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Amazing Judi Bari Juror Interview
This is a really amazing interview with a juror from the Judi Bari trial. Just goes to show ... some people know what time it is, other people don't.
Bari Juror Speaks
A TRUE, TRUE BELIEVER:
by Hank Sims
Last week, Judge Claudia Wilken lifted the gag order she had placed on the jury that awarded Darryl Cherney and the estate of Judi Bari $4.4 million in their civil rights lawsuit against the FBI and the Oakland Police Department. The week previous, the judge had heard arguments from an attorney representing the San Francisco Chronicle and the Oakland Tribune challenging the order.
The AVA had a long conversation with juror Mary Nunn of Oakley on Monday, excerpts of which follow. Nunn, the only juror who has agreed to discuss the case with the media in any detail, was by her own reckoning the staunchest supporter of the Earth First! case in the deliberation room. She is an American Airlines ticket agent.
Nunn: There were a couple of individuals who came from -- I don't know -- protected environments that were on our jury. They're just kind of far removed from the things that are happening today. That doesn't make them bad, it's just that they haven't been exposed to much. As a result, they don't view things the same way.
AVA: It's one of those kinds of experiences when you come into contact with people that you wouldn't normally, in your regular life.
Nunn: Exactly. Although I make exchanges with all kinds of people every day -- they're quick, fast, to the point and over with, do you know what I mean? And although I probably deal all the time with people like some of the individuals that were on this jury, I would never know because I don't jet into intimate conversations with them dealing with issues such as these.
I brought a lot of life experiences to the table. I brought... just a lot of life in general, from how I thought about the case and how they [Bari and Cherney] were treated. Some people, you know, they didn't have that to fall back on.
AVA: What kind of experiences do you mean?
Nunn: I don't know. I was raised in foster homes, and in very diverse neighborhoods. I lived in the projects. I've seen a lot of things. And -- I don't know -- I've been subjected to many things. I think in comparison to living in, say, upper-crust Lafayette, where you live in a protected environment, where there's not much crime where the police don't come into your neighborhood, where you're far removed from such ventures.
It's hard for someone like that to make that jump to the idea where a policeman might not be abiding by the rules at all times. There were a few people who found it very inconceivable that a policeman or an FBI agent would risk their jobs to do these things -- to put their job on the line. What they never understood is that [the cops'] jobs were never on the line. They couldn't understand that. They never understood that that was never an issue.
AVA: Your view is that this wasn't just a mistake by the FBI?
Nunn: I think there were many different factors. I think this group had a reputation -- or a supposed reputation. [FBI Agent Frank] Doyle was on the scene very fast, and he influenced the Oakland police. They listened to him. And hence, it sabotaged the whole thing from that point onward. [Bari and Cherney) were considered this terrorist group, which in fact they weren't, and they were treated as such. They were arrested within hours, and home-searched by FBI helicopters. I thought it was outlandish. And in two months' time, the district attorney also said that it was outlandish and threw it all out. You see? It was just too much of a jump, and there was nothing ever really there.
AVA: But do you think it was malicious? Do you think Doyle was out to besmirch their reputation?
Nunn: I think that to continue searching, and not to give it up... I mean, they could have let them go. See, they did everything backwards. They arrested them and then they went out investigating, via the search. When they should have searched first. They should have investigated before they arrested them. Especially in Judi's case. Judi wasn't going anywhere. The poor woman was in surgery. She wasn't going anywhere. There was no rush to do anything.
***
Nunn: I was in the line checking in some people, and one of the people I checked in was friends with one of the FBI's attorneys. He started asking me questions about the case. He asked me what I thought about the attorneys. I told him the attorneys were neither here nor there, for me. Well, they were, but that wasn't one of the fundamentals of the case. It was the facts of the case and how it was handled. It wasn't, ultimately, about whether they shmoozed me or not- which they didn't.
He asked me how we responded to their attorneys. They were of the feeling that we didn't like them very much.
AVA: This was just chance? They recognized you, they had seen part of the case or something?
Nunn: They were flying on my airline.
AVA: But they must have recognized you somehow.
Nunn: They recognized me, yes.
AVA: So what did you think of the attorneys, then?
Nunn: For which side?
AVA: Well, let's start with Mr. Sher and Mr. Barghaan, the FBI attorneys.
Nunn: Well, do you know the word "generic?" Their personalities tended to be generic -- bland. They weren't appealing. They didn't make a connection with as. They weren't ones you warm up with, huh? As opposed to maybe Cunningham. Cunningham had this boyish charm. He made us giggle, he made us laugh. We liked his innocence and his fumblings. It looked so innocent. It may not have been, but we enjoyed him. We earnestly liked him. We thought he was cute. He was adorable! He was an older man, but he was adorable, the way he carries himself and his appeal. He was very appealing, and that's important in trials.
