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'Tide turning against Zionist Jews'

by Dr. Kaukab Siddique
[Dr. Kaukab Siddique, Ameer of Jamaat al-Muslimeen, gave the Juma' khutba at the Islamic Center of the Triad on June 21, 2002. He spoke to a masjid packed with immigrants from Somalia, Sudan, Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Lebanon. The Khutba was covered by a reporter from Greensboro's biggest newspaper.]
The immigrant community in North Carolina has taken a proactive role in devising a program to respond to the daily attacks on Islam which the media are carrying out. The Islamic Center of the Triad in Greensboro is sympathetic to the plight of Muslim immigrants and wants non-Muslims to understand the plight of the Palestinian people who are constantly under Israeli occupation and attack. Imam Badi Ali has built a good relationship with the local media and works around the clock to respond to news coming out of the middle east. With his help, the local community has issued a BOYCOTT LIST of businesses which help Israel in its aggression.

The main points of the Khutba were as follows:

[The Qur'anic text for the Khutba: The Qur'an says about the Jews:

"And they took riba (interest on loans) though they were forbidden to do so, and they devoured the wealth of mankind wrongfully - We have prepared for those among them who are rejectors of truth, a grievous chastisement." (4:161)

1. We Muslims must communicate with the people among whom we live and work. The Jewish-Zionist propaganda campaign against us has largely failed, so we still have an opportunity to reach out and communicate. We must let Americans know that:

1a. Islam forbids compulsion in religion. We are not trying to force any Christian, Jew or Hindu anywhere to become a Muslim. We believe that only Allah makes Muslims and faith is entirely a spiritual, inner phenomenon. It cannot be forced.

1b. We respect all places of worship and are duty bound to defend not only mosques but also churches and synagogues.

1c. Muslims ruled India for hundreds of years but we are still a minority in India. In Egypt, Muslims have ruled for 1400 years but a Coptic Christian minority continues to flourish there. In both cases there is evidence that Muslims do not force people to become Muslims.

2. All the wars are going on in MUSLIM lands. We are not trying to take anyone's land. We simply want to liberate lands which are ours: Kashmir, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Palestine are all our lands. We stand AGAINST OPPRESSION to liberate these lands and we have every right to do so.

3. In PALESTINE the source of the problem is that in 1948 the Jews TOOK OUR LAND by force. If we keep this fact in focus, it will become very clear that as long as Palestine is under occupation, the struggle to liberate it will continue.

4. We are not against the Jews as a collective. In fact throughout our history, we have given refuge and peace to the Jews. When the crusaders were killing the Jews, the Muslims provided security to the Jews. There has always been a small indigenous Jewish community in Palestine which has lived in peace with the Palestinians, Muslims and Christians.

4a. We are against the Jews because they have usurped Palestine and they take interest on loans and have built up the exploitative economic structure of economy (World Bank/IMF) built on interest-bearing loans.

5. WHAT CAN IMMIGRANTS IN AMERICA DO?

i. Remember that you cannot appease the Jews who run this country by being quiet and humble. They will pursue and persecute you whether you are hiding in a corner of the mosque or staying away from all activity and hiding in your home.

ii. Look at HOLY LAND FOUNDATION, BENEVOLENCE and GLOBAL (Muslim charities helping widows and orphans). These were pro-Bush, non-political people never disturbing the Jews in any way but they have been targeted and victimized. So being non-political will not help. iii. Muhammad Mustafa (pbuh) was the most peaceful of men. None of us can be as kind, generous and sensitive to human suffering as he was. Yet the oppressors not only forced him to leave Makka but would not leave him alone even in Madina.

5a. BATTLE OF THE MEDIA IS MOST IMPORTANT. Create your own media. Imam Badi Ali constantly issues bulletins, flyers, advice columns. That's your media. Every mosque should have its media openly discussing issues. LEARN FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY. The ADL and the New York Times tried to stop the Million Man March because it was led by Farrakhan but failed because the Black community has hundreds of its own little publications.

5b. BOYCOTT JEWISH PRODUCTS which fund Israel. Imam Badi Ali has issued a whole list of businesses supporting Israel. Take the list with you wherever you go. DO NOT FUND THE KILLING OF PALESTINIAN CHILDREN WITH YOUR OWN MONEY. IMMIGRANTS ARE VERY WEAK IN WOMEN'S STRUGGLE.

