New Jersey Poet Lauriate, Amiri Baraka's Poem: Somebody Blew-Up America

What a shame. Baraka wrote a brilliant, epic poem, then just about at the end had to ruin it with these 2 lines:
"Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin Towers
To stay home that day"
(Israeli=Jewish in that line)
This is absolutely not true. Jews died in the WTC in the same proportion in relation to their total numbers in the towers as any other group. Look at the names of the dead. Further spreading this nasty rumor unfortunately perpetuates some Jewish conspiracy mindset, a la Protocols of the Elders of Zion. And Baraka had done a bang up job until then NOT getting tripped up with ethnic scapegoat foolishness, inc. treating Jewish people with sympathy in that poem up till that point. What possessed him?

that you heard total strangers argue in public about a poem?

Quote:
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"Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin Towers
To stay home that day"
(Israeli=Jewish in that line)
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Israeli=Jewish? What does that mean? Does that mean Jewish=Israeli, too?

- investagation! Everyone is suspect with somthing
to gain!

Did you know New Jersey has a poet laureate? Hell, I didn't know New Jersey had a POET, unless the overrated Bruce Springsteen counts. But indeed, the Garden State has a statute establishing the position, to which a group of arts bureaucrats are supposed to appoint "a distinguished poet from New Jersey." The current poet laureate is one Amiri Baraka, and here's a sample of his work:

Who do Tom Ass Clarence Work for
Who doo doo come out the Colon's mouth
Who know what kind of Skeeza is a Condoleeza
Who pay Connelly to be a wooden negro
Who give Genius Awards to Homo Locus
Subsidere

This "poem," titled "Somebody Blew Up America," carries a 2001 copyright and was obviously written in the aftermath of Sept. 11. It's a puerile, racist, semiliterate rant, but it does have a New Jersey angle: It mentions Bret Schundler, last year's unsuccessful Republican nominee for governor, including him in a list with Trent Lott, Jesse Helms, Rudy Giuliani--and David Duke. This is derivative of the work of Tyrone Green, the satirical jailhouse poet played by Eddie Murphy on "Saturday Night Live" two decades ago, who once said: "I hate white people because they W-I-T-E."

The Newark Star-Ledger reports that Gov. Jim McGreevey is asking Baraka to resign, notwithstanding the boisterous bard's denunciation of the governor's erstwhile opponent. McGreevey objects to a passage that repeats an anti-Semitic lie:

Who knew the World Trade Center was gonna get bombed
Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin Towers
To stay home that day
Why did Sharon stay away?

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-4/103320442455040.xml

Baraka refuses to quit, and it appears neither McGreevey nor the panel of arts bureaucrats who selected him a month ago has the power to fire him. His term lasts for two years, during which time the law stipulates that he is to "promote and encourage poetry within the State and shall give no fewer than two public readings within the State each year." What a huge embarrassment to poor New Jersey, a state that has enough trouble getting any respect as it is. What to do?

I never thought I'd say this--about anything--but the Saudi model is instructive. After Ghazi Algosaibi, Riyadh's ambassador to London, disgraced his country by publishing a poem glorifying suicide terrorists, Crown Prince Abdullah recalled him from the embassy and put him in charge of Saudi sewers. McGreevey should find a similar position in Trenton for Baraka, so that he can put his expertise in "doo doo" to work for the BENEFIT of New Jerseyites.

Earthling=Human


Thus, a whale is human.

And, any whale born at the Korad Mars colony Sea World, who is a Diasporia descendant of Shamu the XII, is an Earthling, with right of return to the Seven Seas.

Ffutal,

Great observation. This guy IS a direct rip off of Tyrone Green!

"I never thought I'd say this--about anything--but the "Saudi model is instructive. After Ghazi Algosaibi, Riyadh's ambassador to London, disgraced his country by publishing a poem glorifying suicide terrorists, Crown Prince Abdullah recalled him from the embassy and put him in charge of Saudi sewers. McGreevey should find a similar position in Trenton for Baraka, so that he can put his expertise in "doo doo" to work for the BENEFIT of New Jerseyites. "

that would be a great punishment. it would help teach that that those who DARE speak against the grain with regard to september 11th -- or america's moral rule over lesser nations -- WILL BE PUNISHED!!!!

god bless america!!!! god bless america!!!! (sob!)

"I never thought I'd say this--about anything--but the "Saudi model is instructive. After Ghazi Algosaibi, Riyadh's ambassador to London, disgraced his country by publishing a poem glorifying suicide terrorists, Crown Prince Abdullah recalled him from the embassy and put him in charge of Saudi sewers. McGreevey should find a similar position in Trenton for Baraka, so that he can put his expertise in "doo doo" to work for the BENEFIT of New Jerseyites. "

that would be a great punishment. it would help teach that that those who DARE speak against the grain with regard to september 11th -- or america's moral rule over lesser nations -- WILL BE PUNISHED!!!!

god bless america!!!! god bless america!!!! (sob!)

"I never thought I'd say this--about anything--but the "Saudi model is instructive. After Ghazi Algosaibi, Riyadh's ambassador to London, disgraced his country by publishing a poem glorifying suicide terrorists, Crown Prince Abdullah recalled him from the embassy and put him in charge of Saudi sewers. McGreevey should find a similar position in Trenton for Baraka, so that he can put his expertise in "doo doo" to work for the BENEFIT of New Jerseyites. "

that would be a great punishment. it would help teach that that those who DARE speak against the grain with regard to september 11th -- or america's moral rule over lesser nations -- WILL BE PUNISHED!!!!

god bless america!!!! god bless america!!!! (sob!)

you need to disappear.

Who? And why?
Please explain. What do you mean
Disappear? Who are you and where are
your links?

<that would be a great punishment. it would help teach that that those who DARE speak against the grain with regard to september 11th -- or america's moral rule over lesser nations -- WILL BE PUNISHED!!!!>

Sarcasm I see.

Since this was a comparison between someone who wrote verse glorifying suicide terrorists and someone who wrote verse that was a puerile, racist, semiliterate rant, then in matthew's world these are just dandy things to do and should be rewarded.

It disturbs me that there is an increasing intolerance of heterodox opinion in the US. I do not believe that any awards and recognition should be allowed to compromise the First amendment regarding artistic expression in the United States. I feel that once a prize is awarded it cannot be withdrawn unless there is this tacit agreement of the recipient to modify his subsequent artistic expression to reflect only the approved values of the panel that awarded him the prize. If that convention were in fact to occur the last legitimacy of our arts might be forever withdrawn and the entire culture of our nation could become subordinated to the highest bidder. As a nation we could then become culturally bankrupt.

Great Idea! Freedom of Speech. Freedom to Crticize! Freedom. . . Why the mainstream society is still so intolerant of free expressions. Why they show a different attitude toward KKK?

This is the best poem and review I have ever read. This poet deserves the prize more than I expected.

Defend freedom! Honor this man.

who say this is poetry?
Elsworth Toohey?
who cannot distinguish literature from crap is condemned to eat it
Bon Apetite!

There is a small owl just to the left of the "1" which appears on the upper right hand corner of the Dollar Bill.

I loved the poem. I think it was so true and real. I've never seen so many facts put together so well, I think it was beautiful and honest.

I loved the poem. I think it was so true and real. I've never seen so many facts put together so well, I think it was beautiful and honest.

I loved the poem. I think it was so true and real. I've never seen so many facts put together so well, I think it was beautiful and honest.

"Hell, I didn't know New Jersey had a POET, unless the overrated Bruce Springsteen counts."

William Carlos Williams was one of the greatest poets of the 20th Century. His poetics were very innovative and had profound effect stylistically at least on almost any American poet who came after him. And guess where he was from? Patterson, NJ. Ffutal you should have a look at his masterpiece, an epic poem so aptly named Patterson.

who smoke crack and write terrible poetry?
Lies in "poetry"

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who smoke crack and write terrible poetry?
Lies in "poetry"

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YOU

who smoke crack and write terrible poetry?
Lies in "poetry"

Who
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who smoke crack and write terrible poetry?
Lies in "poetry"

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Mr. Baraka seems to be question the use of power and in whose hands this power resides in. I find it contains no anti-Semitism and yes, I am Jewish.

Mr. Baraka appears to be questioning the use of power, whose hands wields said power, who is affected by the use of this power/control, historical facts and historical misconceptions. He accomplishes what many writers/poets intend; to provoke thought. To label him an anti-Semite is ridiculous. And yes, I am Jewish.

the anglo saxon protestant culture!!!!
Mr Baraka is very right. the WASPs have been oppressing the entire world since the industrial revolution. israel is their only "friend" not because of the terrible holocaust, but because of the money they have got. as soon as the jews run out of money, then they will be just one of the other useless/premitive people.
ps. thank you for mentioning the Armenian genocide in your amazing poem.

Who gonna be surprised when it all fall down?

Who gonna be surprised when it all fall down?

Who gonna be surprised when it all fall down?
Who need to take grammar lessons?
Who need to get another 'major' ?
Who need to get a life?
who,who,who???
Who hate in 'disguise' ?
Who am a hypocrite?
Who call a man'poet'?
Who,Who,WHO??
WHO GONNA BE LEF BAHIND
When it all fall down?
WHO WHO...YOU??????

Who gonna be surprised when it all fall down?
Who need to take grammar lessons?
Who need to get another 'major' ?
Who need to get a life?
who,who,who???
Who hate in 'disguise' ?
Who am a hypocrite?
Who call a man'poet'?
Who,Who,WHO??
WHO GONNA BE LEF BAHIND
When it all fall down?
WHO WHO...YOU??????

Who gonna be surprised when it all fall down?
Who need to take grammar lessons?
Who need to get another 'major' ?
Who need to get a life?
who,who,who???
Who hate in 'disguise' ?
Who am a hypocrite?
Who call a man'poet'?
Who,Who,WHO??
WHO GONNA BE LEF BAHIND
When it all fall down?
WHO WHO...YOU??????

Who gonna be surprised when it all fall down?
Who need to take grammar lessons?
Who need to get another 'major' ?
Who need to get a life?
who,who,who???
Who hate in 'disguise' ?
Who am a hypocrite?
Who call a man'poet'?
Who,Who,WHO??
WHO GONNA BE LEF BAHIND
When it all fall down?
WHO WHO...YOU??????

Who gonna be surprised when it all fall down? Who need to take grammar lessons? Who need to get another 'major' ? Who need to get a life? who,who,who??? Who hate in 'disguise' ? Who am a hypocrite? Who call a man'poet'? Who,Who,WHO?? WHO GONNA BE LEF BAHIND When it all fall down? WHO WHO...YOU??????

Who gonna be surprised when it all fall down?
Who need to take grammar lessons?
Who need to get another 'major' ?
Who need to get a life?
who,who,who???
Who hate in 'disguise' ?
Who am a hypocrite?
Who call a man'poet'?
Who,Who,WHO??
WHO GONNA BE LEF BAHIND
When it all fall down?
WHO WHO...YOU??????

Who gonna be surprised when it all fall down? Who need to take grammar lessons? Who need to get another 'major' ? Who need to get a life? who,who,who??? Who hate in 'disguise' ? Who am a hypocrite? Who call a man'poet'? Who,Who,WHO?? WHO GONNA BE LEF BAHIND When it all fall down? WHO WHO...YOU??????

Who gonna be surprised when it all fall down? Who need to take grammar lessons? Who need to get another 'major' ? Who need to get a life? who,who,who??? Who hate in 'disguise' ? Who am a hypocrite? Who call a man 'poet'? Who,Who,WHO?? WHO GONNA BE LEF BAHIND When it all fall down? WHO WHO...YOU??????

Who gonna be surprised when it all fall down? Who need to take grammar lessons? Who need to get another 'major' ? Who need to get a life? who,who,who??? Who hate in 'disguise' ? Who am a hypocrite? Who call a man 'poet'? Who,Who,WHO?? WHO GONNA BE LEF BAHIND When it all fall down? WHO WHO...YOU??????

BLAH,BLAH,BLAH !!! WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO IMPRESS ? YOU SAID NOTHING..BUT YOU SAID EVERYTHING !! THIS 'BARAKA' TRASH IS NEITHER 'ART' NOR POETRY ! IT IS NO MORE 'ART' THAN PLAYBOY MAGAZINE !! IT IS AS MUCH 'FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION' AS A DOG RELIEVING HIMSELF ON THE STREET CORNER !! America is full of this kind of foolish and air head 'walking dead' who call everything 'NAKED' so-called 'art'..and everything that 'babbles' a 'poet' PULEEEEZE !!!! tHE MAN(Baraka) is a hate monger who has stated he is a COMMUNIST, A MUSLIM, AND A 'BLACK NATIONALIST' WHATEVER THAT IS! AND HE HAS A VERY SHADY AND VIOLENT PAST !!! He is, my dear one, NO POET. He is, however, a GREAT 'CON'-ARTIST !!!!!!

Since you've filled this thread pretty much
up with your unabashed opinion, maybe we should call
this the Brenda Joyce thread.

Are you trying to imply that you don't LIKE the
poem?
I'm not much impressed by the obsessed.

I feel that Dr. Baraka's Poem was Historically and Factually correct. I admire him because he had the courage to say what a lot of Educated people feel. I got to see and hear 1st hand, him recite his poem in an interview. I overstand where he is coming from. His passion was remarkable. So I had to find it and read it for myself. Once again it blew me away. Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth. Other times they don't have the knowledge or awarness to fathom it. I feel Dr. Baraka is not anti-Semitic and is just Questioning a view of Power in the world. Who has it and who's kept it and at what cost. Lastly and most importantly, I feel that he is questioning who records "History" because it's mostly has always been and account of "HIS-STORY"!!!!

I feel that Dr. Baraka's Poem was Historically and Factually correct. I admire him because he had the courage to say what a lot of Educated people feel. I got to see and hear 1st hand, him recite his poem in an interview. I overstand where he is coming from. His passion was remarkable. So I had to find it and read it for myself. Once again it blew me away. Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth. Other times they don't have the knowledge or awarness to fathom it. I feel Dr. Baraka is not anti-Semitic and is just Questioning a view of Power in the world. Who has it and who's kept it and at what cost. Lastly and most importantly, I feel that he is questioning who records "History" because it's mostly has always been and account of "HIS-STORY"!!!!

I can't believe that those two lines are the ones that's causing all the calls for resignation ! I didn't how long Mr.Baraka's poem was;of course the media only talked about "The Two Lines" and mentioned the "Who said America first". "Who" is right! Who decided that those two lines were reason enough to demand that Mr.Baraka step down,after all the other things that were in the poem ? By the way,a newspaper columnist (in Phila.)made (to me) an important clarification: in the poem,and the rumor,says that Israelis were told to stay home/away from the WTC on 9/11. The columnist said that only 7 ISRAELIS died in the collapse,and "countless AMERICAN JEWS" died.She indicated that Israelis and American Jewish people are seperate.In that case,7 Israelis out of the almost 3,000 dead isn't very proportional,is it? Also,if "they" raise such a stink over The Two Lines,saying that they're untrue,then to me that says everything else Mr.Baraka wrote in the poem IS true !

Maybe the official website of the 911 victims, will put the number of israeli casualties to rest.

WHO???? is the optimal question. Who is responsible for all of the issuses Baraka speaks of? These questions need to be answered and brought to the table for discussion. Whether or not you agree with Mr. Baraka, I hope that this poem will initiate a surge of research to answer the many unanswered questions. So again, WHO, WHO, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE!
With regard to Jews knowing about 9/11. AmDocs is a Jewish (CIA) intelligence organization that operates within the USA to spy on us and Arabs in the USA. Our news media reported on TV (sorry I do not remember the which cable network) that this orginization KNEW! Now, either they KNEW and didn't tell us, which would make them guilty as conspiritors, or they KNEW and told us and we did nothing! The research has already begun and the truth will come to light! Thank you for your ear!

WHO???? is the optimal question. Who is responsible for all of the issuses Baraka speaks of? These questions need to be answered and brought to the table for discussion. Whether or not you agree with Mr. Baraka, I hope that this poem will initiate a surge of research to answer the many unanswered questions. So again, WHO, WHO, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE!
With regard to Jews knowing about 9/11. AmDocs is a Jewish (CIA) intelligence organization that operates within the USA to spy on us and Arabs in the USA. Our news media reported on TV (sorry I do not remember the which cable network) that this orginization KNEW! Now, either they KNEW and didn't tell us, which would make them guilty as conspiritors, or they KNEW and told us and we did nothing! The research has already begun and the truth will come to light! Thank you for your ear!