AVA: Mr. Serra?
Nunn: I personally had a lot of respect for Mr. Serra. A lot of the jurors were conservative -- very conservative, many of them, maybe even Republicans. It took us a lot to get what we got in that room, believe me. But I could relate to Mr. Serra, given that I've been to Baptist churches many times. So I could relate to him, but to them Mr. Serra was preaching, so to speak. I responded to him. He was passionate. He was moved, you see: So I personally could relate to him, but not everyone could. They thought he was standing before a pulpit almost.
I liked his style, I like his tactics. But my favorite, my favorite of all, was Mr. Bloom. I never saw such a suave man.
AVA: Is that so?
Nunn: I would sit in my chair and privately say to myself, "Go to work, Mr. Bloom." Okay? Because that was exactly what he was doing. He was just suave, the way he brought things out! He was good!
AVA: He ended up squabbling with the judge a couple of times, huh?
Nunn: Oh, so what. You have to understand something. The judge represents the law. The FBI represents the law. The cops represent the law. So there's some things you have to wonder about, do you understand? In some respect, she may -- in her own right, not trying to be blatant about it she may have had some partiality toward them, you understated? You have to understand that these people are part of her forum, in the sense that they all represent the law. You see? Right?
AVA: What was the hang-up on Mr. Cherney's arrest?
Nunn: The hang-up was not that they had something or didn't have something -- we never felt that they had something on these people, and no one in that room felt that they were carrying the bomb. Not one. We had one individual in that room who felt that, given the time, and given the things they found in [Cherney's] van -- the rebar and whatnot [part of a road-spiking kit, according to Cherney, which was given to him and which he intended to put to different uses] -- this particular individual surmised that it wasn't as much of a rush.
But see, they should have let them go. They should have let him go that last night. I'm one of the ones that hung that up. The reason why I did, is that I wanted him to have that to retry again if he wanted to. That hurt me, that he didn't get that. He deserved it. He was a passenger for God's sakes! Think about that. He was a passenger. It just wasn't justified. But we couldn't get [another juror] to come on board with it. We did get her to come on board with many, many other things. It was give and take.
AVA: Another thing that was interesting about the verdict: in every case where you found for both Judi and Darryl, you ended up awarding Judi more money.
Nunn: I didn't agree with that. I didn't agree with the money at all. I wanted very high money. I wanted $40 million -- I didn't want that low number. But the richest woman on our jury -- the one that wore the Rolex -- only wanted $100,000. And we did an average. That's why the number dropped so severely.
I also kept telling them within the jury that if any time Darryl dropped below a million, then I'm not playing any more. I'll hang this whole thing up, and we won't have any verdict. We'll give this to someone more worthy of delivering. I was very adamant about that.
They never reinstated his life. They arrested him, they smeared him in the media. Nobody wanted to be attached to him anymore. They ripped his whole character. It was horrible! If someone locked me up for five days, my dogs would die.
Why did Judi get more? I didn't agree with that I thought it should be even, and I wanted really large money.
AVA: Do you know why other people wanted to give Judi more?
Nunn: I think she was painted so larger than life. She was mentioned so much more -- everything was "Judi, Judi, Judi." I knew why it was. I knew it was because she had surpassed this life. I don't know -- just that she was injured more, because she had children, because they were left without her. I don't know.
Let me explain something to you. In our deliberations, nobody wanted to talk money. In three weeks, nobody wanted to talk money. They wouldn't. And all this time, I kept saying, "We need to talk about money."
This verdict is about money. They kept rehashing this stuff: who's going to be responsible? We had to go through every article, bring out the significance. Who contributed to what, and to what percentile. We had to give a percentile before we even got to an amount!
Nunn: They're pretty scary people, the FBI.
AVA: You thought so?
Nunn: Well, they're very powerful. I think they have the ability to hurt you if they want to. I think they have the ability and power to bring you down if they want to, absolutely.
AVA: Were some of the FBI people you saw on the stand scarier than others?
Nunn: Scarier? I wouldn't say so much scary. I wouldn't want to be them when they go to meet their maker, how's that? They can do whatever they want on this Earth. My only consolation is that I won't share Heaven with folks like that.
So, scared? No. I'm not scared of mortal man. I'm really not. I grew up in a project home. I was the only white girl within a ten-mile radius. No, I'm not a scared type, even with an FBI agent, do you know what I mean? I'm not intimidated in that way. I respect the law, because I think it's necessary. We'd have chaos without it. But do I believe that a remote few abuse it? Absolutely. I know they do.
***
Nunn: Here you had the people of Earth First. They come and they take the stand -- very, very demure character, very submissive -- the judge would say something like, "You need to answer that." "Oh, yes, your honor." No arrogance at all. When they spoke of things, when they reflected on their projects and their plights, they didn't have all that anger and all that crud going on. When actually, they were more deserving of it.
