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Boycott of Israel Succeeding!
The boycott of Israel and Israeli goods, as well as some American goods, combined with the declining economy, is working.
The boycott of Israel and Israeli goods, as well as some American goods, combined with the declining economy, is working.
The San Francisco Chronicle of August 6, 2002 reports this good news in a story by Danielle Haas, entitled "Israelis Feel Boycott's Sting; Creeping Sense of Isolation as Culture, Economy Take Hits" at
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/08/06/MN33709.DTL
Not only should the boycott of Israel continue and grow at all levels, but so should the boycott of American goods, as it is the USA that pays for the existence of Israel, also known as the US military base to protect US oil profits in the Middle East. The fast food that the US sells around the world, including soda pop, potato chips, the awful fast food hamburgers and hot dogs, American candy and all other American junk food certainly has no place in anyone's diet. The native foods of the people of the world are far more nutritious and cheaper. As the article indicates, American cigarettes are being boycotted. That is an excellent first step to boycotting all tobacco products.
Pertinent paragraphs on this successful boycott:
"Many Israelis fear that their country is fast becoming an international pariah after a rash of cancellations by foreign artists and sports figures, as well as calls within international academic and business circles for a boycott of Israel -- either for safety reasons or to protest the Ariel Sharon government's handling of the Palestinians."
"On Monday, Finance Ministry officials said they estimated that the economy would record about $10.5 billion in lost output this year -- half coming from the effects of the Palestinian uprising and half from the world economic slowdown. The intifada's cost to individual Israelis works out to about $1,000 per person. "
"The already shaky economy contracted 0.6 percent in 2001 and is expected to post another 1 percent drop this year. The jobless rate stands at 10.5 percent. "
"'Faster than expected, we will find ourselves in the time warp of (white- dominated) Rhodesia in the 1970s and South Africa in the 1980s: enforced isolation from without and an isolationism from within,' Gabai predicted. [Yoram Gabai is an Israeli economist.] 'The enormous price of isolation will drag us into withdrawing from the (occupied) territories, either in the context of a peace treaty or without one as a unilateral act.'"
"The primary reason cited by many people choosing to stay away is fear for their safety. There has been an alarming 42 percent drop in tourism in the first half of this year from the same period a year earlier. "
"Eight foreign cast members recently canceled their scheduled participation in a new opera production of the Israel Philharmonic, while well-known performers who once regarded Israel as a natural stop on their tour circuit also have given the country a wide berth, including the Red Hot Chili Peppers rock group, which canceled last year. "
"More recently, the Bremen Opera and Venice Baroque Orchestra called off scheduled appearances at the Jerusalem arts festival in May, and the Belgian Groupov theater group canceled for "ideological reasons." "
"An Israeli museum spokeswoman said that attendance by foreign visitors had dropped by 80 percent since the conflict began and that the number of local visitors had been halved. It still mounts exhibitions but now closes on Sundays because of the fall in numbers. "
"An Israeli museum spokeswoman said that attendance by foreign visitors had dropped by 80 percent since the conflict began and that the number of local visitors had been halved. It still mounts exhibitions but now closes on Sundays because of the fall in numbers. "
"In April, 34 Swedish personalities signed an article in a national newspaper urging a boycott of Israel and calling on the European Union to suspend its trade agreement with Israel until "there is respect for life, freedom of moment and property." "
"Norway's second-largest food chain, Coop Norge, also called for a boycott of Israeli goods."
:Advertisements for Marlboro cigarettes have disappeared from many public places in Syria, while Uncle Ben's rice and Mazola oil are on a 50-item list compiled by a government panel organizing a boycott of American goods. "
The San Francisco Chronicle of August 6, 2002 reports this good news in a story by Danielle Haas, entitled "Israelis Feel Boycott's Sting; Creeping Sense of Isolation as Culture, Economy Take Hits" at
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/08/06/MN33709.DTL
Not only should the boycott of Israel continue and grow at all levels, but so should the boycott of American goods, as it is the USA that pays for the existence of Israel, also known as the US military base to protect US oil profits in the Middle East. The fast food that the US sells around the world, including soda pop, potato chips, the awful fast food hamburgers and hot dogs, American candy and all other American junk food certainly has no place in anyone's diet. The native foods of the people of the world are far more nutritious and cheaper. As the article indicates, American cigarettes are being boycotted. That is an excellent first step to boycotting all tobacco products.
