Flashpoints Oct 8: Case against war; South Africa against Israel apartheid; ILWU

Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002 - Start Audio

Robert Knight and the Knight Report..

Bush calls for war, France and Russia still demur.. US Congress.. Oakland Berkeley rep Barbara Lee says Iraq war powers violates international law, "we do not need to rush to war.. before the UN has even had a chance to implement inspections.. work with the UN to ensure Iraq is not building weapons of mass destruction.. I am introducing an amendment.. where is the proof Iraq poses clear imminent danger?.. the new doctrine of pre-emption, is this the example we want to set for India and Pakistan?.. it is our duty to seek non-military methods."

a growing anti-apartheid movement against Israeli apartheid in Palestine.. while the world was confronting the apartheid government of South Africa, Israel solidifying its ties to South Africa.. now w Niam Jenna (sp?) of the South African Palestinian Solidarity Movement.. Niam: if the US attacks Iraq, it would create a new rule for the world.. gives the license for other nations to do whatever they want to their neighbors.. in the Palestinian context, translated by Sharon.. license to Sharon to do whatever he wants to the Palestinians.. I was in Palestine the week of 9/11 and within hours of the attack on NYC, Israel invaded Palestinian cities.. this time, the big danger is *transfer*, ie ethnic cleansing.. Dennis: when the ANC was fighting South Africa, they were referred to by the west as 'terrorists'.. Niam speaks tonight 7PM UC Berkeley 711 Barrows Hall.. tomorrow Boalt Hall, and tomorrow night at SF State theatre, more info: 510-334-5507.. Niam: one thing South Africans remember that Cheney called to leave Mandela in prison.. we were all called terrorists, now the same thing happening to Palestinians.. about the links between Israel and apartheid South Africa.. also links between ANC and the Palestinians.. a deep sense within black South Africans, here is another apartheid struggle.. the Palestinians even going through worse than we did.. white South Africa shared knowledge with Israel to build nuclear weapons.. when Mordecai Vanunu (link2) was arrested and convicted, he blew the whistle on the links between the two states.. about the apartheid parallels between Israel and South Africa.. in South Africa rights and priviledges flowed from one's being white.. in Israel rights and priviledges flow from one's being Jewish.. we managed to convince the world that apartheid is a bad thing.. Palestinians being told that apartheid is the solution.. bantustans.. comparison between the repression of black people in South Africa, and repression of Palestinians in Israel and historical Palestine.. the notion of collective punishment.. in South Africa we didn't fear collective punishment.. my mother did not have to fear when my brother was killed by the police.. common though for Palestinians.. family members arrested, tortured, deported, killed.. new strategies to win over Israel.

Monday, Oct 7, 2002 - Start Audio

List of the murdered Palestinians include:
1. Mohammed Hassan al-Astal, 15, killed by shrapnel throughout the body;
2. Abdullah Walid Salah, 16, killed by shrapnel throughout the body;
3. Ahmed 'Abdul Ra'ouf al-Astal, 16, killed by shrapnel throughout the body;
4. Fares 'Abdul Nasser Daoud al-Zaqzouq, 17, killed by shrapnel in the head;
5. Haitham Mousa Abu al-Naja, 27, killed by shrapnel throughout the body;
6. Ussama Mohammed 'Ali 'Aabdin, 23, killed by shrapnel throughout the body;
7. Eihab Helmi Dhib Khalaf, 22, killed by shrapnel throughout the body;
8. Ayman Mohammed Saqer, 35, killed by shrapnel throughout the body;
9. Mohammed Mustafa Sadiq, 20, killed by shrapnel throughout the body;
10. Jamal Fathi Muhareb, 18, killed by with several live bullets in the neck and the chest;
11. Mohammed Farhan Shaloula, 23, killed with a live bullet in the back;
12. Rahima Hassan 'Ali Salama, 50, shot by Israeli soldiers in her home, bled to death later;
13. 'Abdul Fattah Ali Suleiman al-Sallout, 40, was wounded in the chest by a heavy caliber bullet fired by an Israeli attack helicopter and later died...

more about the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine.. with Adam Shapiro of International Solidarity Movement (ISM).. Event: Adam speaking tonight at 145 Dwinnell Hall UC Berkeley 7:30PM.. Adam: a situation all too common.. this got attention because of the outrageousness of the attack.. I've been in Palestinian cities after an Israeli assault, and yes, people do come out in the street to check on their neighbors.. it seems to me that the Israelis were repelled.. and then an officer decided to get even.. supported by US, the Israelis consider all Palestinians as terrorist, no matter how old or young.. one of the options for Iraq, attack it like the Israelis attacked Jenin.. if you attack an urban city, you are attacking peoples' homes.. everybody has a right to defend their homes.. US military on the ground taking notes in Jenin during the assault.. Dennis: the Marine Times wrote that the US special forces were in Jenin.. Adam: about the Divestment conference in Michigan this weekend.. it's not about the existence of the state of Israel, not about being or not being Jewish.. about the illegal occupation of Palestine.. campaign modeled after South Africa.. the underlying attitude similar to colonial supremacy.. we need to take more action to force Israel to comply with international law.. Israeli are in fear, but they have to ask themselves why this fear.. the underlying reason is the occupation.. continuing and expanding.. getting rid of the occupation, the only way to get rid of the fear.. normal live for Palestinians nowadays is being locked in your house 24/7.. and living in great fear.. Dennis: olives an important crop for Palestinians, the harvest coming up.. Adam: olives an important crop, a good year for olives this year.. farmers land has been confiscated, or the land is near settlements, and settlers or army shoot at Palestinians.. everywhere is under curfew.. ISM is working to escort farmers to their fields.. they require international protection.. it would be great if the US or the UN would come, but they won't.. Dennis: how did you get involved, why? as a Jew.. Adam: trying to build bridges between Arab and Israeli kids.. I was on the ground when Sharon invaded the Temple Mount.. lethal force used against Palestinian protestors.. , unless Internationals were present.. American Jews need to separate support for Israel, from support for what Israel is doing.. Sharon fighting an expansionist war for land and to get rid of the Palestinian people.. about 'transfer' (ie ethnic cleansing) talked about in Israel.. Jane's Intelligence Review located Israeli forces in western Iraq.. looking for areas to settle Palestinian people.. even here in the US, Dick Armey called for 'transer'.. a hardcore Zionist agenda to find 'land for people for a people without land'.. we know Palestine was not empty, but the Zionists want to make it so.. Dennis: Jordan says it will militarily resist Israeli purge of the Palestinians.. Adam: to join us on the ground in Palestine, or support us, see our website: www.PalSolidarity.org.. more about the divestment campaign, see: Students for Jusice in Palestine.. about what the US is creating.. I've always felt safe in the Arab world, but it's becoming a world very unsafe for our children to live.