They were different people. They were a people that exuded love and warmth and good feeling, and you could feel that from across the room. I didn't have to shake their hand or know their names. Do you understand me? I felt that in the room. That's all they had.
They just weren't the type. These people are people that protect our environment. The things we take for granted are their whole way of life, do you understand me? That doesn't go hand-in-hand with going out and bombing somebody. People who go so far to protect a tree, they wouldn't dare hurt something that's got blood flowing through it, you understand? It doesn't fit!
And these people, it's almost like they had an aura about them, or a light about them... A light! A light. A goodness that flows from them.
AVA: You could sense it?
Nunn: Like a spiritual thing. They were beautiful! I wanted to run away and become one of them. I'm not kidding! I mean, I was really impressed. They were just beautiful people. They were gorgeous. I was checking them out to and fro the courtroom. They were great people. One time I was in line waiting to get in. and they were concerned about Darryl getting his diabetic medication. Did he have a sweet? They brought him a bagel, they said. And I said to myself [whispers] "that's gorgeous."
People took time out of their day -- they gave up their income, they were there every day. They were faithful, they were loyal. Who's got friends like that? I've got one or two, but I don't have a hundred and fifty. What does that say about this? That he doesn't have good spirit and good character, to have people such as that? That come every day? Those FBI agents didn't have that.
I adored the whole group. I adored Darryl Cherney, I adored the beautiful daughter [Lisa Bari]. I'm feeling very gypped that I never got the pleasure of absorbing Judi Bari within the courtroom. I felt doubly gypped -- and so did many others of us -- that we couldn't go and and meet with them after the verdict and celebrate with them.
You know, there were quite a few people that were really working in there. And we had a lot to work up against. We had some real conservatives. Yeah, yeah, we won them over, but it was a fight, it was a battle, it was a challenge, but we did it. We got the job done. Because we were passionate.
I cared deeply about what was going to happen to them. As a matter of fact, when I was driving home I used to say, out loud, "I got your back, Judi. It ain't going to go down the way they think it is." I used to say this on the way home, and I don't even know her, do you know what I'm saying? But did I want to fight for her? Yeah, you better believe it.
AVA: That's amazing.
Nunn: It's not amazing at all. You gotta stand for something or you're going to fall for anything. You understand me? When you see evil and you see good, you'd better get with the good. I don't belong to any organized religion, believe me, but I have a very intimate relationship with my Father in Heaven. And I believe very much that he watches us and acknowledges us, and that it's important what we do. I think we're accountable for our actions, in the end. And not only that -- do you want me to tell you the most important thing of all?
AVA: What's that?
Nunn: A lot of people don't know this. It just feels good. There's no better high in all the world than to do good. It warms your whole heart up. You carry it with you all day, and you can't even buy a drug that will give you that.
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A TRUE, TRUE BELIEVER:
by Hank Sims
Last week, Judge Claudia Wilken lifted the gag order she had placed on the jury that awarded Darryl Cherney and the estate of Judi Bari $4.4 million in their civil rights lawsuit against the FBI and the Oakland Police Department. The week previous, the judge had heard arguments from an attorney representing the San Francisco Chronicle and the Oakland Tribune challenging the order.
The AVA had a long conversation with juror Mary Nunn of Oakley on Monday, excerpts of which follow. Nunn, the only juror who has agreed to discuss the case with the media in any detail, was by her own reckoning the staunchest supporter of the Earth First! case in the deliberation room. She is an American Airlines ticket agent.
Nunn: There were a couple of individuals who came from -- I don't know -- protected environments that were on our jury. They're just kind of far removed from the things that are happening today. That doesn't make them bad, it's just that they haven't been exposed to much. As a result, they don't view things the same way.
AVA: It's one of those kinds of experiences when you come into contact with people that you wouldn't normally, in your regular life.
Nunn: Exactly. Although I make exchanges with all kinds of people every day -- they're quick, fast, to the point and over with, do you know what I mean? And although I probably deal all the time with people like some of the individuals that were on this jury, I would never know because I don't jet into intimate conversations with them dealing with issues such as these.
I brought a lot of life experiences to the table. I brought... just a lot of life in general, from how I thought about the case and how they [Bari and Cherney] were treated. Some people, you know, they didn't have that to fall back on.
AVA: What kind of experiences do you mean?
Nunn: I don't know. I was raised in foster homes, and in very diverse neighborhoods. I lived in the projects. I've seen a lot of things. And -- I don't know -- I've been subjected to many things. I think in comparison to living in, say, upper-crust Lafayette, where you live in a protected environment, where there's not much crime where the police don't come into your neighborhood, where you're far removed from such ventures.
