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Fight the Power, Build the Power: Anarchist Organizations
The English-speaking part of North America is perhaps the most hostile place on the continent for anarchists believing in organization. Those of us believing in federations, cadre groups, tactical and strategic unity or the organizationalist trend of anarchism are probably in the minority here. It is in this context that the Ruckus Collective has emerged in defense and promotion of this trend.
Fight the Power, Build the Power: Phoenix's Ruckus Collective Comes to Town
by Isaac Drake
"The Ruckus collective formed in Phoenix, Arizona, in 1997 to discuss revolutionary politics at a local and national level and to develop a revolutionary praxis. Its main contribution locally has been the creation of Phoenix Copwatch, which has been patrolling the streets since early 1999. In the summer of 2000, Ruckus activists began talking about the need for a national or continental revolutionary organization. This led organizers to embark on a program of study with the goal of creating a proposal for a membership-based national or continental revolutionary federation." - Event Flyer
The (English-speaking) Western part of North America is perhaps the most hostile place in the hemisphere for anarchists believing in organization. Those of us believing in federations, cadre groups, tactical and strategic unity - or more simply the organizationalist trend of anarchism - are probably in the minority here. It is in this context that the Ruckus Collective has emerged in defense and promotion of organization. As their members described it, Arizona does not have a large radical tradition, although with the (relatively) recent emergence of the Ruckus Collective and the Phoenix Anarchist Coalition this is changing.
The Ruckus website contains various texts of theirs, including most of the materials that they have analyzed in their studies of past radical currents in the United States. Currents studied include the Black Panther Party, the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), the Abolitionists, Love and Rage Revolutionary Anarchist Federation, the Anarchist Black Cross, Students for a Democratic Society, and others. The current Ruckus gives most attention to is Abolitionism. At their presentation, the Ruckus members identified themselves as New Abolitionists, a trend centered around attacking the foundations of white supremacy in our society. The Race Traitor publication is at the forefront of this political trend, and it seems much of Ruckus' politic is directly based on Race Traitor.
The Draft Proposal touches on various issues, the main themes being their conception of a cadre organization, a democratic federative structure, anti-statism, radical feminism, strategic unity, and most importantly (in their minds) the destruction of white supremacy. The proposal identifies this struggle against white supremacy as the foremost struggle that anarchists, and specifically this organization, should be involved in.
Presentation and Discussion
Each presenter discussed their various political involvements, and then delved into explaining the Ruckus proposal to the audience of 50 or 60. The discussion had an important and serious character to it, with little discussion of rudimentary revolutionary politics - although unfortunately this was briefly disrupted by a pacifist who took issue with Ruckus' conception of revolutionary violence, and a self-identified social democrat from the St. Louis Independent Media Center who was doing research for his graduate school.
Ruckus presenters talked about their involvement with Phoenix Copwatch, how it was acting as a utility for attacking white supremacy in their locality, and then about their conception of race politics in general. While capitalism and environmental issues were touched on, mostly by Alan, the overwhelming majority of the presentation was about race politics.
One of the Ruckus members talked about SNCC's contribution to the radical history in the U.S. She said that whites should become actively involved in support roles for organizations and movements of people of color. It was emphasized that the whites in such movements must not take leadership over them. Police brutality, immigration defense (especially around Latin American immigrants), race-related poverty, and gang issues were the main struggles suggested as having the possibility to challenge white supremacy.
Audience members from two different Bay Area anti-authoritarian groups of color spoke. The discussion ended around the topic of class when multiple audience members brought up situations of struggles that did not revolve around race. The relevance of this kind of race-based analysis to rural white Americans, and white industrial worker struggles were two examples of this. The presenters acknowledged these as legitimate and moving towards open class warfare.
Capital and Class
Not once in the Draft Proposal is the word "capitalism" used, although at the presentation Ruckus promised that a section on anti-capitalism is being added. On first glance, the proposal could give one the impression that all class analysis has been absolutely subordinated in favor of purely race-based analysis and perhaps even give rise to the dangerous trap of seeing U.S. society in terms of a dialectic between whites and people of color. This notion might be further tempted by the timetable of Ruckus' presentation, where much time was given to encouraging whites to play support roles in struggles of people of color.