6. Pakistani women used to scare their children of cats. TODAY PAKISTANI WOMEN ARE SENDING THEIR CHILDREN TO JIHAD IN KASHMIR. Same with Palestinian women. Our Palestinian sisters have put males to shame with their tremendous sacrifices against the Jews. In America, our struggle is that of IDENTITY, SELF-RESPECT, COMMUNICATION and ORGANIZATION. In these areas, our communities are very weak. Unless immigrant women stop spoiling their children and start participating in community activity, the enemy will undermine us by luring away our families while we are in the mosque by ourselves.

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by US citizen
We don't support you or nuts like you. Go back to whatever fucked up country you came from asshole!
by US citizen
We don't support you or nuts like you. If you don't like it here go back to whatever fucked up country you came from asshole!
by Moshe
The two comments listed above do not represent the opinion of U.S. citizens.
by X
Most Americans aren't gullible enough to listen to this venomous fool yelping about poor Muslim repression. Muslims have NEVER given their religious minorities the same rights as non-Muslims. This speaker is typical of your Islamicentric freak. Funny how the only Muslims he feels sorry for are the ones being repressed by Israel. The millions who are being repressed and killed in the name of Allah don't get his compassion. Nor those who are enslaved by Muslims in the Sudan. Until Muslim men rally to stop other Muslims from treating women like property, I, and most thinking people, will never respect such hypocrasy.
by Larry Shaw (larry [at] solddowntheriver.org)
Please note that Jews is not synonymous with Jewish Israelis, and the sentiments and agendas of the world's Jews is not coincident with Israeli policy.

