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Anaconda lockdown - Maxxam/PL remains defiant in court order
Over 20 non-violent forest activists who stayed out overnight at Fox Camp Gate, in the Mattole Watershed, caught Maxxam/Pacific Lumber red-handed violating Judge John Golden's August 29th stay, which ordered that all logging operations on all company land must cease.
For Immediate Release
October 1, 2002
Contact Naomi Wagner: (707) 629-3546
MAXXAM/PL CAUGHT VIOLATING JUDGES ORDER - ACTIVIST ARRESTED
Over 20 non-violent forest activists who stayed out overnight at Fox Camp Gate, in the Mattole Watershed, caught Maxxam/Pacific Lumber red-handed violating Judge John Golden's August 29th stay, which ordered that all logging operations on all company land must cease. When the Humboldt County Sheriff arrived the activist's 24 hour blockade was destroyed and one man was arrested.
Despite repeated clarifications strengthening and extending the stay, Maxxam/PL has continued to conduct business as usual, felling trees, and yarding and hauling the logs that they have cut in defiance of the five-week-old ruling.
In fact, Maxxam/PL has completed clear-cutting on at least nine Timber Harvest Plans, from Fox Camp to Taylor Peak, since the stay was issued.
"Why is the Judge's ruling not being enforced and why are they allowed to profit from illegal logging?" asked local resident and activist Naomi Wagner, after she viewed the scene of the car blockade at Fox Camp Gate.
At dawn on Monday, three log trucks and numerous Lewis Logging and Wills Trucking vehicles carrying crews to work, passed through the gate and across Humboldt Redwood State Park property to their off-limits Timber Harvest Plans. On their way out, the first fully loaded log truck was stopped by a strategically placed older model car, spray-painted with the message: "Maxxam Out of Humboldt County!".
An activist attached himself to the outside of the car by locking his arms into a sixteen-foot-long "anaconda," a flexible, tubular lock-box covered in silver duct tape, coiled through the car's windows and trunk.
Activists are willing to take risks including arrest prevent the cutting of old-growth, clearcutting, logging on steep slopes, and the use of toxic herbicides in the forest. Maxxam/PL's operations in the Mattole include all of these unsustainable practices, causing massive erosion which increases the potential for landslides in this seismically active area, and destroys crucial habitat for numerous endangered species.
This protest is focused specifically on Maxxam/PL's flagrant flouting of Judge Golden's rule. The order stems from a lawsuit filed by the Environmental Protection Information Center (EPIC), the Sierra Club, and United Steelworkers of America against the California Department of Forestry (CDF), California Fish and Game, and Maxxam/PL. Golden ruled that they failed to comply with the conditions of the Incidental Take Permit under the Sustained Yield Plan, as required by the 1998 Headwaters Forest Agreement.
After three years of non-compliance, including crucial "lost" documents, the stay was issued prohibiting all further logging operations. Company officials, subcontractors and security guards have feigned ignorance of the court order, although Maxxam/PL lawyer Frank Basik acknowledged in court the "broad and sweeping" nature of the ruling. When called upon to enforce the ruling, CDF said it would "defer to the company's interpretation," and newly elected Humboldt County Sheriff Gary Philps says he can not enforce the ruling in this civil case until Maxxam/PL is found in contempt of court. The Sheriffs, have arrested some twenty people in logging protests over the last two weeks.
"I'm not leaving until they haul me to jail," said the activist from his lockdown, "I'm here to fight for the trees."
Humboldt residents have vowed to maintain blockades until a contempt order is issued and enforced. They call on the community for solidarity and support.
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October 1, 2002
Contact Naomi Wagner: (707) 629-3546
MAXXAM/PL CAUGHT VIOLATING JUDGES ORDER - ACTIVIST ARRESTED
Over 20 non-violent forest activists who stayed out overnight at Fox Camp Gate, in the Mattole Watershed, caught Maxxam/Pacific Lumber red-handed violating Judge John Golden's August 29th stay, which ordered that all logging operations on all company land must cease. When the Humboldt County Sheriff arrived the activist's 24 hour blockade was destroyed and one man was arrested.
Despite repeated clarifications strengthening and extending the stay, Maxxam/PL has continued to conduct business as usual, felling trees, and yarding and hauling the logs that they have cut in defiance of the five-week-old ruling.
In fact, Maxxam/PL has completed clear-cutting on at least nine Timber Harvest Plans, from Fox Camp to Taylor Peak, since the stay was issued.
"Why is the Judge's ruling not being enforced and why are they allowed to profit from illegal logging?" asked local resident and activist Naomi Wagner, after she viewed the scene of the car blockade at Fox Camp Gate.