Race-related anti-colonial struggles were talked about, but hardly entertained was what Franz Fanon referred to as the threat of "the national bourgeoisie", in struggles against colonialism. Such struggles have too often ended in capital and the state simply re-emerging after victories against colonizers, simply modified to cater to a new ruling class made up of members of the formerly colonialized people. Simply supporting struggles of people of color could be disastrous unless these struggles are carefully analyzed and chosen by anarchists.
In reading their documentation, Ruckus is keenly aware of both these issues, and there is no reason to believe that they fall into either of the traps listed above. The presentation however, didn't make a serious enough effort to address capitalism or class.
NorthEastern Federation of Anarcho-Communists: Parallels and Differences
At this juncture, we suggest that communism without abolitionism is impossible but that abolitionism without communism is incomplete. -Abolitionism and Communism by The New Abolitionist News editorial board.
As a group agitating for a revolutionary membership-based federation, striving for strategic and tactical unity, with the key ideological issues being class and the state, it was surprising to hear Ruckus' response when an audience member raised the issue of NEFAC. The Ruckus presenters said that there were significant differences with NEFAC, particularly around race and class, and that these difference would stand in the way of the Ruckus organization federating, and perhaps even cooperating with, NEFAC. Now this was particularly striking, considering that NEFAC is the most advanced living example that we organizationalist anarchists have to draw from in North America. Additionally, the communist tradition that NEFAC embraces seems like it would enhance (and perhaps does already exist in) Ruckus' ideology.
In juxtaposing NEFAC and Ruckus, an abundance of similarities move into sight. Some of the key common dislikes are states, capitalism, sexism, racism, homophobia, ecological destruction, colonialism and imperialism, and other baddies; and key common positive holdings are democracy, federalism, class warfare, social change, internationalism, technology (neither group has condemned it on the whole), organization, and the stated desire to move forward. These commonly held values seem to encompass every key aspect of political ideology, in other words NEFAC and Ruckus are very similar on the theoretical level.
The two groups obviously come from very different backgrounds, with different inspirations, but in terms of theory/ideology there only seems to be one significant difference: the adoption of communism. NEFAC was developed specifically as an organization for development along the lines of "the communist tradition within anarchism", and in their name placing communism on equal footing with anarchism. Ruckus however, neither mentioned communism in their proposal nor in their Oakland tour-stop. Despite the lack of a visible identification with communism the latest Ruckus document, The Goal of a Cadre Group is Class War, moves much closer to a communist analysis, framing the task of revolutionaries in the United States as win over the undivided working class to revolutionary politics (even quoting Marx in good light.) This is essentially the same position espoused by North American libertarian communists. Even with this difference on the term communism, there does not seem to be a contradiction on class-analysis between the two groups.
So what of the major differences between the groups? It would appear that all the significant differences held are based on tactics and strategy. Firstly, Ruckus is absolutely clear in its view of race, as the chief factor used by the capital and the state to divide the working class. "The glue that has kept the American state together has been white supremacy; melting that glue creates revolutionary possibilities." While NEFAC also views race as a tool used "to divide and weaken the working class", and is putting more and more effort into addressing the issue of race and white supremacy, it has not yet voiced a strategic analysis similar to Ruckus'.
Another issue of strategic difference is national/continental versus regional organizing. In the document that lead to NEFAC's creation, Initiative for a NEFAC, the problem of great geographic distances between different parts of the North America is addressed by "regional federations" that would facilitate having "semi-regular meetings or conferences" of the federations. Ruckus simply proposes a national/continental federation, with little reference to regional federations. This isn't to say that NEFAC's goal isn't a national/continental federation: "Once a few regional federations are established, than we can talk about organizing nationally."
While there are surely other differences between the groups, it seems like they would be overshadowed by their similarities. If one common value held by the groups stands out more than the others, it should view be viewed as the fact that both NEFAC and Ruckus are dynamic organizations, progressing and developing with momentum and potential.
Conclusions
The Ruckus presentation and discussion at AK Press was stimulating and inspiring. The fact that so many people came out and showed interest in anarchist organization speaks of the potential for positive things to come. The work that Ruckus does with Phoenix CopWatch is a tangible asset, and is working towards providing an alternative direction for anti-authoritarians in our area.
