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Why do Palestinians enjoy slaughtering woman and children

by Steve (Steve_Meyer99 [at] yahoo.com)
Why do Palestinians enjoy slaughtering woman and children
TEL AVIV (June 1) - 1 year after the terrorist attack at the Dolphinarium complex in Tel Aviv, hundreds gathered next to the site of the suicide bombing, where a monument was dedicated in memory of the 21 victims.

Those in attendance included families and friends of the deceased, youths wounded in the attack, politicians, and diplomats.

"A Palestinian Genocidal suicide bomber chose to murder as many innocent teenagers as possible. The Jews he butchered, wanted to live and play and dance.
Here, in front of the sea's waves, their lives ended," said Tel Aviv Mayor Ron Huldai. To the families, Huldai added: "We go home, but you return home where there is someone missing."

Finance Minister Silvan Shalom said, we must stand up to the Palestinians angels of death. Silvan Shalom went on to say, the Europeans must stop appeasing the butchers of our teenagers.

Internal Security Minister Uzi Landau said, The barbarity of the Tel Aviv disco bombing, was a murderous act that reminds all Israelis, the evil we are dealing with. The Palestinians by targeting youngsters. The Palestinians set a new low for ruthless cruelty. Between the speeches, young friends of the victims spoke and sang about their losses. "All that is left now is a terrible, shocking stillness.

There is no more laughter and nowhere to go," one friend sang to the audience. A young violinist played a well-known song, "I Have Friends," and many audience members began to cry as the names of the victims wereread following the piece. Sergei Bogoliubov, who laid a wreath for his friend, Yelena Osache, sat with his friends next to the stage. "It has been very hard for us," he said.

While friends, families, and dignitaries laid wreaths, many young people gathered next to the discotheque entrance, where the explosion occurred. Yulia Bilzer, a friend of one of the victims, said: "This month feels very long. We have spent the time visiting our wounded friends in the hospitals." Several of the wounded youth came to the ceremony. One young girl, wearing a neck brace, screamed! Why do Arabs slaughter teenagers and children. Why Why!. This was 20th visit to the site of the attack.
by Dov
Good article for you. Who are we dealing with by Teddy Weiss Jerusalem Post
Aug 19, 01

How does one make peace with a Palestinian people who revel in the death of Jewish children. Who pass out sweets and dance in the streets, when suicide bombers slaughter Jewish civilians and children. I have no room in my heart, no pity and no mercy, for those who scream for Saddam Hussein to send anthrax-tipped missiles raining down on Tel Aviv, who celebrate the butchering of Israeli teenagers at the disco in June as an "act of Arab heroism."
When we hear, 80 percent of the Palestinians support suicide bombings against
Jewish civilians including children. One comes to the question, If we however continue to treat barbaric enemies with compassion and consideration; if we pursue a peace policy" with those who remain unalterably committed to our total annihilation, then we are the ones who need a psychologist.

Another article for you.
Night & day; tears by Binny Freedman Friday, August 10, 2001

Yesterday; Thursday, August 9th the 20th of Av, on my way to work, I found myself walking down Yaffo street. Hungry, I decided to stop and grab a quick bite at Sbarro's Pizza.

In the past 5 years I have frequented this establishment exactly twice. Walking into Sbarro's there is a larger area for sitting in the front, but the back looked a bit cooler and quieter, so I decided to grab a seat in the back. That decision saved my life.

Waiting on line, when they brought me the baked Zitti I asked for, it was cold.
So I asked the woman behind the counter if she'd mind warming it up. "Ein
Ba'ayah", no problem, she said with a smile. I will always wonder if that was her last smile on earth...

At about 2PM, I both felt & heard a tremendous explosion, and day turned into
night.
And then the screaming began. An awful, heartrending sound; the sound of people
coming to terms with a whole new reality, of people not wanting to comprehend that life has changed forever.

