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Before 911! TV show about plane crash into WTC
by xx
Friday Sep 6th, 2002 3:32 AM
real media 56k

The lonegunman TV show aired pilot episod in March and in July 0f 2001.

Its about a government plot to remotley control a 727 into the WTC. Below is some clips from the script.
We know the government like to plant these little easter eggs, as disinformation. So when someone brings it up they can say yea, that was just a TV show! I saw that!

What do you think the chances are that they will ever reair this again?

Script

BYERS: We know it's a war game scenario. That it has to do with airline counter-terrorism. Why is it important enough to kill for.

BYERS SNR: Because it's no longer a game.

BYERS: But if some terrorist group wants to act out this scenario, then why target you for assassination?

BYERS SNR: Depends on who your terrorists are.

BYERS: The men who conceived of it the first place. You're saying our government is planning to commit a terrorist act against a domestic airline?

BYERS SNR: There you go again. Blaming the entire government as usual. In fact, a small faction ...

BYERS: For what possible gain?

BYERS SNR: The Cold War's over, John. But with no clear enemy to stockpile against, the arms market's flat. But bring down a fully loaded 727 into the middle of New York City and you'll find a dozen tinpot dictators all over the world just clamouring to take responsibility, and begging to be smart-bombed.

BYERS: We need to know our flightplan.

CUT BACK TO:

(LANGLY and FROHIKE are checking the flight data.)

FROHIKE: I'm mapping the data now.

(The monitor changes to show a map. The map increases in detail and a line showing the flightplan is superimposed on it. The line stops at a point on the map and the target building is highlighted. FROHIKE and LANGLY look at each other.)

LANGLY: Byers. Your flight's going to make an unscheduled stop. In exactly 22 minutes.

(Cut to FROHIKE and LANGLY.)

FROHIKE: Corner of Liberty and Washington, Lower Manhattan.

CUT TO:

(Onboard the aircraft. BYERS and BYERS SNR are trying to keep their voices low.)

BYERS: World Trade Center. (He turns to his father) They're going to crash it into the World Trade Center.

BYERS SNR: I'll tell the flight crew.

CUT TO:

(The Lone Gunmen offices. LANGLY is frantically working at the console.)

BYERS (VO): Langly, can you override the flight control system?

LANGLY: Working on it.

CUT BACK TO:

(The aircraft flight deck. BYERS SNR enters. The pilot turns to him)

PILOT: What is this?

(The navigator tries to stop BYERS SNR.)

BYERS SNR: My name is Bert Byers. (He shows them his ID) I work for the government. I believe this plane has been commandeered.

PILOT: Sir, passengers are not allowed in the cockpit. I need you to return to your seat now.

BYERS SNR: You don't have control of this plane and I don't know what we can do to get it back. Turn off your auto-pilot. There may be a chance we can override it.

PILOT: Sir, I'll be happy to contact your superiors in the government -

(BYERS SNR rushes to the flight controls.)

PILOT: Sir! Dammit!

(The navigator hauls BYERS SNR back. The Co-Pilot has grabbed the control stick.)

CO-PILOT: He's right!

(Cut to monitor in Lone Gunmen offices. The screen shows: "ALERT: SYSTEM OVERLOAD. Flushing C- Please wait".)

LANGLY: Dammit! Frozen again. (Exasperated) They've encrypted the manual override commands.

FROHIKE: Well, decrypt them then.

LANGLY: I don't have enough power ...

(We cut between BYERS and the Lone Gunmen offices.)

LANGLY (VO): ... my CPUs are pegged.

BYERS: Langly, what's happening?

LANGLY: I'll try decrypting in background mode.

BYERS: How long will that take?

LANGLY: On my calcs per sec? I estimate (pause) seven to ten days.

BYERS: Oh. Needless to say!

LANGLY: Our asses are fried.

by xx
Friday Sep 6th, 2002 3:58 AM
Copy the following to embed the movie into another web page:
download video:

lonegunmanpilot.mpg (13.5MB)

This is bigger but is better quality, about 13MBs
by X2
Friday Sep 6th, 2002 4:14 AM
I was a bit skeptical of the release date of this pilot so I checked it out and it turns out it's true, it was well before September 2001. This is VERY freaking suspicious. What the Hell does it mean?
It means its a TV show.

P.S. have you read the latest reports coming from Al Jazeera?
Was this an excersise or was it an operation? Were they actually remotley controling the planes?
the info leaked and now they have this cover story.


>>> Here's another admission which destroys the government's lie that it couldn't possibly have foreseen the use of planes to ram buildings.

The National Law Enforcement and Security Institute will be holding a conference called "Homeland Security: America's Leadership Challenge" in Chicago on 6 Sept 2002. The star speaker is Rudolph Giuliani. One of the other speakers is CIA man John Fulton. Here is the crucial sentence from the promotional literature for the conference:

On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building.