At dawn on Monday, three log trucks and numerous Lewis Logging and Wills Trucking vehicles carrying crews to work, passed through the gate and across Humboldt Redwood State Park property to their off-limits Timber Harvest Plans. On their way out, the first fully loaded log truck was stopped by a strategically placed older model car, spray-painted with the message: "Maxxam Out of Humboldt County!".
An activist attached himself to the outside of the car by locking his arms into a sixteen-foot-long "anaconda," a flexible, tubular lock-box covered in silver duct tape, coiled through the car's windows and trunk.
Activists are willing to take risks including arrest prevent the cutting of old-growth, clearcutting, logging on steep slopes, and the use of toxic herbicides in the forest. Maxxam/PL's operations in the Mattole include all of these unsustainable practices, causing massive erosion which increases the potential for landslides in this seismically active area, and destroys crucial habitat for numerous endangered species.
This protest is focused specifically on Maxxam/PL's flagrant flouting of Judge Golden's rule. The order stems from a lawsuit filed by the Environmental Protection Information Center (EPIC), the Sierra Club, and United Steelworkers of America against the California Department of Forestry (CDF), California Fish and Game, and Maxxam/PL. Golden ruled that they failed to comply with the conditions of the Incidental Take Permit under the Sustained Yield Plan, as required by the 1998 Headwaters Forest Agreement.
After three years of non-compliance, including crucial "lost" documents, the stay was issued prohibiting all further logging operations. Company officials, subcontractors and security guards have feigned ignorance of the court order, although Maxxam/PL lawyer Frank Basik acknowledged in court the "broad and sweeping" nature of the ruling. When called upon to enforce the ruling, CDF said it would "defer to the company's interpretation," and newly elected Humboldt County Sheriff Gary Philps says he can not enforce the ruling in this civil case until Maxxam/PL is found in contempt of court. The Sheriffs, have arrested some twenty people in logging protests over the last two weeks.
"I'm not leaving until they haul me to jail," said the activist from his lockdown, "I'm here to fight for the trees."
Humboldt residents have vowed to maintain blockades until a contempt order is issued and enforced. They call on the community for solidarity and support.
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I truly hope that Judge Golden hangs in there to the point where he can put the entire Sheriff's Dept. and every PL/Maxxam "mouthpiece" in the same jail cell. To live in an area where your public servents flaunt their corruptness must be very disheartening. To every tree-sitter and forest defender, be strong and resolute. We are watching from all corners of this country and want you to prevail.
"I'm not leaving until they haul me to jail" the activist said.
They have hauled him to jail.
They have hauled him to jail.
Now all the enviros will think him a Prophet and will write chants in his name.
There goes Remedy's mom again (source of the Remedy) insulting more folks. Mrs. Of the Remedy, I remember once you wishing the name calling and insults to stop. Yet again, by insinuating that the sherrifs department and others in Hum. County are corrupt you are spewing insults at people.
Sherrifs can not arrest people unless they have broken a law. When the judge decides that PL has broken a law, he will issue an order stating so. The police can not interpret the stay. Don't fault the law officers. Yet again your lack of information and inability to think before you speak has left you with a hollow arguement. Grow up and stop calling names. Your double standard is embarrassing.
Sherrifs can not arrest people unless they have broken a law. When the judge decides that PL has broken a law, he will issue an order stating so. The police can not interpret the stay. Don't fault the law officers. Yet again your lack of information and inability to think before you speak has left you with a hollow arguement. Grow up and stop calling names. Your double standard is embarrassing.
... the local big bucks and( local) law enforcement
need I do A LITTLE digging with links? Do me a favor!
need I do A LITTLE digging with links? Do me a favor!
S-dog.
I am not saying that the actions of law inforcement in Hum. County are kosher. It is just that the debate need not include attacks and insults.
As far as the necessity of digging, that is the point of this web site. It you find concrete evidence (not opinion) of wrong doing, then post it. Please, do some digging.
Facts would add to the discussion and enlighten readers. Insults only bring the debate down.
Meow.
I am not saying that the actions of law inforcement in Hum. County are kosher. It is just that the debate need not include attacks and insults.
As far as the necessity of digging, that is the point of this web site. It you find concrete evidence (not opinion) of wrong doing, then post it. Please, do some digging.
Facts would add to the discussion and enlighten readers. Insults only bring the debate down.
Meow.
Thank you for the encourragement... Let’s see, set search engine to Maxxam...
Oh... you are some bad boys, let's see a few selectons.