Those of us sitting in the back were spared, but I was afraid of panic, so I started yelling at everyone to quieten down; not to panic. The ceiling looked like it might cave in, but there is always the danger of a second explosion, detonated on purpose shortly after the first.

But then I smelled smoke, and was suddenly afraid the restaurant might be on foire. So we started climbing our way through the wreckage to the front.

Would there be another explosion? Would the roof collapse? Were we making the wrong decision, climbing through? There are momenmts that last a lifetime.

There are no words to describe what the front of Sbarro's Pizza looked like in the immediate aftermath of that explosion.

A woman was lying near the steps to the back. Her eyes were staring straight at me, following me. So full of pain and longing, sadness and despair. I dropped down becide her trying to ellicit a respoonse to see if she could speak. And then I watched the life just drain out of her. I tried to get a pulse, to no availability. She died there, on the steps in front of me. She was lying by the table I had decided not to sit at. Her eyes, I think, will stay with me forever. Imploring, beseeching, full of so much sadness. I think the shock of where and how she was, was sinking in. I can't begin to describe all that was
in those eyes.

There were bodies everywhere, and those images are in my mind; they won't let go. A child's body under the wreckage; a baby-carriage; limbs and a torso. A woman holding a motor-cycle helmet and screaming next to a person on the floor who had obviously been someone she was with.

And then the mad rush to help the ambulance and emergency crews get the wounded
out. They were obviously afraid of a second bomb, so there was no medical effort inside beyond getting the wounded on to stretchers and out. A religious Jew missing at least two Arms in tears and shock; what do you say? "yehiyeh Be'Seder" it'll be all right? Will it?

I happened to sit a bit to the left as you walk towards the back, and so the wall behind me shielded me from the blast. Another fellow whom we went back in to get wasn't so lucky. Sitting only 5 or 6 feet to my left, he caught the full force of the blast and was thrown in the air. When we got him on the stretcher he was bleeding profusely and was missing a leg. There are no words to describe what that man's hand, clenched around my arm, felt like. He just kept looking from me to his leg and back again. I started saying Tehillim (psalms).

So many mixed emotions fill my head today. I came home last night and gave each
of my children a very long hug. But there are so many families today who are waking up to the reality that life will never be the same. 15 funerals with friends and families saying goodbye to those they loved so, whose only crime was a desire for a slice of Pizza on a beautiful Jerusalem afternoon. What shocked me most, was seeing on TV, the Palestinians all over the West Bank, celebrating and dancing when they heard of the massacre. What kind of people, celebrate seeing innocent civilians and children slaughtered.

Another article for you. The Washington Post A War And Then A Wall

By George F. Will

Friday, August 17, 2001; Page A23

Among reasonable people, who are now impervious to the diplomats' anesthetizing
imbecilities about "preserving" the Middle East "peace process," there is a crystallizing consensus: Israel needs a short war and a high wall.
To understand the context of such thinking, consider what USA Today's Jack Kelley saw at the Aug. 9 terrorist bombing that killed 15 at the Jerusalem pizza restaurant. Kelley was 30 yards away when the terrorist detonated a bomb packed with nails:

"The blast sent flesh flying onto second-story balconies a block away. Three men were blown 30 feet; their heads, separated from their bodies by the blast, rolled down the glass-strewn street. One woman had at least six nails embedded in her neck. Another had a nail in her left eye. Two men, one with a six-inch piece of glass in his right temple tried to walk away. A man groaned. His legs were blown off. Blood poured from his torso. A 3-year old girl, her face covered with glass, walked among the bodies calling her mother's name. The mother was dead. One rabbi found a small hand against a white Subaru parked outside the restaurant."