"Lastly and most importantly, I feel that he is questioning who records "History" because it's mostly has always been and account of "HIS-STORY"!!!!"

To delve into the etymology of this word so often so abused, I would venture to say it comes from the French, the word for story, that is "histoire," which is feminine I believe as in une histoire.

Second, about the Israeli casualties, this is ridiculous. To say that Sharon and Bush knew is one thing, difficult to say with confidence even more difficult to prove. It is a whole other story to say that four thousand or so potential vicitims also knew is quite absurd. This would imply that there is some giangantic underground intelligence network that would inform Israeli citizens of potential harm WHILE keeping it secret from just about any credible newsource in the world. Yes, this is awfully reminiscent of anti-semetic babblings of people like Henry Ford and Ezra Pound and certain person we all know: Adolf Hitler.

Can't we all get alone? :-)

This is easy to verify.
How many Israelis were supposed to be there that day...

According to Israeli reps, 4000 Israelis were missing immediately after the strikes.

But checking the casualties by nation http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm one is immediately struck by the low number of israeli caualties on september eleventh.

I am of the opinion that it is antisemitic to say that Jews knew...but zim employess must have known in advance as they moved their facilities from the building a mere couple of days prior to the attack.

I agree Brenda, this poem is complete trash. It's nothing but a diatribe against anything and everything white. But at the same time, the poet has a right to be published, free speech and all. I don't think he deserves the recognition he received, but then again that just goes to show what kind of filth gets the attention in America these days. Someone asked earlier that if they criticized the poet, would they be called a racist? Well, yes, you would. Someone did criticize the writer, and was replied with "you racist pig". How nice.

In a Boston Globe op-ed, Charles Jacobs, who heads a group that fights slavery in Sudan, addresses the question of why "human rights" activists passionately attack Israel for purported abuses while ignoring far more brutal regimes in Sudan and elsewhere. The answer, he says, "is not mainly anti-Semitism":

What is this silence about? Surely it is not because we don't care about blacks. Progressives champion oppressed black peoples daily. My hypothesis is this: to predict what the human rights community (and the media) focus on, look not at the oppressed; look instead at the party seen as the oppressor. Imagine the media coverage and the rights groups' reaction if it were "whites" enslaving blacks in Sudan. Having the "right" oppressor would change everything.

Alternatively, imagine the "wrong" oppressor: Suppose that Arabs, not Jews, shot Palestinians in revolt. In 1970 ("Black September"), Jordan murdered tens of thousands of Palestinians in two days, yet we saw no divestment campaigns, and we wouldn't today. This selectivity, at least in the United States, does not come from the hatred of Jews. . . . The human rights community, composed mostly of compassionate white people, feels a special duty to protest evil done by those who are like "us."

"Not in my name" is the worthy response of moral people. . . . But when we see evil done by "others," we tend to shy away. . . . The biggest victims . . . are not the Jews who are obsessively criticized but the victims of genocide, enslavement, religious persecution, and ethnic cleansing who are murderously ignored: the Christian slaves of Sudan, the Muslim slaves of Mauritania, the Tibetans, the Kurds, the Christians in Pakistan, Indonesia, Egypt.

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/278/oped/Why_Israel_and_not_Sudan_is_singled_out+.shtml

Jacobs's analysis is persuasive, though incomplete (it doesn't explain, for example, why this crowd regards Augusto Pinochet as an ogre and Fidel Castro as a hero). But his moral judgment is far too gentle. What he describes is actually a form of white supremacy, what President Bush describes as "the soft bigotry of low expectations" writ large. It treats non-"whites" (non-Westerners would be a more accurate term, since America, Israel and most European countries are actually multiethnic nations) as the equivalent of animals.

This is no overstatement. Some people think animals have rights, and almost everyone would agree that it's wrong to inflict suffering on them gratuitously. But in our concern for animal welfare, we judge only HUMAN conduct. The ASPCA won't arrest your cat if it catches and tortures a mouse, and even PETA doesn't try to persuade lions and wolves to take up a vegetarian diet.

Animals, of course, are amoral because they lack the capacity for thought. But the view that it is acceptable for the law of the jungle to prevail AMONG PEOPLE, so long as a country is ruled by Arabs, Asians or Africans, is not "the worthy response of moral people." It is a monstrously immoral double standard.

read & weep.

read & weep.

read & weep.

So you are then confronted with two possibilities. First, you have a proposed theory that 4 thousand people knew about the Word Trade Center blowing up. And of that four thousand, not one of them gave a damn that up to one hundred thousand people were going to die in the worst case scenario, and not one person cared? Let's say you could believe that, then you would have to believe that all of these thousands of people could keep their mouths shut, and every person that any of them had told also kept their mouths shut, and on and on ad infinitum.

Or, you could say circumstances external to Sept. 11th caused them to leave, and all was a coincedence.

Apply the law of parsimony otherwise known as Ockham's razor. now tell me what do you think?

The figure of four thousand was an estimate made by an Israeli spokesperson when the attack took place.
They may have come up with that figure out of thin air the same way they came up with the 6 million figure, who knows...
What we can verify is that there was only 1 casualty on that awful day http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm
It is also true that an Israeli shipping company named "Zim" had moved its headquarter offices from the WTC some few days before the attack.
We do not connect the dots, we just furnish you with the facts.

"In a Boston Globe op-ed, Charles Jacobs, who heads a group that fights slavery in Sudan, addresses the question of why "human rights" activists passionately attack Israel for purported abuses while ignoring far more brutal regimes in Sudan and elsewhere."

the main reason being is that we FUND Israeli aggression, our government supports it politically, economically and militarily. IT is our duty as citizens to pay attention to whom our government is supporting. This is called common sense. This is called democracy. Why that has been so difficult for certain people to understand baffles me. The point is we do not give the Sudan billions of our own money each year to practice slavery, but we do buy Israeli bullets to kill palestinian children and that good ol' missile that was dropped into a crowd of people this morning.

Secondly, you have facts. Ok. You had a total of 4 Israeli citezins die on Sept 11th, and you had a total of 2700 people die altogether something like 2500 were Americans. A total of 100, 000 people worked in that building each day. This would mean a mere 2.7 percent died. So then you have 4000 Israelis and 4 dead. The numbers, or the facts then are not really too supportive at all. It is more like delusionary speculation, which I find to be strangely reminiscent of Anti-Semitic chants of Pound, Ford, Adolf, Goebles, Goering, Himler, who else should be on that list?

1 dead.from the building collapse http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm

--why "human rights" activists passionately attack Israel for purported abuses while ignoring far more brutal regimes in Sudan and elsewhere.

--the main reason being is that we FUND Israeli aggression, our government supports it politically, economically and militarily.

Ffutal's point was not made regarding just "human rights" activists in the US. He/She did not limit himself/herself to activitists in a particular country.

You completely missed the point.

It's not just "human rights" activists in the USA that attack Israel and ignore places like Sudan. It's activitists in other countries too, activists from countries who don't send a dime to Israel.

Why that is so difficult for certain people to understand baffles me

WERE PEOPLE ANTI-GERMAN FOR SPEAKING UP AGAINST THE 3RD REICH AND NOT AGAINST OTHER OPPRESSIVE REGIMES?

All in all Mr. Bakara poem is fantastic.All in all Mr. Bakara poem is fantastic.

The evidence is overwhelming that Israel knew in advance of the attack.

Zionists tell us not to connect the dots and witness the whole picture.
Yet, they urge us to blame Arabs without as much as a proof.

They would like us to believe that the fact that there was only 1 Israeli casualty in the WTC attacks
http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm
and that "ZIM" Israeli company had moved its headquarters from the buildings a week prior to the attack, was a mere coincidence.

Yet Israelis have a history of attacking us.
Once in the Lavon affair and again in 1967 when they attacked the USS Liberty.

Zionist,you must stop leaving footprints if you no longer want to be blamed.

If one reads the poem, you understand that he was not attempting to accuse anyone of anything - it was just part of the inital wave of frenzy running through all communities. While many Americans were quick to label all Muslims as terrorists, many Muslims could not believe that their brethren could committ a horrendous crime of this nature in their names. To them, they asked the question - who benefited from 9/11? - Israel seems to be the only group who actually benefited. In one day, the 9/11 terrorists did more harm to Muslims then the Israeli government could have ever dreamed of doing.

If one reads the poem, you understand that he was not attempting to accuse anyone of anything - it was just part of the inital wave of frenzy running through all communities. While many Americans were quick to label all Muslims as terrorists, many Muslims could not believe that their brethren could committ a horrendous crime of this nature in their names. To them, they asked the question - who benefited from 9/11? - Israel seems to be the only group who actually benefited. In one day, the 9/11 terrorists did more harm to Muslims then the Israeli government could have ever dreamed of doing.

If one reads the poem, you understand that he was not attempting to accuse anyone of anything - it was just part of the inital wave of frenzy running through all communities. While many Americans were quick to label all Muslims as terrorists, many Muslims could not believe that their brethren could committ a horrendous crime of this nature in their names. To them, they asked the question - who benefited from 9/11? - Israel seems to be the only group who actually benefited. In one day, the 9/11 terrorists did more harm to Muslims then the Israeli government could have ever dreamed of doing.

If one reads the poem, you understand that he was not attempting to accuse anyone of anything - it was just part of the inital wave of frenzy running through all communities. While many Americans were quick to label all Muslims as terrorists, many Muslims could not believe that their brethren could committ a horrendous crime of this nature in their names. To them, they asked the question - who benefited from 9/11? - Israel seems to be the only group who actually benefited. In one day, the 9/11 terrorists did more harm to Muslims then the Israeli government could have ever dreamed of doing.

If one reads the poem, you understand that he was not attempting to accuse anyone of anything - it was just part of the inital wave of frenzy running through all communities. While many Americans were quick to label all Muslims as terrorists, many Muslims could not believe that their brethren could committ a horrendous crime of this nature in their names. To them, they asked the question - who benefited from 9/11? - Israel seems to be the only group who actually benefited. In one day, the 9/11 terrorists did more harm to Muslims then the Israeli government could have ever dreamed of doing.

If one reads the poem, you understand that he was not attempting to accuse anyone of anything - it was just part of the inital wave of frenzy running through all communities. While many Americans were quick to label all Muslims as terrorists, many Muslims could not believe that their brethren could committ a horrendous crime of this nature in their names. To them, they asked the question - who benefited from 9/11? - Israel seems to be the only group who actually benefited. In one day, the 9/11 terrorists did more harm to Muslims then the Israeli government could have ever dreamed of doing.

We want to thank the previous six posting to the reincarnated embodiment of Dr. Josef Mengele. Thank you, Dr.

"It's not just "human rights" activists in the USA that attack Israel and ignore places like Sudan. It's activitists in other countries too, activists from countries who don't send a dime to Israel."

Yes, this is baffling certainly baffling. The way I see it, is that well you admit that there are human rights activists all over the world who see something wrong with Israel and your dismissal to their claims is that other people do worse. Ok. First and foremost Ffutal and t.e. that by no accord excuses them. Second, I don't know but most educated people find countries that claim themselves to be 'democracies' to be a bit more--how should I say more accountable for their human rights injustices than let's say dictatorships. What the hell is the Sudanese government anyway? It hardly even exists in order for someone to criticize it, last I checked they were still going through a civil war of sorts, the government is not even stable enough to be criticized for anything since we hardly even know who to criticize. This of course would be what most Europeans would say about why Israel deserves to be criticized more than the Sudan. But yes, all of them have groups within their countries who lobby for Israel as well, which also will provoke a response. Will you people please just open your eyes. When the PM of a given country, whom is elected is known to commit heinous war crimes generally most people with a head on their shoulders are going to see problems with that.

Second, for the good Dr., let's not get ridiculous here, I do not find a tolerance, or even an attempt to understand other people's points of view in any of Baraka's poems. The man is a fanatic, his poem is fanatical, and fantastical not, not assurdly fantastic. He has his view, and he refuses to see the views of others, that is who is, who he has been, and who he always will be. And I will once again add that the vernacular is sorry, the poem is a product of hasty and thrifty aesthetics.

Third, once again to those who still think there may be a shred of credibility in this Zim conspiracy thing, I will point out that you have two conflicting possiblities, one is simple parsimonious, the other is fantastical. Genrally speaking the intelligent know to stay away from ideas so fantastical as 4 thousand people knew the WTC was going to blow and not a goddamned one of them had the decency to say anything about it, and that not a goddamned person they told did either. Gimme a break. Think people. Think.

T aint noting but a racist ayran.

Who the worst poet mankind ever saw? I think we all know the answer. This is the most cynical, anti-universe, utterly false piece of nonsense I ever saw!

Who gonna stop this guy? Who? Who? Who?

Who the worst poet mankind ever saw? I think we all know the answer. This is the most cynical, anti-universe, utterly false piece of nonsense I ever saw!

Who gonna stop this guy? Who? Who? Who?

Who the worst poet mankind ever saw? I think we all know the answer. This is the most cynical, anti-universe, utterly false piece of nonsense I ever saw!

Who gonna stop this guy? Who? Who? Who?

>>><<<
No longer content with streotyping men of antisemitism now the Jews have elevated their accusations to "anti-universe".

"T aint noting but a racist ayran"

Where the Hell did that one come from?

You are a racist and an anti -universe ayran.

notice I only said anti univers,,, that is since i save "antisemite" for the worst of you klan...

That's their answer for everything when they don't have a legitimate or intelligent rebuttal. When they are too stupid to debate intelligently, they start spewing forth comments like "you facist, racist, aryan pig." Or other colorful remarks such as "zionnazi fanatics.." I guess it's not enough to be claiming that a "vast right-wing conspiracy" is trying to take over the world, which has got to be the most ignorant thing I've heard of in quite a while. Now they are going to claim that the Israelis knew of the WTC attacks before they happened and did nothing. This is ludicrous. I've never seen such unsubstantiated conjecture in all my life.

That's their answer for everything when they don't have a legitimate or intelligent rebuttal. When they are too stupid to debate intelligently, they start spewing forth comments like "you facist, racist, aryan pig." Or other colorful remarks such as "zionnazi fanatics.." I guess it's not enough to be claiming that a "vast right-wing conspiracy" is trying to take over the world, which has got to be the most ignorant thing I've heard of in quite a while. Now they are going to claim that the Israelis knew of the WTC attacks before they happened and did nothing. This is ludicrous. I've never seen such unsubstantiated conjecture in all my life.

That's their answer for everything when they don't have a legitimate or intelligent rebuttal. When they are too stupid to debate intelligently, they start spewing forth comments like "you facist, racist, aryan pig." Or other colorful remarks such as "zionnazi fanatics.." I guess it's not enough to be claiming that a "vast right-wing conspiracy" is trying to take over the world, which has got to be the most ignorant thing I've heard of in quite a while. Now they are going to claim that the Israelis knew of the WTC attacks before they happened and did nothing. This is ludicrous. I've never seen such unsubstantiated conjecture in all my life.

the israelis were spared the wtc attacks. two israeli companies evacuated the vacinity.
one, a mere 2 hours before the attack.
The other, 1 week prior to the attack.
Draw your own conclusions...

You are a racist and should resign

Exactly, what Israeli companies are you reffering to..

one, a mere 2 hours before the attack.
As reported by the Washinton post a couple of weeks aftter september eleventh:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC_Odigo.html
The other had evacuated its offices 1 week prior to the attack.
Zim Saved By A Move To Virginia:
The Haifa-based Zim Israel Navigation Company’s North American branch was headquartered in one of the World Trade Center towers – until September 6th, when it relocated to Virginia.
As reported by the Jewish website:
http://www.bible-light.com/JPM/2001-10.htm

The poem seems to imply that we don't have the answers to "Who?" Well, if we really can't understand who is behind it all then we are just closing our eyes to the facts. No one could have imagined what was going to happen that morning. If God's providence saw fit that 4000 Jews should not have been in the Towers that morning, then who are we to argue.

If Baraka is just outlining the facts then it is up to us as to how to interpret them, but if there is an intent of jealousy against the providence of God within Baraka's words, then he has commited a more heinous crime than mere slander.

