain.
why don't you read,educate yourself about Islam.
after all islam is not coming to you,you're coming to them coz you know you can't live without them.
stay out and the world would be peacefull.
by LOVELY
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 7:13 PM
dINI IS THE ELOQUENT WRITER,
by Sane HUMAN!
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 7:52 PM
Here is an eloquent response to the neo-nazi link you posted:

Antisemites have often posed as Jews in efforts to "expose" the supposed vices of Jews and Judaism... as "insiders". I read the garbage to which you linked (of course you so recognize it); it contains the usual antisemitic attacks on "Jewish-dominated" media and "stooges of The Jews" (ordinarily 'the politicians'), and, of course, a 'recognition' of the supposed truth in the infamous forgery Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Of course add a generous dose of praise for the enemies of Israel, and you have exactly what you expect from "Rose Cohen", who probably is as Jewish as the typical suicide bomber...

Antisemites are intellectual cheats. They see nothing wrong with forging falisified information and creating false identities. Considering all the truth that antisemites have offered humanity as a whole, antisemites deserve all the respect that one gives to known forgers, counterfeiters, perjureres, and con-artists. None.


by Lotera
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 8:58 PM
"The Jihad is well underway and their dream of world domination never seemed so close."

Bullsht.

After 9/11, the extremists called for Jihad, and what was the reaction on the streets of major Muslim cities around the world? A number of morons (most under the age of 25) turned up here and there, but overall - there was no serious reaction. The vast majority of the Muslim world was just as horrified as we were. Sadly, the US administration has managed to piss away any goodwill that 9/11 generated. Instead of taking that goodwill and making progress, Bush and Cheney sought only to exploit the situation for the benefit of their associates.

You have been manipulated into seeing all Muslims as the enemy. The truth, however, is that there is only a handful that are extremists, and yes - that handful is a threat that needs to be dealt with. Experts agree - starting a war in order to gain control of OIL will only serve to inflame the situation and strengthen the position of the terrorists that actually ARE a threat.


"they would just kill themselves because they are ANIMALS"

Last time I heard this type of hateful rhetoric, it was being used by the Nazis against the Jews. 'Truth be Told', do you realize that you are parroting words spoken by the Nazis? You might want to take a look in the mirror and consider what kind of person you have become.


"Antisemites are intellectual cheats."

Blah blah blah. Sorry, but the term 'anti-semite' has been used so much as of late, that it no longer has meaning. When ANYONE that DARES to criticize the actions of Israel is branded as an anti-semite, the intent is clear: It is primarily being used to drown out any honest debate. From now on - anyone throwing that label around like cheap confetti can shove it up their arse.


The extremists currently in positions of power in Israel and the US are fully capable of being the ones that were pulling the strings behind the Bali bombing. There is no solid proof that US or Israeli extremists ran this op, but they have the most to gain, they have the means, and they sure as hell have the will. IMO - it seems most likely that these rogue elements of the US and Israel staged this for the very reasons that are apparent to anyone applying the standard WHO BENEFITS logic. The stakes are FAR too high to think that anyone seeking control of all that oil would let a few hundred innocents get in the way. It is far to easy to manipulate desperate extremist fools into doing what you want, especially when you have the combined wealth of the American taxpayers backing up your operations.

We have become a nation of compliant fools. How much money was lost in the S&L scandal? How much has been spent on Missle Defense, with NO tangible results? We are living the Matrix, but instead of Copper-Tops - we are ATMs.

by AWL
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 9:07 PM
Muslims!!!!!!!!!! "They're animals".
Time to sew yellow crescent moons on their clothes!!!!!!
by WHO'S THE ANTISEMITE NOW?
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 9:20 PM
WHO'S THE ANTISEMITE NOW?
by Whiskey Jack
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 10:00 PM
"Nobodys right when everybodys wrong"
by Whiskey Jack
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 10:09 PM
I got an idea! Lets just keep pointing fingers, accusing the other guys and hating. This is the only sure way to solve the problems facing the world. Peace will only come to this earth when mankind wipes himself out. We're the only living mistake God made.
by Andrew
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 10:09 PM
by Lotera • Wednesday October 23, 2002 at 08:58 PM


Some of the comments written in that response were genuinely funny (some were true). Basically I propose to the intelligent people responding here (there are a few) that we base this discussion on facts as apposed to rumour, innuendo and name-calling (maybe we should start listing our ages as well). Then maybe we could start to get an educated view on what is occurring in the world. We can separate the fictions that are fed to us through the various communication channels (media, web, friends, corporate, religious, ect…) and hopefully come with some facts.

