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UCB: "Not in Our Name", 9/11 Moment of Silence

by Jeff Paterson (jeff [at] paterson.net)
Thousands of students gathered at noon today at UC Berkeley for a moment of silence. Many students proclaimed "Our Grief is Not a Cry for War".
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by John
This article is OK, but timing is misplaced. We have not yet seen one article in this publication that does not try to take some political advantage of the suffering of the families of the many who lost their lives on this day one year ago. Are we so uncaring and callus that we can't take a 24-hour time out to reflect upon what happened one year ago today?

No, many activist like their counterparts who exploit opportunities commercially on the backs of the suffering of mankind will not give an inch to compassion. We cannot take time on this day to honor those who died that did not wish to do so or those that gave their lives to save others.

You are as incompassionate and uncaring as those that you accuse.
by Ronnie R
Afganistan has been liberated from the Taliban in my name.
Lets Roll...
by Ronnie R
Afganistan has been liberated from the Taliban in my name.
Lets Roll...
by ......


War Geek
by bov
WAKE UP!!

If you lost someone, then fine, mourn, but don't try to tell others what they can and can't do.

Bush did it.
by bov is traitorous slime
Are you on America's side or not? if not, then you are a traitor and nothing else. You deserve none of our freddoms here. Choose a side. If it's not ours, then get the fuck on a boat and crawl up a muslim's ass, you cretinous slimeball.
by ...
Using this to drum up feelings of anger and hatred to justify the coming war with Iraq is wrong.

The first war with Iraq that destroyed that country and unconditional support for Israel are the sorts of things that made us targets for terrorist attacks in the first place. We were not targetted first. We targetted them first. You reap what you sow.
by ...
Also, if this is a democracy, than citizens have a right to speak their mind and force their government to behave as we want it to behave -- not the other way around (the government doing whatever it wants and expecting us to go along with it.)

It's not love it or leave it. It's love it or change it. THAT'S DEMOCRACY!
by your name here
You fags don't want to change anything. All you want is to give aid to the killers. It's gone far beyond the usual workaday puke of the crybabys. It's become serious business.

Why in the hell didn't those fuckers drive planes into Kalifornia places? Where all the sickies live? You, for instance. Why does SHIT like you still live and breathe our air?

Do you really know just how hated you shits really are? The war isn't going to be just between us and them. It's going to be between you and me. We're going to end up having to kill you pieces of shit because you keep backing our enemies. Sometimes I think death is what you really want, though.
by ...
What do you not understand about the principal of reciprocity?

If you don't want to be killed, don't go around killing.

And if you support killing people in the Middle East for "US interests" (which are beginning to look very much like another country's interests), then don't whine about it when it comes right back at us.
by hooper



war geek

by my name here
What don't YOU understand about it? YOU collaborators are pushing this country towards civil war. As i said it's not the usual fun and games from the spoiled little Marin county poopheads. serious shit is going down. If you help the enemy and put me in harms way then I WILL fucking kill you. It's you or me, and personally the world can do without another useless whiner who does nothing but complain all day every day in a place that hasn't rounded him up like he would be elsewhere.
-- "If you help the enemy and put me in harms way then..."

It's people like you who are endangering us all. You just want to let our government run amok and do whatever it wants to anyone anywhere. That's neither
going to make us liked or safer. Taking back our country and making the government act with our morals and sense of justice will make us safer. This is called democracy.

You're the one putting us all in harms way...
BITCH.
by fred freeman
The "root causes" of terrorism is dictatorship. The 9/11 hijackers were spoiled rich Saudi boys (much like protesters in above picture). The Saudi government is incredibly anti-freedom, in Saudi Arabia there are no discos or movie theatres, no drinking, no pot smoking, and NO PRE-MARITAL SEX! Talk about making you want to blow things up.

Saudi Arabia, like Iraq, is run by a rich dictator that uses secret police and military force to keep the people "in line."

If war is not the answer to freeing Iraqies from their dictator, what is?