If you go to
http://yesvirginia.org/newsitem.asp?ID=31

You will find a Press Release dated April 2, 2001 from the Commonwealth of Virginia, Office of the Governer, and Virginia Economic Development Partnership stating that Virginia won the bid for the Zim relocation. Zim has used the Port of Virginia since 1985.

The Press Release says that Virginia competed with Texas for the relocation. So much for *that* notion that Zim up and skedaddled out of the WTC just days before Sept 11.

Also, the website, bible-light.com, that "draw u own conclusion" refers to as a "Jewish website", is, in fact, a Christian evangelical site.

The other site, fpp.co.uk, "draw u own conclusion" refers to as the Washington Post site. However, the WP site is located at washingtonpost.com.

The Google description of the "fpp" site is the "Web site of disgraced British Holocaust denier David Irving."

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Original post:
>israeli companies evacuated the vacinity:
>by draw u own conclusion. • Friday October 11, 2002 >at 01:28 PM

>one, a mere 2 hours before the attack.
>As reported by the Washinton post a couple of weeks >aftter september eleventh:
>http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC_Odigo.html
>The other had evacuated its offices 1 week prior to the >attack.
>Zim Saved By A Move To Virginia:
>The Haifa-based Zim Israel Navigation Company’s >North American branch was headquartered in one of >the World Trade Center towers – until September 6th, >when it relocated to Virginia.
>As reported by the Jewish website:
>http://www.bible-light.com/JPM/2001-10.htm

If you go to
http://yesvirginia.org/newsitem.asp?ID=31

You will find a Press Release dated April 2, 2001 from the Commonwealth of Virginia, Office of the Governer, and Virginia Economic Development Partnership stating that Virginia won the bid for the Zim relocation. Zim has used the Port of Virginia since 1985.

The Press Release says that Virginia competed with Texas for the relocation. So much for *that* notion that Zim up and skedaddled out of the WTC just days before Sept 11.

Also, the website, bible-light.com, that "draw u own conclusion" refers to as a "Jewish website", is, in fact, a Christian evangelical site.

The other site, fpp.co.uk, "draw u own conclusion" refers to as the Washington Post site. However, the WP site is located at washingtonpost.com.

The Google description of the "fpp" site is the "Web site of disgraced British Holocaust denier David Irving."

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Original post:
>israeli companies evacuated the vacinity:
>by draw u own conclusion. • Friday October 11, 2002 >at 01:28 PM

>one, a mere 2 hours before the attack.
>As reported by the Washinton post a couple of weeks >aftter september eleventh:
>http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC_Odigo.html
>The other had evacuated its offices 1 week prior to the >attack.
>Zim Saved By A Move To Virginia:
>The Haifa-based Zim Israel Navigation Company’s >North American branch was headquartered in one of >the World Trade Center towers – until September 6th, >when it relocated to Virginia.
>As reported by the Jewish website:
>http://www.bible-light.com/JPM/2001-10.htm

If you go to
http://yesvirginia.org/newsitem.asp?ID=31

You will find a Press Release dated April 2, 2001 from the Commonwealth of Virginia, Office of the Governer, and Virginia Economic Development Partnership stating that Virginia won the bid for the Zim relocation. Zim has used the Port of Virginia since 1985.

The Press Release says that Virginia competed with Texas for the relocation. So much for *that* notion that Zim up and skedaddled out of the WTC just days before Sept 11.

Also, the website, bible-light.com, that "draw u own conclusion" refers to as a "Jewish website", is, in fact, a Christian evangelical site.

The other site, fpp.co.uk, "draw u own conclusion" refers to as the Washington Post site. However, the WP site is located at washingtonpost.com.

The Google description of the "fpp" site is the "Web site of disgraced British Holocaust denier David Irving."

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Original post:
>israeli companies evacuated the vacinity:
>by draw u own conclusion. • Friday October 11, 2002 >at 01:28 PM

>one, a mere 2 hours before the attack.
>As reported by the Washinton post a couple of weeks >aftter september eleventh:
>http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC_Odigo.html
>The other had evacuated its offices 1 week prior to the >attack.
>Zim Saved By A Move To Virginia:
>The Haifa-based Zim Israel Navigation Company’s >North American branch was headquartered in one of >the World Trade Center towers – until September 6th, >when it relocated to Virginia.
>As reported by the Jewish website:
>http://www.bible-light.com/JPM/2001-10.htm

If you go to
http://yesvirginia.org/newsitem.asp?ID=31

You will find a Press Release dated April 2, 2001 from the Commonwealth of Virginia, Office of the Governer, and Virginia Economic Development Partnership stating that Virginia won the bid for the Zim relocation. Zim has used the Port of Virginia since 1985.

The Press Release says that Virginia competed with Texas for the relocation. So much for *that* notion that Zim up and skedaddled out of the WTC just days before Sept 11.

Also, the website, bible-light.com, that "draw u own conclusion" refers to as a "Jewish website", is, in fact, a Christian evangelical site.

The other site, fpp.co.uk, "draw u own conclusion" refers to as the Washington Post site. However, the WP site is located at washingtonpost.com.

The Google description of the "fpp" site is the "Web site of disgraced British Holocaust denier David Irving."

==--==--==--==
Original post:
>israeli companies evacuated the vacinity:
>by draw u own conclusion. • Friday October 11, 2002 >at 01:28 PM

>one, a mere 2 hours before the attack.
>As reported by the Washinton post a couple of weeks >aftter september eleventh:
>http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC_Odigo.html
>The other had evacuated its offices 1 week prior to the >attack.
>Zim Saved By A Move To Virginia:
>The Haifa-based Zim Israel Navigation Company’s >North American branch was headquartered in one of >the World Trade Center towers – until September 6th, >when it relocated to Virginia.
>As reported by the Jewish website:
>http://www.bible-light.com/JPM/2001-10.htm

If you go to
http://yesvirginia.org/newsitem.asp?ID=31

You will find a Press Release dated April 2, 2001 from the Commonwealth of Virginia, Office of the Governer, and Virginia Economic Development Partnership stating that Virginia won the bid for the Zim relocation. Zim has used the Port of Virginia since 1985.

The Press Release says that Virginia competed with Texas for the relocation. So much for *that* notion that Zim up and skedaddled out of the WTC just days before Sept 11.

Also, the website, bible-light.com, that "draw u own conclusion" refers to as a "Jewish website", is, in fact, a Christian evangelical site.

The other site, fpp.co.uk, "draw u own conclusion" refers to as the Washington Post site. However, the WP site is located at washingtonpost.com.

The Google description of the "fpp" site is the "Web site of disgraced British Holocaust denier David Irving."

==--==--==--==
Original post:
>israeli companies evacuated the vacinity:
>by draw u own conclusion. • Friday October 11, 2002 >at 01:28 PM

>one, a mere 2 hours before the attack.
>As reported by the Washinton post a couple of weeks >aftter september eleventh:
>http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC_Odigo.html
>The other had evacuated its offices 1 week prior to the >attack.
>Zim Saved By A Move To Virginia:
>The Haifa-based Zim Israel Navigation Company’s >North American branch was headquartered in one of >the World Trade Center towers – until September 6th, >when it relocated to Virginia.
>As reported by the Jewish website:
>http://www.bible-light.com/JPM/2001-10.htm

If you go to
http://yesvirginia.org/newsitem.asp?ID=31

You will find a Press Release dated April 2, 2001 from the Commonwealth of Virginia, Office of the Governer, and Virginia Economic Development Partnership stating that Virginia won the bid for the Zim relocation. Zim has used the Port of Virginia since 1985.

The Press Release says that Virginia competed with Texas for the relocation. So much for *that* notion that Zim up and skedaddled out of the WTC just days before Sept 11.

Also, the website, bible-light.com, that "draw u own conclusion" refers to as a "Jewish website", is, in fact, a Christian evangelical site.

The other site, fpp.co.uk, "draw u own conclusion" refers to as the Washington Post site. However, the WP site is located at washingtonpost.com.

The Google description of the "fpp" site is the "Web site of disgraced British Holocaust denier David Irving."

==--==--==--==
Original post:
>israeli companies evacuated the vacinity:
>by draw u own conclusion. • Friday October 11, 2002 >at 01:28 PM

>one, a mere 2 hours before the attack.
>As reported by the Washinton post a couple of weeks >aftter september eleventh:
>http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC_Odigo.html
>The other had evacuated its offices 1 week prior to the >attack.
>Zim Saved By A Move To Virginia:
>The Haifa-based Zim Israel Navigation Company’s >North American branch was headquartered in one of >the World Trade Center towers – until September 6th, >when it relocated to Virginia.
>As reported by the Jewish website:
>http://www.bible-light.com/JPM/2001-10.htm

OK, so I went to the site
http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm which was referenced.

There was one who was ID'd as "Known Country" being Israel.

But there was also only one whose "Known State" was Wisconsin, and one Idaho and one Arizona.

There was only one whose "Known Country" was Britain.

There were no Guatamalans, no Mongolians, no Argentinians, no Sudanese...

What this says is that a lot of states and countries were sparsely represented or not represented at all among the known dead.

When you only pick one set of figures out of the list, that's a misrepresentation of them.

OK, so I went to the site
http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm which was referenced.

There was one who was ID'd as "Known Country" being Israel.

But there was also only one whose "Known State" was Wisconsin, and one Idaho and one Arizona.

There was only one whose "Known Country" was Britain.

There were no Guatamalans, no Mongolians, no Argentinians, no Sudanese...

What this says is that a lot of states and countries were sparsely represented or not represented at all among the known dead.

When you only pick one set of figures out of the list, that's a misrepresentation of them.

OK, so I went to the site
http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm which was referenced.

There was one who was ID'd as "Known Country" being Israel.

But there was also only one whose "Known State" was Wisconsin, and one Idaho and one Arizona.

There was only one whose "Known Country" was Britain.

There were no Guatamalans, no Mongolians, no Argentinians, no Sudanese...

What this says is that a lot of states and countries were sparsely represented or not represented at all among the known dead.

When you only pick one set of figures out of the list, that's a misrepresentation of them.

OK, so I went to the site
http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm which was referenced.

There was one who was ID'd as "Known Country" being Israel.

But there was also only one whose "Known State" was Wisconsin, and one Idaho and one Arizona.

There was only one whose "Known Country" was Britain.

There were no Guatamalans, no Mongolians, no Argentinians, no Sudanese...

What this says is that a lot of states and countries were sparsely represented or not represented at all among the known dead.

When you only pick one set of figures out of the list, that's a misrepresentation of them.

"Who know why Five Israelis was filming the explosion
And cracking they sides at the notion"

Yeah, "who know why" (a lot more than five) Israelis were arrested in New Jersey because neighbors became suspicious when they were seen cheering and mugging for photos with the burning World Trade in the background (with all those thousands still alive and trapped!). They were found with lot's of cash, and box cutters and when the photos were developed they showed their smiling faces with the burning building in the background. HOW COME??? Hmmm? Why would our closest allies be cheering? Why would any human beings be cheering? Remember, this was right across the river from the burning buildings! It goes against all human logic unless, of course, it was that their mission was accomplished.
And don't forget about the 200 Israeli "Art students" spy network, who were posted in every town (even Hollywood Fla ! of all places in America!) that had the flight schools that taught the World Trade hi jackers how to fly AND the "Israeli art students" were just DOORS away from the hijackers...Hmmm???? (These stories were extensively covered in the Israeli press, and you can look it up in the archives of Haaretz, or go to google ).

You might ask yourself which Middle Eastern country "won" from the World Trade and the resulting "war on terror"?

Saudi Arabia? NO!

Egypt? NO!

Iraq? NO!

Or Israel ?

Gee, that seems pretty suspicious to me!!!

(Oh, but wait.... JDL says that any suggestion that Israel was involved is ANTI -SEMITIC!!! ).

SO FORGET ABOUT IT!

"Yeah, what about those cheering Israelis????"

"Israelis were arrested in New Jersey because neighbors became suspicious when they were seen cheering and mugging for photos with the burning World Trade in the background (with all those thousands still alive and trapped!). "

Actually it was Arabs, in Patterson NJ. A handful went outside and celebrated and some bloke on a local NJ tv station put it on the air. A lot of people were beaten pretty badly. It did not make the national news, and it was probably a good idea considering that just more lunatics would have ran over there and beat people up. There was also some morons in Liberty Park who were illegals and were eventually deported. And the big shocker, on Atlantic Ave. in Brooklyn, a large Muslim community, people were cheering while the rest of Brooklyn wept. Again none of it was televised, if it were it would result in bloodshed.

But this thing about Israelis? Where the Hell did that come from? The worst I heard about them, is that they were flying Israeli flags quite a bit, mainly though as a sign of solidarity with the US rather than an antagonistic one.

And the proof of this is?

And its something everybody knows except perhaps the sleepy
Even Barbara Walters has confirmed it though she did try to downplay it and whitewash

June 24, 2002


BABA WAWA'S WHITEWASH
Israeli spies cheer as WTC burns – not that there's anything wrong with that, says Barbara Walters



It was eerie to actually see the scene of a story I have written about on more than one occasion, to see and hear the people I had only read about and, vaguely, imagined. On Friday night, the ABC News program 20/20 broadcast 'The White Van,' which told the story of 5 young Israeli men apprehended in New Jersey hours after the World Trade Center was hit. They had been observed on 9/11 watching the burning of the World Trade Center from their vantage point in Liberty State Park, New Jersey, photographing each other as they rejoiced against the backdrop of the WTC aflame in the distance. Writing on March 15, I envisioned the scene, described in news stories and conjured in my mind's eye:

'As smoke billowed up into the pellucid sky, obscuring the sun, they laughed and joked and took pictures of each other against a backdrop of unspeakable horror. Outraged witnesses called the cops, who swooped down and picked them up. These Middle Eastern-looking men,' as witnesses described them, turned out to be Israelis: they were found with box cutters in their van, $4,000 in cash, and multiple passports. The van was registered as the property of 'Urban Moving Systems.' Police interrogated them for hours, and transferred them to a maximum security facility. A raid on the Urban Moving Systems warehouse (whose owner, Dominik Suter, has since fled to Israel) yielded computers, documents, and other evidence – of what?'

That's why a shiver of deja-vu passed through me as I watched the 20/20 news report. Listening to the New Jersey housewife who spotted the cheering Israelis from her highrise apartment, watching the baffled look on her face as she described the young Israelis:

'They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange,'

It was like seeing a made-for-tv movie adaptation of a novel I'd read many times. Familiar but strangely truncated in certain key areas, abbreviated to conform to the supposedly short attention span of its audience, and, in true Hollywood style, not only bowdlerized but completely vulgarized. The result is a fairly interesting story studded with nuggets of new information, and saddled with a tacked-on – indeed, downright counterintuitive – moral at the end, as intoned by Baba Wawa:

'I hope we've put all these woomers to west.'

Much of the ABC report confirms my basic contention, and the contention of many others, that there was indeed, as Fox News reporter Carl Cameron puts it, a 'vast Israeli spy operation' in the US in full operational mode prior to 9/11, engaged in watching the pro-Arab support network that operates in many major American cities.

What the 20/20 report amounts to is the Israelis' second line of defense, which basically boils down to this: well, yeah, they were Israeli spies, but they were just here defending Israel's interests and had no pre-knowledge of 9/11. In the process of spinning this new rationale, however, we have a series of damning admissions, as spun by ABC terrorism 'expert' Vince Cannistraro, a 'former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA.'

The arrested men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database. We are also told by Cannistraro – as if we don't already know – that Urban Moving Systems was probably a Mossad front. Duh-uh! Gee, I guess that's why, shortly after the cops raided their New Jersey office, the Urban Movers got a move on, with owner Dominick Suter fleeing the country. The purpose of this spy nest, we are told in a reassuring tone, was

'Launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area.'

20/20 runs this 'sure they were spies, but…' explanation up the flagpole in the hope that, awed by Cannistraro's 'expertise' and connections, everyone will salute:

'Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11.'

The problem with this fallback story is that penetrating or monitoring New Jersey Muslims and having foreknowledge of 9/11 are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, such surveillance – to the degree it was successful – would have increased the likelihood that the Israelis would gain some knowledge of the 9/11 plot. If not all the details, at least a strong indication that 9/11 was bound to be a special day – one they would celebrate, shamelessly and carelessly, in full sight of others, unable to restrain their joy at the sight of the WTC emitting a black cloud over Manhattan.