-In addition, the management directed workers to "engage in numerous regulatory vio-lations that adversely affected the environment, water quality, animal and fish habitat and
Native American cultural values protected by law,"-
http://bari.iww.org/iu120/local/Chandler.html
http://www.iww.org/iu120/local/maxxam.html
-Several backwoods activists report being beaten with sticks by loggers as Humboldt County Sheriff deputies looked the other way.-
http://www.mattoledefense.org/alerts/05142001_update.html
-Current legal actions against Maxxam/Pacific Lumber include an environmental
lawsuit charging one million violations of the Clean Water Act, a wrongful death lawsuit concerning the death of David Gypsy Chain, who was killed when an angry
PL logger felled a tree on him-
http://www.mattoledefense.org/alerts/04112001_update.html
-massively violated the federal Endangered Species
Act with the logging of Owl Creek's marbled murrelet observation stations before a court ordered survey was complete. He later lost a lawsuit in federal court and was ordered to pay $1.2 million
http://www.jailhurwitz.com/sevensins.html
HUMBOLDT COUNTY, CA - Citing more than a million violations of the Clean Water Act, the Garberville-based Environmental Protection Information Center (EPIC) put Maxxam/Pacific Lumber (Maxxam/PL) on formal notice today that they will file a federal lawsuit in 60 days if the company continues to illegally discharge pollution into five watersheds-
-"Many cities and other industries have spent billions of dollars on doing their part to keep California's waters clean. Rather than investing in true pollution control,
Maxxam/PL chooses to spend their money on lawyers and hired guns to subvert the efforts of Water Quality every step of the way," said Earthjustice's Lozeau-.
http://www.wildcalifornia.org/press_releases/2001/pr022201.html
The Department of Fish and Game, which could impose a stiff penalty on the company, is
refusing to enforce the law and fine PL for these blatant violations. They claim that the
violations were "technical in nature," and that they did not result in significant damage.
The Fish and Game Code in section 1603.1 states "every person who violates Section 1603 is
subject to a civil penalty of not more than twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000) for each
violation."
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/9901/violations.html
I think you got a bucket load of crap and a high priced PR blitz is your efort to
spread it thin and is just causing more stink.
As for local police being in your pocket, let me just say... Judi Bari.
Oh... you are some bad boys, let's see a few selectons.
-In addition, the management directed workers to "engage in numerous regulatory vio-lations that adversely affected the environment, water quality, animal and fish habitat and
Native American cultural values protected by law,"-
http://bari.iww.org/iu120/local/Chandler.html
http://www.iww.org/iu120/local/maxxam.html
-Several backwoods activists report being beaten with sticks by loggers as Humboldt County Sheriff deputies looked the other way.-
http://www.mattoledefense.org/alerts/05142001_update.html
-Current legal actions against Maxxam/Pacific Lumber include an environmental
lawsuit charging one million violations of the Clean Water Act, a wrongful death lawsuit concerning the death of David Gypsy Chain, who was killed when an angry
PL logger felled a tree on him-
http://www.mattoledefense.org/alerts/04112001_update.html
-massively violated the federal Endangered Species
Act with the logging of Owl Creek's marbled murrelet observation stations before a court ordered survey was complete. He later lost a lawsuit in federal court and was ordered to pay $1.2 million
http://www.jailhurwitz.com/sevensins.html
HUMBOLDT COUNTY, CA - Citing more than a million violations of the Clean Water Act, the Garberville-based Environmental Protection Information Center (EPIC) put Maxxam/Pacific Lumber (Maxxam/PL) on formal notice today that they will file a federal lawsuit in 60 days if the company continues to illegally discharge pollution into five watersheds-
-"Many cities and other industries have spent billions of dollars on doing their part to keep California's waters clean. Rather than investing in true pollution control,
Maxxam/PL chooses to spend their money on lawyers and hired guns to subvert the efforts of Water Quality every step of the way," said Earthjustice's Lozeau-.
http://www.wildcalifornia.org/press_releases/2001/pr022201.html
The Department of Fish and Game, which could impose a stiff penalty on the company, is
refusing to enforce the law and fine PL for these blatant violations. They claim that the
violations were "technical in nature," and that they did not result in significant damage.
The Fish and Game Code in section 1603.1 states "every person who violates Section 1603 is
subject to a civil penalty of not more than twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000) for each
violation."
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/9901/violations.html
I think you got a bucket load of crap and a high priced PR blitz is your efort to
spread it thin and is just causing more stink.
As for local police being in your pocket, let me just say... Judi Bari.
Thank you for the substance filled arguement S-dog.
While most of your listings are opinion oriented to a large degree, at least there was some relation to fact.
I neither remember discussing the forest pracitce rules or the FBI in previous statements, and will abstain at this time from those topics for brevity's sake. I also don't remember stating a given affiliation to any corperation. Your assumptions may continue to fly as to the truth of that.
In regards to the local police, the incident that occured in 1998 was terrible, but not quite a clear example of police corruption. The testimony was reduced to he said-she said. It would have been extremely difficult for anyone to proove that the faller was guilty beyond a resonable doubt (remember O.J?).There was an investigation and it turned out that they could not get enough evidence. The actions that occur in the woods may be a better arguement. The catch is the motive. Why would law officers risk their careers to shove some protesters?
