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Protester Detained For Carrying Palestinian Flag

by anon
A protester was detained and questioned after trying to take a Palestinian flag onto the Golden Gate Bridge. American nationalists take flags onto the bridge walkway all the time. In this country you only seem to have Freedom of Speech if you believe what they tell you to believe.
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§CHP Detains man for supporting Palestine
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§Some Flags Are Allowed On The Bridge
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by Good work
Thanks for showing what our protest was about with that excellent flag - I can pass this picture around and people will know.
by kim
"I can pass this picture around and people will know"

They will know we support bloodthirsty fanatic nationalist terrorists.
by GGBridgeMarcher
That was the most moving march that I've been a part of. And as you can see, the struggle has been made around free speech on the bridge and the authorities have been exposed despite their attempt to use the "stuck in traffic" thing to detract people from our message when as everyone who was there could see - they blocked the traffic.

The Palestinian families who came out and challenged the US government are very courageous and we must fight for the charges to be dropped against Sophia, Musa, and all the protesters.

This march was also different because it was clearly upholding the leadership of oppressed people themselves and not contolled by some reactionary white left group who may be able to pull off a big rally with all their funding but didn't have the heart to come out for this.

Let's build a real MASS movement!!

join the http://www.allpeepsco.org

by Devil's Advocate
Ok, crybabies! I guess the rules are not supposed to apply to you folks. Give me a break!

"The march was allowed on the condition that activists would not carry signs, banners or noisemakers such as bullhorns or drums, said Currie. Officers stationed at the entrance to the bridge checked each protester and removed such items from some of them."
by Dave Campbell
Yeah, I guess we should stop "whining" when our First Amendment rights are trampled on. We should just accept whatever arbitrary regulations the cops make up on the spot, instead of taking the First Amendment at face value.

People flying American flags from their SUV antennas (violating the Flag Code!) are okay; people carrying Palestininan flags aren't. People walking across the bridge are alright, unless they have the gall to say something the authorities don't like. And what about that airplane flying around the Bridge with the banner: "U.S. and Israel, Partners Against Terror"? If it had been flying with a banner declaring (accurately), "U.S. and Israel, Partners In Terror", do you think the CHP helicopter would have let it continue? Hell no, they'd have radioed for the Air National Guard to force it down!
by Dave Campbell
To the All Peeps guy "proud to have been there"

Sorry I (one of those despised white leftists) was late, but the CHP was tying up traffic pretty bad (and blaming it on the protest, of course - even though the protesters were walking on the pedestrian walkway and not blocking anybody, as all the pictures and video document).

I got there just in time to see Adib brought into the cop shack, and hung around until he was released. At that point, the demo was already halfway across the Bridge, and getting jumped on.

If I'm bad for being where I was instead of where you were, then so were all the other folks who were there too.

And if you really want to build unity and solidarity, messages like yours are exactly the *wrong* way to go about it. "Reactionary white leftists" indeed.

I guess the mid-80s aren't so long ago after all...
by Dave Campbell
... and at least I have the "heart" to use my *real* name.
by Patient Zero
"They will know we support bloodthirsty fanatic nationalist terrorists."

No, Kim, we do not support Israel.

by Sponggo
Is this the Sissy Cop? He looks like a sissy, just check out the Jean-Paul Gaultier frames he's got on.
He also looks like Gomer Pyle's brother. Goooolllllyyy!
by christine
what a shame that this man could not practice his freedom of speech. i find it disgusting that this country is supporting israel. the only reason palestine is reduced to bombings and throwing rocks is because their land was taken away from them!
i want you to close your eyes and imagine that some country, let's say canada, comes into the u.s. and starts taking YOUR land away. now tell me you won't fight your a$$ off to get your land back.

oh wait, the u.s. has already done that: to the native americans.

what a shame. i'm embarrased to be an american.
by Gil
Does anybody know under which law the individuals detained were detained?
by nEIL rHODES (neil.rhodes1 [at] ntlworld.com)
I'm English and attended the last pro-Palestian march in the England were 50,000 people turned up all allowed to carry Drums, Loudspeakers, Banners, Flags whatever they liked and marched thru traffic all the way to Trafalgar Square.