NEFAC and the Ruckus collective are probably the two most active elements in agitating for cadre-like anarchist organization in North America. Given the overwhelming similarities held by the two groups, any effort to create new anarchist federations in North America should be coupled with an effort to synthesize the views held by the two groups, so that new federations may reap the benefits. Unless there is a significant point that this article overlooks or fails to understand, it seems that a serious effort towards creating this synthesis would have a high probability of success.
The organizationalist one is not always the strongest anarchist camp, and if we don't seize the opportunity to work and grow together, we risk mutual degeneration, and the weaking of organizationalism as a whole.
by Isaac Drake
"The Ruckus collective formed in Phoenix, Arizona, in 1997 to discuss revolutionary politics at a local and national level and to develop a revolutionary praxis. Its main contribution locally has been the creation of Phoenix Copwatch, which has been patrolling the streets since early 1999. In the summer of 2000, Ruckus activists began talking about the need for a national or continental revolutionary organization. This led organizers to embark on a program of study with the goal of creating a proposal for a membership-based national or continental revolutionary federation." - Event Flyer
The (English-speaking) Western part of North America is perhaps the most hostile place in the hemisphere for anarchists believing in organization. Those of us believing in federations, cadre groups, tactical and strategic unity - or more simply the organizationalist trend of anarchism - are probably in the minority here. It is in this context that the Ruckus Collective has emerged in defense and promotion of organization. As their members described it, Arizona does not have a large radical tradition, although with the (relatively) recent emergence of the Ruckus Collective and the Phoenix Anarchist Coalition this is changing.
The Ruckus website contains various texts of theirs, including most of the materials that they have analyzed in their studies of past radical currents in the United States. Currents studied include the Black Panther Party, the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), the Abolitionists, Love and Rage Revolutionary Anarchist Federation, the Anarchist Black Cross, Students for a Democratic Society, and others. The current Ruckus gives most attention to is Abolitionism. At their presentation, the Ruckus members identified themselves as New Abolitionists, a trend centered around attacking the foundations of white supremacy in our society. The Race Traitor publication is at the forefront of this political trend, and it seems much of Ruckus' politic is directly based on Race Traitor.
The Draft Proposal touches on various issues, the main themes being their conception of a cadre organization, a democratic federative structure, anti-statism, radical feminism, strategic unity, and most importantly (in their minds) the destruction of white supremacy. The proposal identifies this struggle against white supremacy as the foremost struggle that anarchists, and specifically this organization, should be involved in.
Presentation and Discussion
Each presenter discussed their various political involvements, and then delved into explaining the Ruckus proposal to the audience of 50 or 60. The discussion had an important and serious character to it, with little discussion of rudimentary revolutionary politics - although unfortunately this was briefly disrupted by a pacifist who took issue with Ruckus' conception of revolutionary violence, and a self-identified social democrat from the St. Louis Independent Media Center who was doing research for his graduate school.
Ruckus presenters talked about their involvement with Phoenix Copwatch, how it was acting as a utility for attacking white supremacy in their locality, and then about their conception of race politics in general. While capitalism and environmental issues were touched on, mostly by Alan, the overwhelming majority of the presentation was about race politics.
One of the Ruckus members talked about SNCC's contribution to the radical history in the U.S. She said that whites should become actively involved in support roles for organizations and movements of people of color. It was emphasized that the whites in such movements must not take leadership over them. Police brutality, immigration defense (especially around Latin American immigrants), race-related poverty, and gang issues were the main struggles suggested as having the possibility to challenge white supremacy.
Audience members from two different Bay Area anti-authoritarian groups of color spoke. The discussion ended around the topic of class when multiple audience members brought up situations of struggles that did not revolve around race. The relevance of this kind of race-based analysis to rural white Americans, and white industrial worker struggles were two examples of this. The presenters acknowledged these as legitimate and moving towards open class warfare.
Capital and Class
Not once in the Draft Proposal is the word "capitalism" used, although at the presentation Ruckus promised that a section on anti-capitalism is being added. On first glance, the proposal could give one the impression that all class analysis has been absolutely subordinated in favor of purely race-based analysis and perhaps even give rise to the dangerous trap of seeing U.S. society in terms of a dialectic between whites and people of color. This notion might be further tempted by the timetable of Ruckus' presentation, where much time was given to encouraging whites to play support roles in struggles of people of color.