Moreover, how do we help the imprisoned people of Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Jordan? (or Palestine, maybe time for "regieme change" in Israel as well...)
by my name here
Doing what is right will make us safe--and has the added advantage of being good

You people are the ones who are forcing depravity on us, and you want to convince me youll do good for this country? And how can you help us when the other side of your neck is selling us out? You people are nuts. Queers, Jesse Jackson, McKinney, Daddys GONE hehehe by the way, election stealing, quotas, Farakahn, ecoterrorists, political correctness, crooked judges, zero tolerance, gun control, trying to take my hard earned money and giving it to a useless dope freak, OJ Simpson-I haven't scratched the surface on why we're going to have to go to war with you useless fuckers. All we have to show for liberalism is Sodom and Gomorrah. Why we've tolerated you shits for so long I don't know. It's time we got our heads out of our asses. You either choose America or fucking die with your muslim friends.
by matthew
i'm so glad i went to the bush did it demo instead.
by ...
So what's your solution. Kill them all before they can hurt us?

It's pretty simple really. Stop killing them and supporting their main enemy (that is join the international consensus on Israel) and we won't have to worry about terrorism. Killing more of "them" in wars is not going to make us safer. Sorry.

And trying to kill all of "them" will not only NOT make us safer, it will make us Nazis and even more targetted.
by my name here
You're fucking Nazi's anyway. Look at all you try to force down the necks of decent people. You try to demonize Christians and embrace Islam. You push the queers in the schools, and extort repearations from the actions of people long dead, and threaten lawsuits and "hate crime" ideaology on those who don't conform. You cry racist" every other goddam breath and bash jews alternate breaths. The Left is the biggest bunch of Nazi losers since 1945. The left is made up of nutcases, the absolute dregs of society.

It's time to go to war. I've had enough of you useless piles of shit. I've had enough of your constant petty demands, and I've had enough of you queers. You don't likeit? Tough shit, traitor.
by dk
if you love war so much, join the army and go fight, chickenhawk.
by soul786
If you love America so much maybe you should read some of the fine documents drafted up by the founding forefathers of this great nation which entail the ideals upon which this beacon of freedom was created. Everyone of you people talking about collaborators and war against protestors is in direct and clear-cut defiance of these very critical documents which embrace the American ideal. To be American and patriotic is to believe in these American ideals whole heartedly and to do your duty as a citizen to uphold them.

You are failing horribly John Q. Public, you who won't even post under a consistant name on this board, and it is you, despite your 'ultra-american' views and banter that is the true threat to the legacy of this nation.

And my Jewish friend who screams of anti-semitism so eagerly, I urge you for your own benefit to not devaluate the meaning of that word by using it so generously or to be prepared for an increasingly insignificant response to it the more it becomes your adjective of choice.

by Terry Malloy
First, nazis are not or never were liberal. Nazi political ideology comes from the extreme right-wing. The odvious right-wing hate you expouse is closer to nazism than what the liberals preach.
by Terry Malloy
First, nazis are not or never were liberal. Nazi political ideology comes from the extreme right-wing. The odvious right-wing hate you expouse is closer to nazism than what the liberals preach.
by vvawai - Seattle (TheVets [at] vvawail.org)
Great photos JP.

Where can we get those great Black t-shirts???
by internationalist
While many of those who died in the Sept. 11 attack on the twin towers of international capital were innocent of the crimes of imperialism, and a few were probably positively good people whose loss social fighters should mourn, I see no reason to grieve more for those 3,000 people than for the approxiamately 3,000 killed in a randomly selected 10-day period by the U.S. embargo against Iraq. And we should certainly grieve a hell of a lot more for the estimated 16,000 to 30,000 people, including many revolutionary comrades, killed by the U.S.-organized coup in Chile exactly 28 years before the fall of the towers. Likewise for the tens of thousands of Argentinians and Central Americans killed by U.S.-financed death-squad governments.