Odd I thought it was America that stood for freedom isn't that what Bush keeps telling me? All I see is Tyranny.

I have been to plenty of demos and marches in the UK and never once have banners or flags been banned. Isn't the banner a fine expression of freedom of speech. Isn't it the whole point of a demonstration to give an opportunity those who feel their voice is not heard nor repressented by the powers that be to feel like they can be heard and can express their views?

All this censorship leads to is radicalisation when you take away peoples voices some inevitably feel the push to make themselves heard in other ways.

To those who think this is just whining someone once said... "It's alright now when its my freedom their taking away, you do nothing now but what happens when its your freedom their taking who'll help you then"

The only time I remember flags being banned in the UK was when the Chinese President came to London and Tibetan flags were banned which caused a massive uproar in the press. Maybe there's a great example of were Americas headed the Chinese way.
by forii
You should remember that the Golden Gate bridge is not just a bridge, it is also a major highway (US 101) that, even on the best of days, is quite narrow and dangerous. The "no flags and banners" prohibition was made because they are considered to be too distracting to the drivers crossing the bridge. Notice that the flags were allowed *off* the bridge, just not allowed to be carried on.

The same reasoning was used by the CHP to remove text banners off of overpasses last fall, when people were not just satisified with hanging American flags, but started writing long messages.
by John
It appears that the US government has taken a page from the Nazi Gestape training manual and put it into practice. The banning of any flags that represent unpopular or politically incorrect countries or beliefs is but the first step towards the police/totalitarian state that suppresses any ideas that the authorities fear may expose the hypocrisy and underlying destructiveness of their coercive system of thought control. The edict that issues from the mouths of the propagandists that dissension and questioning the commands of the powers that be is tantamount to disloyalty and giving aid an d comfort to the terrorists. Furthermore, they assert that we must now surrender some of our precious freedoms in exchange for safety in the war on(or rather of) terror. This is analagous to an example of the Fire department saying to the homeowner "Please understand, we need to burn down your house to protect it from arsonists. Trust us, it's really for your own good..." These freedoms contained in the Bill of Rights that we are asked to relinquish to the authorities are like the house that gives us some measure of shelter from the forces that would employ all that is in their arsenal to harm and control us. If we believe that we are exempt from the same consequences that befell other nations that trod down the same path in the recent past because of a belief in our divine province, then we are quilty of the same shortsightedness and arrogance. If we as a people do not shake ourselves from this torpor that grips us we risk being the sheep that contentedly chew the grass oblivious to the slaughter that awaits us, instead of the deer that is constantly vigilant and alert to signs of danger. One, through its dulled complacency will allow itself to be killed, while the other sees the danger and runs away from it. Selective freedom of speech is not free speech. all opiniions and ideas must be allowed expression otherwise, we will become the 21st century Imperial Rome/Nazi Germany.
by Christopher W. Jones (cjones2 [at] woh.rr.com)
Christine, While I admire your sense justice and share in your outrage of what is being done in the name of America, I can't agree with being ashamed to be American. I still recall the 50's 60's and the 70's. I recall going to rallies. I recall drinking from the "colored" fountains. And, I recall people being "ashamed about being white" Instead of being ashamed, take action! When I was demonstrating about the war in VietNam I used to hear the slogan, "America, love it or leave it." The counter to that was, "America, change it or lose it." It's time we changed it!
by Nader
In this so called free country, most filtering services block this website (indymedia.org) because it comes under "questionable" category.