Race-related anti-colonial struggles were talked about, but hardly entertained was what Franz Fanon referred to as the threat of "the national bourgeoisie", in struggles against colonialism. Such struggles have too often ended in capital and the state simply re-emerging after victories against colonizers, simply modified to cater to a new ruling class made up of members of the formerly colonialized people. Simply supporting struggles of people of color could be disastrous unless these struggles are carefully analyzed and chosen by anarchists.
In reading their documentation, Ruckus is keenly aware of both these issues, and there is no reason to believe that they fall into either of the traps listed above. The presentation however, didn't make a serious enough effort to address capitalism or class.
NorthEastern Federation of Anarcho-Communists: Parallels and Differences
At this juncture, we suggest that communism without abolitionism is impossible but that abolitionism without communism is incomplete. -Abolitionism and Communism by The New Abolitionist News editorial board.
As a group agitating for a revolutionary membership-based federation, striving for strategic and tactical unity, with the key ideological issues being class and the state, it was surprising to hear Ruckus' response when an audience member raised the issue of NEFAC. The Ruckus presenters said that there were significant differences with NEFAC, particularly around race and class, and that these difference would stand in the way of the Ruckus organization federating, and perhaps even cooperating with, NEFAC. Now this was particularly striking, considering that NEFAC is the most advanced living example that we organizationalist anarchists have to draw from in North America. Additionally, the communist tradition that NEFAC embraces seems like it would enhance (and perhaps does already exist in) Ruckus' ideology.
In juxtaposing NEFAC and Ruckus, an abundance of similarities move into sight. Some of the key common dislikes are states, capitalism, sexism, racism, homophobia, ecological destruction, colonialism and imperialism, and other baddies; and key common positive holdings are democracy, federalism, class warfare, social change, internationalism, technology (neither group has condemned it on the whole), organization, and the stated desire to move forward. These commonly held values seem to encompass every key aspect of political ideology, in other words NEFAC and Ruckus are very similar on the theoretical level.
The two groups obviously come from very different backgrounds, with different inspirations, but in terms of theory/ideology there only seems to be one significant difference: the adoption of communism. NEFAC was developed specifically as an organization for development along the lines of "the communist tradition within anarchism", and in their name placing communism on equal footing with anarchism. Ruckus however, neither mentioned communism in their proposal nor in their Oakland tour-stop. Despite the lack of a visible identification with communism the latest Ruckus document, The Goal of a Cadre Group is Class War, moves much closer to a communist analysis, framing the task of revolutionaries in the United States as win over the undivided working class to revolutionary politics (even quoting Marx in good light.) This is essentially the same position espoused by North American libertarian communists. Even with this difference on the term communism, there does not seem to be a contradiction on class-analysis between the two groups.
So what of the major differences between the groups? It would appear that all the significant differences held are based on tactics and strategy. Firstly, Ruckus is absolutely clear in its view of race, as the chief factor used by the capital and the state to divide the working class. "The glue that has kept the American state together has been white supremacy; melting that glue creates revolutionary possibilities." While NEFAC also views race as a tool used "to divide and weaken the working class", and is putting more and more effort into addressing the issue of race and white supremacy, it has not yet voiced a strategic analysis similar to Ruckus'.
Another issue of strategic difference is national/continental versus regional organizing. In the document that lead to NEFAC's creation, Initiative for a NEFAC, the problem of great geographic distances between different parts of the North America is addressed by "regional federations" that would facilitate having "semi-regular meetings or conferences" of the federations. Ruckus simply proposes a national/continental federation, with little reference to regional federations. This isn't to say that NEFAC's goal isn't a national/continental federation: "Once a few regional federations are established, than we can talk about organizing nationally."
While there are surely other differences between the groups, it seems like they would be overshadowed by their similarities. If one common value held by the groups stands out more than the others, it should view be viewed as the fact that both NEFAC and Ruckus are dynamic organizations, progressing and developing with momentum and potential.