I could go on for hours cataloging all those killed by U.S. Imperialism. During the two hours that the event at U.C. lasted, probably 3,000 children around the world died of malnutrition and easily preventable or curable diseases. Most of these children would not have died but for U.S.-imposed austerity policies which cajole the govenments of those countries into sending wealth out to the U.S. and other imperialist countries rather than using them for clean water, health care, etc.

Our Grief over these ongoing murders should, indeed, be a Call for War -- World War against capitalism, imperialism, and the U.S. ruling class!

by Gonna git ya
Hey you facsist puke who said it like it is: It's commin down to you and me. Yep. It sure is. It's too bad that the facsists will have to be dealt with before there can be a real change in our government. The time is comming, and we'll meet in the streets. I'm ready, and waiting. When I see your skinhead little shit face pop up out of the bushes, you'll love the present I have waiting for you. You think just because we love peace that we wont fight for it and demand it? This aint the first intifada, bitch. You're in for a ride you'll never forget. You've got nothing but your guns and your hate. We have the power of the people, and when we move, you better pack your shit and move to Israel because there ain't gonna be room for your bullshit after the revolution. This ain't gonna be no foo-foo lets all love each other movement like what stopped vietnam. This is the second american intifada. You remember what happened in Palestine in the second intifada? Yeah... I bet you do. We ain't gonna accept the bullshit after we have the power to change it again. Its time for real change. The kind of change that you can't undo in 35 years. The kind of change that can change the world.

Signed,
some punk who tells it like it is
by Cleve, also an American
I read with disgust and amusement the stunning display of ignorance of the person who had the ironic sense of humor to sign his rant "an American". Spoken like a true corporate tool. "You're either with us or against us!", is that it? No in between. Kill or be killed. What a simple existence this person must lead. Extremely simple. What a perfect example of the 'ugly American'.
Here is a bit of TRUTH for this person. We are ALL Americans, regardless of our anti or pro war views.
It is this kind of ultra-patriotic jingoism that makes us all targets. The 'eye for an eye' philosophy is the same downward spiral that Isreal and Paletine are on. People who call for peace in this time have far more raw COURAGE than the blood thirtsy loser who wraps himself in the flag so that he kill for his 'colors', like some corporate gang banger.
I also found it especially amusing to read his comment about a tolerant democracy. I assume that tolerance is only extended when we agree to HIS views.
If nothing else, this guy is great example of the type of thinking that will get more people slaughtered. Too bad it won't be his blood.
by Cleve
'Your name here' doesn't have the heuvos (or the imagination) to take a name. But since he was so good at finding all the great buzz words and stereo-types for liberals, lets try a few on him: Bigot, racist, homophobe, Rush Limbaugh, child molesteing priest, Enron, deforestation, species extinction, global warming, ozone depletion, SUV gas guzzling, blood for oil, lynching, deregulation, media control, Katherine Harris, corporate right over human rights...
You get the picture.
The pity is that while we, the scum sucking liberals FIGHT for FREEDOM here at home, we are also fighting for this assholes privelege to BE an asshole. How ironic. But at least something usefull comes out of an ass. The same is not true of this sad little person....
by Cleve
'Your name here' doesn't have the heuvos (or the imagination) to take a name. But since he was so good at finding all the great buzz words and stereo-types for liberals, lets try a few on him: Bigot, racist, homophobe, Rush Limbaugh, child molesteing priest, Enron, deforestation, species extinction, global warming, ozone depletion, SUV gas guzzling, blood for oil, lynching, deregulation, media control, Katherine Harris, corporate right over human rights...
You get the picture.
The pity is that while we, the scum sucking liberals FIGHT for FREEDOM here at home, we are also fighting for this assholes privelege to BE an asshole. How ironic. But at least something usefull comes out of an ass. The same is not true of this sad little person....
by ........
"Bush did it"? "It's all about oil"? Do you people actually think that anyone takes you seriously? With foolish comments like those, it is immediately obvious that nobody will ever take you seriously.
by my name here
You're the skinhead. Or it's ally. The Nazi's and the Left is in bed together, Jew bashing, calling for death to israel. You fool nobody. If you're not a skinhead, then you're a smelly lice infested worm.