It's hard for someone like that to make that jump to the idea where a policeman might not be abiding by the rules at all times. There were a few people who found it very inconceivable that a policeman or an FBI agent would risk their jobs to do these things -- to put their job on the line. What they never understood is that [the cops'] jobs were never on the line. They couldn't understand that. They never understood that that was never an issue.
AVA: Your view is that this wasn't just a mistake by the FBI?
Nunn: I think there were many different factors. I think this group had a reputation -- or a supposed reputation. [FBI Agent Frank] Doyle was on the scene very fast, and he influenced the Oakland police. They listened to him. And hence, it sabotaged the whole thing from that point onward. [Bari and Cherney) were considered this terrorist group, which in fact they weren't, and they were treated as such. They were arrested within hours, and home-searched by FBI helicopters. I thought it was outlandish. And in two months' time, the district attorney also said that it was outlandish and threw it all out. You see? It was just too much of a jump, and there was nothing ever really there.
AVA: But do you think it was malicious? Do you think Doyle was out to besmirch their reputation?
Nunn: I think that to continue searching, and not to give it up... I mean, they could have let them go. See, they did everything backwards. They arrested them and then they went out investigating, via the search. When they should have searched first. They should have investigated before they arrested them. Especially in Judi's case. Judi wasn't going anywhere. The poor woman was in surgery. She wasn't going anywhere. There was no rush to do anything.
***
Nunn: I was in the line checking in some people, and one of the people I checked in was friends with one of the FBI's attorneys. He started asking me questions about the case. He asked me what I thought about the attorneys. I told him the attorneys were neither here nor there, for me. Well, they were, but that wasn't one of the fundamentals of the case. It was the facts of the case and how it was handled. It wasn't, ultimately, about whether they shmoozed me or not- which they didn't.
He asked me how we responded to their attorneys. They were of the feeling that we didn't like them very much.
AVA: This was just chance? They recognized you, they had seen part of the case or something?
Nunn: They were flying on my airline.
AVA: But they must have recognized you somehow.
Nunn: They recognized me, yes.
AVA: So what did you think of the attorneys, then?
Nunn: For which side?
AVA: Well, let's start with Mr. Sher and Mr. Barghaan, the FBI attorneys.
Nunn: Well, do you know the word "generic?" Their personalities tended to be generic -- bland. They weren't appealing. They didn't make a connection with as. They weren't ones you warm up with, huh? As opposed to maybe Cunningham. Cunningham had this boyish charm. He made us giggle, he made us laugh. We liked his innocence and his fumblings. It looked so innocent. It may not have been, but we enjoyed him. We earnestly liked him. We thought he was cute. He was adorable! He was an older man, but he was adorable, the way he carries himself and his appeal. He was very appealing, and that's important in trials.
AVA: Mr. Serra?
Nunn: I personally had a lot of respect for Mr. Serra. A lot of the jurors were conservative -- very conservative, many of them, maybe even Republicans. It took us a lot to get what we got in that room, believe me. But I could relate to Mr. Serra, given that I've been to Baptist churches many times. So I could relate to him, but to them Mr. Serra was preaching, so to speak. I responded to him. He was passionate. He was moved, you see: So I personally could relate to him, but not everyone could. They thought he was standing before a pulpit almost.
I liked his style, I like his tactics. But my favorite, my favorite of all, was Mr. Bloom. I never saw such a suave man.
AVA: Is that so?
Nunn: I would sit in my chair and privately say to myself, "Go to work, Mr. Bloom." Okay? Because that was exactly what he was doing. He was just suave, the way he brought things out! He was good!
AVA: He ended up squabbling with the judge a couple of times, huh?
Nunn: Oh, so what. You have to understand something. The judge represents the law. The FBI represents the law. The cops represent the law. So there's some things you have to wonder about, do you understand? In some respect, she may -- in her own right, not trying to be blatant about it she may have had some partiality toward them, you understated? You have to understand that these people are part of her forum, in the sense that they all represent the law. You see? Right?
AVA: What was the hang-up on Mr. Cherney's arrest?
Nunn: The hang-up was not that they had something or didn't have something -- we never felt that they had something on these people, and no one in that room felt that they were carrying the bomb. Not one. We had one individual in that room who felt that, given the time, and given the things they found in [Cherney's] van -- the rebar and whatnot [part of a road-spiking kit, according to Cherney, which was given to him and which he intended to put to different uses] -- this particular individual surmised that it wasn't as much of a rush.
But see, they should have let them go. They should have let him go that last night. I'm one of the ones that hung that up. The reason why I did, is that I wanted him to have that to retry again if he wanted to. That hurt me, that he didn't get that. He deserved it. He was a passenger for God's sakes! Think about that. He was a passenger. It just wasn't justified. But we couldn't get [another juror] to come on board with it. We did get her to come on board with many, many other things. It was give and take.
