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Not in Kids' Name Either!

by Bikebell
Some of the most energetic demonstrators at the massive Not in Our Name peace demonstration (Oct. 6, 2002) were KIDS!
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Kids deserve a say in our future. After all, kids are the future! War affects kids in myriad ways. Many kids can still think and feel as healthy humans, their original beautiful selves, not having been brainwashed and crippled by the horrid system of social control. That spark of life shines through in this short video. Live free! And respect kids as people!


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by bov
This was so good to see . . . . well done. I loved hearing them scream when cars honked.
by Bikebell
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The Berkeley Critical Mass will ride this Friday Oct. 11.
Bring anti-war banners and signs to highlight the connection between oil and war, with bicycling being a quiet and peaceful alternative. SO LET'S MAKE SOME NOISE!

There will be a book release party after the ride, at AK Press, 674-A 23rd St., in honor of the release of "Critical Mass: Bicycling's Defiant Celebration", edited by Chris Carlsson. There will be readings, food and beverage, party games and a showing of Ted White's documentary, "Critical Mass: We are Traffic!"

A flyer is posted here and on the website for your information, please print and distribute if you can.

The ride gathers every second Friday (October 11) from 5:30 PM on at Constitution Plaza, at the main entrance to the downtown Berkeley BART station (west side of Shattuck Avenue between Allston and Center Streets). The ride leaves after 6 PM.

A sound system will be present for music and the message.

[Note, Critical Mass by nature has no leaders or stated political ideologies. All are welcome. This is a call for those many bicyclists who are outraged at the horrific destruction of our natural world by the oil and military industries to express themselves at this monthly "rolling free speech stage"].

Peace in the Streets: http://guest.xinet.com/bike/peace/
by kids rule the world
Can we just let kids rule the world?

(it's such a nice thought, the way i'm envisioning it,
no need to pick it apart semantically for something i
didn't intend).

by cp
hey, daylight savings will be happening soon so this will be the last opportunity to achieve critical mass during daylight for some time.
by Ffutal
The New York Observer's Ron Rosenbaum has a long but excellent article detailing his disillusionment with the left. I'll just quote the opening anecdote, which nicely captures the tone and substance of the piece:

So I went up to the antiwar demonstration in Central Park this weekend, hoping to hear some persuasive arguments. After a couple of hours there, listening to speeches, reading the hate-America literature, I still don't know what to think about Iraq . . . but I think I know what I feel about this antiwar movement. . . .

A movement of Marxist fringe groups and people who are unable to make moral distinctions. An inability summed up by a man holding a big poster that proudly identified him as "NYC TEACHER." The lesson "NYC TEACHER" had for the day was that "BUSH IS A DEVIL . . . HANDS OFF NORTH KOREA, IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN. . . ."

Yes, Bush is "a devil" compared to those enlightened regimes that torture and murder dissidents (like "NYC TEACHER"). Bush is certainly "a devil" compared to enlightened leaders like Kim Jong Il, who has reduced the North Korean people in his repulsive police state to eating moss on rocks; or to Saddam Hussein, who tortures and gasses opponents, and starves his people to fund his germ-war labs; or to the Taliban in Afghanistan, who beat women into burqas. Yes, surely compared to them, Bush is "a devil." Thank God New York's schoolchildren are in such good hands.

http://www.observer.com/pages/edgy.asp

Then again, the antiwar crowd is drawing some impressive supporters. Among the signers of the "Not in Our Name" petition are Al Koholic, the renowned professor of mixology, and Dick R. Hertz, the famous "self-employed employment specialist." Not yet on the list are Seymour Butz and I.P. Freely.

http://www.nion.us

Still, Javed Chaudhri, a professor at New Hampshire's Keene State College, is optimistic. "An ocean is made up of one drop of water at a time--peace movements start the same," the Associated Press quotes him as telling a rally in Brattleboro, Vt. Apparently Chaudhri teaches a course on Afghanistan at KSC. Oh well, it could be worse--he could be teaching oceanography.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021008/ap_on_re_us/anti_war_movement_1
by Spider Dude
Saddam like to tourture children in front of thier parents.
Sometimes they place the child naked in a box of hornets as thier parents watch.Its all true,this is not propaganda made up by the "jew" or the goverment.It real and documented,cheak out
http://www.Iraqtourture.com
http://www.Iraq.net
http://www.Iraqfoundation.org
by Sheepdog
More spook smoke shops
First link doesn't exist
Second link is in a language I don't understand
do you?
Third link doesn't exist.
Please try again uh, "Spider Dude"
Did I ever introduce the folk to project
MOCKINBIRD? Do a search engine
here's a link
http://www.totse.com/en/media/the_media_industrial_complex/mockingb.html
And you thought the CIA was forbidden to engage in
domestic operations!
Probably thick as flies now.
A growth industry for facists.
by Sheepdog
More spook smoke shops
First link doesn't exist
Second link is in a language I don't understand
do you?
Third link doesn't exist.
Please try again uh, "Spider Dude"
Did I ever introduce the folk to project
MOCKINGBIRD? Do a search engine
here's a link
http://www.totse.com/en/media/the_media_industrial_complex/mockingb.html
And you thought the CIA was forbidden to engage in
domestic operations!
Probably thick as flies now.
A growth industry for facists.
by cp
hey, what does any of that have to do with the kids?

the majority of the public doesn't want to escalate bombing of Iraq any more than we are right now without the support of the UN. this is a democracy, theoretically, therefore we shouldn't be doing what only the minority wants.
by .........
"this is a democracy, theoretically,"

err, no. This is a Republic. Its never been a democracy.