Pertinent paragraphs on this successful boycott:
"Many Israelis fear that their country is fast becoming an international pariah after a rash of cancellations by foreign artists and sports figures, as well as calls within international academic and business circles for a boycott of Israel -- either for safety reasons or to protest the Ariel Sharon government's handling of the Palestinians."
"On Monday, Finance Ministry officials said they estimated that the economy would record about $10.5 billion in lost output this year -- half coming from the effects of the Palestinian uprising and half from the world economic slowdown. The intifada's cost to individual Israelis works out to about $1,000 per person. "
"The already shaky economy contracted 0.6 percent in 2001 and is expected to post another 1 percent drop this year. The jobless rate stands at 10.5 percent. "
"'Faster than expected, we will find ourselves in the time warp of (white- dominated) Rhodesia in the 1970s and South Africa in the 1980s: enforced isolation from without and an isolationism from within,' Gabai predicted. [Yoram Gabai is an Israeli economist.] 'The enormous price of isolation will drag us into withdrawing from the (occupied) territories, either in the context of a peace treaty or without one as a unilateral act.'"
"The primary reason cited by many people choosing to stay away is fear for their safety. There has been an alarming 42 percent drop in tourism in the first half of this year from the same period a year earlier. "
"Eight foreign cast members recently canceled their scheduled participation in a new opera production of the Israel Philharmonic, while well-known performers who once regarded Israel as a natural stop on their tour circuit also have given the country a wide berth, including the Red Hot Chili Peppers rock group, which canceled last year. "
"More recently, the Bremen Opera and Venice Baroque Orchestra called off scheduled appearances at the Jerusalem arts festival in May, and the Belgian Groupov theater group canceled for "ideological reasons." "
"An Israeli museum spokeswoman said that attendance by foreign visitors had dropped by 80 percent since the conflict began and that the number of local visitors had been halved. It still mounts exhibitions but now closes on Sundays because of the fall in numbers. "
"An Israeli museum spokeswoman said that attendance by foreign visitors had dropped by 80 percent since the conflict began and that the number of local visitors had been halved. It still mounts exhibitions but now closes on Sundays because of the fall in numbers. "
"In April, 34 Swedish personalities signed an article in a national newspaper urging a boycott of Israel and calling on the European Union to suspend its trade agreement with Israel until "there is respect for life, freedom of moment and property." "
"Norway's second-largest food chain, Coop Norge, also called for a boycott of Israeli goods."
:Advertisements for Marlboro cigarettes have disappeared from many public places in Syria, while Uncle Ben's rice and Mazola oil are on a 50-item list compiled by a government panel organizing a boycott of American goods. "
For more information:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...
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Why is this important? Because almost every single computer uses one of their chips and is thus hundreds of dollars YOU are giving to the Israelis.
Intel, AMD, Transmeta, and IBM (owner of Cyrix) power every single PC-based computer.
Motorola manufactures the G3 and G4 used by Apple, so you can't escape by getting a Mac.
Sun, along with IBM, are two of the major producers of servers for the internet.
The conclusion is clear- anyone who posts on the internet calling for a boycott is actually complicit in Zionist war crimes.
ZIONISTS, GET OFF THE INTERNET NOW!
Please help.
Im so used to talking with Israelis who believe Israel has no alternatives to its actions, I forgot that the real problem is the irrational hatred by the Israelis towards the arab population. Many Israelis seem to hold dehumanizing views about Palestinians that are worse than the views white South Africans held towards blacks under aparthied.
I am sick of people trying to equate 19th century imperialism with what is happening in the west bank and gaza. that was over a hundred years ago, get over it. It is a false analogy. We like to think civilization has advanced. In addition, the occupation of the west bank and gaza is a mere 35 years old, where as California was a state since the Polk presidency. It is hardly the same thing.
I'd like to think the world has advanced too... But I keep seeing pictures of restaurants and buses full of civilians who have been blown up with nail-bombs. Intentionally targeted no less.
And I would say some of the militant organizations can be counted in that list too.