A September 14 New York Times round-up of the nationwide investigation into the terrorist attacks seemed to imply not just foreknowledge, in the case of the 5 Israelis, but some form of collaboration:

'In New Jersey, where officials believe that the hijackers received assistance from accomplices, Sherri Evanina, a spokeswoman for the FBI. in Newark, said that five men were detained late Tuesday after the van in which they were driving was stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford. She said witnesses had reported seeing the men celebrating the attack on the World Trade Center earlier in the day in Union City. 'They were seen leaving the location after they were celebrating,' Agent Evanina said. 'They were watching the entire event from their location.''

If the best comedy is unintentional, then 'The White Van' is chock full of yucks. The following had me rolling on the floor:

'For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his awyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.'

For the FBI, it seems, deciphering anything that isn't completely spelled out for them is well nigh impossible. So he wouldn't take the test for weeks, then took it and failed and then denied working for the Mossad – in this country, at any rate. As John Stossel, Barbara Walters' 20/20 colleague, ceaselessly reiterates: 'Gimme a break!'

Why, in this case, is it so hard for the FBI to discover the truth – when they're being practically hit over the head with it? It's pathetic, really, to contemplate the utter cluelessness of our chief federal law enforcement agency, and the reporters who take their denials seriously. As 20/20 reports:

'Despite the denials, sources tell ABC News there is still debate within the FBI over whether or not the young men were spies.'

No wonder Mohamed Atta and his fellow ghouls managed to sidestep our Keystone Kops so easily. If these jokers are still 'debating' the obvious, then our government officials are right when they tell us that another massive terrorist attack is 'inevitable.' With these retards on guard duty, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

Our tone-deaf 20/20 reporter, John Miller, blathers on, oddly oblivious to the jarring effect of a conclusion that seems to contradict much of what came before. Okay, so 'many U.S. government officials' concede the Urban Movers were Mossad spies, in the area on a specific mission, but don't worry, folks, because the FBI is telling us 'To date, this investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11.' Note the curiously tentative nature of this disclaimer: to date, indeed….

The 20/20 technique is merely to drag Cannistraro out, who references mysterious 'sources' to conclude that those lost little Israelis were just having some good clean fun that day, protecting Israel against terrorism (in New Jersey!):

'The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the polygraphs, all of the field work, all the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11.'

Move along. Nothing to see here. Take it from me, the Expert. After all, would I lie to you?

The tale of the White Van, as told by 20/20, raises more questions than it settles. For what about those polygraphs? We are told that some of the Israeli detainees 'were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.' Why so many? The five were detained for over two months, 40 days of it in solitary confinement, time and opportunity enough for an awful lot of questions. Perhaps some of the answers contain a clue to help unravel the central unsolved mystery of 9/11, which is this:

How in Gehenna did a rag-tag bunch of Islamist nutballs, who were hoping to finance their terrorist plot with a US government loan, manage to pull off the biggest, deadliest, most spectacularly coordinated act of super-sabotage in modern history – without state support, all on their own?

The recent revelations by ex-FBI wiretap translator Sibel Edmonds of an unnamed 'Middle Eastern country' with agents inside the FBI obstructing, mistranslating, and misdirecting official investigations make the question of 'foreknowledge,' 'pre-knowledge,' or whatever you want to call it moot. As I pointed out in my last column, the Edmonds allegations raise the ante considerably, from passive foreknowledge of 9/11 to the sinister possibility of Israel's active facilitation. As Edmonds wrote in a March letter to the inspector general's office:

'Investigations are being compromised. Incorrect or misleading translations are being sent to agents in the field. Translations are being blocked and circumvented.'

It will take more than Baba Wawa and her babbling yes-man to circumvent the facts and 'spin' the Israelis out of this one. For what 20/20 conveniently left out was the entire context of the larger Israeli spy story, as uncovered by Carl Cameron in his 4-part series on Fox News, and since widely discussed both here and abroad.

We are supposed to look at five guys in a van, dancing for joy in the shadow of the burning WTC, in isolation, apart from the hundreds of Israeli 'art students' who took such an ardent interest in entering government buildings in the months and weeks prior to 9/11.

Most absurdly, we are supposed to ignore a Federal Bureau of Investigation riddled with spies who owe their allegiance to a certain 'Middle Eastern' country with an interest in compromising investigations, circulating misleading translations of wiretaps, and blocking what can't be botched. If all that is true today, then it was even truer prior to 9/11 – and now are you beginning to solve the central mystery of 9/11?

The intrepid reporters over at 20/20 look like they went to a lot of trouble to check out this story. They tracked down one of the original witnesses, went all the way to Israel to hear the young Israelis' denials, and hauled out ABC's highly-paid pet 'expert' to spin away the obvious. But, somehow, they failed to do the elementary sort of research that would've mandated only a trip to their local library. There they might have read this astonishing story that appeared in the [September 12, 2001] Bergen Record, which describes the 5 Israeli detainees picked up 8 hours after the WTC attack as 'carrying maps linking them to the blasts':

'[S]ources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. 'There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted,' the source said. 'It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.''

Baba Wawa's whitewash won't wash. Those 'woomers' are still circulating – and with good reason. We won't know what really happened that fateful day until and unless Congress takes seriously its responsibility to investigate. For starters, let's take a look at those highlighted maps – and then drag the rest of Israel's spy operation out into the full light of day. Then and only then can we answer an increasingly important question about the background to 9/11: What did the Israelis know – and how did they know it?

http://www.middleeast.org/comments/1/3941.shtml

And note, they were there, with the video equiptment "shortly after the first plane hit the towers"



The White Van
Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?


June 21 — Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and those
who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw something that
morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible
connection to Israeli intelligence.
Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from
her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the
first plane hit the towers.
She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the
van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide
bulletin was issued on the van.
The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around
4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's
Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27
years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed
by police.
The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One
of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign
passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the
officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.
‘We Are Not Your Problem’
According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on
the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World
Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are
Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are
the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded
Ellner and Omer Marmari.
When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal
Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible
for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.
One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban
Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.
After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban Moving's
Weehawken, N.J., offices.
The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents
and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving's owner. His
attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents
tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone.
Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it
looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying
around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained
in the warehouse.
The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned
with his family to Israel.
‘A Scary Situation’
Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients'
actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. "You got a group of guys that
are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They're speaking in a
foreign language. They got two passports on 'em. One's got a wad of cash on him, and
they got box cutters. Now that's a scary situation."
But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had come to America
for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company, and were taking pictures of the
event.
The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly
for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks
after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told
ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.
The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed
in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven
lie-detector tests.
'Plenty of Speculation'
Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men
were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New
York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.
Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is
now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was
heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence
database.
Israeli Intelligence Connection?
According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that
some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was
speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of
launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the
New Jersey-New York area."
Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States,
but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in Muslim
communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where several of the
hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11.
For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of
them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it,
according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to
take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.
Sources say the Israelis were targeting these fund-raising networks because they were
thought to be channeling money to Hamas and Islamic Jihad, groups that are responsible
for most of the suicide bombings in Israel. "[The] Israeli government has been very
concerned about the activity of radical Islamic groups in the United States that could be a
support apparatus to Hamas and Islamic Jihad," Cannistraro said.
The men denied that they had been working for Israeli intelligence out of the New Jersey
moving company, and Ram Horvitz, their Israeli attorney, dismissed the allegations as
"stupid and ridiculous."
Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, goes even further,
asserting the issue was never even discussed with U.S. officials.
"These five men were not involved in any intelligence operation in the United States, and
the American intelligence authorities have never raised this issue with us," Regev said.
"The story is simply false."
No ‘Pre-Knowledge’
Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the FBI over
whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government officials still believe
that some of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS,
"To date, this investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had
pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11."
Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence to conclude they
had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. The investigation, at the end
of the day, after all the polygraphs, all of the field work, all the cross-checking, the
intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11,"
Cannistraro noted.
As to what they were doing on the van, they say they read about the attack on the
Internet, couldn't see it from their offices and went to the parking lot for a better view.
But no one has been able to find a good explanation for why they may have been smiling
with the towers of the World Trade Center burning in the background. Both the lawyers
for the young men and the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature conduct.
According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a
deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and
deported back home.
While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention
and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience
in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.
Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept.
11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily.
Our purpose was to document the event."
ABCNEWS' Chris Isham, John Miller, Glenn Silber and Chris Vlasto contributed to this
report.

Good poem. Thank you to the brave man who exposed the truth about the israelis conspiracy.

Amiri Baraka is simply this: a liar. America and Western Civilization was and is under attack by fascist racist assassins who murder innocent people in the name of their diseased idea of religion. We western people are the victims of racist hatred, Hebrew and Christians alike.
And this..."poet" has the chutzpah to bring forth a theory that is only comparable to the Sion's Protocol horrible calumny . Shame on him!

Amiri Baraka is simply this: a liar. America and Western Civilization was and is under attack by fascist racist assassins who murder innocent people in the name of their diseased idea of religion. We western people are the victims of racist hatred, Hebrew and Christians alike.
And this..."poet" has the chutzpah to bring forth a theory that is only comparable to the Sion's Protocol horrible calumny . Shame on him!

Amiri Baraka is simply this: a liar. America and Western Civilization was and is under attack by fascist racist assassins who murder innocent people in the name of their diseased idea of religion. We western people are the victims of racist hatred, Hebrew and Christians alike.
And this..."poet" has the chutzpah to bring forth a theory that is only comparable to the Sion's Protocol horrible calumny . Shame on him!

is that you have an artistically inept poet who's only means of attaining attention is to go on some strange paranoid schizophrenic tirade about the damned Jews. Similar to the story of a failed painter who could never get into art school, afterward he went on some paranoid kick about the damned jews. and we all know what to call those people who followed him.

P.S. I beg any of you to attempt to say how and why this poem has any artistic value.

If he wants to win The noble peace prize he`s gotta start taking pot shots at muslims.

Exactly, your response to it made it Art.
Read a book.

International Bankers, CNN, Global Positional Satellites, Corporatization, One World Government- NWO, Forth Reich...
Need to go on?

Ask a Native American or any Indigenous Homo-sapien if you happen to bump into one!
Everyone has "their" story/lie to tell. It all depends on what tickles your fantasy.

"Exactly, your response to it made it Art.
Read a book."

This comes from someone who has no aesthetic values whatsoever and couldn't tell the difference between the squiggly lines of a monkey and a monet.

PS I have read many, many books on art my friend

I've read lyrics by garbage metal bands with more artistic integrity. The poem hides behind ebonics-like jargon in hopes of disguising its ineptitudes as exhibitions of cultural flair. Furthermore, the poet is a blatant anti-Caucasian, antisemitic racist.

That said, he has a right to be an a-hole if he wants to.

I'm not arguing, I'm asking: If Israel is somehow supposed to've worked with their worst enemies (Arabs) to bring 9/11 about, how is this possible? Most Palestinians would rather spit in the eye of a Jew than talk to him and vice versa. It's very, very hard to see the two sides cooperating for any reason.

>>> It's very, very hard to see the two sides cooperating for any reason. <<<

Jordan cooperates with Israel because Israel supplies their water.

Keyword: "Most," as is in "not all."

Why didn't he just call it "Jews & Whitey Suck?" ;)

I think that we are moving away from the topic at hand. In any consipracy, there will be factual and suspect and false and evidence under scrutiny. The conspiracy involving 9/11 will never be known, just like the conspiracies of the past, ones that Amiri mentions in the poem, (JFK for instance). What needs to be addressed instead, is what is the responsibilty of an artist? What is the responsibility of a poet laurette? Does the state want to be responsible for granting this poet position to the best candidate, even if he/she is controversial? What up and coming artist is not controversial in some form or another? Do we have to consider the political background of Amiri before deciding whether is poem is worhty. Who are we to say his art is not allowed? We can disagree and have ever right to hate it, but to not accept it somewhere in our society speaks to me of censorship. Wouldn't it be adding fuel to the fire if Amiri was forced to resign? This event/conspiracy would be another line in another poem about repression.

Like I said, regardless of his afro Nazi beliefs, he has a right to be an outspoken ass, if he chooses.

When under any circumstances, Allah condones self righteousness, cowardly evil (like the murder of women and children), and riots, all in his name, who is really the “great Satan”?

A right winger criticizing someone for self-righteousness, shit that's funny ......

I heard Hitler got mad at people who were cruel to animals, go figure.

I'm not a right winger, dude. I'm actually a liberal liberal independent who resents having a conservative regime in office that did NOT get the popular vote and which probably fostered (or at least stood idle, allowing) 911 to ensure their future.

For the record, I don't even believe all Muslims are bad (Nutlamics specifically = those who believe they're entitled to murder others). I've read part of the Koran, though, and it's hard to see much good in a religion that bases most chapters on dealing with "infidels". Any faith that advocates violence as a means of conversion is bogus to me.

http://physics.syr.edu/people/phy-phon.html

Most of the 911 folk were well-educated, quiet, everyday-Joe types, too... Hmm...

But no, I'm being a racist ass. Muslims only want peace, right?

perhaps you need to read some testaments too...

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"but those mine enemies who would not that I should reign over them, bring hither , and slay them before me"
--Prince of Peace, the alleged Jesus, Luke 19:27

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Psalms 58:6
Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.

58:7
Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.

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All Atheists Are Evil:

Psalms, 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

14:2
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

14:3
They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

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Psalms, 137:1
By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

137:2
We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.

137:3
For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.

137:4
How shall we sing the LORD's song in a strange land?

137:5
If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.

137:6
If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.

137:7
Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

137:8
O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

137:9
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

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Exodus 2:11
And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.

2:12
And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.

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Psalms, 18:34
18:34
He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.

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Genesis: 38:7
And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.

38:8
And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.

38:9
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

38:10
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

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Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of WAR: the LORD is his name.

15:4
Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.

15:5
The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone.

15:6
Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

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Leviticus, 20:9
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

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You want more?

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty.html

I know it's because I am as old as Methuselah but it's driving me crazy (a little) the misspelling. Doesn't a poet laureate deserved to have it spelled correctly.
Color me methuseliastic for the overall brilliance of the poem.

Ever READ the Koran (or even part of it)? You can search the Bible and find kill-the-infidels stuff (of course; there's no denying it IS in there, too), but it takes a lot less effort to find in Meinhammed Kampf. Practically every other Koranic verse contains some reference.

I think every verse is stretching it quite a bit. I sort of doubt you've actually read it yourself when you say that .. in fact, its downright unbelievable.

If you'd like to, though, here it is:

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

I said every other verse, actually... but in truth, you're right. Every other verse is about "nonbelievers". Every other verse after those is actually more the average, if the text is taken as a whole.

Yes, I've read the first few chapters. Couldn't stomach more.

Oh well, let's see what the Bible has to say about nonbelievers, for simple comparison, then.