The filtering/cache service im talking about is AKAMAI.
by Adeel
I agree with christine..we should be ashamed of being americans but then after shame comes the time to work..it was our ancestors which destroyed the indians..its our chance to conserve wats left..to change our ways to work together and be freerer than what our goverments let us be. Christine..its upto u to let ur near and dear ones know about the turh that people around the world face just like palestine or kashmir or chechnya or bosnia..and not the israeli bought american press tell us. Let humans live freely and peacefully..before we kill each other and make a mess of this world for our children
by Adeel
in the above comment that "turh" was supposed to be 'truth'..
PLease people increase ur awarenes...read the news from the perspective of those who are opressed. what is the justification of using a multi million dollar daisy cutor or a JDAM bomb to destroy a 100 dollar or less costly hut of bricks in Afganistan while osama remains nowhere to be found...one planes goes over and drops ellow bombs..the next drops yellow food packets...who are we trying to kid? what kinda war is it. Why not ask WHY..9/11 happened first before bombing another village. Why do we say iraq is acquiring weapons when we have two nofly zones on both ends of the country and monitoring almost every inch of it. Why is war so important to this administration
7 of the alleged hijackers have turned up alive and well..the saudi prince who came here told the press about t but they never published it why? Why is it that when a suicide bomber kills someone in Israel..we see the bloody corpses..or the ambulances whil when a car bomb explodes killing a palestinian..no pictures are shown..or no such 'bloody' pictures are shown..why the hypocricy..the answers u have to find for urselves..please...end this terrible war which is spreading out of control...
by Jarrod_L
It's a disgusting sight to see in the good ol' US of A, that's for sure. When a check is made out to a political canidate, it suddenly becomes a guaranteed right, but carrying a flag does not enjoy that same freedom of speech protection!!

Could anyone tell me what is going on in this country??!?!
by Noe Valley
Europe and the Muslim war against the Jews
By ROBERT S. WISTRICH


The Islamic cocktail of fanatical religious passion, Jew-hatred, and warlike zeal has been further inflamed by the violently anti-Israel coverage in most of the European media

The rising tide of anti-Semitic vitriol across Europe with synagogues burning in Paris, London and Marseilles, and the old pogromist cry of "Death to the Jews!" once more echoing from Brussels to Kiev has shocked many in Israel and the Diaspora. Such hostility has not been seen since the end of World War II and has exposed the dormant genocidal demons still lurking beneath the civilized veneer of Europe, as well as the hollowness of its pretensions to moral superiority. Much less attention has been paid, however, to the massive Muslim contribution to this wave of anti-Semitism which in Europe and the West has found its most enthusiastic supporters among recent Arab and Muslim immigrants. Since October 2000, there has been an alarming rise in the number of anti-Semitic assaults on Jewish communities around the world for which young Muslims have been responsible and nowhere is this more apparent than in France. These new immigrants carry with them anti-Semitic baggage from their mother countries and Islamic culture.

Their hatred is further reinforced by the malevolently Judeophobic sermons heard in their local mosques or the scenes of "martyrdom" continually relayed by satellite TV programs from the Middle East. This highly explosive cocktail of fanatical religious passion, Jew-hatred, and warlike zeal sentiments perfectly encapsulated in the concept of Jihad (Holy War) has been still further inflamed by the violently anti-Israel coverage of the Palestinian intifada in most of the French and European media.

Not only that, but the Muslim war against the Jews, especially in Europe, is also fuelled by their feelings of alienation, exclusion, and marginalization largely the product of an unsuccessful integration into the majority culture. Many Muslims see themselves as victims of European racism and displace their rage against the far more successful Jews whose influence they tend to exaggerate. Their frustrations and resentment have led to an intense though vicarious identification with the Palestinian victims of "Israeli aggression." Meanwhile, the Jews particularly in France with the growing spectre of Le Pen adding fuel to the flames find themselves caught between the new Islamic Judeophobia, the anti-Arab xenophobia (anti-Semitically tinged) of the Front National, and the Israelophobia of much of the European mass media.

ONE OF the paradoxes of the present situation is that only with the electoral success of Le Pen have the Western media begun to acknowledge (though somewhat grudgingly) that anti-Semitism is indeed a problem, though wherever possible it is subordinated to the wider issue of racism and anti-racism. But when it comes to Muslim anti-Semitism, the West inexplicably looks the other way.