NRO Planned Mock Plane-Crashes-Into-Building Exercise On 911

Spy Agency Planned Exercise On September 11 Built
Around A Plane Crashing Into A Building
By John J. Lumpkin
Associated Press Writer 8-22-2

WASHINGTON - In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings.
But the cause wasn't terrorism - it was to be a simulated accident.

Officials at the Chantilly, Virginia-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet
would crash into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure.

The agency is about 4 miles (6 kilometers) from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport.

Agency chiefs came up with the scenario to test employees' ability to respond to a disaster, said spokesman Art Haubold. No actual plane was to
be involved to simulate the damage from the crash, some stairwells and exits were to be closed off, forcing employees to find other ways to
evacuate the building.

"It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility," Haubold said. "As soon as the real
world ( news - Y! TV) events began, we canceled the exercise."

Terrorism was to play no role in the exercise, which had been planned for several months, he said.

Adding to the coincidence, American Airlines Flight 77 the Boeing 767 that was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon ( news - web sites) took off from Dulles at 8:10 a.m. on Sept. 11, 50 minutes before the
exercise was to begin. It struck the Pentagon around 9:40 a.m., killing 64 aboard the plane and 125 on the ground.

The National Reconnaissance Office operates many of the nation's spy satellites. It draws its personnel from the military and the CIA ( news -
web sites).

After the Sept. 11 attacks, most of the 3,000 people who work at agency headquarters were sent home, save for some essential personnel,
Haubold said.

An announcement for an upcoming homeland security conference in Chicago first noted the exercise.

In a promotion for speaker John Fulton, a CIA officer assigned as chief of NRO's strategic gaming division, the announcement says, "On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team ... were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day."

The conference is being run by the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute.

On the Net:

National Reconnaissance Office http://www.nro.gov/

Central Intelligence Agency http://www.cia.gov/

National Law Enforcement and Security Institute http://www.nlsi.net/


Commentary
8-22-2

Jeff,
Gee whiz..... and here is another one of those "Interesting
Coincidences". Unbelievable!!!
Noble Eagle

P.S. - Now doesn't this CONTRADICT what Bushie, and Company was
saying only a couple of months ago. Remember when Condi said,"We never even
thought that a hijacked plane could do such a thing..."....hmmmmmmm yet the
NRO was planning a TRAINING Exercise around that very concept. I guess no
one told Rummy, Condi, Dicky, or Bushie..... CAUGHT IN YET ANOTHER LIE!!!!!

GO GET 'EM, JEFF!

by X2
Friday Sep 6th, 2002 11:19 AM
it means it was a predictive show.
Haven't you heard?
Half the 19 terrorists are somehow alive and well.
by xx
Friday Sep 6th, 2002 11:44 AM
planecrash.jpg
planecrash.jpg

Why was the pentagon planning for an airplane crash into pentagon. From the militarys own website. I included a capture of the photo page below, in case that part of the site is hard to load. (sometimes it is)

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html

Washington, D.C., Nov. 3, 2000 — The fire and smoke from the downed passenger aircraft billows from the Pentagon courtyard. Defense Protective Services Police seal the crash sight. Army medics, nurses and doctors scramble to organize aid. An Arlington Fire Department chief dispatches his equipment to the affected areas.
Don Abbott, of Command Emergency Response Training, walks over to the Pentagon and extinguishes the flames. The Pentagon was a model and the "plane crash" was a simulated one.
Also
1999 report warned of possible suicide hijackings
http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/0502/18report.html
Clearly, spokesman Ari Fleischer was fibbing when he said the White House had "no warning" of the Sept. 11 plot. On Thursday, Fleischer and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice defended their failure to come clean about the early warning by insisting they had only been told about a "traditional" hijacking plot -- implying that no one could have imagined hijacked planes being used as weapons.

http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/05/16/spin/index_np.html
We've been through months and months of this before, and changing your ID isn't going to change the truth.

I guess you weren't aware that at the end of September 2001 there was a revised list of names. and they all checked out. Furthermore, the Saudi government reluctantly admitted earlier in 2002 that all 15 Saudis named on the list were genuine Saudi citizens who were unaccounted for -- they even informed their relatives of their official status as deceased.

Hearing this, you will jump topics: the Pentagon was never hit by the hijacked passenger jet; the World Trade Center was imploded with explosive charges after the fact; only one Jew who died in the WTC collapse; no fighter jets were immediately scrambled to bring down the airliners; Bush was told of the crash before he talked to the school children; and on and on and on.....

You know what is common in all of these stories? It's a conspiracy by the Jewish controlled US government. Do you know where these stories are originating? Of course you do -- white supremacist groups like the Aryan Nation.