Tell you what, show me an instance where the police have taken bribes in return for actions and then you have corruption.
The Judi Bari reference is something I confess to having little knowlege on. Local law enforcement had little control over the actions of Oakland. You may need to say more that just that name to get your point across. Unlike your previous posting, I will neither assume who you are, or what you are thinking beyond what you post.
Meow
While most of your listings are opinion oriented to a large degree, at least there was some relation to fact.
I neither remember discussing the forest pracitce rules or the FBI in previous statements, and will abstain at this time from those topics for brevity's sake. I also don't remember stating a given affiliation to any corperation. Your assumptions may continue to fly as to the truth of that.
In regards to the local police, the incident that occured in 1998 was terrible, but not quite a clear example of police corruption. The testimony was reduced to he said-she said. It would have been extremely difficult for anyone to proove that the faller was guilty beyond a resonable doubt (remember O.J?).There was an investigation and it turned out that they could not get enough evidence. The actions that occur in the woods may be a better arguement. The catch is the motive. Why would law officers risk their careers to shove some protesters?
Tell you what, show me an instance where the police have taken bribes in return for actions and then you have corruption.
The Judi Bari reference is something I confess to having little knowlege on. Local law enforcement had little control over the actions of Oakland. You may need to say more that just that name to get your point across. Unlike your previous posting, I will neither assume who you are, or what you are thinking beyond what you post.
Meow
Let me get this straight, you want me to produce prima facto evidence of specific palm greasing by MAXXAM to local law enforcement? This IS still america where proof of guilt rests with the plaintiff but I’m not getting paid enough for MY time, and why duplicate efforts?
With the track record of MAXXAM legal and moral problems (dispite the legal staff I’m sure that is in retainer) fines and its apparent disregard for existing
statues , regulations and even court orders,I don’t think not being able to nail them with photographic or written proof with only a keyboard, is a standard I must reach.
Here folks, have some more links concerning MAXXAM rape of the oldgrowth and
the surrounding communities.
And this is just one of the companies many arms.
First, their home page.
http://www.thednalab.com/Main/QA.asp
I guess Genetics research is are a good bet, scroll down to see all the enterprises.
now more links for the general audience.
http://www.treesfoundation.org/html/publications_article_37.html
Pacific law^
http://www.wildcalifornia.org/THP/PacificLumber/index.html
Logging info-deeplink^
http://hcs.harvard.edu/~eac/maxxam.html
open letter to share holders^
http://www.asis.com/~coho/index.html
another gen. deeplink
I realize that a great deal of resources have been put into a damage control PR investment.
Why doesn’t MAXXAM just respect this world?
It might save so much legal expenses and allow them to downsize their PR staff.
With the track record of MAXXAM legal and moral problems (dispite the legal staff I’m sure that is in retainer) fines and its apparent disregard for existing
statues , regulations and even court orders,I don’t think not being able to nail them with photographic or written proof with only a keyboard, is a standard I must reach.
Here folks, have some more links concerning MAXXAM rape of the oldgrowth and
the surrounding communities.
And this is just one of the companies many arms.
First, their home page.
http://www.thednalab.com/Main/QA.asp
I guess Genetics research is are a good bet, scroll down to see all the enterprises.
now more links for the general audience.
http://www.treesfoundation.org/html/publications_article_37.html
Pacific law^
http://www.wildcalifornia.org/THP/PacificLumber/index.html
Logging info-deeplink^
http://hcs.harvard.edu/~eac/maxxam.html
open letter to share holders^
http://www.asis.com/~coho/index.html
another gen. deeplink
I realize that a great deal of resources have been put into a damage control PR investment.
Why doesn’t MAXXAM just respect this world?
It might save so much legal expenses and allow them to downsize their PR staff.
"sometimes people just die" Terry Farmer-Humboldt county District attorney in reference to David Chain's death.
I'm not going to lay out all of the evidence, but I will tell you that Jaun Freeman(sheriff's investigator) coached A.E. Ammons(murdered Gypsy) during his investigation. If you looked at the transcript or heard the recording of the initial investigation at the Sheriff's department, you'd know why I say coached. If you knew all the facts of what A.E.'s motives where prior to this incident, you'd say at the least, he should have been charged with manslaughter 1. However, Terry Farmer in agreement with Juany boy, covered up this murder/manslaughter. You see, at a local level, the DA decides what to charge and what to brush off. Terry decided to brush off this incident, probably with cooperation from the past largest employer of the county. There's a bunch of boxes of documentation to David's death, but since the civil suit settled out of court and the DA choose to never prosecute, the public is and will always be left in the blind on this subject. Leaving it to be a mystery and topic of discussion that never ends to most.
It's time for this community to heal, but the Chain incident was mishandled by the appropriate law enforcement authorities.