And no it’s not just an Israel thing or Palestine thing, neither side has taken the higher ground or even truly made a move in that direction, both sides are equally guilty of using human lives as “entertainment” value. And yes, the world chooses sides, but it's not because this side is right and that side is wrong, but it comes more to politics and religion than ethics and morality.
People have a sense of ethics and morality that they try to hold up.
Let's see: one side targets civilians, especially children, the other side targets combatants and sometimes kills civilians when they are being used as human shields.
If you can't see one side taking a higher ground here, then you either stupid or a frank anti-Semite.
How many innocent Palestinians were directly targeted and had their houses demolished when their only crime was blood relation to a combatant?
Israelis pretend to take a moral high ground when all they have is a military high ground which lets them use more advanced weapons.
The South African government also made the lives of millions unbearable while tending to directly attack those who stood up for their own lives/rights. To claim the actions of a bully are morally superior to the those of one desperate for freedom is to have no morality at all.
He pronounces that " Let's see: one side targets civilians, especially children, the other side targets combatants and sometimes kills civilians when they are being used as human shields".
Apparently High has never heard of Sabra and Shatilla, Deir Yassin and Qana, all massacres of Palestinians civilians by Israelis and their paid thugs.
In all wars (and modern wars are the worse) the majority of all casualties are always civilians. The current Mideast conflict is no exception.
I wonder how High's twisted logic can explain the killing of 11 children and the wounding of 150 civilians by a 2,000 pound bomb dropped on a dense housing area in Gaza from an American F16. And, since this massacre was done at night, it's hard to believe High's paroting of IDF propaganda.
...Where Christian militias slaughtered Muslim civilian under Syrian orders. Their leaders have been exonerated by the Lebanese government and embraced by Syria.
> Shatilla
I have. Not a massacre by Israelis. The only crime was failing to heed the warning signs that this might happen. This is not the only instance of this world history, but is notorious because it was Israelis who failed to prevent the attacks. If it were some other nationality, (i.e the Dutch in Bosnia) no one would care. In fact, no one does care about the other similar instances when Israel was not involved.
> Deir Yassin and Qana
Not familiar with those. Sorry.
>I wonder how High's twisted logic can explain the
> killing of 11 children and the wounding of 150
> civilians by a 2,000 pound bomb dropped on a
> dense housing area in Gaza from an American F16.
> And, since this massacre was done at night, it's
> hard to believe High's paroting of IDF propaganda.
I wonder how Rene's twisted logic could explain a master terrorist responsible for exponentially more death and destruction hiding out in heavily civilian areas. I wonder how Rene would deal with such a terrorist given that multiple attempts at his neutralization had been aborted due to his constantly being surrounded by civilians. I wonder what Rene would say to the families of the people killed in the Passover Massacre and Dolphinarium bombings that wre organized by said terrrorist.
I wonder if Rene knows that it is illegal to hide out in civilian areas, and that it is perfectly legal to target someone in a civilian area even if it is known that civilians will be killed.
Finally, I wonder if Rene even cares that the longer this terrorist lived, the more civilians would be killed.
The bomb should have been dropped long ago. That it was not is testimony to Israel's restraint.
It is a matter of public record, having been reported by every major newspaper, that that particular slaughter was not simply a case of 'failing to prevent.' It is quite well known that the Christian Phalangists were transported, armed, and encouraged by the IDF. It is also a matter of fact that the IDF not only literally stood there and watched, they arrested the survivors.
me’s contribution was “...Where Christian militias slaughtered Muslim civilian under Syrian orders. Their leaders have been exonerated by the Lebanese government and embraced by Syria. “ This is a shameful distortion of history. How could this have been done under Syrian orders when the whole areas of the massacre was controlled 100% by the IDF
Also, High goes on to say that “I have. Not a massacre by Israelis. The only crime was failing to heed the warning signs that this might happen. This is not the only instance of this world history, but is notorious because it was Israelis who failed to prevent the attacks."
He further claims not to be familiar with Deir Yassin and Qana and that “...it is perfectly legal to target someone in a civilian area even if it is known that civilians will be killed. High, you should read the Geneva Convention a bit--it is quite clear that killing under such condition is illegal. The reason for that is that no military should not be believed when such excuses are made. The military never takes responsibility for their targeting of civilians--most of us know the usual excuses.