Genesis

God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4
God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23
Noah kills the "clean beasts" and burns their dead bodies for God. According to 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all "clean" animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. "And the Lord smelled a sweet savor." 8:20
God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10
Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Pet.2:7-8. 19:7-8
God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24
God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13
Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31
"The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them." I don't know what the "terror of God" is, but I'll bet it isn't pleasant. 35:5
"And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7
After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10
After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24
Joseph interprets the baker's dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker's head, and hang his headless body on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19

Exodus

Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12
God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son. 4:23
God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26
God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. 7:17-24
The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die. 9:2-6
The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast. 9:9-12
God kills all Egyptian cattle with hail. 9:19-20
The seventh plague is hail. "And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast." 9:22-25
These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God was premeditated. 11:4-6 (see 12:29-30)
God explains to Moses that he intends to "smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12
After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29
To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15
After hardening Pharaoh's heart a few more times, God drowns Pharaoh's army in the sea 14:4-28
"The Lord is a man of war." Indeed, judging from his acts in the Old Testament, he is a vicious warlike monster. 15:3
God's right hand dashes people in pieces. 15:6
Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13
"The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." 17:14-16
Any person or animal that touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death or "shot through." 19:12-13
God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such "burnt offerings," he will bless us for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24
A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25
If an ox gores someone, then both the ox and its owner must die. 21:28-29
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18
"Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn't we just send them to counseling or something? 22:19
"He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20
If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24
"The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me." (As a burnt offering?) 22:29
God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27
Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8
Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood all around -- in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37
Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer each day? 29:36-39
Wash up or die. 30:20-21
Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33
Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14
God asks to be left alone so that his "wrath may wax hot." 32:10
God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor." "And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28
But God wasn't satisfied with the slaughter of the 3000, so he killed some more people with a plague. 32:35
If you can't redeem him, then just "break his neck." Hey, it's all for the glory of God. 34:20
Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3

Leviticus

God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." Chapters 1 - 9
Wringing off the heads of pigeons for God. 5:8-9
The holy law of trespass offering: Find an animal; kill it; sprinkle the blood around; offer God the fat, rump, kidneys, and caul; burn and eat it in the holy place, for "it is most holy." 7:1-6
Be careful what you eat during these animal sacrifices. Don't eat fat or blood -- these are for God. (And he doesn't like to share!) 7:18-27
God gives instructions for "wave offerings" and "heave offerings." He says these offerings are to be made perpetually "by a statute for ever." Have you made your heave offering today? 7:30-36
Moses does it all for God. First he kills an animal; wipes the blood on Aaron's ears, thumbs, and big toes. Then he sprinkles blood round about and waves the guts before the Lord. Finally he burns the whole mess for "a sweet savour before the Lord." 8:14-32
More killing, sprinkling of blood, waiving animal parts, and burning carcasses "before the Lord." 9:8-21
Two of the sons of Aaron "offered strange fire before the Lord" and "there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord." 10:1-2
If priests misbehave by uncovering their heads or tearing their clothes, then God will kill them and "all the people." 10:6
God's treatment for leprosy: Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally kill a couple doves and offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. 14:2-32
God explains the use of scapegoats. It goes like this: Get two goats. Kill one. Wipe, smear, and sprinkle the blood around seven times. Then take the other goat, give it the sins of all the people, and send it off into the wilderness. 16:6-28
If you upset God, he'll cause the land to vomit you out. 18:25
"Whosoever shall commit any of these abominations ... shall be cut off from among their people." I'm not sure what being "cut off" means exactly, but I bet it isn't any fun. 18:29, 19:8
Kill anyone who "gives his seed" to Molech. If you refuse, God will cut you and your family off. 20:2-5
"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." Couldn't we try spanking first? 20:9
Both parties in adultery shall be executed. 20:10
"And the man that lieth with his father's wife ... both of them shall be put to death." Which? The man and his father? The father and his wife? Or the man and his father's wife? Oh heck, just kill all three. 20:11
If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. 20:12
Homosexuals must be executed. 20:13
If you "lie" with your wife and your mother-in-law (now that sounds fun!), then all three of you must be burned to death. 20:14
If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. 20:15-16
People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27
A priest's daughter who "plays the whore" is to be burned to death. 21:9
God gives us more instructions on killing and burning animals. I guess the first nine chapters of Leviticus wasn't enough. He says we must do this because he really likes the smell -- it is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 22:12-14, 18
Don't do any work on the day of atonement or God will destroy you. 23:29-30
Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 24:14-23
God tells the Israelites to "chase" their enemies and make them "fall before you by the sword." He figures five of the Israelites will be able to "chase" a hundred of their enemies, and a hundred will be able to "put ten thousand to flight." 26:7-8
God describes torments that he has planned for those who displease him. The usual stuff: plagues, burning fevers that will consume the eyes, etc. but he reserves the worst for the little children. He says "ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it", "I will send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children", and "ye shall eat the flesh of your sons .. daughters." 26:16-39
All "devoted" things (both man and beast) "shall surely be put to death." 27:28-29

Numbers

God displays his hospitality with the admonition: "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 1:51
Two of Aaron's sons are killed by God for "offering strange fire before the Lord." 3:4
God repeats his order (see 1:51) to kill any strangers who happen to come near. 3:10
Once again (see 1:51 and 3:10) God tells his favorite people to kill any strangers that come near. 3:38
Don't touch or "go in to see when the holy things are covered." God kills people who touch or look at uncovered holy things. 4:15, 4:20
"And when the people complained, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it." (He had his hearing aid on.) He then burns the complainers alive. That'll teach them. 11:1
"And wile the flesh [of the quails] was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague. "The Bible isn't too clear about what these poor folks did to upset God so much; all it says is that they had "lusted." 11:33
More plagues and pestilence sent by God. God repeats one of his favorite promises: "your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness." 14:12, 29, 14:32-37
God gives more instructions for the ritualistic killing of animals. The smell of burning flesh is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 15:3, 13-14, 24
The Israelites find a man picking up sticks on the sabbath. God commands them to kill him by throwing rocks at him. 15:32- 36
Because of a dispute between Korah and Moses, God makes the ground open up and it swallows Korah and his family. And then, just for the hell of it, God has a fire burn 250 men (friends of Korah?) to death. 16:20-49
After God killed Korah, his family, and 250 innocent bystanders, the people complained saying, "ye have killed the people of the Lord." So God, who doesn't take kindly to criticism, sends a plague on the people. And "they that died in the plague were 14,700." 16:41-50
God threatens to kill those who murmur. To which the people reply, "Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish .... Shall we be consumed with dying?" 17:12-13
According to this verse, it is wise to stay away from holy things and places -- like churches. God will kill you if you get too close. 18:3
God shows us how to make new friends by saying : "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 18:7
God describes once again the procedure for ritualistic animal sacrifices. such rituals must be extremely important to God, since he makes their performance a "statute" and "covenant" forever. Why, then don't Bible-believers perform these sacrifices anymore? Don't they realize how God must miss the "sweet savour" of burning flesh? Don't they believe God when he says "forever"? 18:17-19
Don't get near holy things or "pollute" them. If you do, God will kill you. 18:22, 32
The purification of the unclean. These absurd rituals, cruel sacrifices, and unjust punishments are vitally important to God. He even insists that they are to be "a perpetual statute" to all humankind. 19:1-22
"And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities." This verse demonstrates the power of prayer: If you ask God, he will destroy entire cities for you. 21:3
God sends "fiery serpents" to bite his chosen people, and many of them die. 21:6
God delivers the Amorites into Moses' hands. (You're in God hands with Moses.) So Moses does the usual thing, killing everyone "until their was none left alive." 21:34-35
God's people will kill like a lion and then "drink the blood of the slain." 23:24
God, who is as strong as a unicorn, will eat up the nations, break their bones, and then pierce them through with his arrows. What a guy! 24:8
After the people "commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab," Moses has them all killed. Then God tells Moses to hang their dead bodies up in front of him; God says that this will satisfy him. 25:1-5
When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9
God tells Moses how to care for his neighbors by saying: "Vex the Midianites, and smite them." 25:16-17
The ground swallow Korah and his companions and a fire consumes 250 men. 26:10
"And Nadab and Abihu died when they offered strange fire before the Lord." When you go camping avoid making any unusual fires. 26:61
In these chapters, God provides ridiculously detailed instructions for the ritualistic sacrifice of animals. The burning of their dead bodies smells great to God. Eleven times in these two chapters God says that they are to him a "sweet savour."
Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! [Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins. (31:28-29)] 31:1-54 28-29
God killed all the Egyptian firstborn. 33:4
"The revenger of blood" must murder the murderer just as soon as he sees him. 35:19, 21
When a murder is committed the blood pollutes the land. The only way to cleanse it is to spill more blood by killing the killer. 35:33

Deuteronomy

"The Lord destroyed them before them" -- the general treatment of the people who were supposedly displaced by the Israelites. 2:21-22
God hardened the heart of the king of Heshbon and so that he could have him and all of his people killed. 2:30
At God's instructions, the Israelites "utterly destroyed the men, women, and the little ones" leaving "none to remain." 2:33-36
Again the Israelites kill everyone: "men, women, and children, of every city." 3:3,6
When going to war, don't be afraid. God is on your side; "he shall fight for you." 3:22
God destoyed the followers of Baalpeor. 4:3
If you worship the wrong god, God will get jealous and kill you. 6:15
God instructs the Israelites to kill, without mercy, all the inhabitants (strangers) of the land that they conquer. 7:2
If you do show any mercy to such strangers, "give your daughters to any of them, or "take" any of their daughters, then you'll get God so angry that he'll "destroy thee suddenly." 7:4
God will kill those who hate him. 7:10
God commands his people to "consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity on them." 7:16
God will send hornets to kill your enemies, "for the Lord thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible." 7:20-23
God is "a consuming fire" that destroys people. 9:3
"The blood of sacrifices shall be poured out ... and thou shalt eat the flesh." Isn't this the sort of thing that satanists are accused of doing? 12:27
Prophets and dreamers are to be executed if they say or dream the wrong things. 13:1-5
If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tries to get you to worship another god, "thou shalt surely kill him, thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death." If Bible-believers followed this one, they would have to kill many of their own family and friends. 13:6-10
If you hear of a city where another god is worshiped, then destroy everyone in the city (even the cattle) and burn it down. (Watch out Salt Lake!) 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious beliefs that are different from your own. 17:2-7
Anyone who will not listen to a priest or a judge must be executed. 17:12-13
False prophets are to be (you guessed it) executed. How do you know who is a false prophet? By whether or not their predictions come true. (Watch out Jehovah's Witnesses!) 18:20
Murderers and perjurers are to be executed -- "and thine eye shall not pity" them. 19:11-13, 18-21
God travels with people and fights in their wars. 20:4
In the cities that god "delivers into thine hands" you must kill all the males (including old men, boys, and babies) with "the edge of the sword .... But the women ... shalt thou take unto yourself." 20:13
"But of the cities ... which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth." Kill the old men and women, the sick and the dying, the blind and the lame, pregnant mothers, nursing mothers, infants, toddlers, and babies. 20:16
If you find a dead body and don't know the cause of death, then get all the elders together, cut off the head of a heifer, wash your hands over its body, and say our hands have not shed this blood. (That'll do it!) 21:1-8
If you have a "stubborn and rebellious son," then you and the other men in your neighborhood "shall stone him with stones that he die." 21:18-21
Hang on trees the bodies of those who are "accursed of God." They make nice decorations. 21:22
If a man marries, then decides that he hates his wife, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they were married. If her father can't produce the "tokens of her virginity" (bloody sheets), then the woman is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep. 22:13-21
"If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die." 22:22
If a betrothed virgin is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, then "the men of the city shall stone her to death." 22:23-24
If two men fight and the wife of one grabs the "secrets" of the other, "then thou shalt cut off her hand" and "thy eye shall not pity her." 25:11-12
God commands the Israelites to "blot out the rembrance of Amalek from under heaven." A few hundred years later God orders Saul to kill of the Amalekites "both man and woman, infant and suckling." (1 Sam.15:2-3) 25:19
"Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body." 28:18
If you misbehave, god will send you "cursing, vexing, the pestilence, consumption, fever, inflammation, extreme burning, the sword, blasting, and mildew." 28:20-22
"And thy carcass shall be meat to all the fowls of the air." 28:25-26
"The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and the emerods [hemorrhoids], and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst be healed. The Lord will smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart." 28:27-28
"Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes." 28:31
Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people." 28:32
You will be enslaved and driven mad in another country. 28:33-34
"The Lord will smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head." 28:35
You will be ruled by other nations, forced to serve other gods, become a laughingstock among your neighbors, have your crops destroyed by locusts, your vines eaten by worms, and have fruitless olive trees. 28:36-40
"Thou shalt begat sons and daughters, but thou shall not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity." 28:41
"All these curses shall come upon thee ... and upon thy seed for ever." 28:48-49
God will enslave you and destoy you with hunger, thirst, hardship, and all kinds of deprivation. 28:48-52
"And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters." 28:53-55
"The tender and delicate woman" will be forced to eat her own children "that cometh out from between her feet." 28:56-57
If you don't do as God says he'll send plagues to torment and destroy you. 28:58-67
God will have you sold to your enemies -- but even they won't buy you. 28:68
God, in his jealousy, "will not spare him and will smite him with "all the curses that are in this book." 29:20
"And the Lord will put all these curses upon thine enemies." See Dt.28:16-64 for some of the curses God has in mind. 30:7
When God gets mad -- watch out! He'll starve you to death, burn you with fire, and send vicious beasts to devour you. He'll "destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs." Not even the helpless and innocent are spared by this psychotic God. 32:21-26
God says, "To me belongeth vengeance, and recompense ... for the day of their destruction is at hand." God's attitude seems to be: "Go ahead, make my day." 32:35
God says, "I kill ... I wound ... I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh." Someone should take his sword and arrows away, at least until he's feeling better. 32:39-43

Joshua

"And the city shall be accursed ... and all that therein, to the Lord: only Rahab the harlot shall live." God explains that Rahab is to be spared since she hid Joshua's spies and lied to those who were searching for them (2:4-5). But why was everyone else killed? Some of them were probably liars too. 6:17
"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." 6:21
After killing everyone, "they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein." Only the valuables (silver, gold, brass, and iron) did they keep to "put into the treasury of the house of the Lord." 6:24
Joshua says that those who try to rebuild Jericho will be accursed by God, and will have to sacrifice both their oldest and their youngest sons in its construction. Well, Jericho still exists today, and is often considered to be the world's oldest, continuously occupied city. 6:26
If you happen to see "the accursed thing," don't touch it. If you do, you, your family, and all of your animals must be burned. 7:15
"And Joshua ... took Achan ... and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his sheep... And all of Israel stoned them with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones." This is because Achan "took of the accursed thing" -- whatever that means. But why would God require that Achan's sons and daughters (and even his animals) be stoned to death along with him? The Bible doesn't say. But it does tell us that "the Lord turned from the fierceness of his anger" when Achan, his children, and his animals were stoned to death and their dead bodies burned. This story tells us about the loving kindness of the biblical God. 7:24-16
"When ye have taken the city [Ai] ... ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD. 8:8
Joshua and his army, per God's instructions, slaughter "all the inhabitants of Ai." 8:22-26
Joshua hangs the king of Ai on a tree until evening. 8:29
After Joshua kills all the inhabitants of Ai, burns their city, and hangs their king on a tree, he kills some animals and burns them as a "peace offering" to his warlike God. 8:31
God curses the Gibeonites to be slaves of the Jews forever. 9:21-27
God slaughters the Amorites and even chases them "along the way" as they try to escape. Then he sends down huge hailstones and kills even more of them. 10:10-11
In a divine type of daylight savings time, God makes the sun stand still so that Joshua can get all his killing done before dark. 10:12-13
God tells Joshua to "pursue after your enemies and smite the hindmost of them." (Kick their butts.) Don't let any of them escape "for the Lord your God hath delivered them into your hand." 10:19
Joshua tells his captains to "put your feet upon the necks of these kings." He says, "thus shall the Lord do to all of your enemies." Then Joshua kills the kings and hangs them on trees. 10:24-26
Joshua, at God's command, kills everyone and everything that he can find (including babies and little children)-- or, as the Bible puts it, he "utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord commanded." 10:28-32
God delivers the Hazorites into Joshua's hand, and he knows just what to do with them: he smites them all with (you guessed it) the edge of the sword until "there was not any left to breathe." 11:6-17
"And Joshua did unto them as the LORD bade him: he houghed their horses." 11:9
"For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly." Notice that God hardens their hearts so that he can have an excuse to kill them. 11:20
"Did not Achan son of Zerah commit a trespass in the accursed thing, and wrath fell on all the congregation of Israel?" To find out see Joshua 7:1-26. 22:20
God is jealous and will never forgive you for your sins. "He will turn and do you hurt, and consume you." 24:19-20