A new DA takes office in January of 2003 and the new sheriff has already taken office for the county of Humboldt. Maybe some changes will occur and the healing can begin once the fraud and lies stop at the local government level.
I'm not going to lay out all of the evidence, but I will tell you that Jaun Freeman(sheriff's investigator) coached A.E. Ammons(murdered Gypsy) during his investigation. If you looked at the transcript or heard the recording of the initial investigation at the Sheriff's department, you'd know why I say coached. If you knew all the facts of what A.E.'s motives where prior to this incident, you'd say at the least, he should have been charged with manslaughter 1. However, Terry Farmer in agreement with Juany boy, covered up this murder/manslaughter. You see, at a local level, the DA decides what to charge and what to brush off. Terry decided to brush off this incident, probably with cooperation from the past largest employer of the county. There's a bunch of boxes of documentation to David's death, but since the civil suit settled out of court and the DA choose to never prosecute, the public is and will always be left in the blind on this subject. Leaving it to be a mystery and topic of discussion that never ends to most.
It's time for this community to heal, but the Chain incident was mishandled by the appropriate law enforcement authorities.
A new DA takes office in January of 2003 and the new sheriff has already taken office for the county of Humboldt. Maybe some changes will occur and the healing can begin once the fraud and lies stop at the local government level.
S-dog. Accusations should be backed up with evidence is all I am trying to say. It makes for a better arguement. The debate is multifaceted and corruption is but a piece of the puzzle. I am afraid that I am not yet sold on what you have to say, but I don't think you are totally off base. But your job is not to convince me.
One thing though, Judi Bari is your movement's best martyr. She was intelligent, effective, and understood that there were people on both sides of the issue. Please don't go throwing her name out cheaply to add emotional pull to an argument she has little to do with.
From what I can gather, she had more resistance from other branches of EF that from the Hum County Law. My original statement was about the fairness of the accusal of corruption toward the local police. Your replies have danced around the issues.
Semp, now you have a good response. There may have been some inappropriate actions in that event. But does it boil down to corruption? I don't think it is all that cut and dry. Simply disagreeing with the outcome does not allow for the demonization of those who made the decisions. It is possible that the law officials had information that you are not privy to. There is also the idea that the view point of those protesters are locally in the minority of those that would make up a possible jury. There is no way that the logger would be convicted. Just as I see it.
Meow
One thing though, Judi Bari is your movement's best martyr. She was intelligent, effective, and understood that there were people on both sides of the issue. Please don't go throwing her name out cheaply to add emotional pull to an argument she has little to do with.
From what I can gather, she had more resistance from other branches of EF that from the Hum County Law. My original statement was about the fairness of the accusal of corruption toward the local police. Your replies have danced around the issues.
Semp, now you have a good response. There may have been some inappropriate actions in that event. But does it boil down to corruption? I don't think it is all that cut and dry. Simply disagreeing with the outcome does not allow for the demonization of those who made the decisions. It is possible that the law officials had information that you are not privy to. There is also the idea that the view point of those protesters are locally in the minority of those that would make up a possible jury. There is no way that the logger would be convicted. Just as I see it.
Meow
why is it that the locals view the protesters as so out there. well part of it might be in the way the debate is pushed by the activists themselves. the other huge part goes back to Judi's case. Law enforcement(4.4 million dollar verdict for violating Judi's 1st amendmant rights) and the corporations spent millions upon millions in a PR campaigns to discredit these folks. Hill & Knowlton is a multi-national public relations firm who was hired back in the day to discredit the forest forever initiative & the entire forest defense movement the same year Judi was bombed. The lies are deeply rooted back then and even prior. Hill & Knowlton brought you the yellow ribbon campaign for desert storm. They also brought you the yellow ribbon campaign for the timber workers back in 1990. The lies and deceit started prior to that, but that's what comes to mind. Why is it that every judge recussed themselves from the mattole civil suit against those activists for the winter 200 campaign? why is it that an out of town judge is overseeing the present epic case which judge golden has issued a stay on all of PL's logging operations? why is it, that when a logger sucker punches an activist, the DA chooses not to file charges when the incident was documented at the hospital and a report was filed with the sheriff's office? that same battery incident wasn't processed by the DA's office for almost four months after they recieved the paper work from the sheriff's deputy. the line from the DA's office was the sheriff didn't do that through of an investigation on the battery and caused them not to be able to prosecute the sucker puncher(Ed Lewis of Lewis logging). the list goes on and on, but the overall theme, justice in humboldt is blind. if you challenge things, don't expect much sympathy. yet, our nation is founded on that premise(was what the boston tea party?). rise up, resist so that your children's children can see a endangered coho salmon someday off in the future.
grrrr
grrrr
You can't fault PR firms or industry for taking the expected recourse and defending themselves.
Of course the timber industry spent millions against protesters. They stood to lose millions more.