AVA: Another thing that was interesting about the verdict: in every case where you found for both Judi and Darryl, you ended up awarding Judi more money.
Nunn: I didn't agree with that. I didn't agree with the money at all. I wanted very high money. I wanted $40 million -- I didn't want that low number. But the richest woman on our jury -- the one that wore the Rolex -- only wanted $100,000. And we did an average. That's why the number dropped so severely.
I also kept telling them within the jury that if any time Darryl dropped below a million, then I'm not playing any more. I'll hang this whole thing up, and we won't have any verdict. We'll give this to someone more worthy of delivering. I was very adamant about that.
They never reinstated his life. They arrested him, they smeared him in the media. Nobody wanted to be attached to him anymore. They ripped his whole character. It was horrible! If someone locked me up for five days, my dogs would die.
Why did Judi get more? I didn't agree with that I thought it should be even, and I wanted really large money.
AVA: Do you know why other people wanted to give Judi more?
Nunn: I think she was painted so larger than life. She was mentioned so much more -- everything was "Judi, Judi, Judi." I knew why it was. I knew it was because she had surpassed this life. I don't know -- just that she was injured more, because she had children, because they were left without her. I don't know.
Let me explain something to you. In our deliberations, nobody wanted to talk money. In three weeks, nobody wanted to talk money. They wouldn't. And all this time, I kept saying, "We need to talk about money."
This verdict is about money. They kept rehashing this stuff: who's going to be responsible? We had to go through every article, bring out the significance. Who contributed to what, and to what percentile. We had to give a percentile before we even got to an amount!
Nunn: They're pretty scary people, the FBI.
AVA: You thought so?
Nunn: Well, they're very powerful. I think they have the ability to hurt you if they want to. I think they have the ability and power to bring you down if they want to, absolutely.
AVA: Were some of the FBI people you saw on the stand scarier than others?
Nunn: Scarier? I wouldn't say so much scary. I wouldn't want to be them when they go to meet their maker, how's that? They can do whatever they want on this Earth. My only consolation is that I won't share Heaven with folks like that.
So, scared? No. I'm not scared of mortal man. I'm really not. I grew up in a project home. I was the only white girl within a ten-mile radius. No, I'm not a scared type, even with an FBI agent, do you know what I mean? I'm not intimidated in that way. I respect the law, because I think it's necessary. We'd have chaos without it. But do I believe that a remote few abuse it? Absolutely. I know they do.
***
Nunn: Here you had the people of Earth First. They come and they take the stand -- very, very demure character, very submissive -- the judge would say something like, "You need to answer that." "Oh, yes, your honor." No arrogance at all. When they spoke of things, when they reflected on their projects and their plights, they didn't have all that anger and all that crud going on. When actually, they were more deserving of it.
They were different people. They were a people that exuded love and warmth and good feeling, and you could feel that from across the room. I didn't have to shake their hand or know their names. Do you understand me? I felt that in the room. That's all they had.
They just weren't the type. These people are people that protect our environment. The things we take for granted are their whole way of life, do you understand me? That doesn't go hand-in-hand with going out and bombing somebody. People who go so far to protect a tree, they wouldn't dare hurt something that's got blood flowing through it, you understand? It doesn't fit!
And these people, it's almost like they had an aura about them, or a light about them... A light! A light. A goodness that flows from them.
AVA: You could sense it?
Nunn: Like a spiritual thing. They were beautiful! I wanted to run away and become one of them. I'm not kidding! I mean, I was really impressed. They were just beautiful people. They were gorgeous. I was checking them out to and fro the courtroom. They were great people. One time I was in line waiting to get in. and they were concerned about Darryl getting his diabetic medication. Did he have a sweet? They brought him a bagel, they said. And I said to myself [whispers] "that's gorgeous."
People took time out of their day -- they gave up their income, they were there every day. They were faithful, they were loyal. Who's got friends like that? I've got one or two, but I don't have a hundred and fifty. What does that say about this? That he doesn't have good spirit and good character, to have people such as that? That come every day? Those FBI agents didn't have that.
I adored the whole group. I adored Darryl Cherney, I adored the beautiful daughter [Lisa Bari]. I'm feeling very gypped that I never got the pleasure of absorbing Judi Bari within the courtroom. I felt doubly gypped -- and so did many others of us -- that we couldn't go and and meet with them after the verdict and celebrate with them.
You know, there were quite a few people that were really working in there. And we had a lot to work up against. We had some real conservatives. Yeah, yeah, we won them over, but it was a fight, it was a battle, it was a challenge, but we did it. We got the job done. Because we were passionate.
I cared deeply about what was going to happen to them. As a matter of fact, when I was driving home I used to say, out loud, "I got your back, Judi. It ain't going to go down the way they think it is." I used to say this on the way home, and I don't even know her, do you know what I'm saying? But did I want to fight for her? Yeah, you better believe it.