Judges

God appoints Judah to succeed Joshua. The Lord delivers his foes into his hands and another 10,000 are slain. In the process, they capture Adonibezek and "cut off his thumbs and great toes." Nice guys. 1:2-7
"They slew the Canaanites that inhabited Zephath, and utterly destroyed it ... And the Lord was with Judah." (You can tell by the number of innocent people he killed.) 1:17, 19
Ehud delivers a "message from God" to the king of Moab. God's message consists of a knife thrust so deeply into the king's belly that it could not be extracted, "and the dirt came out." Just another lovely Bible story. 3:15-22
God "delivers" more folks into the hands of his chosen people. "And they slew of Moab ... about 10,000 men ... and their escaped not a man." 3:28-29
Shamgar kills 600 Philistines with an ox goad. Praise God. 3:31
"The Lord discomfited Sisera ... with the edge of the sword ... and there was not a man left." 4:15-16
Jael (our heroine) offers food and shelter to a traveler (Sisera, Jabin's captain), saying "turn in my Lord ... fear not." Then after giving him a glass of milk and tucking him in, she drives a tent stake through his head. "So God subdued on that day Jabin by Jael." 4:17-23
For murdering her guest while he slept, Jael is "blessed above women." (Hail Jael, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women....?) 5:24-26
"So let all thine enemies perish, O Lord." (Let them all have their temples pierced by blessed women.) 5:31
When Gideon and his water-lapping companions blow their trumpets, God forces all the enemy soldiers to kill each other. 7:22
Two princes are killed and their heads are brought to Gideon. 7:25
For refusing to feed him and his army, Gideon tears the flesh off the elders of Succoth and kills the men of the city. 8:7, 16
Gideon orders his son to kill two kings, but he refuses. So Gideon has to do it himself since his son isn't "man" enough to do it. 8:20
Abimelech kills 70 brothers "upon one stone." (He was trying to get in the Guinness Book of World Records.) 9:5
God sends evil spirits that cause humans to deal treacherously with each other. 9:23-24
God smites Sihon and all his people and gives their land to Israel. 11:21
"Whomsoever the LORD our God shall drive out from before us, them will we [the Israelites] possess." 11:24
When "the spirit of the Lord" comes upon Jephthah, he makes a deal with God: If God will help him kill the Ammonites, then he (Jephthah) will offer to God as a burnt offering whatever comes out of his house to greet him. God keeps his end of the deal by providing Jephthah with "a very great slaughter." But when Jephthah returns, his nameless daughter comes out to greet him (who'd he expect, his wife?). Well, a deal's a deal, so he delivers her to God as a burnt offering -- after letting her spend a couple of months going up and down on the mountains bewailing her virginity. 11:29-39
42,000 men are killed because someone mispronounces "shibboleth." 12:6
Samson rips up a young lion when "the spirit of the Lord came mightily upon him." Later, when going to "take" his Philistine wife he notices a swarm of bees and honey in the lion's carcass (a Divine miracle -- or just rotting flesh and maggots?). 14:5- 8
"And the spirit of the Lord came upon him [Samson], and he ... slew thirty men." (Samson might have been a decent person if he could have kept the spirit of the Lord off him.) 14:19
Samson catches 300 foxes, ties their tails together, and sets them on fire; the Philistines burn Samson's ex-wife and father-in- law; and Samson smites them "hip and thigh with a great slaughter." 15:4-8
"The spirit of the Lord came mightily upon" Samson and "he found a new jawbone of an ass ... and took it, and slew 1000 men therewith." 15:14-15
Samson, with God's help, kills himself and 3000 Philistine men and women by causing a roof to collapse. 16:28-30
After taking in a traveling Levite, the host offers his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine to a mob of perverts (who want to have sex with his guest). The mob refuses the daughter, but accepts the concubine and they "abuse her all night." The next morning she crawls back to the doorstep and dies. The Levite puts her dead body on an ass and takes her home. Then he chops her body up into twelve pieces and sends them to each of the twelve tribes of Israel 19:22-30
God tells the Israelites to send the tribe of Judah into battle and 22,000 men were killed by the Benjamites. 20:18, 21
God tells them to go to battle again and another 18,000 are killed. 20:23, 25
Finally, God enters the fray and kills 25,100 Benjamites. 20:35, 37
To find wives for the Benjamites (they were unwilling to use their own daughters), the other tribes attacked and killed all occupants of a city except for the young virgins. These virgins were then given to the Benjamites for wives. 21:7-23

1 Samuel

"The Lord killeth ..." -- every chance he gets. 2:6, 2:25
"The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them." If God doesn't like you, he'll send a thunderstorm your way to break your body into little pieces. 2:10
If you're not careful God will cut off your arm, consume your eyes, grieve your heart, and kill your sons and grandfathers. 2:31-34
God smites the people of Ashdod with hemorrhoids "in their secret parts." 5:6, 9, 12
for there was a deadly destruction throughout all the city; the hand of God was very heavy there. 5:11
God kills 50,070 men for looking into the ark. "And the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter." 6:19
"I make a covenant with your, that I may thrust out all your right eyes." Deals like this can only be found in the Bible. 11:2
"And the spirit of God came upon Saul ... and he took a yoke of oxen, and hewed them in pieces, and sent them throughout all the coast of Israel [just as the Levite did to his concubine in Jg.19:22-30]". People do the darnedest things when the spirit of God comes upon them! 11:6-7
"Saul ... slew the Ammorites unto the heat of the day." Then he probably took a little break. After all, killing is hard work. 11:11
God delivers the Philistines into Johathan's hand. And his very "first slaughter ... was about twenty men." Not bad for a first slaughter. 14:12
Under God's influence, the Philistines killed each other. 14:20
But later, Saul and his army kill all of those who had not already been killed. 14:36
God orders Saul to kill all of the Amalekites: men, women, infants, sucklings, ox, sheep, camels, and asses. Why? Because God remembers what Amalek did hundreds of years ago. What did this have to do with the present situation? Nothing. God just wanted to some more innocent people killed. 15:2-3
Saul killed everyone but Agag (the king) and the best of the animals. But still God was furious with Saul for not killing everything as he had been told to do. He said, "it repenteth me that I have se Saul up to be king." 15:7-26
To please God, Samuel hacks Agag in pieces "before the Lord" [I bet God enjoyed that!] -- after Agag pleads with him saying, "surely the bitterness of death has past." 15:32-34
David kills Goliath with his sling, beheads him, and carries the head back to Jerusalem. 17:51, 54
David and Saul have a contest to see who can kill the most people for God, and the women act as cheerleaders saying, "Saul has killed his thousands, and David his tens of thousands." 18:6-7
David kills 200 Philistines and brings their foreskins to Saul to buy his first wife (Saul's daughter Michal). Saul had only asked for 100 foreskins, but David was feeling generous. 18:25-27
"David went out, and fought with the Philistines, and slew them with a great slaughter." 19:8
Saul kills 85 priests of Nob and all men, women, children, and animals in the city of Nob. 22:18-19
"David inquires of the Lord, saying, Shall I go and smite these Philistines? And the Lord said unto David, Go, and smite the Philistines ... So David smote them with a great slaughter." 23:2-4
David vows to kill "any that pisseth against the wall." 25:22, 34
"And it came to pass about ten days after, that the Lord smote Nabal, that he died." This was convenient for David who then stole his property and his wife, Abigail. 25:38
"And David smote the land and left neither man nor woman alive." (No wonder God liked David so much!) 27:8-11
Saul visits a woman with a "familiar spirit" and she brings Samuel back from the dead. Samuel once again explains that God is angry at Saul for not killing all of the Amelekites. He says God is going to deliver all of Israel into the hands of the Philistines. (Since Saul refused to slaughter innocent people, God will slaughter the Israelites. Fair is fair.) 28:8-19
David spends the day killing more of those pesky Amalekites. They are completely wiped out again. (See 1 Sam.15:7-8, 20 and 27:8-9 for the last two times that they were exterminated.) 30:17

2 Samuel

David tells one of his "young men" to kill the Amalekite messenger who claimed to have mercifully killed Saul at Saul's own request. 1:15
Joab and Abner watch as the young men "play" a cruel game. "And they caught every one his fellow by the head, and thrust his sword in his fellow side, so they fell down together." 2:14
When Joab (David's captain) kills Abner (by smiting him under the fifth rib of course), David says that he and his kingdom are not responsible. The blame, he says, lays with Joab. So David curses Joab, his family, and their descendants forever. Let them all be plagued with venereal diseases and leprosy, starve to death, commit suicide, or lean on staves. (The Revised Standard Version translates "leaneth on a staff" as "holds a spindle," apparently meaning effeminate -- real men don't spin or weave.) 3:27-29
Some of David's men kill Saul's son (by smiting him under the fifth rib, of course) and bring his head to David, thinking that he'll be pleased. But he wasn't. David has the assassins killed, their hands and feet chopped off, and their bodies hung up (for decorations?) over the pool in Hebron. 4:6-7
Whoever kills the lame and the blind will be David's "chief and captain." 5:8
David asks God if he should kill some more Philistines. God says yes, and he'll even help. So David and God "smote the Philistines" again. 5:19, 25
Uzzah tries to keep the ark from falling off the cart, and God kills him for it. I guess it was God's way of saying Thanks. God is so taken with this story that he records it twice in the Bible: here and in 1 Chr.13:9-10. But in the 1 Samuel story, God kills Uzzah at "Nachon's threshingfloor", while in 1 Chronicles it happens near the "threshingfloor of Chidon." 6:6-7
David kills two thirds of the Moabites and makes the rest slaves. He also cripples the captured horses. 8:2-4
David kills and tortures thousands of people, "and the Lord preserved David withersoever he went." 8:6, 14
David tells Joab (his captain) to send Bathseba's husband (Uriah) to "the forefront of the hottest battle ... that he may be smitten and die." In this way, David gets another wife. 11:15, 11:17, 11:27
To punish David for having Uriah killed, God kills Bathsheba's baby boy. 12:14-18
David saws, hacks, and burns to death all the inhabitants of several cities. Maybe this is what is meant by "the tender mercies of David" (Acts 13:34). 12:31
Absalom has his servants kill his brother for raping his sister. (This chapter, which includes incest, rape, murder, should be rated NC-17.) 13:28-29
Poor Absalom gets his head caught in an oak tree, and before he can get free, Joab thrusts three darts through his heart. 18:14
Amasa is viciously slaughtered by Joab, who "shed out his bowels to the ground ... And Amasa wallowed in blood in the midst of the highway." 20:10, 12
"And they cut off the head of Sheba ... and cast it out to Joab." 20:21-22
To appease God and end the famine that was caused by his predecessor (Saul), David agrees to have seven of Saul's sons killed and hung up "unto the Lord." 21:6-9
A famine is sent on David's kingdom for three years. When David asks God why, God answers: "It is for Saul, and his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. "So God sent a famine to punish a kingdom for something that a former king had done. 21:1
"He teacheth my hands to war." Might as well learn from an expert. 22:35
"Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies." 22:41
God offers David a choice of punishments for having conducted the census: 1) seven years of famine ( 1 Chr.21:1 says three years), 2) three months fleeing from enemies, or 3) three days of pestilence. David can't decide, so God chooses for him and sends a pestilence, killing 70,000 men (and probably around 200,000 women and children). 24:13

1 Kings

In David's last words, he commands his son Solomon to murder Joab. 2:5-9
Solomon has his brother (Adonijah) murdered. 2:24-25
Solomon carries out the deathbed instructions of his father David by having Joab murdered. 2:29-34
Solomon justifies the murder of Joab by saying that Joab also was a murderer, and that the blood of Joab's victims "shall therefore return upon the head of Joab, and upon the head of his seed for ever." 2:33
But Solomon is not done murdering yet. He has Shimei murdered -- or as Solomon put it, "The Lord shall return thy wickedness upon thine own head." 2:44, 46
When the ark of the covenant was brought into the temple, Solomon killed more animals than could be numbered. 8:5
When dedicating the temple, Solomon kills 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep. All this blood and gore must have made God very happy. 8:63
Joab (David's captain) spent six months killing every male in Edom. 11:16
King Josiah is prophesied to sacrifice the priests of the "high places" on their altars. And he does so in 2 Kg.23:20. Note that this is a guy who "did what was right in the eyes of the Lord" (2 Kg.22:2). 13:2
God withers the hand of king Jeroboam. 13:4
God promises to "bring evil upon the house of Jerobaom" and says he will "cut off" anyone "that pisseth against the wall." God further explains that after he kills them, their dead bodies will be eaten by dogs (if they are city dwellers) or fowls (if they are country folk). 14:10-12
Baasha kills "all of the house of Jeroboam" leaving none "to breath." This slaughter was done "according to the word of the Lord." 15:29
God says that "him that dieth of Baasha in the city shall the dogs eat; and him that dieth of his in the fields shall the fowls of the air eat." 16:4
Zimri kills everyone "that pisseth against a wall ... according to the word of the Lord." 16:11-12
When Hiel rebuilds Jericho, he lays the foundation with the body of his oldest son and sets up the gates with his youngest son's body "according to the word of the Lord." 16:34
Elijah orders the people to kill all prophets of Baal. 18:40
God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites hands, and 100,000 were killed in one day. Of those that escaped, 27,000 were crushed by a falling wall. (Hey it can happen.) 20:28-30
God sends a lion to devour a man for refusing to strike another man. 20:35
The prophet tells king Ahab that he, and his people, shall be punished for releasing Ben-ha'dad: "Your life shall go for his life, and your people for his people." 20:42
Naboth is stoned to death for blaspheming god and the king. 21:13
"Thus saith the Lord, in the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth shall dogs lick thy blood, even thine." 21:19
God says again that those that die in the city will be eaten by dogs, while those dying in the country will be eaten by fowls. 21:24
Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and "took" the homosexuals (sodomites) "out of the land," or as the RSV says, "he exterminated" them. 22:43, 46

2 Kings

Ahaziah was sick and sent messengers to Baalzebub to ask if he would recover. God was jealous of the attention given to his competitor and tells Ahaziah that he will die for asking the wrong god. 1:4, 17
Elijah shows that he is "a man of God" by burning 102 men to death. 1:10, 12
God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha's bald head. 2:23-24
God instructs the the Israelites, through the prophet Elisha, to implement a scorched earth policy on the Moabites. "Strike every fortified city and every choice city, and fell every good tree and stop all springs of water, and mar every good piece of land with stones." 3:19-25
In a desperate attempt to halt the slaughter of his people by the Israelites, the king of Moab sacrifices his oldest son as a burnt offering. 3:27
Elisha not only can cure leprosy, he can also dish it out. Here he makes his servant (Gehazi) and all his descendants lepers forever. 5:27
Elisha prays that God will make his adversaries blind, and God smites "them with blindness according the word of Elisha." 6:18
"So we boiled my son, and did eat him." 6:28-29
God sends a famine on the people that lasts for seven years. 8:1
God plans to have dogs eat Jezebel's body. 9:10
Jehu shoots an arrow right through poor old Jehoram's heart. 9:24
God has Jezebel thrown off a wall. Her blood is sprinkled on the wall and on the horses, by which she is trampled. Her body is eaten by dogs and all that remains of it is her hands, feet, and skull. God says that she "shall be as dung upon the face of the field." 9:33-37
All seventy of king Ahab's sons are killed, their heads put in baskets, and sent to Jezreel. He says, "Lay ye them in two heaps ..." 10:7-8
Jehu kills all that remained of king Ahab's family. 10:11
Jehu shows off his zeal for the Lord by murdering "all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria, till he had destroyed him according to the word of the Lord." 10:16-17
Jehu lied to the followers of Baal so that he could trap and kill them. 10:19
Jehu warns his guards saying, "If any of the men escape, he that letteth him go, his life shall be for the life of him." 10:24
Jehu, when he finishes his animal sacrifices, orders his men to "Go in, and slay them, let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of the sword." 10:25
Jehu captures and then murders 42 men. 10:42
When Athaliah "saw that her son was dead, she arose and destroyed all of the seed royal." 11:1
The priest has Athaliah and her followers killed. 11:15-16
Amaziah "did that which was right in the sight of the Lord" and killed ten thousand Edomites. 14:3, 7
God strikes king Azariah with leprosy "unto the day of his death" for not removing the high places. 15:5
King Menahem rips up all the pregnant women in Tizzah "because they opened not to him." Does God approve of such acts? It's impossible to tell from this passage; the mass murder is simply reported without editorial comment. 15:16
God sent lions to devour the foreigners in Samaria because "they feared not the Lord," and even worse "they knew not the manner of the God of the land." Well that'll teach them about God's manners. 17:25-26
An "angel of the Lord" kills 185,000 men while they sleep. "And when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses." I guess they all woke up and said, "Shucks, I'm dead." 19:35
Josiah, apparently with God's approval, kills "all the priests of the high places" and sacrifices them to God on their altars. Note that this is a guy who "did what was right in the eyes of the Lord" (2 Kg.22:2). 23:20
Even though Josiah did all that God asked of him, God still punished him and all Jerusalem for the acts of his grandfather. 23:26

1 Chronicles

God killed Er for being "evil in the sight of the Lord." 2:3
God kills Uzza for trying to keep the ark from falling. 13:9-10
David kills 7000 men in chariots and 40,000 footmen. 19:18
David tortures all the inhabitants of several cities "with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes." 20:3
God kills 70,000 men because David had a census. 21:7