Getting upset at the yellow ribbon campaign is unfair. The workers in the timber industry had felt more and more isolated as the timber wars progressed. Getting laid off and having their morallity questioned at the same time is not a good situation to be in. The ribbons were designed to show some sense of solidarity in an otherwise indiviualistic occupation.
While opponents feared a unifed timber front, there was no reason to assume nefarious intentions behind it.
As far as Ed Lewis is concerned, just try to "sucker punch" someone for a moving truck. It is difficult to see how the driver of a moving vehicle could sneak up on someone, lean out of his cab, and punch someone. I am not denying the action took place. I am questioning the interpretation.
Police have never been charged with the responsibility to defend and protect freedom. That task has always been in the hands of the people. Don't expect that those guarding the system will bend your way in the name of Karma.
meow
Of course the timber industry spent millions against protesters. They stood to lose millions more.
Getting upset at the yellow ribbon campaign is unfair. The workers in the timber industry had felt more and more isolated as the timber wars progressed. Getting laid off and having their morallity questioned at the same time is not a good situation to be in. The ribbons were designed to show some sense of solidarity in an otherwise indiviualistic occupation.
While opponents feared a unifed timber front, there was no reason to assume nefarious intentions behind it.
As far as Ed Lewis is concerned, just try to "sucker punch" someone for a moving truck. It is difficult to see how the driver of a moving vehicle could sneak up on someone, lean out of his cab, and punch someone. I am not denying the action took place. I am questioning the interpretation.
Police have never been charged with the responsibility to defend and protect freedom. That task has always been in the hands of the people. Don't expect that those guarding the system will bend your way in the name of Karma.
meow
As long as the - cost benefit analysis- mentality persists, this world's bueaty is doomed. It will be torn open, used and left for the mending of time, far beyond our lives. This is theft and rape of our common heritage and your oil can’t soothe the raw wounds unconscionable greed has left on a world that does not belong to you.
We belong to it.
Like I said, the PR budget would could be trimmed.
We belong to it.
Like I said, the PR budget would could be trimmed.
The Earth is not my mother. There is no graven image which can be produced from what the Earth holds that I intend on worshipping. It was created for a purpose. Once that purpose has been completed, it will no longer be of any use and will be destroyed.
Clean up in aisle. 7
Ejustacdeinator! Clean-up on previous post! -Hazard-
7 bring goggles, tongs, large forceps, net & softball bat
Ejustacdeinator! Clean-up on previous post! -Hazard-
7 bring goggles, tongs, large forceps, net & softball bat
Pisses you off to have to consider it, don't it sheepy? Easier just to sweep under the rug. Typical.
Is Wildcat a cop?
That other post obviously doesn't know what the web of life is or the cosmos. Dominator shall find out one day that he is a part of creation, just as everything else is on this planet.
That other post obviously doesn't know what the web of life is or the cosmos. Dominator shall find out one day that he is a part of creation, just as everything else is on this planet.
These are typical disruptive/intimidation
methods, tried and true.
The OTHER side, you know, the robots who
mask them selves as human, have little else
to use. Hence obvious the lack of life or soul in
their tired, useless, pointless, colorless, existence.
When your life's rewards consist of the next
paycheck (!) and what it can do. A vacuum inside
that must be filled. Unable to receive the life
all around them, poor ruined things...
methods, tried and true.
The OTHER side, you know, the robots who
mask them selves as human, have little else
to use. Hence obvious the lack of life or soul in
their tired, useless, pointless, colorless, existence.
When your life's rewards consist of the next
paycheck (!) and what it can do. A vacuum inside
that must be filled. Unable to receive the life
all around them, poor ruined things...
For me that's the beauty of being a conservative. The important people and things that are my life, i.e., my spouse, my children, my faith, my job, my home, my community work, my leisure activities, I enjoy because of the individual pleasure they each hold. I have found that many of my left-leaning friends and acquaintances make themselves miserable over worry. They are more concerned with themselves and what makes them happy than they are about loving and helping others, even those of their own family. It is no wonder with that type of mindset they hold deep resentment for conservatives.
Enjoy your astro-turf.
Leave our heritage the fuck alone
Did I ever tell you about the links
between the republicians and the nazis?
Leave our heritage the fuck alone
Did I ever tell you about the links
between the republicians and the nazis?
Enjoy your astro-turf.
Leave our heritage the fuck alone
Did I ever tell you about the links
between the republicians and the nazis?
Leave our heritage the fuck alone
Did I ever tell you about the links
between the republicians and the nazis?
Sheepdog, you need to read some psychological studies about the personality of people who feel they must get in "The Last Word". You have it bad.