We can define historic events, which appear similar to what we are currently experiencing (e.g. USS Liberty). We can actually define words and their meaning (e.g. antisemite: Opposition to, or hatred of, Semites. Semite: A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.) We can carry on examining the various monotheistic religions, and possibly realise that every religion carries millions of different interpretations for the various teachings of that religion. Generally the main problem with individual religions are the bigots who can always be heard saying “I think what God meant to say was…” Are you that confindent?
by Andrew
Wednesday Oct 23rd, 2002 10:10 PM
by Lotera • Wednesday October 23, 2002 at 08:58 PM


Some of the comments written in that response were genuinely funny (some were true). Basically I propose to the intelligent people responding here (there are a few) that we base this discussion on facts as apposed to rumour, innuendo and name-calling (maybe we should start listing our ages as well). Then maybe we could start to get an educated view on what is occurring in the world. We can separate the fictions that are fed to us through the various communication channels (media, web, friends, corporate, religious, ect…) and hopefully come with some facts.

We can define historic events, which appear similar to what we are currently experiencing (e.g. USS Liberty). We can actually define words and their meaning (e.g. antisemite: Opposition to, or hatred of, Semites. Semite: A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.) We can carry on examining the various monotheistic religions, and possibly realise that every religion carries millions of different interpretations for the various teachings of that religion. Generally the main problem with individual religions are the bigots who can always be heard saying “I think what God meant to say was…” Are you that confident?
by Roger
Thursday Oct 24th, 2002 12:30 AM
Truth, I think you are just an idiot and this is why: (1) You assumed that there are so many stupid people like you who believe that 15 persons (the hijackers) represent 1.3 billion Muslims in the world (check some facts about sampling), (2) You did not notice that the press, T.V stations and all sorts of news across the globe still using the “alleged hijackers” when reporting on the 911 tragedy and (4) You are too ignorant to realize that foreign investments in the US from Islamic sources are so astronomical that they are estimated in thousands of billions of dollars, and I wonder who should move his fat as$ and get a decent job.
by Andrew
Thursday Oct 24th, 2002 2:07 AM
Roger who are you attempting to communicate to???
by International Opinion
(af [at] yahoo.com) Thursday Oct 24th, 2002 3:02 AM
dont try to deny the US statement about terrorism because CIA and MOSSAD have the power to 1. kill Indonesian president for their justification, or 2. blast your Bali for their justification, or 3. kill the blast witnesses like happened to Kadek Alit Margarini (after he/she was sent to Australia for "treatment" - read as invisible murder), or 4. fake analyze RDX/C4 as TNT as explosive in Bali to hide CIA/MOSSAD action.
by Stefan
Thursday Oct 24th, 2002 3:18 AM
Trust no one and you will not be disappointed.

The more you learn the less you will want to know.

If you believe that the CIA and Mossad are whiter than white then I will feel very sorry for you. The US contributes 16Billion a year to prop up the Israel state. Ever wonder why?
by ..............
Thursday Oct 24th, 2002 3:54 AM
so many Dan's suddenly writing to this column all with the exact same writing style trying to pretend to be different people. What a joke.
by Killer
Thursday Oct 24th, 2002 4:54 AM
Truth: You are a jackass, he's correct

You are the one doing the name calling.

Jackass, animal! Filthy pig. I have other names too ...
by Killer
Thursday Oct 24th, 2002 4:55 AM
Truth: You are a jackass, he's correct

You are the one doing the name calling.