AVA: That's amazing.
Nunn: It's not amazing at all. You gotta stand for something or you're going to fall for anything. You understand me? When you see evil and you see good, you'd better get with the good. I don't belong to any organized religion, believe me, but I have a very intimate relationship with my Father in Heaven. And I believe very much that he watches us and acknowledges us, and that it's important what we do. I think we're accountable for our actions, in the end. And not only that -- do you want me to tell you the most important thing of all?
AVA: What's that?
Nunn: A lot of people don't know this. It just feels good. There's no better high in all the world than to do good. It warms your whole heart up. You carry it with you all day, and you can't even buy a drug that will give you that.
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The workers of the world say thank you, Mary Nunn. It is because Oakland is likely to have many workingclass jurors like Mary Nunn that the government, insurance companies and all other anti-labor outfits try to avoid Oakland juries. This case went through about 3 appeals, I believe. Then they tried to settle. I wondered about the comparatively low verdict. Sure enough, the rich were the problem!
Thank you, Mary Nunn, for your outstanding contribution to the struggle. I hope you now do some reading about the FBI. It is America's secret police, founded to smash labor and the socialists and others who organize the workingclass. It does not exist to fight crime at all; it perpetrates crime. I am sure if the judge had allowed the history of the FBI to be stated, you would have understood that. The books are in the library as criticisms of the FBI and in all labor history books.
All power to the workingclass.
Thank you, Mary Nunn, for your outstanding contribution to the struggle. I hope you now do some reading about the FBI. It is America's secret police, founded to smash labor and the socialists and others who organize the workingclass. It does not exist to fight crime at all; it perpetrates crime. I am sure if the judge had allowed the history of the FBI to be stated, you would have understood that. The books are in the library as criticisms of the FBI and in all labor history books.
All power to the workingclass.
Since it isn't spelled out in the article, AVA stands for Anderson Valley Advertiser..Anyone who cares about well-written, independent media should already have a subscription. If you haven't checked it out, the address is 12451 Anderson Valley Way, Boonville, CA 95415 (and don't be cheap, send a couple of bucks for a sample copy). It's also available around town at selected book stores and news stands (Naked Eye, Modern Times, Bound Together etc.).
Thank you Mary Nunn. I hope to one day have the pleasure of meeting you. You are more than welcome to come to Humboldt County to feel the awesome power of the redwood forest and learn what you can do to help defend them from corporate slaughter. People like you give me hope in the world. The interconnectedness of reality, nature/ the universe, is all powerful and cannot be destroyed by greedy people. The meek shall inherit the Earth!
Everyone stay strong during these corrupt times.
Everyone stay strong during these corrupt times.
Thank you Mary Nunn. I hope to one day have the pleasure of meeting you. You are more than welcome to come to Humboldt County to feel the awesome power of the redwood forest and learn what you can do to help defend them from corporate slaughter. People like you give me hope in the world. The interconnectedness of reality, nature/ the universe, is all powerful and cannot be destroyed by greedy people. The meek shall inherit the Earth!
Everyone stay strong during these corrupt times.
Everyone stay strong during these corrupt times.
Re: Gordon Zola's comment. This juror's words go against everything Bruce Anderson and reporter Hank Sims said about the case and the lawyers for both sides. Look at the mocking headline he put on the interview. "A true, true believer." That's because the only way he can rationalize the juror's comments is to think she must be a true believer, a person who clings to a preconceived belief in spite of clear evidence and logic to the contrary. Anderson's perspective is so biased that he thinks anyone reading what the juror said would agree with him that she's a true believer and a fool. For years he called the Bari vs. FBI suit a fraud and a scam, and all the lawyers total incompetents. He still thinks so in spite of unanimous jury verdicts and the juror's comments that prove him wrong. So Bruce Anderson is the one who's a true, true believer.
Yet, here we are discussing an article/interview that appeared in his paper. So basically you're saying that he's a "true beiever" who will actually print things he disagrees with in the service of reporting the news.
Kinda like what a independent newspaper should be, eh?
Kinda like what a independent newspaper should be, eh?
Yet, here we are discussing an article/interview that appeared in his paper. So basically you're saying that he's a "true beiever" who will actually print things he disagrees with in the service of reporting the news.
Kinda like what a independent newspaper should be, eh?
Kinda like what a independent newspaper should be, eh?