Here's some word and phrases describing this condition:
adolescent pride in their stupidity
childish
infantlike
immature
narrowminded
shallow
foolish
incompetent
simple-minded
weak-minded
deficient
a need to feel superior when all other have lost interest
inferiority complex
Here's some word and phrases describing this condition:
adolescent pride in their stupidity
childish
infantlike
immature
narrowminded
shallow
foolish
incompetent
simple-minded
weak-minded
deficient
a need to feel superior when all other have lost interest
inferiority complex
The German National Socialist party believed that all of the nations resources were to be utilized for the good of the nation. There were no private property rights. They believed that in order to create the perfect society they would have to get back to the Earth and reach what they understood as the natural state. All things that did not fit into that natural state (ie. minorities and disabled people) were expendable. The Nazis were proponents of organic farming and even Hitler himself was a vegetarian. Those beleifs do not resemble the views of the republican party.
S-Dog, your comments suggest a very anti-humanist perspective. Dehumanizing those who think differently is a common tactic for hate mongers and dictators.
Your words are testimony to why no rational thinking human will agree will you. May you grow and learn.
Log on
S-Dog, your comments suggest a very anti-humanist perspective. Dehumanizing those who think differently is a common tactic for hate mongers and dictators.
Your words are testimony to why no rational thinking human will agree will you. May you grow and learn.
Log on
[Well maybe I have:]
adolescent pride in their stupidity
[And of course I’m]
childish
infantlike
immature
narrowminded
shallow
foolish
incompetent
simple-minded
weak-minded
deficient
[ and have a ]
a need to feel superior when all other have lost interest
[plus an] inferiority complex
and you’ve ONLY scratched the surface. Your barber shop
diagnosis has, of course, hurt me deeply. I’m so ashamed.
Particularly since these are my good points! And so true.
Europe takes care of their forests in the countries that
have learned about centuries of living there. Only countries in dire economic trouble waste their treasures on quick term profit. The people are cheated.
Only the buzzards of corporate consumption feed on
their living systems. Germany is very tight with their forests always have been, try cutting one there.
You have dehumanized yourself in aligning yourself among
the weasels of greed.
Corporate-republican-fasicm
It’s all about stealing
the labor
the resources
the future from the people.
Lick my butt, if you don’t like what I have to
say about it.
Don’t Fuck with MY heritage.
adolescent pride in their stupidity
[And of course I’m]
childish
infantlike
immature
narrowminded
shallow
foolish
incompetent
simple-minded
weak-minded
deficient
[ and have a ]
a need to feel superior when all other have lost interest
[plus an] inferiority complex
and you’ve ONLY scratched the surface. Your barber shop
diagnosis has, of course, hurt me deeply. I’m so ashamed.
Particularly since these are my good points! And so true.
Europe takes care of their forests in the countries that
have learned about centuries of living there. Only countries in dire economic trouble waste their treasures on quick term profit. The people are cheated.
Only the buzzards of corporate consumption feed on
their living systems. Germany is very tight with their forests always have been, try cutting one there.
You have dehumanized yourself in aligning yourself among
the weasels of greed.
Corporate-republican-fasicm
It’s all about stealing
the labor
the resources
the future from the people.
Lick my butt, if you don’t like what I have to
say about it.
Don’t Fuck with MY heritage.
I've lived in Berlin and Stuttgart and
hiked in the swartzvalt near Switzerland.
Yes of course they cut trees. You can't
because of your methods.
hiked in the swartzvalt near Switzerland.
Yes of course they cut trees. You can't
because of your methods.
MAI gets rammed through. Then you could sue them for not allowing you to clear cut. But they ARE Germans.
Remember how single minded they are.
Remember how single minded they are.
I’ve got spme salt...
Forestry in Germany
-different to Canada in Germany clear cutting is strictly forbidden. We apply selective
cutting. Cutting areas are usually less than 5 hectares (12 acres) with removals of
maximally 50cbm – 80 cbm/ha (150 cubic feet to 250 cubic feet). Consequently there is no need to measure the cutting areas because they are so small and covered by the canopy of the remaining stands.-
http://www.forst.tu-muenchen.de/EXT/PUBL/quednau/Hamb98.write.html
Forestry in Germany
-different to Canada in Germany clear cutting is strictly forbidden. We apply selective
cutting. Cutting areas are usually less than 5 hectares (12 acres) with removals of
maximally 50cbm – 80 cbm/ha (150 cubic feet to 250 cubic feet). Consequently there is no need to measure the cutting areas because they are so small and covered by the canopy of the remaining stands.-
http://www.forst.tu-muenchen.de/EXT/PUBL/quednau/Hamb98.write.html
Sheepdog,
You comments are tiresome in their ignorance and short sightedness. The momments spent thinking about and responding to your ideas are wasted. The true level of being enlightened is to understand the human condition and that all people are in the same situation. There is no good side or bad side. There are only people trying to get by. If you ever attain the level of clarity to understand that, your previous statements will embarrass you. Until that point, may you live surrounded in the negative energy you have created. You world lacks both beauty and love, thus your mindset is your prison.