Jackass, animal! Filthy pig. I have other names for you too ...
by .............
Thursday Oct 24th, 2002 5:24 AM
so many Dan's suddenly writing to this column all with the exact same writing style trying to pretend to be different people. What a joke.
by tetra ****
(mi_violinista [at] yahoo.co.uk) Thursday Oct 24th, 2002 11:02 PM
Read the Qur'an ?????????????
what do u know about Qur'an? dont be pretend to be the one who knows everything. Qur'an never teach terorism. Islam is the peacefull and complete religion.
THE REAL COLD BLOODED MURDERERS IS ISRAELI
got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!. US dont try to be an arogan, to be a police if ur self is a terorist.
AMERICA IS A TERORIST WHO SCREAMED TERORIST AND WASH THEIR HAND FOR THEIR BUSINESS
by Roger
Thursday Oct 24th, 2002 11:39 PM
Mushy..It was in response to Truth who wrote of Muslims: " ... sombody else made them poor or stupid! Start taking responsibility and quit complaining and bitching and raising jihad and get to work, earn a good living and have a good life..."

These words reflect an extreme hate for Muslims that is likely to being ignited a year ago after Sep.11 tragedy..got it..??!!
by Asolutely the TRUTH
Friday Oct 25th, 2002 10:43 AM
Listen, until we started purchasing oil the muslim countries they were living in "caveman like" times. Then, when the money comes into the country (i.e. Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc...), it goes only to the people on the "top" and the average person has to live in poverty. This is a hateful society!

I am not Jewish (actually I am German), but I do know that if the Jews left Israel today in twenty years it would go from a beautiful country to a "wasteland". Jews are hard working and live to better themselves and Palestinians would not know what to with with the land but destroy it.

Oh, on the "ANIMAL" comment,... Let's take the woman (Palestinian) that was dragged from her home (by Palestinian muslim extremists) in the West Bank and shot in front of her five kids. She was supposed to be a traitor for Israel. Her 17 year old son was beaten until his back looked like "hamburger" and he finally confessed to his mother being a traitor (which turned out not to be true). I would have confessed too, after that kind of beating! I guess that you think this is normal activity though,...

Also, a great many of the "writers" here should go back and maybe try to finish high school. I guess that the gramar is ok, if they are only 5 or 6 years old,... Get EDUCATED!
by I Agree!
Friday Oct 25th, 2002 2:00 PM
Check out that article!
by AntiFa
Friday Oct 25th, 2002 2:26 PM
I think your logic speaks for itself.

You comparison of races and work ethics reminds me of the ideology your grandparents must have believed during WWII. The Middle East was the intellectual center of the world before the Mongolians and the Crusades destroyed it. Most of the long-term problems in the Middle East are a combination of the Ottoman mismanagement and imposition of monarchies by the British following WWI. That a European colony in Israel is rich is not that surprising, but speaks nothing of a culture or people’s work ethic.

I love how people love to pick on individual atrocities and generalize it to a whole culture. Stoning someone to death is horrible but not nearly as horrible as what the Germans did during WWII, but do I now see all modern Germans as subhuman? Israeli settlers also have done similar things. The IDF has killed hundreds of children, some by accident but many with full knowledge by the soldiers as to what they were doing. The IDF soldiers view Palestinians as less than human so it allows them to behave this way.

Your view on the Palestinians perhaps DO stem from a little bit of Nazi culture that has never been let go by many German citizens. While it is now NOT ok for intellectuals in Europe to demonize Jewish people it IS ok for people to demonize immigrants. Most of the neo-nazi attacks in Germany now seem to be against people from Turkey and the Middle East. If you think this is different from what your grandparents believed looks at the Nazi ethnic cleansing of Romani (millions died) and note the general lack of concern about that today. Germany has changed to the extent that its not ok to demonize Jews, but I guess it hasn’t really changed that much since there is still some weird belief in Aryan superiority that now includes the Israelis who always did look more like Germans than the native Middle Eastern population.
by ..........
Friday Oct 25th, 2002 2:41 PM
" I guess that the gramar is ok, if they are only 5 or 6 years old,... Get EDUCATED!"