It seems that these two pro-Israeli individual should try to read a bit more about history before making unsupported comments. While the actual killing was done by the Christian militias murderers, it is idiotic to forget that they were armed and on the payroll of the IDF. It is also less than honest to not mention that the killing of the unarmed Palestinian women and children went on for 40 hours in an area that was surrounded by Israeli tanks, and with observers in positions overlooking the camps. Also let’s not forget in order to help with the killing the Israelis dropped flares at night to facilitate the massacre.
Once this atrocity became known even the people in Israel launched one of the largest demonstration ever in protest of this Beirut butchery. Regarding Qana, the evidence of civilian targeting by the IDF was so clear, every nation in the UN (excerpt one) voted to punish Israel for the war crimes.
Free Palestine
This is pretty funny, and I felt compelled to respond. Are you aware 'High" that assasinations are also considered to be illegal?
But aside from that, the question posed by te, Hobeika was the man who was leading the force that committed the masacre. And on the topic of assinations he was assinated in January, in quite an intersting way. The case against Sharon was being heard at the international court, as Sharon was the head of the IDF at the time. Hobeika said he would provide some startling testimony of the massacres that of course would be very incriminating for Sharon. About two days before he was going to go there his car was blown apart by a car parked on the street. It was detonated as Hobeika's car drove past. Israeli intelligence units have uysed this technique in the past for assasinations. THis is not to say for sure that they killed him as Hobeika had many enemies most notably ones in Syria.
For more info:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,3604,638902,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,638926,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,638927,00.html
te ask "What sort of punishment have the Lebanese involved in this massacre received?"
You should try reading my previous comments, since,maybe it will lead you to a more intelligent question. The Lebanese were only involved in one of the three massacres I referred to--and the commander Ellie Hobeika, who had worked with Sharon in that operation was assasinated by the Israelis on January 24, 2002. This was done to keep him from testifying in the Sharon war crime trial in Belgium.
Sharon, the IDF boss in the Sabra and Shatilla atrocity was forced to resign following the Kahan inquiry in Israel. The UN voted to punish Israel for the massacre at Quana, where is was proven that civilians were deliberately targeted--the U.S. was the only country to vote against that resolution. A veto vote was used. None of the IDF killers were ever punished as for as I know.
At Deir Yassin the story is a bit older but it is similar to the other two massacres. No Israeli was ever punished for the killings of innocent civilians. The town was completely bulldozed and the Israelis have eliminated it from the map.
Free Palestine
Mr. T does not like the comparisons made between Israeli settlers and people living in the US. Well, sorry Mr. T they are the same. If it's wrong in one context or at one time it should be wrong in general. Also, you seem to believe that there are statutes of limitation or time limits on these types of things. Why then does the left advocate reparations for slavery? Given your position, African Americans have not been slaves for over a hundered years and should "get over it." In short, you people are hypocrites. You apply one standard to allies and another to enemies.
Geneva Protocol. An agreement made by the nations of the world to put an end to certain things. Torture of POWs is one thing that it achieved. Another was to stop the seizure of land. It has been violated by countries other than Israel, but that does not excuse them, the same way murderer cannot be aquited on the grounds that other people have done it and gotten away with it. That sets up a time line for you. The agreement to stop doing it. I have no idea why that is so hard for you to grasp. Because the Mongols used pour molten silver in the eyes the kings they conquered does not make it okay to do it today, and what are we going to do, punish the citizens of mongolia for the acts of the Khans?
"Also, you seem to believe that there are statutes of limitation or time limits on these types of things. Why then does the left advocate reparations for slavery? Given your position, African Americans have not been slaves for over a hundered years and should "get over it." In short, you people are hypocrites. You apply one standard to allies and another to enemies."
Yes, I agree on limitations. I do not think it plagmatic or even plausible to go back and try to figure out who conquered whose land from the beginining. that would bring us back to pre-bronze age civilization and being so would cease to be possible. I never remember advocating reparitions for the great great great grand children of slaves. I seemed to miss where I was saying that. Do yourself a favor in the future do not assume things, take what I say and argue with it.
someone tell me
by te • Monday August 12, 2002 at 09:56 AM
What sort of punishment have the Lebanese involved in this massacre received?
