Intolerance: More threats against Latuff

After reading Bobbys message it is clear Latuff is just trying to garner attention like usual. Latuff also makes the ludacrous claim he is "pro-peace" which shows the complete lack of introspection or intelligence he brings to his "activism". Latuff, you are a big baby who seems more interested in getting attention through juvinille and racist anticts than achieving justice or peace. No doubt any threatening post against Latuffwas by Latuff himself trying to make the persecutor look like the persecuted. People have grown bored with your predictable moronic rants and by pretending you are the target of threats is just your desperate way of trying to keep the attention on yourself.
Now this would make an accurate cartoon, picture this:
Latuff at his computer e-mailing threats to himself wihle posing as a Zionist! I wouldn't be surprised if he vandalizes his own house in the middle of the night then cries "hate crime!!"

After reading Bobbys message it is clear Latuff is just trying to garner attention like usual. Latuff also makes the ludacrous claim he is "pro-peace" which shows the complete lack of introspection or intelligence he brings to his "activism". Latuff, you are a big baby who seems more interested in getting attention through juvinille and racist anticts than achieving justice or peace. No doubt any threatening post against Latuffwas by Latuff himself trying to make the persecutor look like the persecuted. People have grown bored with your predictable moronic rants and by pretending you are the target of threats is just your desperate way of trying to keep the attention on yourself.
Now this would make an accurate cartoon, picture this:
Latuff at his computer e-mailing threats to himself wihle posing as a Zionist! I wouldn't be surprised if he vandalizes his own house in the middle of the night then cries "hate crime!!"

My message to Billy:

From: "dr oblivious"
To: <bpd22 [at] cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:23 PM
Subject: latuff

> Just wondering why you hate him so much.
>
> ---dr o

His reply:

From: Billy D.
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:09:09 -0400

no hate, just cant tolerate anything to get in way of peace and these and
other cartoons fail to underline the problem that terrorism is not the
answer to their problems but just make them worse! They should be ashamed
not showing the real evil behind the suicide bombers. The real evil is the
Government led by Arafat---you say it is the Israeli's and we say it is the
Arafat government--so there is our difference

Now what I find interesting is that he blames Latuff and other unnamed cartoonists for problems that started back when the area was under British rule. That's like blaming dolphins for getting caught nets ment for tuna. He also believes they've got a lot more power over the masses than they could ever hope to have. Then he claims that these artists are making the problem worse without explaining how. He claims "the real evil" is Arafat and suicide bombers and I "say it is Israel". Funny, I didn't saying anything one way or the other about conflict in my only message to him.

I find it odd that he decrys "terromism" while he is clearly trying to scare Latuff into not posting his art.

Now, X, claims that Latuff said he is "pro-peace". When did he say that? Maybe in another message but certainly not this one. Seems to me that X and Billy (refered to as Bobby in his reply) share the same defination of peace in the Middle East but neither share that with us in any detail. I can guess but I'd rather hear it straight from them. I'm a firm believer in the give 'em enough rope theory.
Latuff, I say if you cave into the cowards, the cowards win.

X and Billy, you guys need to learn that art can't hurt you. Good art will make you think. "Cartoons" don't have to be funny. Humor is a way of dealing with things that make us uncomfortable.

That's why Latuff's dumb, juvenile, coloring book pictures can barely be called art, much less half-way decent art. There's rarely anything even remotely thought provoking, and one can usually predict what Latuff's going to try not very well) to represent. Nobody really even needs to comment on them. At least Nazi propaganda tried to be clever at times

Sounds like someone is just messing with his mind.
Whats not a better way to mess with a paraniod then to make up some b.s. like that. The e-mail read like some 15-yearold wrote it as a joke.

Really, if you were so obvious it would be clear that I was just pointing out reality: Latuff is just desperately seeking attention and his claims ring false- another way to try and drum up some zionist hyseria. This is not hate silly any more that pointing out the George Bush or Ariel Sharon are fucked up is hate. Why is it when anyone points out something a lefty doesn't want to hear people like Dr Obvious have try and label them- a way to intimidate anyone who won't see things your way, perhaps?

"That's why Latuff's dumb, juvenile, coloring book pictures can barely be called art"

Good and bad are matters of opinon. Please provide examples of what you think is good art and some of bad art then explain your reasoning.

"Nobody really even needs to comment on them."

And yet, you do.

"Sounds like someone is just messing with his mind."

umm, isn't that how terrorism is supposed to work? More in the mind than in the flesh? I doubt Billy and his possie have any ability to actually physically harm him.

"Whats not a better way to mess with a paraniod "

So you think Latuff is paranoid? What's your basis for that? Are you sure you know the meaning of the word?

"The e-mail read like some 15-yearold wrote it as a joke."

That or English is his/her second language. Either way Latuff reasons for posting it may have escaped you.

"if you were so obvious it would be clear"

I think you ment to say "weren't" and "oblivious".

"drum up some zionist hyseria"

Is that when a Zionist is upset or the other way around?

"Why is it when anyone points out something a lefty doesn't want to hear people like Dr Obvious have try and label them- a way to intimidate anyone who won't see things your way, perhaps?"