The ubiquity of Muslim incitement against Jews from Cairo to Damascus, Baghdad, Teheran, and Lahore is barely commented upon. Its direct connection to the terrorist war of the Islamists against Israel and the West is underplayed, if it is mentioned at all. Even the deluge of venomous Judeophobia widely available in Arab and Muslim bookshops and on video cassettes in Europe itself, is rarely investigated though it clearly amounts to a culture of incitement. Holocaust denial material, when sponsored, promoted, or disseminated by Muslims, arouses only a small ripple of interest yet the same phenomenon when it can be linked to neo-Nazis or neo-fascists is most extensively covered by the Western media.

Another virtually taboo subject is the close resemblance between Nazi and Islamic anti-Semitism. This is apparent in the visual imagery of the Arab press which endlessly indulges in hideous stereotypes of Jews reminiscent of the classic Nazi propaganda rag, Der Stuermer.

Muslims have largely taken over the Nazi conspiratorial view of world Jewry as a giant octopus controlling the world's wealth and mass media, manipulating the US, fomenting wars and revolutions, and seeking to dominate the planet by subverting all rivals especially Islam. Israel, in particular, is portrayed as the incarnation of evil, populated by criminal racists and Shylocks in military uniform, whose policies include spreading drugs, vice, prostitution, AIDs, and the cultural poisons of modernity into Muslim society. From there it is but a small leap to embracing the idea that all the Jews of Israel should be eliminated. Hence the widespread glorification among Palestinians, Arabs, and millions of Muslims of the suicide bombers who deliberately target innocent Israeli civilians. But to discuss these causes and effects would, it appears, be most inconvenient to the good conscience of many self-righteous Europeans. After all, only 60 years ago the unquenchable hatred we are now seeing on the Muslim street was also rampant among the peoples of Europe whose complicity and in many cases active collaboration made the Nazi extermination of Jews possible.

But the impeccably "anti-racist" and humanist Europeans of today prefer not to recognize their handiwork in the perverted and genocidal ideology of Islamist anti Semitism, for which historically they bear considerable guilt.

Instead they stand by almost silently when they are not actively denying the existence of Muslim Jew-baiting or trying to excuse it as a purely political act of "resisting the (Israeli) occupation." This trivializing response to the Muslim war against the Jews (which has its counterparts in Israel and the Diaspora) reminds me of the failure of the West to effectively counter Nazi anti-Semitism. It smacks of appeasement, cowardice, and a failure to confront Europe's inner demons which have instead been projected with almost hysterical fury against the alleged sins of the Jewish State.

But the "original sin" of European racism will not be so easily exorcised, and deflecting it against Israel is likely to prove as suicidal as the exploding bombers who are wrecking the Palestinian cause.

The writer is Professor of European History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and a senior research associate at the Shalem Center.
by farzana
Maybe if it was the banner of the KKK, or Nazis he wouldn't have given the poor guy so much trouble.
I have found that if I bring up any injustice that our foreign policy has done, I am called "left winged"....but, if I was a nazi, or zionist, or KKK member, I would be called "right winged".
by COLONEL
This man should instead have carried the flag of Islam
LAILAHAILALA, MUHAMMEDURASULALLAH
by COLONEL
HE SHOULD HAVE CARRIED THE FLAG OF "lailahailalaMuhammedRasulallah".

This is what the stars & stripes flag should be replaced with anyway.

INSHALLAH
by Fieszal Nezam
Colonel, you are 100% right.
Qur'an- (30:22) , (49:13) , (9:71) , (49:10)
If we don't stand together, the second most precious thing ,Allah has given us, will be trumped up by the use of the word "Terrorism", to subjugate Muslims.
F.N.
by Major_Sakk
"HE SHOULD HAVE CARRIED THE FLAG OF "lailahailalaMuhammedRasulallah".