These Nazis have two primary goals: Overthrow the US government and Remove the non-white races from the nation. The September 11th attacks have worked very well for them because they can lay blame at both the Jews and the government. In addition, it allows them to create distrust and disunity, pitting groups against one another. They have already started planting stories about hatred between Jews and African-Americans, and you can bet that when the time comes, they'll use 9-11 to justify the removal of ethnic immigrants.

Is our government without large problems? No. Do Israelis spy on the US? You bet (we spy on them too, as well as everyone else including our NATO allies--that's how international politics works) So you want to know the real conspiracy? You're being seduced to look in the wrong direction. You're being used.

I've already gone into some depth researching the neo-Nazi strategy for the next 15 years. I would suggest everyone else to do the same.
by X2
Friday Sep 6th, 2002 12:02 PM
"I guess you weren't aware that at the end of September 2001 there was a revised list of names. and they all checked out. Furthermore, the Saudi government reluctantly admitted earlier in 2002 that all 15 Saudis named on the list were genuine Saudi citizens who were unaccounted for -- they even informed their relatives of their official status as deceased."

and the proof of this is? please provide a source.
by X2
Friday Sep 6th, 2002 12:04 PM
"You know what is common in all of these stories? It's a conspiracy by the Jewish controlled US government. Do you know where these stories are originating? Of course you do - - white supremacist groups like the Aryan Nation."

yes I have been claiming that in dozens upon dozens of posts.
In fact I have even caught them posing as fake leftists numerous times.
But then again - you ought to know that from personal experience.

Video about 1994 plans to crash fueled plane as weapon into Eiffel
This video clip is from the frontline TV show To trail a terrorist.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/trail/
by xx
Friday Sep 6th, 2002 12:46 PM
Question the government about 9/11 and you are labled a NAZI! How wonderful!

What government agency came up with this wonderful plan?

If you are on the off chance really a true adovcate for Jewish causes. Cant you see you are being used?
You have become the attack dog for the government.

The information I presented became too uncomfortable for you. So now anyone that speaks up, gets labeled a NAZI? I'm just here to present info, why don't you talk about that, not personal attacks.

"Vilification is a wonderful technique. There is no way of responding. If somebody calls you an anti-Semite, what can you say to him?: "I'm not an anti-Semite"?
If somebody says you're racist, you're a Nazi or something, you always lose. The person that throws the mud always wins because there's no way of responding to such charges." --NOAM CHOMSKY

by X2
Friday Sep 6th, 2002 1:07 PM
its a pretty shitty technique. Most people with more wits than small rock can see that the person using it is desperate, ergo he cannot defend his point by any normal means, ergo his intellect is weak and defeated and he is clinging to something that does not exist in fact but only in his mind.
by By Robert Fisk in Beirut
Saturday Sep 7th, 2002 12:21 AM
17 September 2001

A man named by the US Department of Justice as a suicide
hijacker of American Airlines flight 11 ­ the first airliner to smash
into the World Trade Centre ­ is very much alive and living in
Jeddah.

Abdulrahman al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished
to find himself accused of hijacking ­ as well as being dead ­ and
has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation.

None has so far been forthcoming. It is possible that the hijacker
adopted Mr al-Omari's identity but, if he had been using the same
false name while training as a pilot in the US, he would
presumably have been uncovered.

That is not the only error on the list of hijackers. The name of Ziad
Jarrah ­ identified as the pilot-hijacker of United Airlines flight 93,
which crashed in Pennsylvania ­ was misspelt "Jarrahi". He was a
Lebanese whose family, living in the Bekaa Valley, spoke to him
just two days before his death but who still refuse to believe that he
was involved.

Mr al-Omari's first name ­ Abdulrahman ­ was later given out by the
US authorities as "Abdulaziz" but there can be little doubt that it
referred to the pilot who lives in Jeddah. The Americans described
him as a father of four and Mr al-Omari does have four children, all
of whom live with him and his family in Saudi Arabia's second city.
He has refused to talk to reporters and ­ in the words of one
prominent Saudi journalist ­ "is one nervous guy".
by www.whitehouse.gov
Saturday Sep 7th, 2002 12:30 AM
Now it may be that he was confused and didn't realize what he was saying, but that he said it is undeniable.
Note that the below site are the white house's official web site.
No Nazi propaganda here.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Jordan. Well, Jordan, you're not going to believe what state I was in when I
heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my Chief of Staff, Andy Card -- actually, I was
in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. I was sitting outside the classroom waiting
to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself,
and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident.

But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it. And I was sitting in the
classroom, and Andy Card, my Chief of Staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, "A second
plane has hit the tower, America is under attack."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html


Anyway, I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the
classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I
thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And
something was wrong with the plane, or -- anyway, I'm sitting there, listening to the briefing, and
Andy Card came and said, "America is under attack."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020105-3.html
by XX
Saturday Sep 7th, 2002 1:01 AM
Faked IDs?