As soon as you start confusing these things, you are being racist. (And that bit about money lending Jews ... get a clue.)
by Ben m
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Americans hate you for your murderous evil religion. I cannot see how Zionism is responsible for the atrocities you inflict on the world in the name of Allah.
by KAtie
The more atrocities committed by Muslims the more desperate they are to scapegoat Zionism. They are trying to deflect the worlds attention away from reality: The vast majority of religious violence in this world is committed in the name of Allah... and in the last year alone Christians, Jews, Buddhists, anamists, Hindus, women and homosexuals have been murdered in the name of this so-called "religion of peace". Muslims are the last people on earth who still practice slavery, execute homosexuals, and treat women litterally like prisoners. Muslims have no interest in stopping these horrors.. One has to ask why. Israel is just a diversion from the fact they treat neither each other, nor anyone else, like human beings.
The lie that Sept 11th was caused by US policies would be more believable if it weren't for the fact the the US is one of the few countries of earth that haven't had a major terrorist attack by Muslims. India, Algeria, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Sudan, France, Russia, Singapore, the Phillapines, and Indonishia- are they all supporters of Israel. No. The only thing they have in common is they have large Muslim populations and lots of terrorism. Unfortunately these two things seem go together. Anyone who doesn't see the corrolation is in denial.
by KAtie
The more atrocities committed by Muslims the more desperate they are to scapegoat Zionism. They are trying to deflect the worlds attention away from reality: The vast majority of religious violence in this world is committed in the name of Allah... and in the last year alone Christians, Jews, Buddhists, anamists, Hindus, women and homosexuals have been murdered in the name of this so-called "religion of peace". Muslims are the last people on earth who still practice slavery, execute homosexuals, and treat women litterally like prisoners. Muslims have no interest in stopping these horrors.. One has to ask why. Israel is just a diversion from the fact they treat neither each other, nor anyone else, like human beings.
The lie that Sept 11th was caused by US policies would be more believable if it weren't for the fact the the US is one of the few countries of earth that haven't had a major terrorist attack by Muslims. India, Algeria, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Sudan, France, Russia, Singapore, the Phillapines, and Indonishia- are they all supporters of Israel. No. The only thing they have in common is they have large Muslim populations and lots of terrorism. Unfortunately these two things seem go together. Anyone who doesn't see the corrolation is in denial.
by KAtie
The more atrocities committed by Muslims the more desperate they are to scapegoat Zionism. They are trying to deflect the worlds attention away from reality: The vast majority of religious violence in this world is committed in the name of Allah... and in the last year alone Christians, Jews, Buddhists, anamists, Hindus, women and homosexuals have been murdered in the name of this so-called "religion of peace". Muslims are the last people on earth who still practice slavery, execute homosexuals, and treat women litterally like prisoners. Muslims have no interest in stopping these horrors.. One has to ask why. Israel is just a diversion from the fact they treat neither each other, nor anyone else, like human beings.
The lie that Sept 11th was caused by US policies would be more believable if it weren't for the fact the the US is one of the few countries of earth that haven't had a major terrorist attack by Muslims. India, Algeria, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Sudan, France, Russia, Singapore, the Phillapines, and Indonishia- are they all supporters of Israel. No. The only thing they have in common is they have large Muslim populations and lots of terrorism. Unfortunately these two things seem go together. Anyone who doesn't see the corrolation is in denial.
by KAtie
The more atrocities committed by Muslims the more desperate they are to scapegoat Zionism. They are trying to deflect the worlds attention away from reality: The vast majority of religious violence in this world is committed in the name of Allah... and in the last year alone Christians, Jews, Buddhists, anamists, Hindus, women and homosexuals have been murdered in the name of this so-called "religion of peace". Muslims are the last people on earth who still practice slavery, execute homosexuals, and treat women litterally like prisoners. Muslims have no interest in stopping these horrors.. One has to ask why. Israel is just a diversion from the fact they treat neither each other, nor anyone else, like human beings.
The lie that Sept 11th was caused by US policies would be more believable if it weren't for the fact the the US is one of the few countries of earth that haven't had a major terrorist attack by Muslims. India, Algeria, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Sudan, France, Russia, Singapore, the Phillapines, and Indonishia- are they all supporters of Israel. No. The only thing they have in common is they have large Muslim populations and lots of terrorism. Unfortunately these two things seem go together. Anyone who doesn't see the corrolation is in denial.
by KAtie
The more atrocities committed by Muslims the more desperate they are to scapegoat Zionism. They are trying to deflect the worlds attention away from reality: The vast majority of religious violence in this world is committed in the name of Allah... and in the last year alone Christians, Jews, Buddhists, anamists, Hindus, women and homosexuals have been murdered in the name of this so-called "religion of peace". Muslims are the last people on earth who still practice slavery, execute homosexuals, and treat women litterally like prisoners. Muslims have no interest in stopping these horrors.. One has to ask why. Israel is just a diversion from the fact they treat neither each other, nor anyone else, like human beings.
The lie that Sept 11th was caused by US policies would be more believable if it weren't for the fact the the US is one of the few countries of earth that haven't had a major terrorist attack by Muslims. India, Algeria, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Sudan, France, Russia, Singapore, the Phillapines, and Indonishia- are they all supporters of Israel. No. The only thing they have in common is they have large Muslim populations and lots of terrorism. Unfortunately these two things seem go together. Anyone who doesn't see the corrolation is in denial.
by KAtie
The more atrocities committed by Muslims the more desperate they are to scapegoat Zionism. They are trying to deflect the worlds attention away from reality: The vast majority of religious violence in this world is committed in the name of Allah... and in the last year alone Christians, Jews, Buddhists, anamists, Hindus, women and homosexuals have been murdered in the name of this so-called "religion of peace". Muslims are the last people on earth who still practice slavery, execute homosexuals, and treat women litterally like prisoners. Muslims have no interest in stopping these horrors.. One has to ask why. Israel is just a diversion from the fact they treat neither each other, nor anyone else, like human beings.
The lie that Sept 11th was caused by US policies would be more believable if it weren't for the fact the the US is one of the few countries of earth that haven't had a major terrorist attack by Muslims. India, Algeria, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Sudan, France, Russia, Singapore, the Phillapines, and Indonishia- are they all supporters of Israel. No. The only thing they have in common is they have large Muslim populations and lots of terrorism. Unfortunately these two things seem go together. Anyone who doesn't see the corrolation is in denial.