As with the June bombing that killed 21 at a Tel Aviv disco, children were not collateral victims -- they were the targets. Abdallah al-Shami, a senior official of Islamic Jihad, celebrated "this successful operation" against "pigs and monkeys." Abdallhak also said, all Israeli civilians will be targeted.
We want to create fear and terror among every Israeli. That is a familiar rhetorical trope among those whom the calamitous Oslo "peace process" cast in the role of Israel's "partners for peace." In yet another of the constant violations of the Oslo requirement to stop anti-Jewish incitements, this was a recent broadcast from the moral cesspool that is the official television station of Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority: "All weapons must be aimed at the Jews whom the Koran describes as monkeys and pigs. We will enter
Jerusalem as conquerors. Blessings to he who shot a bullet into the head of a
Jew."

The State Department, that brackish and bottomless lagoon of obtuseness, where Secretary of State Colin Powell has gone native with disgusting speed, will respond with the rhetoric of moral equivalence -- "both sides" must stop "the cycle of violence" -- to whatever Israel does in self-defense. On Tuesday the department sank to self-caricature when it denounced as "provocative" Israel's brief incursion into the West Bank in pursuit of the perpetrators of suicide bombings. Colin Powell see's Oil being more important, that Jewish children being massacred.





by puzzled
Why does the IDF attack women and children? Why does the IDF destroy homes and churches? Why does the IDF allow innocent civillians to die and not allow them access to medical services?
by intifada
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by aaron
Israel is an expansionist theocracy jo jo

Have you seen a map of the occupied territories? The Israeli state subsidizes settlers to set up in the West Bank and Gaza. I heard Dr. Laura (surely a favorite of yours) say that the settlements take up only 3% of the occupied territories. This is a lie and she knows it. The infrastructure that supports the settlements (Jewish only roads, check-points etc) segments off Palestinean lands and altogether take up 42% of the occupied territories. How would you feel having your home destroyed, orchards flattened and then have people set up camp on your land? What would you feel when your usurper then has the temerity to proclaim themselves the victim?

It's funny hearing "small government" conservatives cheering on Israel. What could be more statist than the Israel settlements?

And like with Saddam Hussein in the 90s, the Shah from 1954-1979, America aids and abetts.

By the way, didn't I tell you to get a life, clown-boy?

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by aaron
it's not my style to tell people to suck dog dick.

But I do recommend that you formalize your relationship with your sister and get on with life.
by Son of Debate Coach
It is an egregious and unpardonable error in the realm of logic rhetoric and debate to try to parry a question by changing the subject and trying to blame the other side. Try answering the question as to why the PA and the terrorist groups that are so popular among the majority of Palestinians embrace murdering young and female civilians in Israel proper?

Israel has shown its willingness to negotiate and make concessions when presented with goodwill. It has equally shown its resolve not to negotiate under fire. When Israel has a partner in peace committed to an equitable peace there will be peace.
by Majeed Ashraf
Israel will allow "Palestinians" (everybody knows there's no such thing; they are just another Arab tribe) their "right of return" when Hashemite-led Jordan, Syria, Iraq, etc. allow all the "Palestinians" to return to those lands from which they were expelled. Do your homework, Aaron. The UN runs all these refugee camps. They churn out terrorists. Meanwhile, no Arab country makes any meaningful effort to aid the "Palestinians" in being able to leave these camps. They're perfectly happy to let the "Palestinians" wallow in desparation, because it allows them to champion their cause of "the Great Satan is the reason that we're a bunch of backward fucks that can't even satisfy the basic elements of a civilization, etc." Israel has transformed arid desert land into lush farms, while the only green thing to be found in the Arab world is unmitigated jealousy.
by bumpinthenight
The region is at war folks. Today, war target civilians. It is not the exclusive trait of any one group.

I would suggest to defend Israel by removing all Israeli citizens from the occupied territories. In turn giving the settlements to the local civilian population so they can start to rebuild their infrastructure and lives that they have been robbed of.

The bombing would stop.

Just another opinion. Don't like it ?