Ziad Jarrah is one of the best known of the 19 9/11 hijackers. What most people don't know, however, is that there were actually two Ziad Jarrahs: the one raised in Lebanon and who's picture has been widely circulated by the FBI, and the one that actually flew on Flight 93. The evidence of two is undeniable, and amazingly, we even have pictures of the second Jarrah.

Read it yourself, I'm no expert in this hijacker ID stuff.
by xx
Saturday Sep 7th, 2002 2:05 PM
http://polyzine.com/nazilinks.html

Author links Bush family to Nazis
posted 11/11/00

STAFF REPORT

The president of the Florida Holocaust Museum said Saturday that George W. Bush's grandfather derived a portion of his personal fortune through his affiliation with a Nazi-controlled bank.

John Loftus, a former prosecutor in the Justice Department's Nazi War Crimes Unit, said his research found that Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was a principal in the Union Banking Corp. in Manhattan in the late 1930s and the 1940s.

Leading Nazi industrialists secretly owned the bank at that time, Loftus said, and were moving money into it through a second bank in Holland even after the United States declared war on Germany. The bank was liquidated in 1951, Loftus said, and Bush's grandfather and great-grandfather received $1.5 million from the bank as part of that dissolution.

"That's where the Bush family fortune came from: It came from the Third Reich," Loftus said

http://www.clamormagazine.org/features/issue14.3_feature.html

But while President Bush publicly embraced the community of holocaust survivors in Washington last spring, he and his family have been keeping a secret from them for over 50 years about Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather. According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush.

Throughout the Bush family's decades of public life, the American press has gone out of its way to overlook one historical fact – that through Union Banking Corporation (UBC), Prescott Bush, and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, along with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, financed Adolf Hitler before and during World War II. It was first reported in 1994 by John Loftus and Mark Aarons in The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm

How important was the Nazi enterprise for which President Bush's father was the New York banker?

The 1942 U.S. government investigative report said that Bush's Nazi-front bank was an interlocking concern with the Vereinigte Stahlwerke (United Steel Works Corporation or German Steel Trust) led by Fritz Thyssen and his two brothers. After the war, Congressional investigators probed the Thyssen interests, Union Banking Corp. and related Nazi units. The investigation showed that the Vereinigte Stahlwerke had produced the following approximate proportions of total German national output:

50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron
41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate
36.0% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate
38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet
45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes
22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire
35.0% of Nazi Germany's explosives.@s8
Prescott Bush became vice president of W.A. Harriman & Co. in 1926. That same year, a friend of Harriman and Bush set up a giant new organization for their client Fritz Thyssen, prime sponsor of politician Adolf Hitler. The new German Steel Trust, Germany's largest industrial corporation, was organized in 1926 by Wall Street banker Clarence Dillon. Dillon was the old comrade of Prescott Bush's father Sam Bush from the `` Merchants of Death '' bureau in World War I.

You should question who you are supporting!



by xx
Saturday Sep 7th, 2002 2:29 PM
Almost forgot this. Bush is part of the infamous Skull and Bones at Yale.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/802773.asp

This purpose has driven Bonesmen to ascend to the top levels of so many fields that, as one historian observes, “at any one time The Order can call on members in any area of American society to do what has to be done.” Several Bonesmen have been senators, congressmen, Supreme Court justices, and Cabinet officials. There is a Bones cell in the CIA, which uses the society as a recruiting ground because the members are so obviously adept at keeping secrets. Society members dominate financial institutions such as J. P. Morgan, Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, and Brown Brothers Harriman, where at one time more than a third of the partners were Bonesmen. Through these companies, Skull and Bones provided financial backing to Adolf Hitler because the society then followed a Nazi-and now follows a neo-Nazi—doctrine. At least a dozen Bonesmen have been linked to the Federal Reserve, including the first chairman of the New York Federal Reserve. Skull and Bones members control the wealth of the Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Ford families.

It is during this initiation that the new members are introduced to the artifacts in the tomb, among them Nazi memorabilia—including a set of Hitler’s silverware-dozens of skulls, and an assortment of decorative tchotchkes: coffins, skeletons, and innards.

