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Israeli made C4 explosive used in Bali bombing
(OCTOBER 16,2002) Police investigating the deadly bombing of a nightclub in the Indonesian island of Bali in which nearly 200 people died have found traces of plastic explosive manufactured in Israel at the site of the attack.
The discovery of the explosives suggests a sophisticated bombing operation.
Reports from the French news agency AFP say that the head of Indonesian intelligence, Hendropriyono, has disclosed that the explosive was a type known as C4, tracked to a manufacture in Israel.
Forensic process
Identifying components of explosive have been matched to the fascist C4 manufacturer in the rogue state of Israel.
Tests for matches with explosive are conclusive. Tracking the manufacturer through analysis of components in residue.
The agency also cited Indonesian police spokesman Brigadier-General Saleh Saaf as saying that "we have processed the data and we are now really certain that the C4 explosive was made in Israel".
Mossad operations have been exposed in a series of leaked CIA documents and in statements by security officials in the US and Singapore . And are linked to the bombings in Bali
The Saturday night blasts, which are a suspected mossad terror operation followed persistent reports that mossad was operating in the area.
After the massive peace rally in Australia that same weekend, these mossad operations where put into high gear in a deadly way. Mossad terror network operations are working hard to draw the western world into war for Israeli and U.S conquest.
The discovery of traces of Israeli made plastic explosive could be a vital clue to who was responsible.
Military explosive
The Israeli made C4 explosive used in the Bali bombing is a powerful agent manufactured in Israel by the fascist United States and is used widely by the American led axis of evil military forces around the world.
AFP quoted a British manufacturer of C4, Mark Ribband, as saying that it is a white substance that resembles uncooked pastry and needs a detonator to make it explode.
Mr Ribband said that it is "a standard issue, military explosive" the trade in which was controlled carefully.
Clues from components
Explosives experts can tell a lot from the type of explosive used, like who manufactured it and its origin.
A large area was devastated by the explosion in this professionally executed slaughter that was extremely effective in the American fascist’s goal of maximum casualty inflicted
Brian Caddy, Emeritus Professor of Forensic Science at Strathclyde University in Scotland, says that identification might enable investigators to track down the potential sources of the explosive material used.
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There were no previous demands; no terrorist group took responsibility for
the Bali bombing, making it an act of unnecessary carnage. President Bush
'assumed' the Bali explosion was connected to al-Qaeeda and demanded to scan
Indonesia for Muslims. It is our luck he never heard of Atlantis, otherwise
he would assume the continent was sent to the bottom of the sea by the
omnipresent Muslim terrorists. However, important new information came to us
from London, and it allows us to peer through darkness surrounding the
explosion.
Last week, one of the most powerful figures of our days, a colourful Russian
billionaire and media lord, Boris Berezovsky, the man who enthroned Vladimir
Putin and later parted ways with the Russian President, gave an exhaustive
interview[i] to Zavtra, the main Russian opposition weekly in his London
exile. While it is an exciting read for Russia-watchers, it provides a clue
to the Bali mystery.
Three years ago, Russia was shaken by massive explosions. Whole apartment
blocks in Moscow and other cities were stuffed up by extremely powerful
explosive RDX (also called Hexogen in Russia and Germany) and were blown up
by terrorists, causing huge death roll. It was immediately presumed the
Chechen terrorists were behind the acts, and they served as casus belli for
Chechnya War. The Russian people were thoroughly horrified, and supported
the bloody military campaign. Grozny city was bombed and strafed; Chechnya
invaded, thousands lost their life, while two major changes occurred in
Moscow. One, the war of vengeance guaranteed the election of Vladimir Putin
to the post of President and secured positions of pro-American forces in
ex-USSR. Second, Russia was turned against the Muslim world, after one
thousand years of peaceful coexistence, and became a strategic partner for
the US-led and Israel-orchestrated War on Terror.