2 Chronicles

Solomon, when dedicating the temple, killed 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep. All the blood, guts, pain, and suffering must have made God very happy. 7:5
God kills the king of Israel and helps Abijah kill 500,000 Israelites. "The children of Judah prevailed, because they relied upon the Lord God of their fathers." (That is, they had God on their side.) 13:15-20
In the largest single God-assisted massacre in the bible, Asa, with God's help, kills one million Ethiopians. 14:8-14
"God did vex them with all adversity." Consequently, "nation was destroyed of nation, and city of city." 15:6
Whoever that does not seek the God of Israel should be executed. 15:13
If you're not careful, god will kill your wives and children. Then he'll make you so sick that your bowels will fall out. He's just that type of guy. 21:14-19
Amaziah, with the help of God, kills 10,000 people; another 10,000 he left alive so that he could have them thrown off a cliff to break them in pieces. 25:11-12
Pekah kills 120,000 people in one day "because they had forsaken the Lord God of their fathers." 28:6, 8
The priests kill bullocks, rams, and lambs. The blood of the dead animals is then sprinkled on the altars. 29:22, 24
God gets angry with his people, so he sends the king of the Chaldees to kill all the "young men with the sword." He has compassion for no one, not even old men that are "stooped for age." In his tender mercy and loving kindness he has them all slaughtered. 36:16-17

Esther

Esther has two men "hanged on a tree." 2:23
Esther has another man (Haman) hung. 7:6, 10
Our heroine (queen Esther) suggests that the ten sons of Haman should also be hanged. So "they hanged Haman's ten sons. 9:13-14
The Jews kill 75,000. 9:16

Job

God (or Satan) sends a wind that kills Job's sons and daughters. 1:19

Psalms

God will hit heathens with a rod of iron and "dash them in pieces." 2:8
Christians often say that one should love the sinner but hate the sin. Perhaps, but God hates sinners and plans to destroy them. 5:5-6
God will rain fire and brimstone on "wicked" folks. 11:6
The God of peace teaches us how to kill our neighbors in war. 18:34
If God doesn't like you, he will burn you to death. 21:9-10
A sweet prayer for the destruction of one's enemies: Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them.... Let destruction come upon him at unawares." 35:6,8
If you forget God, God will tear you into pieces. 50:22
If you don't trust in God, he'll kill you and while you're dying the "righteous" will laugh at you. 52:5-7
The psalmist devoutly prays: "Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth, ... let them be cut in pieces." He says that "the righteous" will rejoice when he sees "the wicked" being dismembered by God. He'll even get a chance to "wash his feet in the blood of the wicked." Now that's entertainment! 58:6-10
The psalmist asks God to kill all "the heathen" and not show them any mercy. 59:5
God will laugh at the heathen as he kills them. 59:8
"Consume them in thy wrath, consume them ..." -- more sweet prayers to a savage god. 59:13
God will "wound the head of his enemies" so that the righteous can dip their feet in blood. And the dogs will lick the blood of God's enemies. 68:21, 23
The psalmist prays that his enemies be tormented and blinded by God. He asks God to "make their loins continually to shake." 69:22-28
The psalmist asks God to " do unto them as unto the Midianites ... which became as dung for the earth." 83:9-18
God gives the lions their meat. The cruelty and brutality of nature is all part of God's plan. 104:21
The psalmist recounts God's treatment of the Egyptians: "He smote the firstborn in their land." See Ex.12:29-30 for the gory details. 105:29-36
God is praised for the creative ways that he kills people: by drowning, earth-swallowing, and burning. 106:11-19
God will "fill the places with dead bodies." 110:6
God is praised for slaughtering kings, nations, and little babies. 135:8, 10
"To him that smote Egypt in their first born: for his mercy endures forever." 136:10
God "overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red sea: for his mercy endureth for ever." 136:15
God "smote great kings: for his mercy endureth for ever." 136:17-18
Happiness is smashing your little children against the rocks. 137:9
The psalmist excels at hating. He hates people with a "perfect hatred." 139:19-22
A prayer that God will burn people to death. 140:10
The God of Peace teaches us to kill each other in war. 144:1

Proverbs

Beating your children with a rod is a sure sign of parental love. 13:24
Beat your children and don't stop just because they cry. 19:18
How could "the blueness of a wound" or "stripes [on] the inward parts of the belly" cleanse away evil? 20:30
Beating your children will make them less foolish. Have you beaten your child today? 22:15
Beat your children hard and often. Don't worry about hurting them. You may break a few bones and cause some brain damage, but it isn't going to kill them. And even if they do die, they'll be better off. They'll thank you in heaven for beating the hell out of them. 23:13-14
Whip horses, bridle asses, and strike the backs of foolish people with rods. 26:3
Beating your children will make them wise. 29:15
Beat your servants (slaves), as though they were your children. 29:19
If you mock your father or disobey your mother, the ravens will pick out your eyeballs and the eagles will eat them. 30:17
"The wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood." 30:33

Isaiah

If you associate or gird yourself, God will break you in pieces. 8:9
God will make every man kill his brother and then force him to eat "the flesh of his own arm." 9:19-20
God will "smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall slay the wicked." 11:4
On God's day he will kill sinners with great anger, wrath, and cruelty. 13:6-9
If God can find you, he will "thrust you through," smash your children "to pieces" before your eyes, and rape your wife. He will have no mercy, but will even kill your little children. 13:15-18
God will slaughter children "for the iniquity of their fathers." 14:21
The God of Peace will set brother against brother and kingdom against kingdom. Then he'll make the survivors seed the counsel of "wizards," and subject them to a "cruel lord." 19:2
God is furious at everyone and is ready to kill them all. Or as Isaiah so delicately puts it: "Their stink shall come up out of their carcasses, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood." 34:2-3
God's sword "will be bathed in heaven." Sounds like a place to stay away from to me. 34:5
God's sword is "filled with blood," and he fully intends to use it. He'll kill so many people with it that the "land shall be soaked with blood." 34:6-8
An angel of God kills 185,000 men. "And when they [those killed by the angel?] arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead men." 37:36
God will "go forth as a mighty man" who cries and roars, and "will cry like a travailing woman." After he tires of roaring and crying he'll "destroy and devour." What a guy. 42:13
God "will do his pleasure on Babylon." That is, he will mercilessly slaughter the Babylonians. 48:14
God will make the bad guys eat "their own flesh" and then make them "drunken with their own blood." 49:26
God's clothes will get stained with the blood of humans. 63:2-6
God will "plead with all flesh" with fire and sword, "and the slain of the Lord shall be many." 66:16
The carcasses of those killed by God will be piled high. They will rot and burn forever. And although their stench will be revolting to humans, it will be a sweet savour unto the Lord. 66:24

Jeremiah

God tries to "correct" people by killing their children. 2:30
Jeremiah says that we have a choice: either cut off "the foreskins" of our hearts or be burnt to death by God. 4:4
God will bring evil to destroy cities and wipe out all of the inhabitants. 4:6-7
What was once fruitful is now barren. Birds have fled, people are gone, towns are in ruins. All "by his (God's) fierce anger." 4:25-26
God sends plagues and violence to correct people. 5:3
God will send lions and leopards to tear people into little bitty pieces. 5:6
God again talks of bringing a foreign nation to destroy his chosen ones and their lands. 5:15-17
"I am full of the fury of the Lord; I am weary of holding it in." He's anxious to "pour it out" on children, young men, husbands, wives, and old people. 6:11-12
God plans to kill pretty much everyone: Fathers and sons, family, friends, and neighbors. God plans to kill them all after laying a stumbling block before them, just to make sure. 6:21
God will send soldiers from the north that will kill everyone and have no mercy. 6:22-23
God will pour out his anger on both man and beast. Not even the trees will be spared from his wrath. And the ground itself will burn forever. 7:20
God will feed the people to the birds and the beasts, "and none shall fray them away." 7:33
God will cover the earth with dead bodies that will not be buried. "They shall be for dung upon the face of the earth." 8:2
People will choose to kill themselves, rather than be killed by their vicious God. 8:3
God will give the people bad food and water, and then kill them with a sword. 9:15-16
God will kill children and young men, and the dead bodies "shall fall as dung .... and none shall gather them." 9:21-22
"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised." I guess that'd include just about everyone -- well, all the men anyway. 9:25-26
Jeremiah prays for the destruction of the people that don't know God or call on God's name. 10:25
God "will bring evil upon" people from which they will not be able to escape. And if they cry out to him for help, he will not help them. 11:11
God forbids others from praying for his victims. Such prayers would go unanswered anyway, he says, because he "will not hear them in their time of trouble." 11:14
God will punish the people by killing their young men in war and starving their children to death. 11:22
Jeremiah asks God to drag away his enemies like "sheep for the slaughter." 12:3
God's sword will "devour" everyone until "no flesh shall have peace." 12:12
If any nation does not listen to God, he "will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation." 12:17
God plans to make everyone in the kingdom drunk and then "dash the fathers and the sons together." The merciful God of Peace vows to "not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them." What a guy. 13:13-14
God will ignore the peoples' prayers and sacrifices, promising to kill them all instead by war, starvation, and disease. 14:12
God will destroy by famine and sword those who are misled by the prophets, as well as the prophets themselves. 14:15-16
God plans to do four things to his people: 1) kill them with swords, 2) tear their flesh with dogs, 3) have the birds, and 4) the beasts eat their bodies. Why will he do these terrible things? Because of something some former king did. 15:2-4
God again threatens Jerusalem with mass destruction. Here are some of the highlights: He will kill children, make more widows than there are grains of sand, terrorize cities, and then kill the survivors. 15:7-9
God will have you enslaved and, if you make him mad enough, he will burn you to death. 15:14
God has ordained that everyone "shall die of grievous deaths," and that they shall neither "be lamented" nor even buried, but "they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth." 16:3-7
God will kill children if their parents worship other gods. 16:10-11
If you don't honor the Sabbath, God will burn you to death unquenchable fire. 17:28
God admits that he does evil things to people. 18:11
Jeremiah asks God to kill the young men in war and the children by starvation. 18:21
God will do so much evil to the people that whoever hears of it will have their ears tingle. 19:3
God will make parents eat their own children, "and they shall eat everyone the flesh of his friend." 19:7-9
After Jeremiah is roughed up and arrested on the orders of Pashur the priest, he threatens Pashur and his friends, family and all of Judah with captivity and slaughter. Because of the actions of one man. 20:4
God will break those who worship other gods as though they were made of clay, killing so many that there will not be enough room to bury them all. 19:11-13
God will fight and kill everyone "both man and beast," "with a strong arm" and a great pestilence. 21:4-6
God will deliver Zedekiah and those that survive the famine, disease, and war into Nebuchadrezzar's hand, and "he shall smite them with the edge of the sword; he shall not spare them, neither have pity, nor have mercy. 21:7
God tells the Judeans to either surrender to the Babylonians and become their slaves or die. "Behold, I am against thee." No kidding. 21:9-13
God will have Jeconiah's enemies kill him and his mother and the

I never tried to defend Judao Christianity as flawless, but you're certainly quick to slam it, "..........".

Killing time until Bin Laden or some other emissary of peace and enlightenment activates you, are we?

I wish to disagree with many on this site. First Mr. Baraka has every right to express himself in this manner. It is guaranteed by the First amendment of the Constitution and this right should be protected at all cost. I do not even remotely agree with Mr. Baraka and would dispute many of his so called historical facts in his poem. What he has done is what not many other pieces of poetry have done recently, made people read poetry. This does not mean one agrees just because you read it but we must get back to reading literature and using it to reconcile the past, present, and future. This is what poetry is for and is very powerful in this role.

Ms Brenda Joyce !!

You hit the nail right on the head. It's not art, it's not poetry, it's not even worth reading. Were he not a state-level "poet laureate" no one would even care what he wrote. Were this not the USA he'd have to earn his daily bread with manual labor because he certainly wouldn't be able to succeed writing poetry. He's a scam artist, and he's not worth our time. He'll get no serious consideration from me in the future.

Ms Brenda Joyce !!

You hit the nail right on the head. It's not art, it's not poetry, it's not even worth reading. Were he not a state-level "poet laureate" no one would even care what he wrote. Were this not the USA he'd have to earn his daily bread with manual labor because he certainly wouldn't be able to succeed writing poetry. He's a scam artist, and he's not worth our time. He'll get no serious consideration from me in the future.

you can stop his words, but you cannot stop his poetical diatribe--it already happened--it is called history!

Hit square on the head .....the nail!

Hit square on the head .....the nail!

Hit square on the head .....the nail!

I have been raised around a assortment of ppls and cultures. Christians, Buddists, Jews, Muslims, and all sorts of cults(just look at seatle). And I've lived in a lot of places Between Anchorage, AK and Keywest, Fl.
And Jews working with Muslims isnt such a far feched idea, they did it to get rid of the british before becoming an independant state. And the United States worked with one Autocratic Dictatorship to get rid of another one during WWII, can you guess witch was witch. But that doesnt mean that they worked together on 9/11.
Baraka says every major government in the world new something was going to happen around that time, maybe that date spacifically, who knows. But if this is the case you also have to look at national policy(wait and see) reguarding matters like these. Our government doesnt like to waiste "precious" resourses untill they have no choice but to. For an example of this just look at a project the airforce had invested 4 billion dollors into and then inexplicably decided to shut it down, go figure..
But what I'm getting at is the fact that the government knew it was going to happen and chose to disreguard it, placing it into a catagory " Terror attacks that will never happen" but wait a minute this one did, oh shit cover it up. Our government has the capability to record every consersation in the world that happens on the Phones, and on the internet, and they do and have been doing it for the past 20 years. They should have stopped it at the border or at the source, because they had the ability to do so. But they didnt

Before you start defending the Israelis and claim that they are God's chosen people who cannot do evil, educate yourself. Here is a tip for you, read "Profits of War" ISBN 1-879823-01-2. It was written by Ari Ben-Menashe -a Mussad Agent Himself- who exposes the evil-doing of the zionists all-over the world.

I think that everything in this poem is so very true, so why not let him be heard. I want to be free as the United States claim us to be.

I think that everything in this poem is so very true, so why not let him be heard. I want to be free as the United States claim us to be.

I think that everything in this poem is so very true, so why not let him be heard. I want to be free as the United States claim us to be.

I think I will read the Book thanks for the title.

How can anyone live with so much hatred? Can anyone really believe his racist rants? What a wacko, and if you belive him I will pray for God to ease the hatred in your soul as well, for it will surely consume you....

The idiot who wrote this poem is a perfect example of what is wrong with the black community.

It really was Israelis that Baraka was referring to, not Jews. I had mistakenly thought he was being cute by saying Israelis for Jews. And as I stated, he certainly had earlier in the poem made sympathetic references to Jews as also being a victim of "Who," which made me surprised as to him supposedly going anti-Jewish in the poem.
But I was wrong.
The thread tells of something going around, which may very well be true, that shortly before the attack two Israeli outfits abruptly pulled out of the WTC, indicating possible foreknowledge. I could easily believe this. It could also have been coincidence, which does happen, but I would more easily believe it was no coincidence. Israeli intelligence is a motherfucker, as vicious as they come. [And let us not forget the report that at the end of July John Ashcroft was suddenly warned to stop flying on commercial aircraft, ahem.]
Unlike the rumor which then sprung from this, that 4,000 *Jews* had individually been informed of the attack, and that they unanimously stayed home from work that day and kept their plotting-ass mouths shut, the earlier rumor was not as nasty, or unbelievable. The earlier rumor--should I say earlier version?--could have involved the foreknowledge of a relative handful of Israeli intelligence operatives and government types, who got the management of the two Israeli outfits to move. This would be more believable, and doesn't dredge up centuries-old crappola about InternationalZionistConspiracy, etc., in the sense that all Jews are supposedly engaged in unimaginably horrible deeds, conspiracies, etc.
Urban legends. This is how they grow. Israeli morphs into Jewish, fed by an apparent wild report by an Israeli diplomat, as I remember from the thread, of 4,000 "missing" Israelis. If this man did indeed say this it could have happened from him not knowing the offices had just been moved. And, typically, the 4,000 figure could have grown from a true figure of 400, say.
And in my turn I was ripe to believe Baraka suddenly did an about-face to turn on Jewish people in the poem from previous writings of Baraka I had read that had indeed come off as anti-Jewish.
But people change, and grow, so I should just look at this poem, and in it he is repeatedly sympathetic to Jewish people as also being victims of Who, which we could call imperialism/capitalism/white racism, etc., anything but something so sloppy as the old catch-all: The White Man.
In any event, Baraka doesn't come into the picture until late in the game, when he hears the report about 4,000 Israelis "missing that day" and throws it into the poem, willy-nilly.
The report or rumor going around used the number 4,000 as the number of Israelis who the Israeli consulate said were missing that day. This may have referred to the Israelis supposedly employed at those two companies--though the number is absurdly high. But in any event, that rumor or wild, exaggerated report was going around, and was not of Baraka's invention.
Ditto a line or two I had glossed over about 5 Israelis filming the event. The thread tells of a current rumor/report about just that, so again Baraka is just repeating a commonly held belief. Defenders would by now correctly say that a poem is not a legal document, and rumors are fair game, as are the wild thoughts the subconscience may burp up. In any event, true or not, I wouldn't protest charges made against the Israeli government, which we know to be doing so many horrible things in Palestine. Since I now know Baraka to have been honestly referring indeed to Israel and not Jews, I gotta take back my earlier protestations. Indeed I owe him some sort of apology, don't I?