You only mentioned one Lebanese, who was allegidly assasinated by Israel. Yet hundreds of Lebanese took part in this event. They were neither forced to do it or coerced by ISrael. They did it of their own free will and their hatred of the Palestinians.
The people carrying out the massacre were all Lebanese yet for self-serving purposes "activists" have tried to push a scenerio that would make one think Sharon marched into the camps by himself, or perhaps with some IDF thugs at his side, and mowed these people down. The Lebanese were involed with planning the invasion of the camp and were alone in carrying it out. So again, silly little propogandist Rene.... what sort of punishment and condemnation did the Lebanese involved receive for their actions from the Arab and Muslim community??
Your evidence that the car bomb was Israeli, as you state above as fact?
Your evidence that the motive actually was what you state above as fact?
Sure, speculation at the time pointed in the same direction, but there's a difference between speculation and established fact, and it should be honored. Not out of any love for the SOB Sharon, but for the sake of the truth.
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Since you have trouble reading, I will remind you that an ISRAELI investigation found him "personally responsible" for the attack. Hobeika himself was going to testify about Sharon's involvement before he was killed. This is not to say Sharon definitely had him killed, as Hobeika was a man that had many enemies in Syria, in Lebabon, in the PNA territory, and in Israel. Truthfully, nobody will ever know for sure.
Gehrig says “Sure, speculation at the time pointed in the same direction, but there's a difference between speculation and established fact, and it should be honored. Not out of any love for the SOB Sharon, but for the sake of the truth.’ That’s a valid point, however this story goes beyond mere speculation and neither of us should ignore the truth. The following facts will give you more info.
Ellie Hobeika and three other persons were assasinated on January 24, 2002, two days after having met three Belgians (two officials and a reporter) who had travelled to Lebanon to get more evidence regarding war crime charges against Ariel Sharon made by 23 Palestinians. Belgium has a unique system ( in the process of being modified) that allows war crime charges from anywhere in the world.
Hobeika was a hired gun who worked for the Israelis at the time of the Sabra and Shatilla massacres, where 800 to 3500 innocent Palestinian were slaughtered (Israelis and Palestinian have their own counts). In 1985 Hobeika changed hats and went to work for the Syrians where he prospered until returning to Lebanon in 1999.
Josy Dubie, the Belgian said that without a doubt the assassination was made to silence Hobeika, who said he would make revelations in the Sharon case. Emile Lahoud, the Lebanese president said that it was clear to him that Israel did not want Hobeika to testify at the Sharon trial in Belgium. Me Luc Walleyn one of the three lawyers for the Palestinians said the assassination was an obvious attempt to sabotage the trial.
I remember brief news about this assassination on U.S. TV. But the real story of this assassination wqas not covered. The Israelis have had a history of assassinating whomever they deem to be enemies--with or without proofs. Could this be another assassination done on orders from Sharon? The killing was very professional. Obviously, the Israelis have denounced all accusations as unfounded.
Regarding Te’s comments. He obviously suffers from extreme paranoia and is a bit confused. This is his logic? “ While I'm sure Sharon didn't mind one bit that doesn't make him responsible any more then the Arabs who are happy about Nazi genoicde against Jews are therefore responsible for the fact it happened.”
Gehgrig, since you question my speculations, what do you call Te’s racist bull?
Free Palestine
Yet we are left with "could this be." In other words, speculation.
"Regarding Te’s comments. He obviously suffers from extreme paranoia and is a bit confused. This is his logic? “ While I'm sure Sharon didn't mind one bit that doesn't make him responsible any more then the Arabs who are happy about Nazi genoicde against Jews are therefore responsible for the fact it happened.” "
His/her argument is that being happy about a death and being responsible for the death are two different things. Which is also my argument.
Incidentally, earlier Te also asked how Hobeika was punished by the Lebanese for his part in Sabra and Shatilla. The answer is that he was made Minister of Electric Power.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,638923,00.html
"Gehrig, since you question my speculations, what do you call Te’s racist bull?"