Yeah, the liberals around here are a dream come true for the skinheads. Blood brothers. Rise up, bad boy. I'm SO scared. Ya want a little intifada? GREAT! It's long overdue to rid the planet of traitors and girlymen freaks.

You perverts couldn't fight your way out of a colostomy bag. Not that you'd want to.
Only the smart ones.
by duhhhhhh
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Duhh, lookey here, I'm a patriot and I kill for America - kill all who are not me! Kill anyone who looks different from me and who bushdaddy sez I should kill!
by Thess
"It's pretty simple really. Stop killing them and supporting their main enemy"

And leftist-elites call right-wingers simple?

Their dicators kill them and neighboring Islamic nations kill them, but the US has not killed a single arab in the ME between the Gulf War (which was a war, as you remember, to stop Saddam from genociding the Shiites and absorbing a sovereign nation into Iraq) and the war in Afghanistan. We have power hungry terrorist leaders who figured out the best way controll the masses is to prop up an enemy (the US and Israel) to redirect the hatred.

Now I know you guys think should the Jews assimilate back into all the civilizations that kicked them out, but according to multicultural logic, the Jews deserve a country as much as the next ethnicly seperate group. It doesn't matter that they have tried to give Palestinians (read: ex-Syrains and Jordanians) a state in a fashion that wouldn't assure self-destruction. It doesn't matter that every arab nation has refused refuge to the palestinian refugees. It doesn't matter that the arab countrys which formely controlled the land on which Israel now sits never offered the palestinians their own state.

All that matters is that they are J-E-W-S, they are armed, and they have kicked the Arab militaries collective asses twice. These terrorist nations don't give a flying fig about the palestinians--if they did they wouldn't keep them in refugee camps for 50 years-- they just hate having jews in the middle-east.

Geez, if the US sends foriegn aid to nations, it is supporting the evil regime, but if it imposes sanctions it is starving its citizens. The sooner you guys figure out that tin-pot dictators and religious zealots bent on power are the problem, and not the shining beacon of freedom and liberty known as the US, the better.
by Zionists defined:
>religious zealots bent on power
by Thess
Erm, ok. A democratic nations, that includes several ethnic groups, and wishes to control land the size of New Jersey. The Zionists control enough firepower and nuclear weapons to toast every middle-eastern country, and yet show restraint? Somehow I doubt that if OBL had that kind of support he would have used 747s to fulfill his mission.

Could it be these zionists have a conscience? Want to live in peace with it's neighbors? They've given back the Sinai Penisula even though it could have kept it if they WANTED it, and they could go in with tanks and bulldoze Gaza if they WANTED to. Yet they didn't want either, which makes you wonder what their motives are, doens't it?
by bumkusfiveal
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Approach dumb rich ignorant student talking about "peace" and saying there should be, "no retaliation."

2) Engage in brief conversation, ask if military force is appropriate.

3) When he says "No," ask, "Why not?"

4) Wait until he says something to the effect of, "Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not cause more violence."

5) When he's in mid sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can.

6) When he gets back up to up to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would, "be awful and he should not cause more violence."

7) Wait until he agrees that he has pledged not to commit additional violence.

8) Punch him in the face again, harder this time.

Repeat steps 5 through 8 until they understand that sometimes it is necessary to hit back. Because if we don't, this is what the world will look like if the Taliban wins --

See Dick bitch. See Dick run. Don't be a Dickhead!

this is a comment that was written by another but it says it like it is. and you want to volunteer for the experiment let me know!!!!!!!!!! fuck the bay area
by bumkusfiveal
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Approach dumb rich ignorant student talking about "peace" and saying there should be, "no retaliation."

2) Engage in brief conversation, ask if military force is appropriate.