As I read this poem for the first time, it did not shock me that the emphasis has been put on anti-semitism, as opposed to what the poem actually is saying. I must say I don't see the Anti-Semetic thread running thru this piece as many have led me to believe. What I did notice, though, is how no one mentions the factual historical data written that speaks to the absolute truth about America's, not so squeaky clean, past atrocities against it's own. It never ceases to amaze me how white America simply will not own up to their ugly past treatment of those who are as american as they are. Our country, of which I am a bonifide citizen born & raised, sweeps it's dark horrendous history of inhumanity to it's own under the red white & blue, while playing world police to everyone else.

My 98 year old Grandmother had a saying..... 'Before you walk a mile in some else's shoes.... you must first take off your own'. This is my advice to my country. Let's sweep around our own front door before we try to clean up the world's house. We have plenty enough dirt of our own to get from under the rugs of the past & the present. We consistently say the world is morally bankrupt. What about us? Are we really in a position to play moral police around the world?

I would like for some of the dialog to be about the rest of this poem that was so artfully penned. But then... maybe we can't call our own baby ugly. I guess it is easier to talk about someone else's child. There are so many ugly truths about america in this piece that are going unmentioned because we are too busy trying to put the rest of the world's shoes on our not so bear feet.

Are we brave enough to deal with our own ugly truths america..... or are we gonna miss another opportunity to dialog about our own unresolved issues.... ?

What's so sad to me is.... I already know the answer. I already know how even what I have taken the time to write here will just be cast aside as complaining about nothing. I ask the same question as Mr. Baraka...... Who? ...... America..... Who among us is brave enough to admit that this land of the free.... ain't so very free for many of it's own?

I'm saddened now that I have read it for myself and I am ashamed of our indifference for what our own citizens endure. Thanx for allowing me to think out loud!

John Jacobs

Why be angry over something considered false, why be angry over the rantings of a madman, why be angry? Dig deep for the reason, look at each statement and consider it.
It is not a black thing it is a human thing.
The guilty fear the truth.
Wake up America, wake up World.

Why be angry over something considered false, why be angry over the rantings of a madman, why be angry? Dig deep for the reason, look at each statement and consider it.
It is not a black thing it is a human thing.
The guilty fear the truth.
Wake up America, wake up World.

This is a great Poem.

with the same accusation about a "conspiracy" by Africans or Arabs would have generated a collective wail among those communities. The fact that it hasn't shows that they don't care about scapegaoting as long as they are on the giving, not receiving end. How pathetic!

I see the poem
in New light after reading your commentary

I see the poem
in New light after reading your commentary

The poem is a brilliant work of art which evokes an emotional response from those of us who truly mourn for the America which was portrayed during our public education. It is a fictional America in which all are provided equal opportunity under the law and which espouses peace and human rights. As an attorney with three decades in practice I can attest to the cynical hypocrisy which exists in our government which is controlled by the wealthy and political elites who have no interest in anything but power and money. If the innocent and powerless in the world must be incinerated or suffer, so be it. The old white men with their depleted testosterone must control the world. What is inaccurate about the message of this poem? I have yet to find one factual response on the internet which refutes the message. The Zionists, a notably rascist organization which is anathema to the principles of this nation, claim the poem is defamation. I vow no allegiance to Israel, Rome, Mecca or any of the other linchpins of mindcontrol which intermittently inflame the world with conflict. The truth will set us all free, but most certainly it will not occur during the administration of little Bush. I mourn for America. This poem could serve as our epitaph. Who the poet. Amiri Baraka. Thank you.

Should he be removed because he wrote the poem, or because he dared to share the poem during the Dodge Festival? We scream about America and the freedom of speech, yet when someone says something about Jewish people they are condemned, stoned sybolically and otherwise. When someone says something about African Americans we are made to feel as if we are still the animals that the Europeans believed/and still believe we are and so we are never vindicated. If Baraka should be punished because he failed to understand or honor the role of being a poet laureate and representing the state of New Jersey, then why did they make him one anyway? Do you believe that poets like Baraka or Giovanni or those who were in the trenches during the 60's have become mellow, soft, subime? It is New Jersey's fault for thinking that by making Baraka a poet laureate if would silence him. His poetry is currently now all that good and the fact that he wrote the poem is what poets have done since the beginning of time. If he is too be impeached or whatever because he shared the poem as his official role as poet laureate than so be it, but leave him the hell alone. We wave the flag shouting freedom of speech, we are sending men and women over to fight a war because of freedom of speech and then we want to crucify a poet that has been long knowned to write his thoughts no matter the consequences. It is why the 60's were fought by the poets. Now the poets have become a source of filler like Maya Angelou and poets are all paying the price. We think and write outside the society it is why we are deemed poets.

This guy is a rascist nut!

While I believe his right to free speech should be protected, anyone who sees anything truly intelligent or redeemable in his "poetry" is ignorant, has been bamboozled, or is probably considering going Nutlamic (meaning those Muslims and domestic psuedo Muslims who believe worshipping Allah magically entitles them to commit murder).

America is NOT "the great Satan", folks (so please do your homework, stop listening to propaganda on all sides, and think for yourself): <i>Uncle Sam</i> doesn't advocate murder-suicide bombings, detonating dirty bombs, and other cowardly acts against civilians. That sort of depraved behavior is Satanic, by definition.

While I believe his right to free speech should be protected, anyone who sees anything truly intelligent or redeemable in his "poetry" is ignorant, has been bamboozled, or is probably considering going Nutlamic (meaning those Muslims and domestic psuedo Muslims who believe worshipping Allah magically entitles them to commit murder).

America is NOT "the great Satan", folks (so please do your homework, stop listening to propaganda on all sides, and think for yourself): <i>Uncle Sam</i> doesn't advocate murder-suicide bombings, detonating dirty bombs, and other cowardly acts against civilians. That sort of depraved behavior is Satanic, by definition.

While I believe his right to free speech should be protected, anyone who sees anything truly intelligent or redeemable in his "poetry" is ignorant, has been bamboozled, or is probably considering going Nutlamic (meaning those Muslims and domestic psuedo Muslims who believe worshipping Allah magically entitles them to commit murder).

America is NOT "the great Satan", folks (so please stop listening to propaganda on all sides and think for yourself): <i>Uncle Sam</i> doesn't advocate murder-suicide bombings, detonating dirty bombs, and other cowardly acts against civilians. That sort of depraved behavior is Satanic, by definition.

The rest of the world has already dismissed Amiri Baraka as a racist nut and he's still a point of discussion here. That's what needs to be told.

>The rest of the world has already dismissed Amiri Baraka

That's an unsubstantiated allegation. Where is your evidence?


>as a racist nut

An ad hominem is not a rebuttal.

This is not a rebuttal. (I'll get to the meaning of this later.)

When’s the last time you’ve read an article or seen a show having to do with Amiri Baraka’s poem in main stream America? My point exactly. It’s been months. He’s history. Except here.

An ad hominem is not a rebuttal. Boy, you’re a fast one. You figured that out so quickly. Of course, it wasn’t written as a rubuttal in the first place. A lot of what I write is not written as a rebuttal. I only write rebuttals when they are warranted. This one wasn’t warranted.

I’ll help you out. Maybe others will join in to assist you seeing that you’ve had trouble with this before. From now on, if I write a rebuttal, I’ll say “This is a rebuttal”, and then keep writing. That means if I don’t say “This is a rebuttal,” then it’s not a rebuttal. The "This is not a rebuttal" thing at the top, I won't be doing that again. Just the "This is a rebuttal" if in fact I'm writing a rebuttal. Think you can remember that?

When’s the last time you’ve read an article or seen a show having to do with Amiri Baraka’s poem in main stream America? My point exactly. It’s been months. He’s history. Except here.

When was the last time you’ve seen a show memorializing a Palestinian victim of Israeli terror?
It’s been months. He’s history. Except here,

>main stream America? My point exactly.

What are you saying here, that you can’t tell mainstream media from the world?


>A lot of what I write is not written as a rebuttal.

What are you saying here, that you only talk because you’re in love with the sound of your own voice?

>What are you saying here, ...

That's another thing while I'm at it. If you don't understand or have a question about a comment I make, don't expect an answer if you say "What are you saying here,...", and then go on with a guess of some sort. If you say "I don't know what you mean by this, please tell me", then I'll answer. But don't guess at what I'm saying and then expect a response. Want an answer or explanation? Ask. Politely.

Other than that, just remember that the "This is a rebuttal" foreword will precede any rebuttal, otherwise it's not a rebuttal. I believe that's simple enough for even you. Time will tell.

Oh, and I suppose Cuba, Iraq, et cetera are squeaky clean, right? No innocent blood ever shed THERE, right?

What about Nutlamic countries that barbarically stone women to death for adultery?

You can cry about the past all you like: Murder is still murder, particularly wanton cowardly acts against civillians on the scale of 9-11. THERE IS NO justification, regardless of the cause or how self righteous the followers are feeling. Such things serve only Satan, period.

Even the bombing of marine barracks in the 80's was at least committed against military personnel. Turd Laden loves to try to spin the U.S. as cowards, but he and his ilk the cowardly bastards that murdered women and children along with (mostly civillian) men in the twin towers.

Those are evasions. Answer the questions.

Is that before 9-11, despite what the paranoid shite and shariah propaganda poisoning young minds in the Middle East and Africa would have them think, Americans gave Mulsims and Arabs very little thought for the most part, period. We never had any desire for a "Crusade". We only wanted to be able to live our lives in peace when YOU went out of your way to attack us. Turd Ladin wants to paint all this as some kind of global campaign against Muslims, but that's a delusion of grandeur on Muslims' parts: We don't want to eradicate your religion or way of life. We just want you to mind your own damned business and stop murdering our civillians. YOU'RE the aggressors here, and from this point on, if there is a Crusade against you, it'll be because you've brought it upon yourselves. You might want to rethink this whole mandate-from-Allah thing. The voices telling you to commit murder and suicide have more horns and hooves than they'll show you before you're en route to commit whatever atrocity your delusions tell you you'll be forgiven for.

This poem relects what lies hidden within the depths of a black man's heart.. You who have never walked in his shoes ... absorb it ... let it in-muse upon it before you swiftly criticize it with a bent mind.

This poem relects what lies hidden within the depths of a black man's heart.. You who have never walked in his shoes ... absorb it ... let it in-muse upon it before you swiftly criticize it with a bent mind.

Street, you insult every black American by saying that his/her heart is filled with similar treasonous, self-righteous, delusional crap. Please speak for yourself.

The poem is amateurish. The poet hides behind a smoke screen of sensationalism in attempt to camouflage his lack of talent.

String him up by the very string that would bind one of his books. Not because he's black, not because he's treason-minded and (anti Caucasian/Jew) hate-polluted, not even because he's a waste of the fees awarded to bearers of the NJ PL's office - do it because he's a soulless artistic fraud.

Barakas poem was only honest. there was no racism or prejudice in the poem. get over it.

I understand that some things this poet said was racist, and i am a believer of God, therefore, I do not hold the Jews responsible, nor anyone else for the terrorist act on September 11. Yet, I truely believe this man was BOLD and CORAGOUS for expressing his thoughts in this way. Everyone in America has the right to freedom of speech and press. This man stated his opinion and he had the RIGHT TO. People may disagree with what he says, but that is why it is his opinion and not fact. We can NOT deny this man the right to speak his own OPINION. The government should not be allowed to remove him from his position and they need to remeber that this man is an American CITIZEN, whereby, his CONSTITUIONAL RIGHTS come first and foremost. I do feel sorry for those who were affended by his words. Just remember when YOU have something to say will YOU want to be heard!
Thank You,
taz

This is what we know:

Two companies from Israel evacuated the area the israeli casualty list would have been much larger if did NOT evacuate the premises.

One of the company 'Odigo' left behind the building some two hours before the first attack and the other company 'ZIM' moved its headquarters from N>Y> to virginia- weeks before...

The owner of the building is an Israeli national who purchased the building with 'insurance against potential terrorism' thus not losing a single red cent in the process.

HIS INSURANCE COMPANY SMELLED A RAT AND IS REFUSING TO PAY UP!

The architect of the building is an Israeli citizen who would have intimate knowledge as to where the bombs should be placed to get such a 'symmetrikal' controlled demolition!

(notice, the buildings did not waver back and forth but fell in a symmetrical way befitting a controlled demolition)

The fact that dozens of Israelis work in that area on a daily basis yet were suspiciously absent that fateful morning is Evidence of advanced knowledge and complicity in the CRIME!
The company responsible for airplane security on nine eleven was - you guessed it- an Israeli one.

The Israeli Prime Minister cancelled his trip to NY ON THE LAST MOMENT PRIOR To 9/11!

Shall I continue... or is the above enough to establish circumstantial evidence and prior motive in the hanging the zionazi entity?

while researching baraka for a summer project for high school i formed many opinions. baraka brings ot our eyes a new mordern day form of racism, one using race to make yourself seem the oppressed and the ones to be pitied, while attacking others by using racist language and symbolism. i am shocked at the things that are protrayed in the poem "somebody blew up america" and i cannot understand how, when or country was falling apart, yet coming together anyone could even write a tihng like this, trying to segreagate and stereotype americans.

I was wrong as two right feet. I now know that it is indeed true that an *Israeli* operation of some kind--I believe it was the Zinn shipping line--had pulled out of the World Trade Center shortly before 9/11. This gave rise to thoughts of preknowledge, etc. This is fair game (after all it is fact that John Ashcroft was warned in July, 2001 that he should stop flying commercial airliners, as something was imminent! Square business, and check it out).
I knew it was a great poem and read it on the air, on my radio show, then paused at the two lines in question. It was a last minute "rip n read" operation, and I hadn't carefully gone over the poem first. I stammered some sort of exception to the lines referring to the Israelis, then continued my reading. Later I wrote my take on the poem here.
Where I erred, to put it mildly, was in assuming that Baraka secretly meant Jews when he said "Israeli" in the poem. I made this jump because by the time the Israeli pullout news reached the West Coast it had transmogrified, in classic urban legend style, to "The Jews knew!" and so forth, which was indeed a terrible slur. But it didn't come from Amiri Baraka, and he did not spread such mess. I should have known he was clean in this regard from his sympathetic references in the poem (which I acknowledged) to how Jews had been victimized throughout history. Thirty some years ago he came off as rather "anti," but the man has grown since then. It was me who wanted to lock him into what he no longer was, I now see. There is nothing worse than making false accusations, especially in such a sensitive area, and I owe the man an apology. If there were some way to remove my earlier posting, which directly followed his great poem, I would like to do that, as it unjustly characterizes the author's intent. This is an epic poem, and should be celebrated.

To the author, if this is your way of venting then I fully support you. I am a 19 y/o college student and an aspiring poet. Many students are now using poetry to express their feelings of; anger, joy, disgust, etc. I personally feel that it is more productive than killing, stealing, and hating. We have open-mic forums monthly and I DO believe it helps! I enjoyed this piece of art. We all have different views.....and I h ave just been enlightened to yet another.