Bye Me! (peacefully)



242!










by kdjfkf
Actually, Palestinians don't like strapping bombs to kids and letting them blow up. What they really like are board games. They'd just sit around all day and night if they could and play board games, if they only had a Clue ®.
by aaron
The Israeli government under Barak offered a bantustan state to the Palestineans. The idea was to get the PA to administer territories that were surrounded by Israel checkpoints and security. Palestineans would have to go through checks to go from one zone to the other. It was not anything approximating a viable entity that Israel offered. It was a neo-colonial arrangement; Schlomo, from the Labor Party, identified it as such. Basic needs such as water would have been controlled by Israel. I have no doubt that the PA -- corrupt and inept as it is -- is willing to offer its services in a neo-colonial set-up, but not one as humiliating as the one Barak et al. offered.

Under Barak -- that alleged "leftist dove" -- settlements increased dramatically in the occupied territories.

Palestinean attacks on Israel civilians are the outcome of the horrific and hopeless conditions that Israel has insisted on imposing. I think it's important to acknowledge the humiliation of the occupation -- tearing down people's homes, destroying their orchards, the constant surveillance and checkpoints, the torture and killings.

Killing Israeli civilians is not only totally objectionable morally, it is also a horrible tactic/strategy. Sharon is strengthened by these attacks, and, it seems to me, he deliberately provokes them knowing they provide the perfect pretext for his military plans vis a vis his vision of a "Greater Israel". It is known that Israel encouraged and aided Hamas in the late 80's as a counter-point to the PLO. Islamists have been used by governments throughout the region in this way. Indeed, the US has used Islamists for its own ends, as we all now know.

"Ashraf" repeats the despicable lie that Israeli settlers encountered (and still presumably encounter) a barren land upon arriving in Palestine. What colonizing power doesn't make such a claim?

I agree, however, that the Arab governments are corrupt and use the Palestinean cause to their own benefit, mainly as a means of deflecting opposition to their own rule. But let us remember, most are close allies -- if not outright puppets -- of the US.
Because it is a custom. Just imagine the if the south had won the civil war. Rebel attacks against the free north would also be a custom.

Or if the U.S. was a anarchy. Many customs of killing innocents would be acceptable to all the waring tribes here.

When mindless children blinded by custom walk among other children to kill them, it is time to end this custom.

As passive an individual as I am. Choosing only words till I am impacted with pain, I would enjoy popping a homicide bomber or two. Without reservation or regret.
by intifada
JoJo, your understanding of who and what suicide bombers are is pretty limited. This is understandable, since you are the typical ignorant American that it is ridiculed worldwide.

Only some suicide bombers are religious. Very fewer have religious motivations for their attacks. The attacks are based on a form of warfare that has evolved from guerilla tactics. These tactics are used by a smaller force (like a force comprised of "the people" rather than "the state"). Most of them are convinced that suicide bombing is for them out of desperation, a sense of hopelessness, and a hatred of the occupation soldiers who have fucked with them on a daily basis since they were tiny children.

Unfortunately, ignorant pieces of shit like you, JoJo, don't have a shred of understanding and prefer to get that understanding from right-wing "edutainment" in the United States rather than studying, learning, going to the region, etc.

JoJo, your stupidity is eclipsed only by your willingness to lick the boots of any so-called government authority. Shoot yourself.
by z
Wow, intifada, you're a genius. I never realized that most homicide bombers are agnostic.

I dunno, but to me it would kinda suck to kill myself for the cause and not be able to look from heaven, with my virgin brides, at the results of my actions.

Dumbass.
by JoJo Gunn licks dog butt !!
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by JoJo Gunn LICKS HIS DOGS BALLS
JoJo Gunn LICKS HIS DOGS BALLS CAUSE HES A FASCIST ZIONAZI !!!
PALESTINE WILL BE FREE !!
ZIONAZIS OUT OF PALESTINE !! OR DIE !!! ZIONAZIS OUT OF PALESTINE !! OR DIE !!! ZIONAZIS OUT OF PALESTINE !! OR DIE !!! ZIONAZIS OUT OF PALESTINE !! OR DIE !!!
by We are an homicidal culture, please help us..
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We are an homicidal culture, please help us create our own state.
by aaron
How many times in this forum have you uttered the phrase 'Islamic sewage'? It appears to be a favorite of yours. A principled anti-fascist, you are. Bright, too.