Generally it is not a very good idea to throw rocks at people in brick houses when you live in a glass one.

"Asolutely" should be spelled "Absolutely"

"caveman like" and "top" should not be in quotation marks

"until we started purchasing oil the muslim countries they" should have the word "from" between "purchasing" and oil. Furthermore, Muslim should be capitalized and there should be a comma after "they"

"wasteland" should not be capitalized; you are not quoting a person or multiple word phrase.

" "ANIMAL" comment,... Let's" Animal should not be capitalized and "comment" should be followed with either a comma or a dash ( - ), not three periods. Three periods indicates missing text from a quote.

"Let's take the woman (Palestinian)" should read "Let's take the Palestinian woman"

" though,..." three periods at the end of a sentence in a trailing fashion is acceptable, however, there is no need for the comma

"gramar" should be spelled "grammar"

Now, before you go trying to correct other's mistakes, I suggest you correct your own first. I don't normally criticize the atrocious penmanship of the average conservative, although I cannot help but laugh when I see the illiterate telling people to "finish high school" and "asolutely" improve their "gramar"
by ..........
Friday Oct 25th, 2002 2:43 PM
" I guess that the gramar is ok, if they are only 5 or 6 years old,... Get EDUCATED!"

Generally it is not a very good idea to throw rocks at people in brick houses when you live in a glass one.

"Asolutely" should be spelled "Absolutely"

"caveman like" and "top" should not be in quotation marks

"until we started purchasing oil the muslim countries they" should have the word "from" between "purchasing" and oil. Furthermore, Muslim should be capitalized and there should be a comma after "they"

"wasteland" should not be capitalized; you are not quoting a person or multiple word phrase.

" "ANIMAL" comment,... Let's" Animal should not be capitalized and "comment" should be followed with either a comma or a dash ( - ), not three periods. Three periods indicates missing text from a quote.

"Let's take the woman (Palestinian)" should read "Let's take the Palestinian woman"

" though,..." three periods at the end of a sentence in a trailing fashion is acceptable, however, there is no need for the comma

"gramar" should be spelled "grammer"

Now, before you go trying to correct other's mistakes, I suggest you correct your own first. I don't normally criticize the atrocious penmanship of the average conservative, although I cannot help but laugh when I see the illiterate telling people to "finish high school" and "asolutely" improve their "gramar"
by helpful
Friday Oct 25th, 2002 2:57 PM
Dude, you need to get laid or have a toke or something. Seriously. Retention like that is going to give you bad hemmorhoids.
by Truth Prevails
Friday Oct 25th, 2002 3:01 PM
I guess you read your own Bible first, which talks about killing all children, burning cities, giving women to other men for ths sins of their husbands. I bet you remember the story in Bible where King David committed adultery with his neighbours wife, And the story about 2 prostitutes, and the story where God dances with other men, and the sory where Brother commits incest with hsi sister, and Lut commits incest with hsi 2 daughters.Your bible has done the best to blame the Prophets , go and read the Quran again and buy a copy which is translated by a Muslim, Quran states that " killing one innocent person is like killing whole humanity."
You infidels are talking about Islam? You bastards you dont even respect their own religion, You read you own So called holy books and yet you dont follow it, Your Bible forbids Flesh of swine, but you are the people who eat Pork the most, your Bible states adultery is prohibited but youare the people who commit adultery the most and also give birth to a Bastard child.
If Islam was not the most humble and true religion , it does not make distinction between religions, ALLAH clearly states in Quran " Only the righteous shall enter heaven", Show me a single verse in Bible or any other holy book on the face of this earth which has such views about righteousness.
Go !! and do your home work properly, and gain true knowledge instead of just blindly pointing fingers.
by ..........
Friday Oct 25th, 2002 3:09 PM
Well, you're doing just the same thing as the Christian zealots, now. There is alot of good in the Bible it's just been perverted. Sure there is alot of stuff about killing and burning and raping too. But you can't say that's what its all about, not if you understand it.
It does say something similar to you Qu'ran quote actually. "It will be harder for a rich man to enter heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle."
Not that I'm Christian but it doesn't make alot of sense for us to all get worked up about religion when that's not the real problem. The real problem is the elite who will use any religion or political movement to justify their atrocities.
by Ryan S
Friday Oct 25th, 2002 3:35 PM
Figures.....they attacked the USS Liberty in 1967 to gain US support and attacked US interests in 1954 in what was called Operation Suzannah to do the same thing...both times failing misserably
by Truth
Friday Oct 25th, 2002 4:58 PM
We'll, I'm definitely not as bad as "Kill all muslims". You should be happy to see posts from me!