In his interview last week, Berezovsky claims there were two teams working
to assure the election of Putin. While he personally led one of the teams
acting via his TV channel, the second team chose a violent path. Berezovsky
quotes the words of the Russian Parliament speaker, Gennady Seleznyov, who
informed the Parliament on 13.??.?? about a horrible explosion in a small
Russian city of Volgodonsk. It was the best documented piece of prophecy in
recent history, as Volgodonsk was bombed only three days LATER, on 16.??.??
In the London interview, Berezovsky was asked, how he explains this
incredible botch-up of the perpetrators. "These security services are not
that professional as they want us to think, - he said. "They are not united,
either. Within the security services, there are many groups serving various
power structures. One of them botched up its job, or failed its tie-in with
another group. They reported the explosion before it was done, and it
revealed the truth"
In Ryazan, watchful residents discovered bags with RDX in the basement of
their tenement block and called up police. Police removed the bags, but
claimed it was just sugar planted by the security services in order to check
people's vigilance. Berezovsky proves it was real RDX with real explosive
device.
In Moscow, the journalists connect 'the second team' to a strongman of
Russian politics, Anatoly Chubais, the man behind vast privatisation
campaign that made him and his cronies immensely rich, and other Russians -
immensely poor. A great friend of Israel, Chubais supported the pro-Israeli
turn in Russian politics.
Revelations of Boris Berezovsky came in real time, while the bodies of
Australian tourists are being counted on Bali. Is it a sheer coincidence
that our Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, began his glorious career by
exploding fifty homes of Palestinians on the heads of their inhabitants in
Qibie, in far-away 1953? Is it a sheer coincidence that these explosions,
from Moscow 2000 to New York 2001 and to Bali 2002 used the same technique
to horrify people and cause them to support Israeli and American plans? Is
it a sheer coincidence that the Zionist-infested media covered up the
obvious faults in the official versions, starting with the unique 'prophecy'
of Gennady Seleznyev, and continuing with the ODIGO internet warnings to a
few Israelis on Manhattan on 9/11?
One thing is certain: the 'Islamic' tag speedily attached to Bali explosion
by Bush and Sharon is a revolting blood libel against one billion Muslims.
There is no "Islamic' terror but in the eyes of the beholder. The Catholic
IRA was bombing London pubs well before Hamas discovered Tel Aviv cafés. The
Tamil Tigers, Hindu militant organisation trained by the Israeli Mossad, are
world leaders in suicide bombings. The biggest terrorist act in Palestine
was and remains the explosion of King David Hotel by a Jew, Prime Minister
Menachem Begin. Apparently, people who object to every reference to 'Jewish'
crimes, terror or genocide, do not hesitate to turn Islam into the bogey of
this Halloween.
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You're not serious, are you? well over 90% of world conflict involve Muslims, The Jihad is well underway and their dream of world domination never seemed so close. You don't have to go far to find why Muslims are such cold blooded murderers - read the Kor'an.
You MUST be joking. anti-American feelings are on the rise from Pakistan to Venezuela to Europe but there is not any noticable increase in support for fundamentalism. Even the Pakistani elections reflect hostility towards US agression far more than it reflects any real increase for the imposition of Islamic law etc..
Idiot.
Cool theorum.
http://rense.com/general30/balias.htm
Bali, Australia & The Mossad
Commentary
By Rose Cohen
Sydney, Australia
10-17-2
as well as good folk. Truth be Told you are a jackass.
if you're,you would't be here insulting people with your little brain.
why don't you read,educate yourself about Islam.
after all islam is not coming to you,you're coming to them coz you know you can't live without them.
stay out and the world would be peacefull.
Antisemites have often posed as Jews in efforts to "expose" the supposed vices of Jews and Judaism... as "insiders". I read the garbage to which you linked (of course you so recognize it); it contains the usual antisemitic attacks on "Jewish-dominated" media and "stooges of The Jews" (ordinarily 'the politicians'), and, of course, a 'recognition' of the supposed truth in the infamous forgery Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Of course add a generous dose of praise for the enemies of Israel, and you have exactly what you expect from "Rose Cohen", who probably is as Jewish as the typical suicide bomber...
Antisemites are intellectual cheats. They see nothing wrong with forging falisified information and creating false identities. Considering all the truth that antisemites have offered humanity as a whole, antisemites deserve all the respect that one gives to known forgers, counterfeiters, perjureres, and con-artists. None.