Conclusions
The Ruckus presentation and discussion at AK Press was stimulating and inspiring. The fact that so many people came out and showed interest in anarchist organization speaks of the potential for positive things to come. The work that Ruckus does with Phoenix CopWatch is a tangible asset, and is working towards providing an alternative direction for anti-authoritarians in our area.
NEFAC and the Ruckus collective are probably the two most active elements in agitating for cadre-like anarchist organization in North America. Given the overwhelming similarities held by the two groups, any effort to create new anarchist federations in North America should be coupled with an effort to synthesize the views held by the two groups, so that new federations may reap the benefits. Unless there is a significant point that this article overlooks or fails to understand, it seems that a serious effort towards creating this synthesis would have a high probability of success.
The organizationalist one is not always the strongest anarchist camp, and if we don't seize the opportunity to work and grow together, we risk mutual degeneration, and the weaking of organizationalism as a whole.
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an interesting, sort of, discussion is taking place on this subject here: http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=02/06/10/6342737
this type of discussion needs to happen here in the bay area. what is the purpose of working towards more formal anarchist organizations? what attempts have been made in the past? what did they do right? why did they ultimately fail to facilitate a more cohesive anarchist/anti-authoritarian praxis? how do we move past the scenester lifestylism into posing a real threat to the established order?
this type of discussion needs to happen here in the bay area. what is the purpose of working towards more formal anarchist organizations? what attempts have been made in the past? what did they do right? why did they ultimately fail to facilitate a more cohesive anarchist/anti-authoritarian praxis? how do we move past the scenester lifestylism into posing a real threat to the established order?
>how do we move past the scenester lifestylism into posing a real threat to the established order?
Take up arms.
Take up arms.
I don't believe Anarchism is possible, but if you want to convince people otherwise, the best way is to "just do it." Go ahead and form communities that provide a lifestyle equivalent to that of modern America, and perhaps you just may draw attention to the movement -- otherwise you're just spinning in a rut two centuries in the making.
In other words, why should the "average Joe" give up a comfortable lifestyle that has clearly demonstrated sustained progress in many areas, for a fantasy professed by a few alienated radicals?
In other words, why should the "average Joe" give up a comfortable lifestyle that has clearly demonstrated sustained progress in many areas, for a fantasy professed by a few alienated radicals?
Um, you do realize that this is the goal of most organized anarchists throughout the world? The #1 reason these fail is sustained, constant attacks from the state, who realize that successful communist/anarchist organizations represents the greatest threat to their system of exploitation. I can give you countless examples of people doing exactly what you are talking about, only to face violent opposition from city developers, police forces, landlords, bosses, etc. It is the entire history of the left, in fact. So either support these movements or not, but at least don't talk about something while mired in historical ignorance.
It doesn't matter if a lifestyle is practiced throughout the world if it is an "extremist" (not necessarily violent) lifestyle. If the goal is to remove governments, then it must be a lifestyle that appeals to the majority (entirety?) of the world.
I'd love to hear about some modern (past two decades) examples of American "anarchistic" communities. Please feel free to tell me how they were put down the "man."
Finally, a few more questions -- were the communes of the 1960's and 1970's examples of anarchy? Didn't they disappear largely because of a massive a loss of interest/belief by the participants?
I'd love to hear about some modern (past two decades) examples of American "anarchistic" communities. Please feel free to tell me how they were put down the "man."
Finally, a few more questions -- were the communes of the 1960's and 1970's examples of anarchy? Didn't they disappear largely because of a massive a loss of interest/belief by the participants?
I'm not here to teach you the history lessons that your public school failed to do. See:
1) Tompkins Square Park, 1990-2000
2) Chiapas, 1990-present
3) German/Italian squat community, 1985-present
As for hippie communes, that's not really what I'm talking about. I'm sure there were some anarchist communities, Tompkins Square Park is an example which really began in the late 60s.
1) Tompkins Square Park, 1990-2000
2) Chiapas, 1990-present
3) German/Italian squat community, 1985-present
As for hippie communes, that's not really what I'm talking about. I'm sure there were some anarchist communities, Tompkins Square Park is an example which really began in the late 60s.