Happy Sentence.
Meow
You comments are tiresome in their ignorance and short sightedness. The momments spent thinking about and responding to your ideas are wasted. The true level of being enlightened is to understand the human condition and that all people are in the same situation. There is no good side or bad side. There are only people trying to get by. If you ever attain the level of clarity to understand that, your previous statements will embarrass you. Until that point, may you live surrounded in the negative energy you have created. You world lacks both beauty and love, thus your mindset is your prison.
Happy Sentence.
Meow
..mean raping our forests. Good, Bad, my ass.
I'm happy that I'm annoying you; you
are just another corporate mouth. I fucking
don't care how you feel about it because your
employers don't care how I feel about it.
Like I said, lick my butt.
I'm happy that I'm annoying you; you
are just another corporate mouth. I fucking
don't care how you feel about it because your
employers don't care how I feel about it.
Like I said, lick my butt.
Well now little weasel, don't let me
bother you. Just you keep huffing on your
bosses shlong and giving me yet another
witless moronic self-serving corporate
smoke dance. Stop your greedy illegal clear cuts
and I'll stop requiring you to respond in order
to please your owners, and handle the damage
control of your PR operation.
That's why YOU are on the keyboard.
bother you. Just you keep huffing on your
bosses shlong and giving me yet another
witless moronic self-serving corporate
smoke dance. Stop your greedy illegal clear cuts
and I'll stop requiring you to respond in order
to please your owners, and handle the damage
control of your PR operation.
That's why YOU are on the keyboard.
Entity also refered to as X, greetings...
Please try not to spread the page out
it makes it hard to read the mostly
robotic responce posted above when they
don't use the return key to allow their
inferior wraptext to transfer to this
board.
Otherwise I hope XXXXXXX... is aproval to me
if notXXXXXXX to you too
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!
Please try not to spread the page out
it makes it hard to read the mostly
robotic responce posted above when they
don't use the return key to allow their
inferior wraptext to transfer to this
board.
Otherwise I hope XXXXXXX... is aproval to me
if notXXXXXXX to you too
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!
ralph,
do you have a point at all in this discussion or are you just here because you don't like Sheepdog? He's fairly easy to avoid, as with all of the discussion on these forums by merely not coming here. IMC is actually avoidable, you know, and it never ceases to amaze me how some people who claim to be so offended by it cannot manage to avoid it. I think they are attracted to it and the ideas here, yet you just can't bring yourself to admit it.
do you have a point at all in this discussion or are you just here because you don't like Sheepdog? He's fairly easy to avoid, as with all of the discussion on these forums by merely not coming here. IMC is actually avoidable, you know, and it never ceases to amaze me how some people who claim to be so offended by it cannot manage to avoid it. I think they are attracted to it and the ideas here, yet you just can't bring yourself to admit it.
Sheepdog says...
The clear cutting is
illegal
immoral
short sighed
destructive
and greedy to the point of shame. What’s YOUR great insights,and motivation for sucking up to dispute this; a bonus?
You’re the one who seems to be lapping up my drivel. sucks, doesn’t it?
Enjoy. Just keep posting this to the top of the thread.
Advertising is good business.
More links about MAXXAM and their ILLEGAL CLEAR CUTTING.
http://www.powerlink.net/fen/TMW_LateWinter2001/maxxam_out_of_mattole.html
http://www.uswa329.org/1999/june99/june28a.htm
http://forests.org/archive/america/sueemaxx.htm
http://www.treesfoundation.org/html/publications_article_37.html
I'm here because I've seen what's been done to my
world and feel cheated. Because of insane greed.
..me and my shadow...
your turn.
The clear cutting is
illegal
immoral
short sighed
destructive
and greedy to the point of shame. What’s YOUR great insights,and motivation for sucking up to dispute this; a bonus?
You’re the one who seems to be lapping up my drivel. sucks, doesn’t it?
Enjoy. Just keep posting this to the top of the thread.
Advertising is good business.
More links about MAXXAM and their ILLEGAL CLEAR CUTTING.
http://www.powerlink.net/fen/TMW_LateWinter2001/maxxam_out_of_mattole.html
http://www.uswa329.org/1999/june99/june28a.htm
http://forests.org/archive/america/sueemaxx.htm
http://www.treesfoundation.org/html/publications_article_37.html
I'm here because I've seen what's been done to my
world and feel cheated. Because of insane greed.
..me and my shadow...
your turn.
...think (s)he doesn't LIKE me?
Please don't ever say that.
(s)he nearly asking me to go steady!
Maybe (s)he's shy.
Please don't ever say that.
(s)he nearly asking me to go steady!
Maybe (s)he's shy.
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