I also found it interesting that Germans now accept Jews as "closer to their own" than middle easterns. I will have to ask some of my "comrades" to see if that is the case!

As far as the "wonderful" image that the Quran supports and LOVES everybody in existance... you must have forgotten that does not include the "infidels"! Which we all are (at least us non-muslims).

Oh, last but not least, I hope that my grammar was ok this time... I appreciate the class and look forward to another. While you are abolsutely correct, I believe that you know exactly what I was talking about... The spelling corrections were "typos" and the rest I just learned form you. I did not, however, spell that (thet) or least (lest) or your (ur), etc... You get the point!

Have a great weekend!
by .........
Friday Oct 25th, 2002 8:15 PM
Nazi trash .. put your tinfoil hat back on and go away
by a non-Aryan
Friday Oct 25th, 2002 10:47 PM
stormfront?

stormfront?!!

HA -HA -HA -HA -HA

..you nazis are funny
by einsatzgruppen
Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 9:57 AM
now you people cant debate the chosen ones you got be happy to get drafted and go fight for israel cause they are chosen and if you disagree with them youre evil now just like all those gentiles in WWII who fought for the "modern moses" franklin roosevelt as jews refered to him after jews declared war on germany 1 month after hitler came to power so get ready you gotta fight for israel oh no you cant stop until all god's little masterpieces are safe from arabs because its gods will that the goyim(term by jews for nonjews) be ruled by his master hebrew race but something has really got the chosen ones scarred the fact that goyim(nonjews) are nearly outnumbering chosenoids in israel so it makes sense then why sharon would pillage goyim as the talmud orders you people really need to read the talmud it shows how much jews hate nonjews now can you imagine a white person saying something about the influx of illegal aliens of course it would be racist but when the chosen ones take steps to curb the non jew birthrate in israel its ok because they are chosen and meant to rule us so we cant complain and of course its evil and racist for say whites to have a segregated school but the chosen ones are allowed to have their racist school called yeshiva schools so just keep a smile on your face when yor drafted to go fight israels enemies and remeber dont argue just protect those chosen ones onward christian soldiers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ........
Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 10:57 AM
Nazi trash .. put your tinfoil hat back on and go away
by Sheepdog
Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 11:18 AM
What are you talking about?
I remember a song we sang in church at
sunday school. Jesus loves all the little children
all the little children of the world.
THESE ARE THE CHOSEN ONES!
Anything else is mud and blood and dung. I'm no
christian but I sure don't worship MARDOC.
by Sheepdog
Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 11:19 AM
I sure don't worship MAMMON either!
Onward christian solders my hairy ass.
by .........
Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 11:25 AM
You're also stealing someone's nick
by melanie thomas
(luappe2 [at] aol.com) Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 12:33 PM
Until my country, the USA, awakens to the real enemy we have, we shall be enslaved to Zionism.
by melanie thomas
(luappe2 [at] aol.com) Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 12:34 PM
Until my country, the USA, awakens to the real enemy we have, we shall be enslaved to Zionism.
by Sheepdog
Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 1:13 PM
Zionism is just one of the arms.
MAMMOM is the enemy. Don't try to
cloth it in such simple lables.
Let's call it GREED & POWER.
Without humanity or compassion.
by Pujianto
Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 2:19 PM
Indonesian propoganda- Absolute garbage
by peter h
(cymric [at] ihug.co.nz) Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 3:00 PM
as common most of the comments aren't about the original issue but about attacking or denigrating some
thing or someone they don't understand.
much of the heat is reflecting fear and insecurity. all
perfectly furthering divide and rule.
many argue as though they are on a winning side when the majority of the planet are clearly on the loosing side.
labels are both cheap and misleading so one should
look for types and patterns of the psychopaths who use what belongs to us against us.
these psychopaths are above religion and ethnicity
and to achieve a world fed. dictatorship would reguire
the demise of genuine christianity, islam and judaism
and the the demise of independant nationalism of
which Israel and the US are leaders.
there is nothing new about bumping off the hitman after he has done the dirty work.
in this scenario how many of us can put our hands up and say we are on the winning side?
by peter h
(cymric [at] ihug.co.nz) Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 3:01 PM
as common most of the comments aren't about the original issue but about attacking or denigrating some
thing or someone they don't understand.
much of the heat is reflecting fear and insecurity. all
perfectly furthering divide and rule.
many argue as though they are on a winning side when the majority of the planet are clearly on the loosing side.
labels are both cheap and misleading so one should
look for types and patterns of the psychopaths who use what belongs to us against us.
these psychopaths are above religion and ethnicity
and to achieve a world fed. dictatorship would reguire
the demise of genuine christianity, islam and judaism
and the the demise of independant nationalism of
which Israel and the US are leaders.
there is nothing new about bumping off the hitman after he has done the dirty work.
in this scenario how many of us can put our hands up and say we are on the winning side?
by C4 Expert
Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 10:03 PM
Intresting you post a story just saying C4 is from Israel with out giving any facts how it tied to Israel?. And did Any Israeli offcial admit that that sort of C4 is made in Israel?!..