Inside a cold, foreboding structure of brown sandstone in New Haven, Conn., lives one of the most heavily shrouded secret societies in American history. Yale’s super-elite Skull and Bones, a 200-year-old organization whose roster is stocked with some of the country’s most prominent families: Bush, Harriman, Phelps, Rockefeller, Taft, and Whitney. Journalist Alexandra Robbins, herself a member of another of Yale’s secret societies, interviewed more than a hundred Bonesmen and writes about the rituals that make up the organization. Read an excerpt from her book ‘The Secrets of the Tomb’ below.


by Tito
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 2:38 AM
Hey man,
That show was called the Lone Gunmen, and it kicked fucking ass man! Youguys are prolly all on pcs and have kazaa, so go download some episodes. I'm on a mac, so I can't...anyways, that idea about crashing planes into the world trade centers is a purdy old idea, i mean, books and stuff have been written about it, long before it happened. just stuff about some hijackers who crash a plane into the world trade center. lots of these kinds of books, people who read a lot of those black ops genre would probably know about that....
it was just a thing most people thought terrorists would attack, and they did...not much of a coincidince....
the lone gunmen got canned as a show though, in summer before the sept 11 attack....
i dunno what else youguys are tlaking about,
however, i recommend youguys find out about The Savage Nation, a radio show with Micheal Savage
its a great show, and is on everyday....out here in hawaii its AM 830, 12-4
paulreveresociety.com

suprised it took uguys this long to find out about that show.....
Tito
by X2
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 2:45 AM
oh savage nation you mean the one where the guy called those 2 rape victims who were about to be killed by that sick bastard, "whores"??
the reason why the lone gunmen episode was very odd, was that there have been NO books etc as you claim written about smashing an aircraft into the world trade center. If you can point out one such example I would be amazed, let alone the mountain of them you just claim.
The reference is eerily specific. Nowhere else is that reference so specific as to the method and target. What's even more odd is the claims about the plane being remote controlled and how the government stands to gain new justifications for its attacks.
Too bad they didn't do an anthrax episode, since this use of a weapon of mass destruction against the American people is proven beyond a shadow of doubt to have been committed from within the American military complex for the purpose of garnering support for the biowarfare program.
by Tito
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 2:58 AM
also, if youguys are at all thinking the media is TOTALLY FUCKING CORRUPTED, have a gander at this.....
england and us forces bombed the shit out of some iraqi (3) bases friday morning...funny how next to nothing was said about it...a little blurb on abc...a tiny article on cnn that i can find if uguys dont belive me...
anyway, this totally proves SOMETHING about hte media..not sure what...either they dont want admit that bush started an attack without them knowing and revealing the details 48hrs in advance...or....you decide
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/07/iraq.attack/index.html
that is it...however, it has been changed a lot....before it talked about attacking 3 airbases,andt he picture is different, before it was with a battleship in the left side
im on 56k tho, so cnn is really slow, ill keep looking though
never mind, the article is gone...i will ask my friends tomorrow..this is a totally different article, but the one i am talking abou did involve co........

ahhhhhhh!!!!! HERE IT IS!!! THE ABOVE ARTICLE HAPPENED TODAY, AND THIS FOLLOWING ARTICLE IS AN ALL OUT STRIKE ON IRAQ, WHIHC HAPPENED ON FRIDAY MORNING, AND THE MEDIA SAID ALMOST NOTHING ABOUT IT, EVEN THOUGH IT MARKS THE START OF THE WAR
the first sentence, whihc says that 12 planes were in no fly zones really changes the angle on it...."i guess tehy just got lost" one must think, however, this totally means "tehy were going to jack the shit out of iraq and got fired upon while oding so"
http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/06/iraq.air.attack/
Tito

tito
by melanie
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 3:04 AM
Yeah that fucker just goes ahead and does whatever the fuck he likes, regardless of what the American people have to say. We've been fucking HIJACKED as a nation!
by tito
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 3:07 AM
hey man, im not a troll....i just was looking on google for stuff that had "the lone gunmen" in it, and i came up on this, thought i would shed some light on the stuff
hey man, i bet if (statement delted hehehe)
seriosuly, about the books, i read them a few years back...maybe 4 years ago..the reason i remembered them was because when the lone gunmen episode came out, my dad was all like "wow, thats a really origional idea" but then my mother and i told him some stuff about the books we remember reading and that was that.... but, in the books it was always 1 plane, just like in the lone gunmen, and in the real world it was 2
laters man
tito
by another American citizen
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 3:08 AM
I'm an American citizen and I've been waiting for years to see Hussein sent to Hell. Don't speak for me, you mite infested soap avoiding pig!
by X2
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 3:09 AM
the reason why the lone gunmen episode was very odd, was that there have been NO books etc as you claim written about smashing an aircraft into the world trade center. If you can point out one such example I would be amazed, let alone the mountain of them you just claim.
The reference is eerily specific. Nowhere else is that reference so specific as to the method and target. What's even more odd is the claims about the plane being remote controlled and how the government stands to gain new justifications for its attacks.
Too bad they didn't do an anthrax episode, since this use of a weapon of mass destruction against the American people is proven beyond a shadow of doubt to have been committed from within the American military complex for the purpose of garnering support for the biowarfare program.
by tito
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 3:19 AM
ok man, if u wanna be a cock blower, then I demand you show me some books where they talk about this event NOT SPECIFICALLY. Show me some related ones wehre they generalize and say nothing about the world trade centers or other "eerily specific" stuf besides the initial fact which is they crashed a plane into the wtc...i mean wtf man, the basic idea was almost on the money, but that for sure as hell and "eerily specific"....i read the above posts and it seems YOU are a troll, so go blow man....lordy, whyd ya have to pick on me?
cool u listen daily to the savage nation though
yea, those whore fuckers killed their father, they should fucking burn...unless they were hyptonized by the signs that lead to the un concentration camps...eh?
tito
by X2
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 3:22 AM
the onus is on the person making the assertion to prove his case.
You assert that "many" books have been written about flying a plane into the WTC.
I would define "many" as at least 3, if not 50 or more.
So give us at least 3 books with authors, and Amazon links.
If you can't I and the whole world can safely assume you are full of shit.
by X2
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 3:24 AM
savage is an inbred dog. I don't listen to his show though I do go to this website:

http://michaelsavagesucks.com
by tito
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 3:30 AM
yea, cuz all crappy books are on amazon. lol.
yea, and the whole world reads these boards. so far, it's me and some goat blowing guy, which is you.
why don't you try and go look, cuz i dont really care...it seems people think you suck, so they will probably think im right, hell, some of them may have read the same books i did.

by X2
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 3:32 AM
I guess you are just making it up then, assclown.
Get well soon!
by tito
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 3:39 AM
lol! oh well, guess so...
funny you think you are so smmmarrt when all you know is about a website against the savage natio!!!!LOL!!!! i guess you cant interpret what he says yourself eh?
please present proof that micheal savage actually said those comments...i want audio clips, not the interpretation of some low life tennager...mike savage "I dont like when people killl frogs" interpretation "I lick frogs" wow awesome stie man!!!LOL!!!! get a life and actually listen to the show
by X2
Sunday Sep 8th, 2002 3:47 AM
email the website and ask them for them. They tape all of his shows.
Can you still not name ANY of these books or in any way prove they exist?
Very weak indeed my friend.
by Tito
Monday Sep 9th, 2002 9:54 AM
Hey man,
I emailed them, and they replied pretty quick, and said that they do not have any of the tapes of the shows. I guess you are a lying turd. Oh well. And I AM positive about those books, I remember reading them.
Peace
Tito
by .......
Monday Sep 9th, 2002 11:49 AM
proof please tito? Its easy to say those things but it seems impossibly difficult for you to prove any of them.
by tiot
Monday Sep 9th, 2002 7:30 PM
get a life man, noone else is even reading this topic
you know what im saying is right, but you dont have to be a prick. you obviously dont read trashy novels that arent on amazon.com
its just as difficult to "prove" as you proving that micheal savage called those kids sluts
by ........
Monday Sep 9th, 2002 8:31 PM
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.
by Abdullah Islam
Tuesday Sep 10th, 2002 1:59 PM
Assalamu ailaikum to my bro. and sis.Did muslim high jackers high jack planes on 9 11?
Well there is a simple ans. NO. What I think is the jews or kkk did the attacks to put a end to Islam.Many
people don't agree with me but god willing you shall be proven wrong!. First of all how the in the world could Osama Bin Laden communicate with the flse hi-jackers? ,and how did the USA giv. find out so fast that the taliban did the attacks on 9 11.Yesterday I was watching the news and some phony CNN story that the 9 11 hi-jackers plan video.I think it was the jew 60% and I think that the kkk did the attacks on 9 11 40%, but its either those two. I wish the lying USA sould stop this propaganda against the muslims in America! Remember Hiltler? , and what he did to the jews, thats what the USA is trying to do to Islam.I also think these satanic people are worried about Islam uniting.Brother an sis. why aren't we? because these jews and other satans are fighting us we must unite now! I am only 25 , but I wish the muslims would unite,
and destroy America and the devil. I grew up in the USA I have personal exp.So bro. an sis. Allah hafiz.
by xx
Tuesday Sep 10th, 2002 3:40 PM
Did the Mossad give orders to Norad to have all the 16 stand down?

Did the mossad know? Of course! Did they run the show no way.

Don't lhe people that are running the show. Ie people in the CFR, Skull and bones etc. defect the blame to Israelis. Of course the Israelis can do the same. Likely they are part of the same machine.

But they do not run it!

Bush and Clinton belong to same groups. its call divide and conquer.

Its about power not religion. This is about a world power grab. Oil drugs etc.

Check out my other videos I posted

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/146776.php

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/144612.php

This video is good too.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/04/122246.php


by truthteller
Tuesday Sep 10th, 2002 9:17 PM
I can't wait until Islamics are reased from the planet. Now you go and find a liberal in the media and complain about how youre so misunderstood, you dogshit.