Bullsht.
After 9/11, the extremists called for Jihad, and what was the reaction on the streets of major Muslim cities around the world? A number of morons (most under the age of 25) turned up here and there, but overall - there was no serious reaction. The vast majority of the Muslim world was just as horrified as we were. Sadly, the US administration has managed to piss away any goodwill that 9/11 generated. Instead of taking that goodwill and making progress, Bush and Cheney sought only to exploit the situation for the benefit of their associates.
You have been manipulated into seeing all Muslims as the enemy. The truth, however, is that there is only a handful that are extremists, and yes - that handful is a threat that needs to be dealt with. Experts agree - starting a war in order to gain control of OIL will only serve to inflame the situation and strengthen the position of the terrorists that actually ARE a threat.
"they would just kill themselves because they are ANIMALS"
Last time I heard this type of hateful rhetoric, it was being used by the Nazis against the Jews. 'Truth be Told', do you realize that you are parroting words spoken by the Nazis? You might want to take a look in the mirror and consider what kind of person you have become.
"Antisemites are intellectual cheats."
Blah blah blah. Sorry, but the term 'anti-semite' has been used so much as of late, that it no longer has meaning. When ANYONE that DARES to criticize the actions of Israel is branded as an anti-semite, the intent is clear: It is primarily being used to drown out any honest debate. From now on - anyone throwing that label around like cheap confetti can shove it up their arse.
The extremists currently in positions of power in Israel and the US are fully capable of being the ones that were pulling the strings behind the Bali bombing. There is no solid proof that US or Israeli extremists ran this op, but they have the most to gain, they have the means, and they sure as hell have the will. IMO - it seems most likely that these rogue elements of the US and Israel staged this for the very reasons that are apparent to anyone applying the standard WHO BENEFITS logic. The stakes are FAR too high to think that anyone seeking control of all that oil would let a few hundred innocents get in the way. It is far to easy to manipulate desperate extremist fools into doing what you want, especially when you have the combined wealth of the American taxpayers backing up your operations.
We have become a nation of compliant fools. How much money was lost in the S&L scandal? How much has been spent on Missle Defense, with NO tangible results? We are living the Matrix, but instead of Copper-Tops - we are ATMs.
Time to sew yellow crescent moons on their clothes!!!!!!
Some of the comments written in that response were genuinely funny (some were true). Basically I propose to the intelligent people responding here (there are a few) that we base this discussion on facts as apposed to rumour, innuendo and name-calling (maybe we should start listing our ages as well). Then maybe we could start to get an educated view on what is occurring in the world. We can separate the fictions that are fed to us through the various communication channels (media, web, friends, corporate, religious, ect…) and hopefully come with some facts.
We can define historic events, which appear similar to what we are currently experiencing (e.g. USS Liberty). We can actually define words and their meaning (e.g. antisemite: Opposition to, or hatred of, Semites. Semite: A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.) We can carry on examining the various monotheistic religions, and possibly realise that every religion carries millions of different interpretations for the various teachings of that religion. Generally the main problem with individual religions are the bigots who can always be heard saying “I think what God meant to say was…” Are you that confindent?
Some of the comments written in that response were genuinely funny (some were true). Basically I propose to the intelligent people responding here (there are a few) that we base this discussion on facts as apposed to rumour, innuendo and name-calling (maybe we should start listing our ages as well). Then maybe we could start to get an educated view on what is occurring in the world. We can separate the fictions that are fed to us through the various communication channels (media, web, friends, corporate, religious, ect…) and hopefully come with some facts.
We can define historic events, which appear similar to what we are currently experiencing (e.g. USS Liberty). We can actually define words and their meaning (e.g. antisemite: Opposition to, or hatred of, Semites. Semite: A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.) We can carry on examining the various monotheistic religions, and possibly realise that every religion carries millions of different interpretations for the various teachings of that religion. Generally the main problem with individual religions are the bigots who can always be heard saying “I think what God meant to say was…” Are you that confident?