3) When he says "No," ask, "Why not?"

4) Wait until he says something to the effect of, "Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not cause more violence."

5) When he's in mid sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can.

6) When he gets back up to up to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would, "be awful and he should not cause more violence."

7) Wait until he agrees that he has pledged not to commit additional violence.

8) Punch him in the face again, harder this time.

Repeat steps 5 through 8 until they understand that sometimes it is necessary to hit back. Because if we don't, this is what the world will look like if the Taliban wins --

See Dick bitch. See Dick run. Don't be a Dickhead!

this is a comment that was written by another but it says it like it is. and you want to volunteer for the experiment let me know!!!!!!!!!! fuck the bay area
by j.r
berkeley stick your head in the sand like the cowards u are and let us men take care of bussiness
by j.r
berkeley stick your head in the sand like the cowards u are and let us men take care of bussiness
by Ramzi Bin-sala-bin
You know, there were people JUST LIKE many of the people here who were the Northern states before and during the Civil War.

They were opposed to fighting against the South. There were draft riots in New York. Remember? The south had done Northerners no harm. Who cared about slaves? Very, very few. Why do you think there were so many attempts at compromises with the South?

Because people JUST LIKE YOU were afraid of what it would mean. It was too dangerous! "Not in my name!"

Then along came Abraham Lincoln. A guy that many sophisticates thought was a fool, a dimbulb. But ordinary people understood how dangerous it was to allow the country to be split asunder. They understood how immoral it was to allow slavery to spread. They weren't lusting for war. But there was no choice.

So which side would you have been on in 1861?

by MeltedPriest
Cowards? You call Berkeley cowards?

Who is going to fight this war? You? I doubt it.

Who is telling us to go to war? The President?

Ah. And what is HIS war experience, exactly? 1 year missing (read: AWOL) from active duty?

2 words for you name-calling hypocrits: GROW UP
by MeltedPriest
Cowards? You call Berkeley cowards?

No casualties in Afghanistan and the Gulf War (Thess)? What planet are you on?

Who is going to fight this war? You? I doubt it.

Who is telling us to go to war? The President?

Ah. And what is HIS war experience, exactly? 1 year missing (read: AWOL) from active duty?

2 words for you name-calling hypocrits: GROW UP
by Mr. fu
Haven't I read a hundred times on this site that the U.S. deserved what they got concerning 9/11?

How can you mourn their loss while at the same time thinking they got what they deserved?

I see thousands spent on therapy in your future.
by Mr. fu
Haven't I read a hundred times on this site that the U.S. deserved what they got concerning 9/11?

How can you mourn their loss while at the same time thinking they got what they deserved?

I see thousands spent on therapy in your future.
by bill blake
"How can you mourn their loss while at the same time thinking they got what they deserved?"

it's called having understanding. You can feel bad for a kid who did something stupid and got hurt, you know. Not types like you, being malicious and spiteful - obviously this is beyond your comprehension. Perhaps this is why you come here.
by Mr. fu
Uh,
Billy boy.

What a sanctimonious asshole you are.

And yes, you have a point, it's right to mourn the loss of those you think may be wrong, but in this case I seriously doubt that is what is happening.

I've seen too many times in my life American protesters cheering the death of American lives.

The only difference between this most recent rash of "anti-war protesters" (read anti-capitalist, anti-american) and the others is that they sense the rest of the country will not put up with their constant whining this time around, so in order to not get their ass kicked and be able to protest at the same time they've come up with this cute gimmick. You know these people "in mourning" in these pictures were having a jolly good time on the morning of 9/11/01, drinking shade grown coffee and laughing about how America finally got it's comeuppance.