Well I did do a bit of research, and it seems that Tompkins Square Park was (still is?) a squatters community of anarchists, artists, the homeless, etc. A brutal attack by the police in 1988 did not dissuade inhabitants, but the the focus of the Square shifted to gay rights a few years later. So, although anarchists lived as squatters, the community was not a model of anarchistic society (at least I hope not--you don't want the world to live in those conditions, do you?)
Obviously the other examples are of foreign communities, with the Mexican situation being a tangle of complex issues such as native American rights, "autonomous" communities, democratic movements, environmentalism, and the underlying dynamics of a civil war. I don't find it to be a particularly useful example of anarchy either.
As for specifically asking for American examples -- Anarchy operates under the false assumption that capitalism by nature is the exploitation of the worker. To point to just one obvious flaw in this delusion: the intellectual property rights of software writers. They are the property of the person who is both worker and owner of the endeavor, and thus someone who clearly falls outside the dated economic theories of "libertarian-socialism."
Furthermore, the world has shown a very strong interest in the benefits of a mature capitalist democracy (see recent Middle-East opinion polls indicating that while American policy is reviled, American culture and ideals are still enticing). Clearly what the typical citizen of the world wants is a high standard of living (apx. that of the American middle class) within a democratic government that retains their native cultural values. I believe even the Zapistas indicate that this is their main goal.
Agree or not, the only thing that should matter to the anarchist is the public's willingness to support Anarchy. Therefore, the Anarchist should only concern themselves with creating model communities.These communities must demonstrate how Anarchy can provide a standard of living equivalent to the American middle class without resorting to "exploitation." And that means an anarchist community that can foster developments in science and medicine, spur technological growth, build and maintain transportation and infrastructure, while creating a culture agreeable to the vast majority of the world's population.
Such a demonstration would be worth more to the movement than a thousand protest marches or a hundred-million leaflets. But I believe serious attempts remain untried because of the very realistic fear that Anarchy will fail on its own merits (as did Communism).
So here's to the dreamer, the dreamer who can conceive of dreams that survive reality.
Obviously the other examples are of foreign communities, with the Mexican situation being a tangle of complex issues such as native American rights, "autonomous" communities, democratic movements, environmentalism, and the underlying dynamics of a civil war. I don't find it to be a particularly useful example of anarchy either.
As for specifically asking for American examples -- Anarchy operates under the false assumption that capitalism by nature is the exploitation of the worker. To point to just one obvious flaw in this delusion: the intellectual property rights of software writers. They are the property of the person who is both worker and owner of the endeavor, and thus someone who clearly falls outside the dated economic theories of "libertarian-socialism."
Furthermore, the world has shown a very strong interest in the benefits of a mature capitalist democracy (see recent Middle-East opinion polls indicating that while American policy is reviled, American culture and ideals are still enticing). Clearly what the typical citizen of the world wants is a high standard of living (apx. that of the American middle class) within a democratic government that retains their native cultural values. I believe even the Zapistas indicate that this is their main goal.
Agree or not, the only thing that should matter to the anarchist is the public's willingness to support Anarchy. Therefore, the Anarchist should only concern themselves with creating model communities.These communities must demonstrate how Anarchy can provide a standard of living equivalent to the American middle class without resorting to "exploitation." And that means an anarchist community that can foster developments in science and medicine, spur technological growth, build and maintain transportation and infrastructure, while creating a culture agreeable to the vast majority of the world's population.
Such a demonstration would be worth more to the movement than a thousand protest marches or a hundred-million leaflets. But I believe serious attempts remain untried because of the very realistic fear that Anarchy will fail on its own merits (as did Communism).
So here's to the dreamer, the dreamer who can conceive of dreams that survive reality.
And, in fact, many parts of Spain continue to operate with collectives, workers collectives, etc. Unfortunately they are under constant attack from capitalism. Perhaps this explains in part the massive anti-capitalist rioting that goes on in Spain, even if our questioning friend here doesnt understand that.
The ultimate problem is that if people could live under capitalism collectively and without exploitation, they would already be doing it and a "revolution" would not be required. For instance, any number of homeless tent cities operate under anarchistic conditions, many of them inspired by or striving towards anarchist praxis. These are routinely attacked by the police. If you try to do buildings instead, you get the same treatment.
Our friend chose to ignore the highly developed and federated networks of squats throughout Italy, Germany, the Netherlands and really throughout Europe whenever possible. Again, these squats are routinely in conflict with the local police, motivated by rich developers.