Your local C4 Expert.
by Mr B
Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 10:37 PM
ffs stfu im the best
by fuof
Saturday Oct 26th, 2002 10:41 PM
would israel admit its guilt>
by hero hero
Sunday Oct 27th, 2002 1:19 AM
Its easy to find the source of C-4 by spectroscopic analysis. Every compound contains impurities which come from machines manufactring the product and no two products of different manufacturers have the same inpurity levels. Spectrospopy is so precise that it can count down to the number of impurity atoms. I ve spent a lot of time in this field..nuclear spectroscopy.

But even if the source is identified as Israel, it does not implicate mossad. Contrary to public perception, Israel is a major arms exporter and its weapons are used by armed forces all over the world, including the US and EC. Israeli weapons proliferate around the world not because of its quality but rather because of its cheap price.
by smart!1
Monday Oct 28th, 2002 1:04 AM
so israel exports terrorism>
by ordinary me
Monday Oct 28th, 2002 7:51 AM
My Religion??? Islam
My Citizenship??? Indonesia
Where am I??? in USA
How am I doing??? Hanging in there

I can't make any "political" comment about what's going on , because I know that would not help to solve anything at all. But one thing I believe, that whoever posted comments here, either those with Trash Talking with Hatred shines all over it, or Educated ones with descriptive and persuasive words, They do have things in common; Fear and Compassion. Well I do.....
I fear how the world would be , I feel terrible for the innocent victims, including my family in Bali.
If someone thinks, I am in the wrong place at the wrong time....I'd say that's not true. Am I apathetic for what's going on? No, I'm just being and doing what The Supreme Being wants me to be, being human, live the life and try not to harm another in any way. We are just made from blood and flesh, we all NEED EACH OTHER to survive....if we want to survive.
by Geoffrey Roche
Wednesday Oct 30th, 2002 11:09 PM
This Bali Israeli C4 story, at a single stroke, has eliminated any regard I may have had for this 'news' service. The fact that the grammar and spelling in the article is poor alone is a poor show. Mossad certainly wouldn't have been dumb enough to use a device whose origins would betray them ; and why would they want to provoke a war so far from their own theatre?With an ally? Even a US/Iraq war is not in Israel's best interests (remember the SCUD attacks last time?) Israels sells arms all over the place- the fact that the C4 was of Israeli manufacture itself doesn't mean that Mossad or any other Israeilis did it. ( Is every shot fired from a Kalashnikov the work of Moscow?) Further, the story didn't have any links. In my opinion this sort of conspiracy talk is not only amateurish, it's morally repugnant. There are enough dodgy IDF and Shin Bet operations as it is (that we can keep up with by reading the leftist Israeli newspapers) without making stuff up and ruining your credibility with anyone who thinks. Conspiracy theories (the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, for example) have led to the murder of millions of people- if you're going to print unsubstantiated nonsense like this, you're going to be part of the problem.
Geoffrey Roche
PhD program
Department of Philosophy
University of Auckland
by .......
Thursday Oct 31st, 2002 12:19 AM
Geoffrey,