You may call it "understanding", I call it "hypocrisy".


by Mr. fu
Ha! I just found this posted on this forum by one of your brethren:

"Stop whining and complaining about the 9-11 dead. They are nothing more than Collateral damage. Nothing more. "

And yet, somehow he can mourn their loss? Is that what you're saying? Please man, I know some nice men who can help you.

by in case you haven't noticed
A lot of them hate each other.
by spotter
only a complete and utter moron would assume that some anonymous post on the site means everyone agrees. Are you a complete and utter moron? I guess so, since this had to be pointed out to you.
Extension of your logic means that since you post here you agree with every single opinion expressed. That would make you one truly fucked up and confused m.f. which is no doubt the case.
by matthew (allpeepsco [at] yahoo.com)
sure it was sad that folks died on september 11th. it was scary to see and to realize that we are not immune from the consequences of the brutal violence that normally we can just can watch others around the world die and say tsk, tsk. not since 9-11.

but this cowtowing, kumbayah singing, so-called peace movement, that refuses to be can't be seen publically in opposition to bush's campaign of murder and terror, without first prefacing it with some kind of sloganeering about "grief" for the victims of 9-11 is really pathetic.

this liberal feel good movement, which seems more terrified of those of us on the "left" who want to get to the roots of whats going on and do something about it -- than they are of the policies they claim to oppose, is really pathetic.

we white people can choose to give a shit or not about the thousands upon thousands that are killed as a direct result of government's adventures to keep our gas tanks full, our malls filled with goodies, and our grocery stores stuffed with organic food.

but when white people start to die as a result our government's violence, it is put out as a DEMAND that the entire world feel this pain. they can cheer in the streets when iraqi children get bombed, when our government stuffs black people in concentration camps called prisons, but anyone who doesn't mourn well enough is a terrorist! its so arrogant and revolting. and equally revolting is how the white left liberal movement buckles to this line.

so now we are targets to. maybe this will help us wake up to the reality the rest of the world is faced with every day.

some reactionary in here is trying to prove that all of us who protest the bush regime's war of terror are terrorists ourselves. he proves this by trying to demonstrate how our "grief" isn't authentic enough. he thinks we are "traitors" and he would give the government the power to scoop all of us up, put us on secret trials, detain us without charging us of a crime, etc. why? because he's a patriotic american. i'm not being facetious. its true. he is.

this is what america is about. its been about this for a long time, long before bush let some planes collide with some buildings last year. this guys just being honest, and good for him. american patriots lynch and murder and rape and steal and cheer on their government for lynching murdering raping and stealing. american patriot believe america is so filthy rich because god likes us best or we have an advanced notion of democracy, not because we killed an entire continent of people to steal their land and took another one hostage and made them work like farm animals for centuries. american patriots round up those that don't look white enough or disagree with them and say there doing it to protect freedom. thats what american patriotism is about.

in all peeps we say we don't play that game. when we get confronted with this we don't say "we are in grief! we'll prove it by holding more candles!" we say "It is YOU and your thug-president george bush who are the terrorists!" we don' t turn the other cheek, unless its in the process of delivering a right hook! (malcolm x said that of course)

it is chicken shit punks who are the ones trying to hold up a dying world; ready to chew their own arm off like a wolf in a trap, as demonstrated in the way our government sacrificed thousands of its own civilians and its infrastructure last year. it is they who should be on the defensive! not us!

anyone who's tired of holding candles and feeling somber and who wants to really end the worst terrorism there is in the history of the world, u.s. imperalism and colonialism. anyone who wants to build a world of peace founded on social justice, not just a lack of tension, needs to email all peeps at allpeepsco [at] yahoo.com