I'll admit, when I first read it I didn't parse the phrase "the Arabs who are happy about Nazi genocide" as "the Arabs (who are happy about Nazi genocide)" but as "the Arabs [i.e. those Arabs] who are happy about Nazi genocide" -- that is, I read the second clause as being restrictive. But I think the first parsing -- which would be a racist statement -- isn't unreasonable under the circumstances, and I think that Te should explain him/herself.
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maybe .. but the statement is nonetheless somewhat misleading and would cause alot of people to think that all Arabs are happy about Nazi genocide. I'm not saying thats what the author intended, however, he should be more responsible about his use of language. He might have put a bit more thought into and said "those Arabs who" rather than "the Arabs". Obviously this was not a priority.
If I had a dime for everyone someone on this post had made an analogously ambiguous statement that could be read to imply, say, that all Israelis support Sharon or all Zionists are racist or all Jews support Likud, I'd be able to buy Norway.
Better prose should be a priority for everyone.
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Races are not subject to generalizations because being a member of a race does not imply embrace of any particular set of values. Races are not political programmes, and do not have any inherent values or intentions. Thus you cannot say all Jews are Zionists; this would be a generalization. But you can say all Nazis are racist, as this is the core of the Nazi political programme. Under the principle of universal application, if Zionism were to embrace racist values, it would not be a generalization to say that all Zionists are racist.
In any case, you are trying to absolve the writer's responsibility and promote a statement you hope will induce racism, by justifying it with other examples of illogical arguments which have been made. How is it that two wrongs make a right?
Here are some guidelines for proper debate:
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html
And here is a good article that exposes the techniques of propaganda:
http://carmen.artsci.washington.edu/propaganda/wedge.htm
An analysis, yes. An accurate analysis, not necessarily. That depends on the supporting arguments.
Maybe you'd like to start by defining your terms. Different people mean different things when they use the term "Zionism." What do _you_ mean by it?
-- "Under the principle of universal application, if Zionism were to embrace racist values, it would not be a generalization to say that all Zionists are racist."
But to justify the statement that "Zionism embraces racist values," you would have to demonstrate that racism was in fact embraced _as a political
principle_ by all self-described Zionists, wouldn't you?
Otherwise you can't justify moving from "Zionists" to "Zionism" itself. That would be going from the specific to the general -- one of the things they zinged Socrates for. The existence of racist Zionists doesn't make being a Zionist inherently racist, any more than the existence of racist Libertarians makes being a Libertarian inherently racist.
-- "In any case, you are trying to absolve the writer's responsibility and promote a statement you hope will induce racism, by justifying it with other examples of illogical arguments which have been made. How is it that two wrongs make a right?"
Ah. I'm "promoting a statement [I] hope will induce racism"? I "hope" to "induce racism"? Do you really believe that this is my intention, and on what basis?
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principle_ by all self-described Zionists, wouldn't you?"
Not exactly, you could say that Zionism itself is inherently racist as you could talk about Herzel et al. as people who wanted to created a Jewish state that is inhabited exclusively by Jews. Switch this to a white person who wants a state only inhabited by white christian protestants. We generally in American rhetoric would call this racist, and for good reason.
Zionism in its proper context would mean just that, a person who believes in the priniciples of Zionist philosophy as stated by Herzel and Co. However, the exact meaning of Zionism actually becomes skewed, and sort of reshaped since then because now some people will say to be a Zionist means that you believe Israel should have the right to exist.
But as for Israel's right to exist, I think here we have to look beyond and see what they mean by that. Israel's right to exist as an ethnic state, where, say, Arabs are barred from certain public offices de jure or de facto? If so, Zionism could still be construed as racist. If on the other hand, Zionist supporters were overwhelmingly in favour of and Zionist parties supported political doctrines of ethnic and religious equality in the Israeli state, then Zionism could not be said to be racist, whatever its origins. With no proof - merely a personal belief - I will say I am suspicious that this is not the case.
I will make myself abundantly clear here though and say that I fully support the right of all current residents of the area called Israel or Palestine, whether Jewish or Palestinian, to live with dignity, rights, security, with freedom to practice religion, etc etc etc, and to continue to live in that land indefinately.
honesty will set you free ness. whose honesty? yours.