This article was stolen from the pages of the Anderson Valley Advertiser (Wednesday, July 10,2002, page one) This repost is crudely done, full of typographical errors, and constitutes just another in a long series of copyright infringements by Deadbeat Darryl Cherney. <http://www.flatlandbooks.com> But then Cherney never pays for anything. He's the Criminal Prince of Earth First, a megaspoiled New York brat who thinks the world owes him a living. (he even fancies himself a musical talent which is another indicator of his delusional behaviour.) <http://www.counterpunch.org> Think Darryl will ever post a reward for the bombing. Not too likely,as he would have to pay it over to Ed Gehrman who has solved the case by exposing Bari's ex Michael Emmet Sweeney as the perp! <http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com> The fact that the jury made an award only makes Cherney and Bari's ECOFRAUD scam of a lawsuit just that more breathtaking. If and when this case is ever retried on appeal, the Cherney Cultists may finally be exposed. <http://www.efmedia.org>
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If the ex-husband planted the bomb wouldn't he had to have been in the area during the time of the bombing because it was a motion triggered bomb? Let's face it, the FBI is finally exposed for the lying murdering thieves that they are. If the FBI didn't plant the bomb they surely as well didn't have any intentions in finding the true perpetrator or protecting Judi from whoever was giving her death threats.
No, Gordon, Anderson didn't print an interview he disagreed with in the service of reporting the news. Anderson printed it with a headline mocking the juror because he thought his readers would agree with him that the juror was a fool for finding in favor (along with every other juror) of Bari and Cherney. He may be right about his readers agreeing, but that's because they have been barraged with years of Anderson's bashing and trashing of Judi Bari, Darryl Cherney, Earth First! and their supporters and lawyers.
Anderson himself didn't attend a single day of the trial, but that doesn't stop him from pontificating about the case and the verdict. He's wrong about the facts of the case, but he doesn't care about facts. That much is obvious to anyone with a brain who looks at the AVA.
Anderson never even prints a letter to the editor he disagrees with unless he can follow it immediately with a boldfaced editorial reply at least twice as long as the letter he's answering.
Anderson himself didn't attend a single day of the trial, but that doesn't stop him from pontificating about the case and the verdict. He's wrong about the facts of the case, but he doesn't care about facts. That much is obvious to anyone with a brain who looks at the AVA.
Anderson never even prints a letter to the editor he disagrees with unless he can follow it immediately with a boldfaced editorial reply at least twice as long as the letter he's answering.
So what if Bruce Anderson didn't go to one day of the trial - he only hired Hank Sims who gave us the best and most comprehensive writeup of any reporter covering this coutroom. Bari herself wrote for the Anderson Valley Advertiser for years. Bari's husband did it, so get over it. <http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com>
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The AVA is a tabloid journal. It ranks up there with the National Enquire and the other trashy newspapers you find at mainstream grocery stores checkout counters. Who cares what he has to say. Bruce's latest vendetta is to sue local business's for not advertising in his paper. Gee, maybe the local business's think he's a wacko and isn't worthy of advertising in. Obviously, Bruce believes he has other grounds to sue those business's, but who really cares. Judi and Darryl's names were cleared, the FBI and OPD screwed them over and the jury saw right through their lies.
Get over it, the AVA myths are just that, myths with no factual background. oh the poor sonoma free press... blah blah blah... People are tired of your wining. Listen to the jury. They were presented the evidence and provided some small justice.
After all, since the old growth voter initiative lost by a percent and a half in 1990, they've only cut six billion dollars in timber. Aren't kids killing each other over a 100 dollar pair of nikes on street corners these days. So, no I don't buy the ex husband myth. I think it was big business(the timber/paper industry is the third or fourth largest industry in the world) mixed in with some crooked cops who tryed to kill Judi, and Darryl happen to be fodder in that plot.
Why hasn't the Head of LP security and Frank Doyle been investigated for the bombing? You mean to tell me Dyole happened to be looking for a apron for his daughter a half hour away from his office in SF. Why couldn't he have been buying the apron in San Fran. Yet he shows up on the scene of the bombing in ten fifteen minutes following the explosion. Mr. Doyle may not have planted the bomb, but he sure knew who did and did everything he could to steer the investigation away from his cronies in the timber industry.
Come on get real, there was big dollars at stake and anyone who couldn't see that is blinded by the facts I guess.
Get over it, the AVA myths are just that, myths with no factual background. oh the poor sonoma free press... blah blah blah... People are tired of your wining. Listen to the jury. They were presented the evidence and provided some small justice.
After all, since the old growth voter initiative lost by a percent and a half in 1990, they've only cut six billion dollars in timber. Aren't kids killing each other over a 100 dollar pair of nikes on street corners these days. So, no I don't buy the ex husband myth. I think it was big business(the timber/paper industry is the third or fourth largest industry in the world) mixed in with some crooked cops who tryed to kill Judi, and Darryl happen to be fodder in that plot.