Indymedia is an open publishing system, in that anyone can post an article to it's news wire. There are lots of very important articles on this web site written by devoted activists in SF, as well as posting photos, personal accounts, etc of the last anti-war march. Sadly, there are also articles which are just not based on fact or logic, some of them posted by just ignorant people, but many of them are posted by those attempting to disrupt this news wire and the services it provides. It is really up to your own intelligence to be able to differentiate between BS and truth. This newswire requires that those seeking truth and progressive social change participate in the news writing for these open publishing sites to maintain the quality of writing and discussion, and to keep the trolls and disruptors at bay. Do not take this article as the "status quo" of the indymedia sites, or that it is what these sites prompt, because it would be dishonest and would ignore the vast amounts of articles posted by grassroots organizations for equality and justice.
by X2
Thursday Oct 31st, 2002 1:33 AM
I'm sure anyone who *actually* has a PHD must be playing dumb to say such a thing. Surely, when he entered his own comment, or took a look around the site, he must have noticed that it was in his capacity to write whatsoever he pleased. Did he fail to read the "open publishing" concept? No, I don't think so. Forgive my suspicion, but I feel that Mr. Roche is being disingenious here and not really wholly honest.
by Fairy
Friday Nov 1st, 2002 6:13 PM
not all the moslem country are good, you're wrong. Please go and see Indonesia (the biggest moslem people in Asia)
by ramone
Saturday Nov 2nd, 2002 4:05 AM
yes.please read the Koran before suggesting anything. Ignorance is not strength.I challenge you to find a verse that preaches for violence in the Koran.

The very first word received by the prophet was...read. read...good advice in these times when knowledge is mightier than brawn or missiles. Read and do not assume. Read and challenge it. Read and learn. Read and you shall find knowledge. not violence.

If you dare not read, ask those who knows. but i urge you to read it yourself and make your own judgement.