The more you learn the less you will want to know.
If you believe that the CIA and Mossad are whiter than white then I will feel very sorry for you. The US contributes 16Billion a year to prop up the Israel state. Ever wonder why?
You are the one doing the name calling.
Jackass, animal! Filthy pig. I have other names too ...
You are the one doing the name calling.
Jackass, animal! Filthy pig. I have other names for you too ...
what do u know about Qur'an? dont be pretend to be the one who knows everything. Qur'an never teach terorism. Islam is the peacefull and complete religion.
THE REAL COLD BLOODED MURDERERS IS ISRAELI
got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!. US dont try to be an arogan, to be a police if ur self is a terorist.
AMERICA IS A TERORIST WHO SCREAMED TERORIST AND WASH THEIR HAND FOR THEIR BUSINESS
These words reflect an extreme hate for Muslims that is likely to being ignited a year ago after Sep.11 tragedy..got it..??!!
I am not Jewish (actually I am German), but I do know that if the Jews left Israel today in twenty years it would go from a beautiful country to a "wasteland". Jews are hard working and live to better themselves and Palestinians would not know what to with with the land but destroy it.
Oh, on the "ANIMAL" comment,... Let's take the woman (Palestinian) that was dragged from her home (by Palestinian muslim extremists) in the West Bank and shot in front of her five kids. She was supposed to be a traitor for Israel. Her 17 year old son was beaten until his back looked like "hamburger" and he finally confessed to his mother being a traitor (which turned out not to be true). I would have confessed too, after that kind of beating! I guess that you think this is normal activity though,...
Also, a great many of the "writers" here should go back and maybe try to finish high school. I guess that the gramar is ok, if they are only 5 or 6 years old,... Get EDUCATED!
You comparison of races and work ethics reminds me of the ideology your grandparents must have believed during WWII. The Middle East was the intellectual center of the world before the Mongolians and the Crusades destroyed it. Most of the long-term problems in the Middle East are a combination of the Ottoman mismanagement and imposition of monarchies by the British following WWI. That a European colony in Israel is rich is not that surprising, but speaks nothing of a culture or people’s work ethic.
I love how people love to pick on individual atrocities and generalize it to a whole culture. Stoning someone to death is horrible but not nearly as horrible as what the Germans did during WWII, but do I now see all modern Germans as subhuman? Israeli settlers also have done similar things. The IDF has killed hundreds of children, some by accident but many with full knowledge by the soldiers as to what they were doing. The IDF soldiers view Palestinians as less than human so it allows them to behave this way.
Your view on the Palestinians perhaps DO stem from a little bit of Nazi culture that has never been let go by many German citizens. While it is now NOT ok for intellectuals in Europe to demonize Jewish people it IS ok for people to demonize immigrants. Most of the neo-nazi attacks in Germany now seem to be against people from Turkey and the Middle East. If you think this is different from what your grandparents believed looks at the Nazi ethnic cleansing of Romani (millions died) and note the general lack of concern about that today. Germany has changed to the extent that its not ok to demonize Jews, but I guess it hasn’t really changed that much since there is still some weird belief in Aryan superiority that now includes the Israelis who always did look more like Germans than the native Middle Eastern population.
Generally it is not a very good idea to throw rocks at people in brick houses when you live in a glass one.
"Asolutely" should be spelled "Absolutely"
"caveman like" and "top" should not be in quotation marks
"until we started purchasing oil the muslim countries they" should have the word "from" between "purchasing" and oil. Furthermore, Muslim should be capitalized and there should be a comma after "they"
"wasteland" should not be capitalized; you are not quoting a person or multiple word phrase.
" "ANIMAL" comment,... Let's" Animal should not be capitalized and "comment" should be followed with either a comma or a dash ( - ), not three periods. Three periods indicates missing text from a quote.
"Let's take the woman (Palestinian)" should read "Let's take the Palestinian woman"
" though,..." three periods at the end of a sentence in a trailing fashion is acceptable, however, there is no need for the comma
"gramar" should be spelled "grammar"
Now, before you go trying to correct other's mistakes, I suggest you correct your own first. I don't normally criticize the atrocious penmanship of the average conservative, although I cannot help but laugh when I see the illiterate telling people to "finish high school" and "asolutely" improve their "gramar"
Generally it is not a very good idea to throw rocks at people in brick houses when you live in a glass one.
