Another One to add to the IAC Sucks List

Don't they also ask a really high percentage of income from their more inner-circle members too? (not the ground level IAC people who they sign up at rallies). I've heard that they wanted 20% of discretionary income.

the problem with the iac/answer is that they believe that industrialized (read: white) workers will bring the world to some socialist utopia.

the reality is that the real movers and shakers in human history are the colonized victims of capitalism. capitalsim transformed the peasants in europe into white workers in europe, the americas, south africa and australia. when we were the peasants in europe we had bad teeth, lived in filth, threw our human waste into the streets our children played, were hungry and dying from the plague, and we know it. capitalism, no matter how much we don't like it, rescued us from this reality.

white people, no matter how poor, or discriminated against are not colonized. we have all benefitted from the material gains of capitalism. those of us who are white and who are interested in overturning this system must unite with self-determination, national liberation of -- and reparations to -- oppressed people. we must come to terms with this and overcome our pathological need to be in the center of the universe.

otherwise, like the iac/answer, we will ultimately just be engaged in petty-boojwah reformism.

and our demos will be the lifeless, expressionless, spiritiually empty, akward, stiff dances of the zombies and robots of the white left.

i'm in the uhuru movement.
matthew willis

um, remember that the 13 original states were colonies. i'm not saying george washington is anything more than a rich terrorist, but regardless they *were* subjects of british colonies. that included white wage-slaves, not just white aristocracy, many of whom were prisoners sent from britain. in those days, thomas jefferson and ben franklin saw fit to exclude any white women and any white person who did not personally hold property as being less of a citizen than a richer white person.

The majority of white people in the US are oppressed. They are wage slaves, working class people who go to shitty school, get poor healthcare, have no access to Unions, etc. That's not to say that whites can't be and aren't racist. That's just to say that they have an interest in fighting racism and uniting with black and brown. Read up on the Charleston 5.

I am white and opressed! The man is keeping me down! I have to work for fo mah money, just like mah black brothas and sistahs! We ain't got no yewnyahns were I be done werkin' at. And mah hellth kare ain't be that good nun neethah. The skool dat I be dun had to go too dun maid me stewpid own top uf all dat! We ain't got dem dere vowchahs win I wuz in skool neethah. I am white and oppresed. A-men.

like Eric, that are reactionaries and need to be taken out back and dealt with, on the other hand.

The radical "left" is divided right now between hundreds of small groups that can’t achieve much on their own. We all know that we are too small right now but the usual response is to see every other leftist group as too far gone to be useful. So instead, every group reaches out to the group that it sees to be key to political change (people of color, college students, the working class, subcultures etc..) Unfortunately the end result is usually not a broader movement.

I’ve been to close to one hundred protests in SF over the last year and the makeup of the protests tends to be similar. Anarchists draw college students, punk kids, and a political anarchist base. Openly communist groups draw a slightly more diverse crowd but the size and number of nonactivists usually isn’t that different. Local issue oriented protests draw a small group of those affected plus one or two radical groups that have taken the issue on. The larger protests tend to be organized by coalitions with a communist core or groups that don’t openly state their politics.

I don’t agree with political views of the WWP but I think the IAC/ANSWER protest have so far managed to draw the largest and most diverse crowds. This isn't a question of quantity vs quality. The April 20th protest managed to draw many radicals who had probably not been at protests in awhile and provided great opportunities for networking and movement building.

Of course people can come up with hundreds of things wrong with that protest. Part of how the US government keeps the Left down is by playing up real differences (exactly as they are doing in Palestine and within the PA right now). We can’t ignore differences and support things we don’t believe in, but we do have to figure out how we can work together to achieve something rather than spending so much energy destroying each other. If the PFLP and Hamas can work together in Palestine to fight for a common cause, why is it so difficult for anarchists, socialists, Leninists, Trots and Maoists to work together in the US? Our differences are far less and our goal is far more fundamental; no part of the world (including Palestine) will ever be free as long as the US government is calling the shots.

tryin' to oppress tha white man!

Keep tryin, I ain't yo yard niggah bitch!

i agree with "a" that you should go to iac/answer's demos if you agree with the demands of the demo in question. if the iac has a demo protesting israel's occupation of palestine, and you agree the this is a problem, you have a responsibility to put aside other political differences with the iac/answer and go. i was at the 20th demo and it was great. i appreciate the organizers for making it happen.

but unfortunately, the iac/answer doesn't agree with this policy. if they aren't the ones controlling the stage, they will not show or turn out their base -- even if the principles of the demonstration are something you'd think they would agree with. but again thats a trait of the white left, so its to be expected.

what i'm learning, is don't allow yourself to be "contained" by the iac and their apparant ability to draw the numbers. call for things that the iac -- and the rest of the white left -- is incapable of calling for like the "take it to the bridge" demo. with little more than 300 people we accomplished more than the 20,000 that were willing to walk from delores park to the civic center under the iac's leadership.

size isn't the determining factor.

matthew from uhuru

nessie's right. ireland is colonized. i'm self-critical for not pointing this out when i made the generalization about white society.

however, it should also be pointed out, that many irish came to america as a response to the oppression they were expriencing in europe.

however, america had civiliziations which had to be wiped out to create a space for the irish. and the irish, as a whole, never had a problem with this. in fact the irish were some of the most brutal terrorists white society produced.

sorry. but your going to have to qualify your quantitative remarks about the irish being some of the most brutal terrorists white society has produced. i don't see how you can make that generalization compared to say hitler's germany, imperial england, the orange royals of the netherlands, the vikings, the russian imperialists, etc. etc. i fail to see how the aggrarian irish whose acts in self-defense are nothing compared to that of some native american tribes are some of the most brutal terrorists. even in the war for irish liberation comparitively speaking far fewer people have been injured and the resolution of the colonization of the irish island has predominantly been done through negotiations rather then terror. just more anti-mic bashing from those that refuse to treat white anti-colonial struggles in the same boat as every other anti-imperial struggle.

Slan,

Salem

Anybody who talks about "the" Irish is spouting racism. It's like talking about "the" Jews or "the" Armenians or "the" Africans. It's not only racisct, it's dehumanizing. Irish people are as varied as any. To judge any ethnic group as a group, rather than judge the individuals within it as individuals, is racism by definition.

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> petty-boojwah

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