and finally read this:
> A MINUTE OF SILENCE FOR EVERYONE?
>
> If you are still shaken by the horrifying scenes of
> September 11, please observe a moment of silence for
>
> the 5,000 civilian lives lost in the New York,
> Washington, DC and Pennsylvania attacks.
>
> While we're at it, let's have 13 minutes of silence
> for the 130,000 Iraqi civilians killed in 1991 by
> order of President Bush, Sr. Take another moment to
> remember how Americans celebrated and cheered
> in the streets.
>
> Now another 20 minutes of silence for the 200,000
> Iranians killed by Iraqi soldiers using weapons and
> money provided to young Saddam Hussein by the
> American government before the great eagle turned
>
> all its power against Iraq.
>
> Another 15 minutes of silence for the Russians and
> 150,000 Afghans killed by troops supported and
> trained by the CIA.
>
> Plus 10 minutes of silence for 300,000 Japanese
> killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the Atomic
>
> bombs dropped by the USA.
>
> We've just kept quiet for one hour: one minute for
> the Americans killed in NY, DC, and Pennsylvania,
>
> 59 minutes for their victims throughout the world.
>
>
> If you are still in awe, let's have another hour of
> silence for all those killed in Vietnam, which is
> not something Americans like to admit.
>
>
>
> The US went to another continent thousands of miles
>
> away and burnt tens of thousands of Vietnamese
>
> peasants with napalm.
>
> Or for the massacre in Panama in 1989, where
> American troops attacked poor villagers, leaving
> 20,000
> Panamanians homeless and thousands more dead.
>
> Or for the millions of children who have died
> because of the USA embargoes on Iraq and Cuba.
>
> Or the hundreds of thousands brutally murdered
> throughout the world by US-sponsored civil wars
> and coups d'etat (Chile, Argentina, Uruguay,
> Bolivia,
> Guatemala, El Salvador to name a few).
>
> Maybe, and although the memory of Americans claims
> otherwise, someone may remember the USA attack on
> Baghdad where 1800 civilians were killed. Did
> someone see it on CNN? Was justice ever served? Or
> was
> there even any retaliation?
>
> We hope that we Americans finally begin to
> understand our vulnerability and the attacks and
> other
> tragedies that have been caused around the world.
>
> The dead in other places hurt as much as the dead
> of the Towers, maybe even more!
>
> What about the 560,000 Iraqi children (as per
> current UN data) who have died as a direct cause of
>
> the US supported sanctions against Iraq? Are these
>
> the children of a lesser God?
>
> What about a new generation of nearly one million
> Iraqi children who are currently having their lives
>
> being ruined by improper nutrition, lack of medicine
>
> and inferior education because of
> US supported sanctions.
>
> Now, let's talk about terrorism, shall we?
by moretreeslessbush
for this excellent posting
by matthew
thanks for checking out the post i wrote. are you who i think you are?
by Jay Rukahs (jmx_r2k [at] yahoo.com)
when you've ben kicked out of your home you dont want to be picked up by others . The Palestinians were willing to share their homes with those cvalled zionist
and the Tragedy about it is they are doing what Hitler did to them in the holocaust Shame that american bombs are killing innocent children that can only defend themselves with rocks and their courageous spirit.

Free Palestine
by Jay Rukahs (jmx_r2k [at] yahoo.com)
when you've ben kicked out of your home you dont want to be picked up by others . The Palestinians were willing to share their homes with those cvalled zionist
and the Tragedy about it is they are doing what Hitler did to them in the holocaust Shame that american bombs are killing innocent children that can only defend themselves with rocks and their courageous spirit.

Free Palestine
by Jay Rukahs (jmx_r2k [at] yahoo.com)
when you've ben kicked out of your home you dont want to be picked up by others . The Palestinians were willing to share their homes with those cvalled zionist
and the Tragedy about it is they are doing what Hitler did to them in the holocaust Shame that american bombs are killing innocent children that can only defend themselves with rocks and their courageous spirit.

Free Palestine
by Jay Rukahs (jmx_r2k [at] yahoo.com)
when you've ben kicked out of your home you dont want to be picked up by others . The Palestinians were willing to share their homes with those c
alled zionist
and the Tragedy about it is they are doing what Hitler did to them in the holocaust Shame that american bombs are killing innocent children that can only defend themselves with rocks and their courageous spirit.