By the way, it's Clinton who sold us out, who set us up. He gave the Islamic fanatics pinpoint accuracy on 911.



http://clinton4.nara.gov/textonly/WH/EOP/OSTP/html/0053_2.html




by truthteller
Tuesday Sep 10th, 2002 9:18 PM
I can't wait until Islamics are reased from the planet. Now you go and find a liberal in the media and complain about how youre so misunderstood, you dogshit.

By the way, it's Clinton who sold us out, who set us up. He gave the Islamic fanatics pinpoint accuracy on 911.



http://clinton4.nara.gov/textonly/WH/EOP/OSTP/html/0053_2.html




by .....
Tuesday Sep 10th, 2002 10:55 PM
TROLL ALERT

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.
by xx
Wednesday Sep 11th, 2002 1:16 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64818-2002Aug26.html

Bush Seeks Secrecy For Pardon Discussions

President Bush's lawyers are trying to keep secret the inside stories of President Bill Clinton's last-day pardons by invoking a claim of executive privilege that extends far beyond the White House.

http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/257504.html

High-Tech Transfers To China Continue

The Bush administration has been "as bad, if not worse" than the Clinton administration when it comes to the transfer of sensitive technologies to the People's Republic of China (PRC), claims Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a nonpartisan public-interest law firm. Fitton says the Bush administration even has "relaxed the rules put in place during the Clinton years." Specifically, he tells Insight, the administration has allowed the transfer of "computer technology [whose] only practical purpose is for nuclear-weapon design." Fitton says that from the beginning the administration went "full-speed ahead" with China trade and efforts to get the PRC into the World Trade Organization (WTO), which Fitton tells Insight only gives China more opportunities to modernize its military and "get cash" with which to buy high-tech weapons elsewhere.

While few have gone so far as Fitton with such complaints, criticism of U.S. transfers of sensitive technology to China is growing. Accuracy in Media, another Washington watchdog group, echoes Fitton on computer-technology transfers: "President Bush seems to have no clearer vision of what constitutes a strategically sensitive export than did Clinton. For example, Republicans harshly condemned Clinton for exporting high-performance computers to China, but President Bush has more than doubled the control threshold on these computers despite existing intelligence estimates that demonstrate how China's national security benefits from such acquisitions."

Indeed, in his last days as a lame-duck president Clinton made exports of U.S. supercomputers easier by raising the export threshold from 28,000 millions of theoretical operations per second (MTOPS) to 85,000 MTOPS. Bush raised that limit to 190,000 MTOPS. A General Accounting Office (GAO) official tells Insight that the government hadn't done the necessary pre-export analysis and that an "interagency process" led by the Department of Defense should be in place for export controls.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1908571.stm

US grants N Korea nuclear funds

"These reactors are like all reactors, They have the potential to make weapons. So you might end up supplying the worst nuclear violator with the means to acquire the very weapons we're trying to prevent it acquiring," Henry Sokolski told the Far Eastern Economic Review.

So much for Axis of evil!

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=2579

Why do Bush/Ashcroft continue the anti-gun policies of Clinton/Reno?

The Bush administration is taking the most radical anti-gun position possible in the most important Supreme Court case in 60 years. The announced Bush position is that US Courts should not be allowed to even consider restoring the 2nd Amendment rights of Americans who lost those rights under the GCA 68 provision that says that your gun rights are forfeit if you were ever convicted of a felony or certain misdemeanors.

Do you think you really have liberals or conservatives?

Did you really choose? Why not just say I choose team red and team blue. They have no real meaning, except to distract and shift blame from those that control when they do their bad things.

Its the liberal's fault, it’s the liberal media lying to us. Its the conservative's fault, it’s the conservative media lying to us. No folks its “the group” The Group controlled media” that are lying to you. Don’t blame fellow Americans, blame the secret groups that pick all the presidents and that have taken over most of the government!

Follow what they do, not what they say.

They are all the same people, the same group, with the same goals. Wake up people! You wonder why things never change for the better? Because its the same group and the same evil control plans over and over again.

They just fool you by "acting" like they fight, and you believe the soap opera.

Do you guys believe TV wrestling is real too! Grow up.
by xx
Wednesday Sep 11th, 2002 2:32 AM

View this and see!
by xx
Wednesday Sep 18th, 2002 11:10 PM
Check out this Norad exersise just prior to 9/11.
New report in pdf format! Showing the government knew! http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/149985_comment.php#149990
by John
Saturday Mar 8th, 2003 1:57 PM
This is such crap, its liberal garbage blaming the government for everything.
Do I have to remind people that we have actual footage of Bin Laden talking to his people about how he thinks the towers will fall, and how he doesn't think America has the balls to fight back. (footage was examined by middle eastern scientist. Its real)
So quickly we forget the fallen!!!
by debate coach
Saturday Mar 8th, 2003 2:03 PM
> footage was examined by middle eastern scientist. Its real

How does being "Middle Eastern" make this guy honest, let alone an expert?