up for it?
by Ben
Saturday Nov 2nd, 2002 2:58 PM
The supporters of this site are complete fools. You are fuckin hipocrites. You wish that you could create effective explosives. Instead you have to fuckin steal it from other people, or worse, strap the same explosives that you say are used by Fascists and blow yourself up. When the US needs to blow something up, at least its people are good enough not to kill themselves. However, I fully support your suicide bombers, becasue it rids the earth of you terrorist assholes. Its especially funny when a suicide bomber blows up and doesnt kill anyone with him. Way to go you stupid bastards.
by Larry
Saturday Nov 2nd, 2002 3:01 PM
Would you mind posting a legitimate source for your information. You say many things as if they are fact, but I dont see any evidence to support it.
by Larry
Saturday Nov 2nd, 2002 3:01 PM
Would you mind posting a legitimate source for your information. You say many things as if they are fact, but I dont see any evidence to support it.
by Larry
Saturday Nov 2nd, 2002 3:03 PM
Would you mind posting a legitimate source for your information. You say many things as if they are fact, but I dont see any evidence to support it.
by Dumb A-- Holes
Monday Nov 4th, 2002 9:55 AM
Boy do I agree with Ben! I think that it is GREAT when these terrorists accidentally "spark" their explosives (like dumb asses) and blow only themselves up. Then they get to ROT IN HELL from then until eternity! If you support that bullshit than you can say hi to them when you are BURNING IN HELL too!
by Dumb A-- Holes
Monday Nov 4th, 2002 9:56 AM
Boy do I agree with Ben! I think that it is GREAT when these terrorists accidentally "spark" their explosives (like dumb asses) and blow only themselves up. Then they get to ROT IN HELL from then until eternity! If you support that bullshit than you can say hi to them when you are BURNING IN HELL too!
by editor
Monday Nov 4th, 2002 12:13 PM
They were racist propaganda and contained racist slurs. Take that crap somewhere else. We will not allow it here.
by .........
Tuesday Nov 5th, 2002 7:30 AM
The unemployment rate is high because of curfews. Also because of Sharon's extremist policies.
by Israel Supporter
Wednesday Nov 6th, 2002 1:41 PM
There was no curfew before the intifida! These bastards need a curfew because they just blow up innocent people when they are let out! If I was the prime minister, I would NEVER let them out!
by .......
Thursday Nov 7th, 2002 1:31 AM
The Israelis blow up innocent people too. In fact, they outdo the competition 3 to 1. What's your point?
by ..........
Thursday Nov 7th, 2002 9:49 AM
Dumb Ass, cops shoot bad people every day (just like the military has to do to the militants in Israel)! I don't hear you complaining about the local scum bags (that pale in comparason to radical islamics) that are killed every day in the streets of the USA. Don't worry, you will agree with me when one of those crazy bastards blows up one of your family members. Or better yet, blows off a few limbs and they have to live that way!
by ...........
Friday Nov 8th, 2002 1:40 AM
People shouldn't be shot to death on such a wide scale. Not by anyone. There's no good reason for it. Sure - there are some armed gangsters who probably deserve a bullet in the head, but they don't number in the tens of thousands.
I'm talking about INNOCENT killings in Israel. Most of them are done by the IDF, by far. Israel's human rights agency even admits this.
by Librarian
Thursday Jun 12th, 2003 11:15 PM
Israel is beind most terrorist attacks no matter who did it. It is all about controlling public opinion in the U.S.
by Tcharly
(ben [at] hotmail.com) Tuesday Jun 24th, 2003 6:00 AM
I have read most of the articles with great interest.
I am not here to call names, judge people or pretend I know better. I am a jew, living in Belgium. As a jew, I support Israel and it's actions, wheter the right or left wing is at the power. If asked wheter I'm a right-winger of left-winger, I reply I simply don't have enough information to judge. I do no know enough to be able to say who's fault it is, who's right and who's wrong.
I do not try to formulate my own conspiracy theories on the CIA, the MOSSAD or the JIHAD. Things are being done far beyond our knowledge. I do know I want peace, for both sides. I do know there are good arabs and muslims as well as bad ones. And it is the same for the Israelis. Let's just patiently hope and wait for peace, deplore the deaths of any victim, and be joyful the day peace has come. There is no good or bad religion, only good or bad interpretations.
Have a nice day, y'all, and please remember the only thing you know, is that you don't know. I will too.
by Geoffrey Roche
(groc002 [at] ec.auckland.ac.nz) Tuesday Oct 14th, 2003 9:59 AM
Honest? At least I'm using my real name.
And who is Rose Cohen? I am intrigued.
by Will
Thursday Oct 30th, 2003 11:54 AM
Kim,

What part of the Koran have you read? Or have you read any of it at all? What has lead you to beleive that all Moslems are "cold blooded murderers"? Are all Christians guilty of the killing of 6 million Jews? Are all Jews guilty of the killing and displacement of millions of Palestinians? Where in the Koran have you found God/Allah instructing Moslems to kill in cold blood and without provocation? And without exhausting all possible avenues first. Your remarks are ignorant and mislead at best and racist and hatefull at worst.

by BLAME EVERYTHING ON ISRAEL AND JEWS
Friday Oct 31st, 2003 10:42 AM
Israel had nothing to with the the bali bombing, but fucking scumbag israel-hating freaks who are on an insane mission spend day and night doing everything they can to tie israel in with bad things.

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