by KAtie
The more atrocities committed by Muslims the more desperate they are to scapegoat Zionism. They are trying to deflect the worlds attention away from reality: The vast majority of religious violence in this world is committed in the name of Allah... and in the last year alone Christians, Jews, Buddhists, anamists, Hindus, women and homosexuals have been murdered in the name of this so-called "religion of peace". Muslims are the last people on earth who still practice slavery, execute homosexuals, and treat women litterally like prisoners. Muslims have no interest in stopping these horrors.. One has to ask why. Israel is just a diversion from the fact they treat neither each other, nor anyone else, like human beings.
The lie that Sept 11th was caused by US policies would be more believable if it weren't for the fact the the US is one of the few countries of earth that haven't had a major terrorist attack by Muslims. India, Algeria, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Sudan, France, Russia, Singapore, the Phillapines, and Indonishia- are they all supporters of Israel. No. The only thing they have in common is they have large Muslim populations and lots of terrorism. Unfortunately these two things seem go together. Anyone who doesn't see the corrolation is in denial.
by KAtie
The more atrocities committed by Muslims the more desperate they are to scapegoat Zionism. They are trying to deflect the worlds attention away from reality: The vast majority of religious violence in this world is committed in the name of Allah... and in the last year alone Christians, Jews, Buddhists, anamists, Hindus, women and homosexuals have been murdered in the name of this so-called "religion of peace". Muslims are the last people on earth who still practice slavery, execute homosexuals, and treat women litterally like prisoners. Muslims have no interest in stopping these horrors.. One has to ask why. Israel is just a diversion from the fact they treat neither each other, nor anyone else, like human beings. The lie that Sept 11th was caused by US policies would be more believable if it weren't for the fact the the US is one of the few countries of earth that haven't had a major terrorist attack by Muslims. India, Algeria, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Sudan, France, Russia, Singapore, the Phillapines, and Indonishia- are they all supporters of Israel. No. The only thing they have in common is they have large Muslim populations and lots of terrorism. Unfortunately these two things seem go together. Anyone who doesn't see the corrolation is in denial.
by KAtie
The more atrocities committed by Muslims the more desperate they are to scapegoat Zionism. They are trying to deflect the worlds attention away from reality: The vast majority of religious violence in this world is committed in the name of Allah... and in the last year alone Christians, Jews, Buddhists, anamists, Hindus, women and homosexuals have been murdered in the name of this so-called "religion of peace". Muslims are the last people on earth who still practice slavery, execute homosexuals, and treat women litterally like prisoners. Muslims have no interest in stopping these horrors.. One has to ask why. Israel is just a diversion from the fact they treat neither each other, nor anyone else, like human beings.
The lie that Sept 11th was caused by US policies would be more believable if it weren't for the fact the the US is one of the few countries of earth that haven't had a major terrorist attack by Muslims. India, Algeria, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Sudan, France, Russia, Singapore, the Phillapines, and Indonishia- are they all supporters of Israel. No. The only thing they have in common is they have large Muslim populations and lots of terrorism. Unfortunately these two things seem go together. Anyone who doesn't see the corrolation is in denial.
by KAtie
The more atrocities committed by Muslims the more desperate they are to scapegoat Zionism. They are trying to deflect the worlds attention away from reality: The vast majority of religious violence in this world is committed in the name of Allah... and in the last year alone Christians, Jews, Buddhists, anamists, Hindus, women and homosexuals have been murdered in the name of this so-called "religion of peace". Muslims are the last people on earth who still practice slavery, execute homosexuals, and treat women litterally like prisoners. Muslims have no interest in stopping these horrors.. One has to ask why. Israel is just a diversion from the fact they treat neither each other, nor anyone else, like human beings. The lie that Sept 11th was caused by US policies would be more believable if it weren't for the fact the the US is one of the few countries of earth that haven't had a major terrorist attack by Muslims. India, Algeria, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Sudan, France, Russia, Singapore, the Phillapines, and Indonishia- are they all supporters of Israel. No. The only thing they have in common is they have large Muslim populations and lots of terrorism. Unfortunately these two things seem go together. Anyone who doesn't see the corrolation is in denial.
by DrJ
And they grow tails at night too...
by Repeating History
The comments put forth in this manifesto is quite disturbing. I understand that one of the major problems that people who do not support the unchecked military aggresion of Israel face is being labeled as "anti-semetic" making political discourse impossible since you cannot criticize Israel. However, the statements here are definitively antisemetic and remarkably reminiscent of the grotesquely Anti Semetic economics theories promoted by Ezra Pound. Blaming the Jewish people for the problems with the economic system is something so absurd it's ridiculous that people actually are stupid enough to put this into print. Usury, which Pound eventually learned, is something promoted by the Western economic system, something that is entirely separate from Jews. Jews have not always reaped the benefits of this system. And to those who believe they always have, I strongly urged you to read some history books before you embarass yourself any further.
by Diana Nunyabiz
Thanks to all who responded to this supposedly educated Muslim idiot. He associated himself with people who pray for Al Queda's victory, victory of the Taleban, etc. Consider the source, but refute this man of evil. A tree is known by his fruit and his fruit stinks.
by isldawn
What is most surprising is that this person is paid for by your tax money. Go ahead. Look him up. He is a teacher at a state college. Wonder why he never puts his school's name? Tell people in the media about him, about his school, about his hatred. Brit Hume knows about it.
by isldawn
He is quite dangerous. His belief is ultimately in evil, since he advocates such hatred. The people who commit terrorist acts need people like him to fan the flames of hatred, and they need him to fan those flames because they are, in fact, semi-literates. See what this author ahs said in support of the holocaust denier David Irving, who denies that the Holocaust even happened. This author's agenda is to cause the killing of Jewish people, plain and simple. Why else would a so-called religious man advocate such ignorance and hatred? What is most surprising is that this author is employed by a public school and paid by your taxmoney.
by vanguard
We must be on guard against anti-semitism as well as anti-arabism. It is important that Jews who are not Zionist do not fall prey to hatred. Racist Muslims deserve every bit as much denouncement as racist Zionists and racist white supremacists.
by vanguard
We must be on guard against anti-semitism as well as anti-arabism. It is important that Jews who are not Zionist do not fall prey to hatred. Racist Muslims deserve every bit as much denouncement as racist Zionists and racist white supremacists.
by X2
a poll of a mere 5000 people in a nation of 5 million by an unrecognized, uncertified, non professional polling agency is hardly credible.