H. Con Res 443 (Dec. 4, 2000) reaffirms the non-democratic nature of the United States. You can view the full text at this link.

http://lists.fsr.com/vision2020/2000/0012/msg00049.html

by kym hines (kymhothead [at] telus.net)
love the footage of the children, thanx so much. many here in kkkanada are supporting No War. thanx for sharing the footage and representing! keep up the Good Fight!
Peace.
by Ffutal
More and more prominent Americans are signing the "Not in My Name" petition urging President Bush to keep Saddam in power. Signers include "concerned citizen" Ben Dover, Du Mba Sanostrich of the highly respected Neville Chamberlain Society for the Denial of the Obvious and Youcommies Are Nuts of Crush Murderous Dictators Inc.

Actually, I hate to sound suspicious, but is it possible that last name is a fake?
by Ffutal
Yesterday I noted a remark by Prof. Javed Chaudhri, a professor at New Hampshire's prestigious Keene State University, who told a "peace" rally: "An ocean is made up of one drop of water at a time--peace movements start the same." Having sent this by e-mail to a friend, it prompted her to do some math. Following is part of her return e-mail:

There are approximately 80 drops of water per teaspoon (based on a small, unscientific experiment I ran). Since there are three teaspoons per tablespoon, 16 tablespoons per cup, two cups per pint, two pints per quart, and four quarts per gallon, then there are 80 x 3 x 16 x 2 x 2 x 4, or 61,440, drops of water per gallon. Take this and multiply by the volume of water in the ocean (which I found on the web page below to be 362 trillion gallons), and you have roughly 22 quintillion drops of water in the ocean, give or take a few.

I think if somebody said something to me like this, I'd be depressed! One drop in the ocean?

http://www.mrwa.com/waterweekschool.htm

And yet it does seem to be the case that the "antiwar" folks are a bunch of drips.
by Sheepdog
Begins with a single drop of rain on a partched
landscape, alone and quickly absorbed into the
dry dust. Time to start constructing a peace arc.
More to come.
by TY
on a partched landscape may first absorb, but eventually all it does is wash the topsoil away and make things worse, which is a good illustration of what the anti-war movement would do.
by Ffutal
The Weekly Standard's Jonathan Last has an amusing column about the incoherence of the "antiwar" left:

At yesterday's "Prominent Citizens Oppose War with Iraq" press conference, a large placard sat next to the panelists at the front of the room that read: "UN Inspections--Not U.S. War." A little free marketing advice: "Make Love, Not War" was a lot catchier. . . .

The religious left, in the person of Linda Fuller, of Habitat for Humanity, asked, "Can you imagine the difference if we voted, as a nation, to pray for Osama bin Laden?" Fuller then recounted a story about her son. Evidently, when he was a young boy there was another kid in the neighborhood who always bullied him. Confronted with what to do about this bully, Fuller convinced her son to invite him to his birthday party. The bully came to the party, and afterwards, the two were fast friends. Paul Wolfowitz, take note.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/755pdotl.asp

The Chicago Tribune reports things are so bad that a protest rally in Berkeley, of all places, drew a mere 200 people, "a far cry from the tumultuous anti-war rallies of the Vietnam era."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationwide/chi-0210100282oct10,0,1389942.story

Then again, the "Not in Our Name" petition continues to draw signatures from prominent Americans, including Neville Chamberlain, Sweet Daddy, Just A Slut, Weldon M. Rumproast, George I Like Throwing Bombs On Poor People Bush and Jose Arturo Jiminez, a self-described "intelectual."
by Ffutal
Earlier I noted my friends calculation of the number of drops of water in the ocean. It appears her source underestimated the number of gallons of water in the world's oceans by six orders of magnitude: According to the U.S. Navy, there are actually 361.2 quintillion gallons of ocean water, not 362 trillion. That would put the number of drops at some 22.2 septillion, not 22 quintillion. I regret the error.

http://pao.cnmoc.navy.mil/educate/neptune/trivia/earth.htm
by Sheepdog
We should give up since the task is huge.
Give up, go home.
I Don't Think So.
Sometimes a phyops operation can include
activities that render the "target population"
in a state of perceived futility in order to
stop or slow down any sign of organization
against the state's objectives.
The deluge is coming and it won't just be top soil
washed away. See ya.
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