These are even harder in the US where the police's relationship with wealthy developers is already established through Giuliani-ism, the tactics and strategies that were used in Tompkins Square Park have been adopted by cities throughout the country, including San Francisco and Oakland.
While it is easy to *say* that anarchists should spend more time building the new society in the shell of the old, and I agree that they should, especially in the US, the realities are far different and anyone who has tried would experience this. The system is set up so that you have to play by its rules. I thought most people had figured that out by now.
The ultimate problem is that if people could live under capitalism collectively and without exploitation, they would already be doing it and a "revolution" would not be required. For instance, any number of homeless tent cities operate under anarchistic conditions, many of them inspired by or striving towards anarchist praxis. These are routinely attacked by the police. If you try to do buildings instead, you get the same treatment.
Our friend chose to ignore the highly developed and federated networks of squats throughout Italy, Germany, the Netherlands and really throughout Europe whenever possible. Again, these squats are routinely in conflict with the local police, motivated by rich developers.
These are even harder in the US where the police's relationship with wealthy developers is already established through Giuliani-ism, the tactics and strategies that were used in Tompkins Square Park have been adopted by cities throughout the country, including San Francisco and Oakland.
While it is easy to *say* that anarchists should spend more time building the new society in the shell of the old, and I agree that they should, especially in the US, the realities are far different and anyone who has tried would experience this. The system is set up so that you have to play by its rules. I thought most people had figured that out by now.
I do not know anything about collectives in Europe so I can't comment on them.
Anarchists must own the land they build their communities on -- that's the law. If the Anarchy movement is too poor to even scrounge up the funds necessary to buy land in the southwest, then it is very telling about the movement's ultimate success with the middle class.
I think it's also very telling in that you implicitly conceeded that Anarchy is incapable of providing a culture as rich in ideas and development as a mature capitalist democracy, such as the US. If you don't see this as a fatal flaaw, then you're fooling yourself
Anarchists must own the land they build their communities on -- that's the law. If the Anarchy movement is too poor to even scrounge up the funds necessary to buy land in the southwest, then it is very telling about the movement's ultimate success with the middle class.
I think it's also very telling in that you implicitly conceeded that Anarchy is incapable of providing a culture as rich in ideas and development as a mature capitalist democracy, such as the US. If you don't see this as a fatal flaaw, then you're fooling yourself
To the statement "...the best way is to "just do it." Go ahead and form communities that provide a lifestyle equivalent to that of modern America, and perhaps you just may draw attention to the movement",...
>...constant attacks from the state, who realize that successful communist/anarchist organizations represents the greatest threat to their system of exploitation.
>...they are under constant attack from capitalism.
>These are routinely attacked by the police.
>...routinely in conflict with the local police, motivated by rich developers.
>These are even harder in the US where the police's relationship with wealthy developers is already established
>The system is set up so that you have to play by its rules.
..all I ever read are a bunch of excuses as to why it hasn't happened.
Organizing isn't enough. Organizing will never be enough. You need to get more serious. You must defeat your enemy in battle.
>...constant attacks from the state, who realize that successful communist/anarchist organizations represents the greatest threat to their system of exploitation.
>...they are under constant attack from capitalism.
>These are routinely attacked by the police.
>...routinely in conflict with the local police, motivated by rich developers.
>These are even harder in the US where the police's relationship with wealthy developers is already established
>The system is set up so that you have to play by its rules.
..all I ever read are a bunch of excuses as to why it hasn't happened.
Organizing isn't enough. Organizing will never be enough. You need to get more serious. You must defeat your enemy in battle.
STOP THE MURDER -- anyone want to join me tomorrow on GGB to march against pales. suicide bombers and for peace. no children under 15 allowed. we do not use kids as martyrs.
how many people risk their lives taking boats to cuba?
why don't you move to cuba and be assasinated by castro for even thinking of marching against his goverenment? you little marches on ggb....you would all be shot dead for doing that in cuba or china..think about it.
why don't you move to cuba and be assasinated by castro for even thinking of marching against his goverenment? you little marches on ggb....you would all be shot dead for doing that in cuba or china..think about it.
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