And even if it were, there is the question of whether or not it is still true that it is a good thing. Nazi Germany published similar polls with similar support for the Final Solution. The problem with all this is that it has no basis in logic.

Argumentum ad numerum

This fallacy is closely related to the argumentum ad populum. It consists of asserting that the more people who support or believe a proposition, the more likely it is that that proposition is correct. For example:

"The vast majority of people in this country believe that capital punishment has a noticeable deterrent effect. To suggest that it doesn't in the face of so much evidence is ridiculous."

"All I'm saying is that thousands of people believe in pyramid power, so there must be something to it."

These are examples of arguments of fallacy, such as the one you have just made.

by Smeg/Jay Hovah
You really don't get it do you...nevermind, I'll just leave you to your weird game of "assume everybody is a right-wing bigot".
by X2
Did I say "everyone is a right wing bigot?" No. Since you can't defend your argumentum ad numerum, you now resort to outright false claims. Obviously you feel that everyone is stupid enough not to be able to see your shallow techniques for what they are. As if it is not enough to employ deceit, you must also insult the general intelligence of the public.

Now defend your argumentum ad numerum.
by Tom
Oh for art though spam thee he sayeth. And If you kepp her out of the water Ryan, The tide cannot turn on her.

See what I'm sayin here R2 ?
by X2
you're talking Greek to me, man. Not a clue. Some thees and thous something about water and R2D2 .. no idea.
by X2
me and Nessie are the same yeah OK I admit it. We're here to disrupt our own leftist board becasue we just make no sense at all. You on the other hand are here to preserve a board you oppose. Sure thing buddy. I tried to convince a lobotomized cow you were right, but she saw right through it. Ever feel useless?
by Tom
drinkin v8 and eatin pickled pigs feet. Bustin windows and runnin scared from you and all your guns and dogs.
by H.Morgan
I think the better question would be: should the IDF kill Israeli bystanders in order to stop the terrorist? Why assume that an IDF agent is going to be able to figure out who is who in such a split second determination?
by Justin (Justiphy69 [at] aol.com)
i think the better question should be, should the IDF kill innocent israeli bystanders to stop the terrorist?
how can you assume that an IDF agent will be able to know the difference between a bystander and a terrorist, in so fleeting a moment?
by X2
the best answer he can give to the question is to attack the name "justin".
Pitiful.
by just wondering
Ever feel useless? Would you be able to recognise it?
by X2
no but you sure must, considering you can NEVER answer a single accusation of mine against you.
Why are you here? Do you enjoy showing off your lack of intelligence?
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