If you're interested in rooting out anti-semitism perhaps you should take a survey of those who've supported Zionism. For starters, meditate upon: Richard Nixon, Pat Robertson, and Jean-Marie Le Pen.

It actually makes sense that anti-semites would want to see Jews sequestered in a land far away, under conditions which will tend to exacerbate anti-Jewish feelings. It's pretty difficult to claim that Israel has made Jews safer as a people.

American anti-semites have been willing to tolerate Israel because it is a strategic base, an air-craft carrier of sorts for the empire.

From its conception and inception, Israel was reactionary. Pre-1948, Zionists appealed to European leaders for support for the establishment of Israel on the basis that it would mean they would have far fewer working class radicals to contend with. Zionists were not above appealing to anti-semitic impulses in order to institute the state of Israel.

I'm pleased to hear that you concede that Israel is a theocracy. Very good jo jo.

My understanding is that Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Iran (Persian not Arab) are theocracies as well. The first two are close allies of the US, so I presume that you're pretty keen on them.

Goodnight dickhead.


by Todd (elomeno)
JoJO Gun is the only person on this page that makes any sense! The anti-war crowd are helping the Islamic extremists, just as the anti-war activist helped the vietcong in the 60's. Both belived in suppresion of human rights and freedoms. The hippies thought they were going to create a utopia, but it crashed into widescale drug abuse and chaos that was the 70's.
Goddess bless America!
by K
I totally agree with ya Todd. I mean, compare him to the Islamic Sewage on this site... they're fucking idiots. All they do is make up bullshit that has absolutely no basis whatsoever. I fucking hate Muslims. For what they do to Jews. For what they did on Sep. 11th. For their inhumanity.

And JoJo, I know all the politics and history concerning the Middle East, and noone here argues more accurately than you.
by aaron
Jo Jo's cheer-leaders, like Jo Jo himself, have nothing intelligent to contribute to the debate on the Middle East. Not one of you fools has addressed, let alone come close to refuting, the substance of my previous postings. You rightists are quite capable when it comes to vomitting bile all over indymedia. Presenting a cogent argument -- well, that's another matter altogether.

Since 911 rightwingers have become pretty fucking bellicose. For a little while there many were susceptible to your simplifications and all-American belligerence. But with each passing day, more and more people see you all for what you in fact are: Contemptible, brain-dead sheep.
by aaron
Thanks jo jo for setting me straight.
I'm a nazi sewer diving toilet overflow.
You're right and I'm wrong. You made a great argument. I like how you tease out the contradictions and nuances and present a new and profound synthesis. You're nothing short of a dialectical genious.

I just wish I could hold and carress you.






by Todd
Writing JoJoGun fuck's a sheep a million times just proves how"open-minded" the leftist's are. America would not be at war right now if it wern't for Islamic belligerence, despite all the lame conspircy theory's you have.
Berkeley has become a feakish sideshow to the rest of the country. Since they protest so many crazy things, who can take them seriously, I live in Philadelphia and all of us know how Mariane Faulkner(the widow of Danial Faulker who was murded by Weasly"Mumia"Cook Jamal) was treated at Berkeley.
And Lee Harvy Oswald, acting alone, shot J.F.K.
by aaron
Whoever is writing that boy jo jo is getting fucked by sheep is just a silly ass. I wouldn't be at all surprised if was jo jo himself. In any case, to blame it on straw-men "leftists" is pretty weak.

Todd says that the US wouldn't be at war right now if it weren't for Islamic belligerence. The implication here is that the US is a pacific force in the world that rarely, and only under duress, wages war. Those who don't look at history through a patriotic/chauvinistic lens know this complete horseshit.