Free Palestine
by Jay Rukahs (jmx_r2k [at] yahoo.com)
when you've ben kicked out of your home you dont want to be picked up by others . The Palestinians were willing to share their homes with those c
alled zionist
and the Tragedy about it is they are doing what Hitler did to them in the holocaust Shame that american bombs are killing innocent children that can only defend themselves with rocks and their courageous spirit.

Free Palestine
by Jay Rukahs (jmx_r2k [at] yahoo.com)
when you've ben kicked out of your home you dont want to be picked up by others . The Palestinians were willing to share their homes with those c alled zionist and the Tragedy about it is they are doing what Hitler did to them in the holocaust Shame that american bombs are killing innocent children that can only defend themselves with rocks and their courageous spirit. Free Palestine
by Jay Rukahs (jmx_r2k [at] yahoo.com)
when you've ben kicked out of your home you dont want to be picked up by others . The Palestinians were willing to share their homes with those c alled zionist and the Tragedy about it is they are doing what Hitler did to them in the holocaust Shame that american bombs are killing innocent children that can only defend themselves with rocks and their courageous spirit. Free Palestine
by Jay Rukahs (jmx_r2k [at] yahoo.com)
when you've ben kicked out of your home you dont want to be picked up by others . The Palestinians were willing to share their homes with those c alled zionist and the Tragedy about it is they are doing what Hitler did to them in the holocaust Shame that american bombs are killing innocent children that can only defend themselves with rocks and their courageous spirit. Free Palestine
by Jay Rukahs (jmx_r2k [at] yahoo.com)
when you've ben kicked out of your home you dont want to be picked up by others . The Palestinians were willing to share their homes with those c
alled zionist
and the Tragedy about it is they are doing what Hitler did to them in the holocaust Shame that american bombs are killing innocent children that can only defend themselves with rocks and their courageous spirit.

Free Palestine
by Jay Rukahs (jmx_r2k [at] yahoo.com)
when you've ben kicked out of your home you dont want to be picked up by others . The Palestinians were willing to share their homes with those called zionist
and the Tragedy about it is they are doing what Hitler did to them in the holocaust Shame that american bombs are killing innocent children that can only defend themselves with rocks and their courageous spirit.

Free Palestine
by Jay Rukahs (jmx_r2k [at] yahoo.com)
when you've ben kicked out of your home you dont want to be picked up by others . The Palestinians were willing to share their homes with those called zionist
and the Tragedy about it is they are doing what Hitler did to them in the holocaust Shame that american bombs are killing innocent children that can only defend themselves with rocks and their courageous spirit.

Free Palestine
by Jay Rukahs (jmx_r2k [at] yahoo.com)
when you've ben kicked out of your home you dont want to be picked up by others . The Palestinians were willing to share their homes with those called zionist
and the Tragedy about it is they are doing what Hitler did to them in the holocaust Shame that american bombs are killing innocent children that can only defend themselves with rocks and their courageous spirit.

Free Palestine
by bumkusfiveal
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i will be pleased to give my support the palestinians just as soon as they proclaim the u.s as the greatest country on earth but in the mean time.........
by bumkusfiveal
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okay, okay, i have just discovered the error of ways we should keep our noses out of evcerybody elses affairs. we should not use our influence on the rest of the world. we should not be trying to turn the planet into one big u.s. colony. you all were right, showing me how the u.s. has spread itself like a great big octopus trying to encircle the world.

okay now hey yasser you big p.o.s. how giving me money back. there are a lot of things that have to cleaned up here. oh and how bout we get our cash back from every other p.o.s. 3rd world country what with trying to reduce our influence.... or does not continue along with the p.c. logic?
by mtlb
Who else would have that name?
by jeff paterson (barrytemp [at] aol.cim)
saw on hannity & colmns tonight. please do not bs people re: reasons you didn`t serve in the gulf war. the reason you didn`t serve is that you are a wuss! i can understand being afraid,most people are if they are honest but one should just say that. this is why i don`t trust the dem-libs. an honest republican
by HellHound
Looks more like 25 to me....
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