See:

http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/aa.htm
by BOJINKA
( bojinka [at] hotmail.com ) Friday Feb 10th, 2006 9:07 AM
"Google" BOJINKA and OPERATION NORTHWOOD
by Gary
( takeoverworld [at] NEO.RR.COM ) Saturday May 13th, 2006 10:09 PM
<quote>This is such crap, its liberal garbage blaming the government for everything.
Do I have to remind people that we have actual footage of Bin Laden talking to his people about how he thinks the towers will fall, and how he doesn't think America has the balls to fight back. (footage was examined by middle eastern scientist. Its real)
So quickly we forget the fallen!!! </quote>

I don't know how I ended up linking here, but this post is interesting. Some Professor did a study of the clever sophisticated levels of psychological spin which have become almost a meme, yet end up in the hands of illiterates, as discourse-killers.

I especially liked "So quickly we forget the fallen!!!" and it's close cousin "Have you forgotten 9-11?" (i have not) He's like some poet. It's funny how this style of meme is produced, it's like a new-think mode of speaking and writing.

Besides that, it is traditionally CONSERVATIVES who don't trust the govt, for good reason. Wouldn't it have been funny if when conservatives (i hate to even call them that because they're not) were going nuts over Clinton, even calling for blood, they were called anti-American for hating the govt. Normal people would never think of that propaganda attack. (Besides, the Repugs agreed to only going after the bullsh1t issues like Monica, since the serious issues Clinton was truly guilty of would smear on both parties.)

So this super-fake-conservo talk is almost formulaic.


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com has some bizarre stuff, but one of the real things it has is "fakealqaeda", which is a photostudy of the old Osama vs. the post 9-11 Osama video.

But more to the point, Al-Qaeda began as a US covert project, and it remained that. google Osamagate There is a detailed 1999 Republican Policy report on Pentagon collaborating with Al-Qaeda in Bosnia, meant to smear Clinton, but they never used it.

Osama's involvement in the US went from oil and contruction sheik to CIA operative in charge if the Islamic Brigades. I heard it was either NY lawyers or Richard Clarke who came up with the name "Al-Qaeda", but it wasn't OBL. Much more history on US covert involvement w/ Al-Qaeda, Bin Laden, and the Hijackers themselves.

That and the ridiculous 90 minute standdown. Even 40 min after 9:05 and not a single successful effort to protect the heart of our $13 Trillion defense structure? Not even an intercept? Look at the timelines. hahahahaha Sorry, that's obnoxious. It's not funny. People died and are dying still, but anyone who thinks that was rationally justified is hopeless, and their "tin foil hat" comments make them complicit in the coverup (i dare say). We were all Shocked and Awed into swallowing that at the time, but that's no reason to buy into it still.

check http://www.Takeoverworld.info for more details
by Gary
( takeoverworld [at] NEO.RR.COM ) Saturday May 13th, 2006 10:18 PM
Dude, ever heard of Operation Mockingbird? The Frank Church Committee did.

The well of 9-11 was intentionally poisoned by mixing it up with neo-nazis and UFO freaks, and gross disinformation on the physics. And subtle disinfo. Classic disinfo campaign, muddy the water.

Karl Rove did the same thing with "Fortunate Son". He gave the inside scoop on the Bush biography to a felon convicted of conspiracy to murder someone. And they put out true info on Bush's Nat. Guard record on faked paper. 9-11 is similar, but more elaborate.

I think it's well covered on http://www.breakfornews.com

Real info + poison pill. That doesn't mean it's not the biggest psyop pulled on America.

Plus, even a staid historian like G. Edward Griffin points out that declassified memos from prior to WW1 and WW2 prove that the causal events of these -- getting attacked -- were both LIHOP events, staged efforts to get the enemy to attack.

The elaborate Operation Northwoods plan was preceded by LIHOP efforts on Cuba, but Cuba only protested. So phase 2 was to stage actual attack on Miami and DC, and fake attacks, including real American deaths plus faked hijackings etc., and blame it on Cuba. LIE-HOP.
by stunned
Saturday May 13th, 2006 10:48 PM
This Lone Gunman clip is the most fascinating piece of the puzzle I have seen in years. It even gets into false flag motives in a way that makes a little bit of sense. I don't think this is the real shape of the motivations, but I DO think this is exactly how 9-11 really went down. Hijackers my ass! Remote control is the cleanest conspiracy of all. It could have been pulled off in its entirety by a tiny team of spooks