Please define "lefty", explain how you came to the conclusion that I'm one, and how it isn't labeling someone who doesn't agree with you. Explain how my original post was intimidating. Explain how I labled you.

Noting that Latuff's coloring book drawing don't merit mention is just to say that his work doesn't merit serious discussion and shouldn't be taken seriously except for what they are: simplistic, vacuous pap. I'll call Latuff out as the bigot he is whenever I see his work: that doesn't mean I'm discussing his art. His coloring book illustrations would probably make good tutorials for brain washing young children, since that about the extent of their intellectual sophistication on a good day. I know plenty of artists, and this "artist," if he can even be considered one, gives them and artists in general a bad name.

"coloring book drawing...his work doesn't merit serious discussion and shouldn't be taken seriously...simplistic, vacuous pap"

You seem to spend a lot of time on discussing his work. While...

"I'll call Latuff out as the bigot he is whenever I see his work"

...failing to back up your opinion of him as a bigot.

"I know plenty of artists, and this 'artist,' if he can even be considered one, gives them and artists in general a bad name."

Doesn't this generalization make you a bigot? I suppose I should point out that you fail to back up you opinions with nothing more than vague statements, but why bother?

Latuff is a bigot and the numerous Jew baiting coloring book cartoons of his on the IndyMedia websites attest to this. I'm a bit surprised you're not familiar with his work, but are trying to discuss him nonetheless. But if you want to defend poor bigoted Latuff, that's your problem. Perhaps you're a bigot, too, and tha's why you're defending him?

And calling a bigot like Latuff a bigot doesn't make me a bigot, any more than my calling a flower a flower makes me a flower.

"I'm a bit surprised you're not familiar with his work"

What makes you think I'm not? I thought it really funny that one of the criticisms of his work was that the way he draws noses makes him a bigot so he stopped drawing noses. Does his photos of poverty make him a bigot?

"Perhaps you're a bigot, too, and tha's why you're defending him?"

By this reasoning, every defence lawyer is guilty of the same crime as the accused. Need more rope?

"calling a bigot like Latuff a bigot doesn't make me a bigot"

If that's what you think I said then you misunderstood or failed to read my post correctly.

You said "I know plenty of artists, and this 'artist,' if he can even be considered one, gives them and artists in general a bad name."

Piscasso was a wife beater, does that make all cubists wife beaters? Saying that the actions of one person makes a large and very diverse group of ppl this or that does earn the label of bigot. For the statement at least, but I'd need to know you better to apply it to you as a person.

I'm starting to think you don't appreciate art because you can only see in black and white.

He always puts his name in the titles of his posts. If you don't like his work, don't click on it. You are responsible for your own comfort level. No one is forcing you to listen to his opinions.

Certainly not me.

The cartoons that make him a bigot, as I mentioned but perhaps you missed but didn't understand, are the Jew baiting ones. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other ones.

"Need more rope?" I don't have any and I don't need any. If you had read my post or understood it, you would know that I didn't call you a bigot. Perhaps you are one, though, and perhaps a not very smart one at that.

"Piscasso was a wife beater, does that make all cubists wife beaters?" No, of course not. If Picasso had a negative infatuation with Jews and devoted a great deal of his work to Jew baiting and spamming whatever the equivalent of IndyMedia websites were back then with his Jew baiting works--like Latuff does, for example--he would have been a bigot in that respect, and--exactly like Latuff, because Latuff's a bigot--would have given artists a bad name.

"He always puts his name in the titles of his posts. If you don't like his work, don't click on it. You are responsible for your own comfort level. No one is forcing you to listen to his opinions." Oh, no worries, Latuff doesn't bother me. I'm used to bigots like him, especially the self-publicizing one like Latuff, but it's important to keep tabs on what such cretins are up to. Bigots like Latuff and the bigotry he espouses won't go away if we ignore them. It's important to call out him and other such embarrassments to humanity so they can't gain any more foothold than they already have, no matter how funny or entertaining parts of their respective techniques are for some folks.

Latuff baits Zionists.

Latuff baits Zionists. He also baits Jews.

Jew baiting and Zionist baiting--and baiting people who criticize him by spamming out their names and emails on IndyMedia websites across the world--is about as sophisticated as Latuff gets. But what would you expect from a bigot from like him?

"Latuff baits Zionists. He also baits Jews. "

The difference is that he knows that he's doing the former, but hasn't really examined whether he's doing the latter. I don't think he _intends_ to bait Jews; I just think he doesn't know that he's doing it, and has resisted any attempt to broaden his consciousness in that regard.

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If anyone has studied Latuff's artwork over the years like I have, you can see a constent pattern in which
1.It's America's fault
2.It's Israels fault
3.It's Capitalism's fault
True Editotorlial cartoonists see things everywhere to goof on,whiether on the right or left. I call Latuff a paroniod becouse if you see alot of his work you can see it. His past cartooons about Brazils problems always showed a red,white and blue buzzard hovering above somehow showing that all of Brazil's problems are America's problem.Somebody needs to start a web-site to really show what a phony this guy is.

.... it's called SF Indymedia.

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