"Asolutely" should be spelled "Absolutely"
"caveman like" and "top" should not be in quotation marks
"until we started purchasing oil the muslim countries they" should have the word "from" between "purchasing" and oil. Furthermore, Muslim should be capitalized and there should be a comma after "they"
"wasteland" should not be capitalized; you are not quoting a person or multiple word phrase.
" "ANIMAL" comment,... Let's" Animal should not be capitalized and "comment" should be followed with either a comma or a dash ( - ), not three periods. Three periods indicates missing text from a quote.
"Let's take the woman (Palestinian)" should read "Let's take the Palestinian woman"
" though,..." three periods at the end of a sentence in a trailing fashion is acceptable, however, there is no need for the comma
"gramar" should be spelled "grammer"
Now, before you go trying to correct other's mistakes, I suggest you correct your own first. I don't normally criticize the atrocious penmanship of the average conservative, although I cannot help but laugh when I see the illiterate telling people to "finish high school" and "asolutely" improve their "gramar"
You infidels are talking about Islam? You bastards you dont even respect their own religion, You read you own So called holy books and yet you dont follow it, Your Bible forbids Flesh of swine, but you are the people who eat Pork the most, your Bible states adultery is prohibited but youare the people who commit adultery the most and also give birth to a Bastard child.
If Islam was not the most humble and true religion , it does not make distinction between religions, ALLAH clearly states in Quran " Only the righteous shall enter heaven", Show me a single verse in Bible or any other holy book on the face of this earth which has such views about righteousness.
Go !! and do your home work properly, and gain true knowledge instead of just blindly pointing fingers.
It does say something similar to you Qu'ran quote actually. "It will be harder for a rich man to enter heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle."
Not that I'm Christian but it doesn't make alot of sense for us to all get worked up about religion when that's not the real problem. The real problem is the elite who will use any religion or political movement to justify their atrocities.
I also found it interesting that Germans now accept Jews as "closer to their own" than middle easterns. I will have to ask some of my "comrades" to see if that is the case!
As far as the "wonderful" image that the Quran supports and LOVES everybody in existance... you must have forgotten that does not include the "infidels"! Which we all are (at least us non-muslims).
Oh, last but not least, I hope that my grammar was ok this time... I appreciate the class and look forward to another. While you are abolsutely correct, I believe that you know exactly what I was talking about... The spelling corrections were "typos" and the rest I just learned form you. I did not, however, spell that (thet) or least (lest) or your (ur), etc... You get the point!
Have a great weekend!
stormfront?!!
HA -HA -HA -HA -HA
..you nazis are funny
I remember a song we sang in church at
sunday school. Jesus loves all the little children
all the little children of the world.
THESE ARE THE CHOSEN ONES!
Anything else is mud and blood and dung. I'm no
christian but I sure don't worship MARDOC.
Onward christian solders my hairy ass.
MAMMOM is the enemy. Don't try to
cloth it in such simple lables.
Let's call it GREED & POWER.
Without humanity or compassion.
thing or someone they don't understand.
much of the heat is reflecting fear and insecurity. all
perfectly furthering divide and rule.
many argue as though they are on a winning side when the majority of the planet are clearly on the loosing side.
labels are both cheap and misleading so one should
look for types and patterns of the psychopaths who use what belongs to us against us.
these psychopaths are above religion and ethnicity
and to achieve a world fed. dictatorship would reguire
the demise of genuine christianity, islam and judaism
and the the demise of independant nationalism of
which Israel and the US are leaders.
there is nothing new about bumping off the hitman after he has done the dirty work.
in this scenario how many of us can put our hands up and say we are on the winning side?
thing or someone they don't understand.
much of the heat is reflecting fear and insecurity. all
perfectly furthering divide and rule.
many argue as though they are on a winning side when the majority of the planet are clearly on the loosing side.
labels are both cheap and misleading so one should
look for types and patterns of the psychopaths who use what belongs to us against us.
these psychopaths are above religion and ethnicity
and to achieve a world fed. dictatorship would reguire
the demise of genuine christianity, islam and judaism
and the the demise of independant nationalism of
which Israel and the US are leaders.
there is nothing new about bumping off the hitman after he has done the dirty work.
in this scenario how many of us can put our hands up and say we are on the winning side?