In the past twenty years, how many countries has the US invaded and bombed Todd? Please, Todd, tell us about US policy in Central America in the past century. Explain to us "leftists" how beneficent the US ruling class has been to the poor in that region. Impart to us the patriotic wisdom on the US/CIA coups in Iran in '53, Guatamala in '54, Chile in '73.... Teach us about US support for Saddam Hussein throughout the 90's, before and after he gassed the Kurds. Sanctimoniously hold forth on US human rights with reference to Mobuto, Duvalier, Somoza, Marcos, the Shah, Pinochet, Sharon.... Give a quick seminar on US support for Islamist's, including Bin Laden, in Afghanistan in the 80's....

Hit the books jackass.
by aaron
I can clean your clock by sticking to the issues. You, on the other hand, believe that toilet-based epithets suffice.

I invite Eric, Smash, Todd, and you (and whoever else) to weight-in ON THE ISSUES, without resort to straw-man arguments and other feeble attempts to deflect attention from the right's essential incompetence.

by potty mouth
You can tell a lot about people by noting what talk about most.

"Pee-pee, doo-doo, no-no, hmmmmn, yum-yum, JoJo like."
by Tin Man
Geo Will was ahead of the curve on this.
by Todd
First I used the word "Leftist's" for all the mentions of the word "right-wingers".
The U.S. did not to my knowledge suppoted Saddams regime in anyway after desert storm. Support for Saddam during the 80's was due to the eight year Iran/Iraq war since Iran held americans hostage and was belligerant to U.S. interests(ask any Iranian today and they are sick of the reighning clerics).
The Soviet Union was the one that helped set up the Bath party(and other dictatorships as well)
which was an arab version of the Communist party.
The U.S. is not perfect when it comes to Cental and South America, but the Cold war had to be fought, and the U.S. has given Billions to those nations in foreign aid since the 1950's.
It's impossable to run a nation of our size and be politicaly correct about everything, it would be suicide!
Long live JoJo!


by Todd
First I used the word "Leftist's" for all the mentions of the word "right-wingers".
The U.S. did not to my knowledge suppoted Saddams regime in anyway after desert storm. Support for Saddam during the 80's was due to the eight year Iran/Iraq war since Iran held americans hostage and was belligerant to U.S. interests(ask any Iranian today and they are sick of the reighning clerics).
The Soviet Union was the one that helped set up the Bath party(and other dictatorships as well)
which was an arab version of the Communist party.
The U.S. is not perfect when it comes to Cental and South America, but the Cold war had to be fought, and the U.S. has given Billions to those nations in foreign aid since the 1950's.
It's impossable to run a nation of our size and be politicaly correct about everything, it would be suicide!
Long live JoJo!


by just wondering
Why did the Cold War "have" to be fought?
by Todd
Why the cold war had to be fought?
1.Becouse the Soviet bloc was very belligerant towards western"free" europe and the west(which is why NATO was formed).!
2.Communism threated the freedom of millions of people around the world.
3.The Soviets were aiming nukes at us if you have'nt forgotten(or born yet).
4.The Soviet's plan was world domination and the spread of communism throughout the world."we well bury you!".
5.The Soviets were also, resposable for alot of the dictatorships in the middle east,Africa and Asia as well.
6.the Berlin wall
7.Gulags
8.Cuba
9.etc.etc.
by aaron
his mommy's changing his diapers.
by GUNN FAN
Jo Jo Gunn does not suck and I would suggest that you pull your cap on straight and then seek gainfull employment, its the first step on your road back!
by Poor Goy!
I remember several thousand years ago a woman named Sara decided to have a child, Sara, with her own fertility problems decides to have her husband rape the housekeeper! The housekeeper , a young arab woman named Hagar gave birth to a baby boy given the name Ishmael. Well a little time goes by and low and behold old Abe manages to impregnate his wife Sara. Sara's estrogen flux (Andrea Yates?), gives her an idea. She will send her housekeeper along with her husbands first born son into the desert to die. I hear the Law & Order DOING DOING!
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