Why hasn't the Head of LP security and Frank Doyle been investigated for the bombing? You mean to tell me Dyole happened to be looking for a apron for his daughter a half hour away from his office in SF. Why couldn't he have been buying the apron in San Fran. Yet he shows up on the scene of the bombing in ten fifteen minutes following the explosion. Mr. Doyle may not have planted the bomb, but he sure knew who did and did everything he could to steer the investigation away from his cronies in the timber industry.
Come on get real, there was big dollars at stake and anyone who couldn't see that is blinded by the facts I guess.
For more information:
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That's a first.
Re: Pam
The idea that Ed Gehrman "solved the case" is ludicrous. Ed's information came from Irv Sutley, one of the chief bombing suspects, a shify eyed, uzi-toting, police informant, and possible deep-cover agent who was trying to clear his name, if not outright undermine the integrity of Judi's case against his buddies in FBI. His "information" about Sweeney sounded very much like it originated in the FBI files themselves. For example, one of Sutley/Ghermans (then Bruce Andersons') allegations/smears is associating Sweeney with "Maoists" at Stanford who used pipe bombs against people they opposed in the late 60's early 70's. Of course they offer no proof of this allegation. But they love to parrot it. How did Sutley/Gherman get ahold of this tid-bit of history? Is Sutley some sort of private eye who goes and digs up this shit from the historical record, or is it fed to him from the FBI files where it most likely originated. Think about it! Did the Stanford "Maoists" really use pipe bombs against people, and was Sweeney one of them, how would you find out? The FBI is the likely source for this info. Maoists on campus were certainly monitored back then, as they would be today by FBI. Is there any evidence that Sweeney ever built a pipebomb in his life? If there is why don't they (Sutley/Gherman/FBI) come forward with it, instead of making unsupported allegations. The distric attorney of Mendocino is open to any evidence that leads to the bomber of Judi Bari. He has, so far, rejected all the "Sweeney did it" arguments as unsubstantial, heresay and innuendo.
Anderson never checks facts anyhow (that's well known by any Mendocino resident who follows the AVA), but District Attorneys have to. So far there is no case against Sweeney, even if he was a maoist in the 60's. Character assasination is not proof.
Sutley was in the Marine Corp for about 7 years during the Vietnam War, then he immediately joined the Communist Party USA, - what's up with that? Does that prove he's an undercover agent for the CIA, no, but it does seem fishy and until the facts are sifted through and REAL evidence emerges, the truth about who bombed Judi Bari is still unknown. Ed & Irv's story is full of holes, long on details but short of proof; a red herring meant to cast doubt on Judi's integrity and therefore the integrity of her case, as well as the Earth First movement. Too bad for Irv, (and the FBI) it didn't work.
Mary Nunn is a saint! Thank you for having such courage.
The idea that Ed Gehrman "solved the case" is ludicrous. Ed's information came from Irv Sutley, one of the chief bombing suspects, a shify eyed, uzi-toting, police informant, and possible deep-cover agent who was trying to clear his name, if not outright undermine the integrity of Judi's case against his buddies in FBI. His "information" about Sweeney sounded very much like it originated in the FBI files themselves. For example, one of Sutley/Ghermans (then Bruce Andersons') allegations/smears is associating Sweeney with "Maoists" at Stanford who used pipe bombs against people they opposed in the late 60's early 70's. Of course they offer no proof of this allegation. But they love to parrot it. How did Sutley/Gherman get ahold of this tid-bit of history? Is Sutley some sort of private eye who goes and digs up this shit from the historical record, or is it fed to him from the FBI files where it most likely originated. Think about it! Did the Stanford "Maoists" really use pipe bombs against people, and was Sweeney one of them, how would you find out? The FBI is the likely source for this info. Maoists on campus were certainly monitored back then, as they would be today by FBI. Is there any evidence that Sweeney ever built a pipebomb in his life? If there is why don't they (Sutley/Gherman/FBI) come forward with it, instead of making unsupported allegations. The distric attorney of Mendocino is open to any evidence that leads to the bomber of Judi Bari. He has, so far, rejected all the "Sweeney did it" arguments as unsubstantial, heresay and innuendo.
Anderson never checks facts anyhow (that's well known by any Mendocino resident who follows the AVA), but District Attorneys have to. So far there is no case against Sweeney, even if he was a maoist in the 60's. Character assasination is not proof.
Sutley was in the Marine Corp for about 7 years during the Vietnam War, then he immediately joined the Communist Party USA, - what's up with that? Does that prove he's an undercover agent for the CIA, no, but it does seem fishy and until the facts are sifted through and REAL evidence emerges, the truth about who bombed Judi Bari is still unknown. Ed & Irv's story is full of holes, long on details but short of proof; a red herring meant to cast doubt on Judi's integrity and therefore the integrity of her case, as well as the Earth First movement. Too bad for Irv, (and the FBI) it didn't work.
Mary Nunn is a saint! Thank you for having such courage.
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