Your local C4 Expert.
But even if the source is identified as Israel, it does not implicate mossad. Contrary to public perception, Israel is a major arms exporter and its weapons are used by armed forces all over the world, including the US and EC. Israeli weapons proliferate around the world not because of its quality but rather because of its cheap price.
My Citizenship??? Indonesia
Where am I??? in USA
How am I doing??? Hanging in there
I can't make any "political" comment about what's going on , because I know that would not help to solve anything at all. But one thing I believe, that whoever posted comments here, either those with Trash Talking with Hatred shines all over it, or Educated ones with descriptive and persuasive words, They do have things in common; Fear and Compassion. Well I do.....
I fear how the world would be , I feel terrible for the innocent victims, including my family in Bali.
If someone thinks, I am in the wrong place at the wrong time....I'd say that's not true. Am I apathetic for what's going on? No, I'm just being and doing what The Supreme Being wants me to be, being human, live the life and try not to harm another in any way. We are just made from blood and flesh, we all NEED EACH OTHER to survive....if we want to survive.
Geoffrey Roche
PhD program
Department of Philosophy
University of Auckland
Indymedia is an open publishing system, in that anyone can post an article to it's news wire. There are lots of very important articles on this web site written by devoted activists in SF, as well as posting photos, personal accounts, etc of the last anti-war march. Sadly, there are also articles which are just not based on fact or logic, some of them posted by just ignorant people, but many of them are posted by those attempting to disrupt this news wire and the services it provides. It is really up to your own intelligence to be able to differentiate between BS and truth. This newswire requires that those seeking truth and progressive social change participate in the news writing for these open publishing sites to maintain the quality of writing and discussion, and to keep the trolls and disruptors at bay. Do not take this article as the "status quo" of the indymedia sites, or that it is what these sites prompt, because it would be dishonest and would ignore the vast amounts of articles posted by grassroots organizations for equality and justice.
The very first word received by the prophet was...read. read...good advice in these times when knowledge is mightier than brawn or missiles. Read and do not assume. Read and challenge it. Read and learn. Read and you shall find knowledge. not violence.
If you dare not read, ask those who knows. but i urge you to read it yourself and make your own judgement.
up for it?
I'm talking about INNOCENT killings in Israel. Most of them are done by the IDF, by far. Israel's human rights agency even admits this.
I am not here to call names, judge people or pretend I know better. I am a jew, living in Belgium. As a jew, I support Israel and it's actions, wheter the right or left wing is at the power. If asked wheter I'm a right-winger of left-winger, I reply I simply don't have enough information to judge. I do no know enough to be able to say who's fault it is, who's right and who's wrong.
I do not try to formulate my own conspiracy theories on the CIA, the MOSSAD or the JIHAD. Things are being done far beyond our knowledge. I do know I want peace, for both sides. I do know there are good arabs and muslims as well as bad ones. And it is the same for the Israelis. Let's just patiently hope and wait for peace, deplore the deaths of any victim, and be joyful the day peace has come. There is no good or bad religion, only good or bad interpretations.
Have a nice day, y'all, and please remember the only thing you know, is that you don't know. I will too.
And who is Rose Cohen? I am intrigued.
What part of the Koran have you read? Or have you read any of it at all? What has lead you to beleive that all Moslems are "cold blooded murderers"? Are all Christians guilty of the killing of 6 million Jews? Are all Jews guilty of the killing and displacement of millions of Palestinians? Where in the Koran have you found God/Allah instructing Moslems to kill in cold blood and without provocation? And without exhausting all possible avenues first. Your remarks are ignorant and mislead at best and racist and hatefull at worst.