This is what the stars & stripes flag should be replaced with anyway. "

Thanks for perpetuating the Expansionist Islamic Radical stereotype... The war on terrorism couldn't survive without you!

by Fieszal Nezam
Thank you Major_Sakk,
For proving that ignorance about a subject ,allows one to be easily be taken in by propoganda and be manipulated . You should learn a little more about Islam, before you go start making sweeping generalizations.
I know you are not stupid. PROTECT YOURSELF WITH KNOWLEDGE.
Get yourself a copy of: What Everyone Should Know About Muslims And Islam --- by: Suzanne Haneef
or the simple and easy choice,
the complete Idiot's Guide To Understanding Islam ---by: Yahiya Emerick
We Muslims become better educated ,when non-Muslims know more about us, than we know about ourselves. An educated biased view always brings things into perspective.
F.N.
by Major_Sakk
FN

I studied some of the world's religions while in college, and can tell you that I thought Islam was one of the more enlightened religions (I'm not a big fan of ANY organized religion, but that's a different subject).

The problem, in any religion, lies at the fringes - as you probably know even the most carefully written text can be interpreted by extremists to support their cause (i.e. - fundamentalist Christians quoting the Bible to excuse the killing of doctors that perform abortions).

This applies to Islam as well. The quote I was initially responding to is, in my opinion, one of those expressed by someone on the outside of mainstream Islamic thought. I hope so anyway - because if THAT is mainstream thought, we're (speaking as a Westerner) heading towards a religious/cultural war with the Muslim world.
by Fieszal Nezam
Major_Sakk,
Very few non-Muslim Westerners are even aware of the ongoing struggle between mainstream and Fundamentalist Islam. Muslims don't like to air out their dirty laundry. We try to clean things quickly, inorder to not allow the smell to discomfort others.
We are not in support of regimes who oppress the people.That is why we migrate away from those countries. Our greatest struggle will be against Fundamentalist Islam because the west (America) continues a foreign policy that creates poverty in the world. And poverty is the breeding ground for Fundamentalism.
F.N.
by Y K A
Just as every good mathematician applies the fundamentals of maths and every good physicists applies the fundamentals of physics, every good muslim is a fundamentalist, because we thrive to abide by the fundamental principles laid down by Allah swt.

True - the flag should be the black flag and we should be united inshAllah - All of our ummah being oppressed should carry the same black flag (inshAllah) then many would wake up and see this is not a war on terrorism - but it is an ongoing war between capitialism and islam - between an unseen evil and the good - between shaytaan and ur nafs and good.

May Allah swt guide us all.

People who label others extreme - what is the benchmark? Ask urself what do u conform to?

50 years ago american n british women dressed modestly and wore long skirts and there r other similar exaples of atticates (adab in arabic) - but this has plumetted - women dress half naked nowadays n things keep getting worse - what is the limit?

Muslims follow the limits set by Allah swt - THERE IS NO REFORMATION

Its funny how all this crime and dirt has risen since the islamic state (a TRULY just empire that ruled for more then 1400 years) declined in 1924...

check this:

http://www.khurasaan.com/s_content.php?id=2002-03-30-3322

go to http://www.khurasaan.com for the latest in news of the ummah

ws

by Eric Choski
Who the hell are you people? Why don't you read your god damn Kuran again... Get off the freakin' streets and mind your own business, be American. That's where you are now right? If so, then why are you defending "Islam?" That is a totaly different realm in the world. Maybe you should just go back to your "Islamic" world. And leave the Jews alone already!!! You've been giving them a hard time for more than five thousand years!!! If you are not happy in this world, strap on some TNT, but press the button in the middle of some corn field or something.
by lurie
5000 years. hmm. okay... quickly - how long ago was it that jesus christ was born? Are you aware of when the prophet mohammad was alive?
by Eric Choski
Here you go Click on this link. LINK Sorry I was off by a couple hunder years. Next time don't you any lame ass excuses please...
by Fieszal Nezam
Thank you Eric Choski, for allowing me to better discover , "who i am". That was your question."Who are you people?"
In the realm of creation , Islam makes a clear distinction: There is God and everything besides Him. With created things ( the everything besides him ), there are two basic categories:whatever is surrendered to God's will and whatever is resisting His will. You are either following God's way or the wrong way. All inanimate matter, such as rocks, comets, water, and even atoms, follows well-defined natural laws regarding their motion, atomic structure, properties and qualities. Islam holds that God established all natural laws and thus every physical material in the universe is surrendered to His will - that is, everything does what it was created to do. In that vein of thought,then, the entire nonliving universe is considered to be surrendered to God. The whole universe follows Islam.
Thus, the Qur'an states that the entire physical universe is Muslim. How can this strange statement be explained? If the word Islam means to surrender to Allah (God) and to acquire peace, then someone or something that does this is called a Muslim, or surrendered one. This is how the label "Muslim" can be applied to things other than people. Note the similarity between the word Islam and Muslim. Both have the letters S, L, and M. The way Arabic works is simple. You take a base of consonants that have a plain meaning ( a root word ) and then you add or subtract prefixes and sufixes and alter the vowel patterns to form new, related words. Think about the English word "cover". You can have ; covered, recover, unrecoverable, covering, uncovered, undercover, and so on. Arabic works in a similar fashion. So the name of the religion is Islam and a person or thing that follows Islam is called a Muslim, or surrendered one, and because the word is generic it can be applied to non-living things as well - whatever follows God's will ( Islam ) is a Muslim.
For me, as a Muslim, Islam is not a mere belief - system, an ideology or religion. But a total way of life. A complete system governing all aspects of my existence, both individually and collectively. Freeing me from the material and animal human urges.
However i am portrayed ,is mainly due to lack of understanding resulting huge inaccuracies.The Western media, for reasons which are questionable, distorts not only the details of the Islamic system, but also the fundamental concepts and teachings of the religion.
In history, Islam and Christendom confronted each other as enemies during the Crusades and afterwards. And the propaganda against the enemy and it's beliefs and way of life which is common during times of conflict, whether it be true or false has never been laid to rest in the Western world. The confused and distorted picture of Islam ,is also partly due to the behavior of many Muslims, those who profess this faith but do not live by it, often doing everything which it does not permit and doing nothing which it requires. Also, many people in the Western world ,think of any religious system in terms of Christian concepts and values and also undoubtedly due to the fact that many people in the West, particularly in America ( like yourself ), have such an unquestionable conviction of the innate superiority and rightness of the American or Western way of life that they do not consider it necessary or important to be accurately informed about others' viewpoint and ways of life.
We live in an age of tremendous upheaval and uncertainty. People everywhere are groping anxiously for something that can save humanity. It seems to have lost it's way and is on the brink of unprecedented disaster. It may be true today we live in an era of the ultimate in material civilization in progress, but in the realm of values and morals mankind appears to be close to bankruptcy. If i surrender to becoming American will these problems go away? I think not. Becoming American will not broaden my concepts, beliefs and attitude towards life.Towards myself and other human beings, towards the universe. To develope a personality, a distinctive human, interacting and developing and ultimatly contributing in worship to my creator, family life, manners, living habits, and so on in relation to all aspects of life.
Core Beliefs of Islam:
Belief in God.
Belief in the Angels.
Belief in the revealed Books of God.
Accepting that there will be a last day.
Belief in the divine measurement of human affairs.
Belief in a life after death.

The belief in Islam, trancends time. Why would i limit myself to only being ,American.
F.N.
by Fieszal Nezam
Eric Choski,
I hate to assume, but your link would tend to make me believe ,your a believer in the Bible / Torah. If so, could you explain the meaning of these quotes please?
Genesis 17: 1 - 10
Deuteronomy 21: 15 - 17
Galatians 3:16 - 23
Galatians 4
I would appreciate your educated insight.
F.N.
by Fieszal Nezam
Where are all the Bible pushers, who claim they know it all just because the Bible says ,it's so.
Please , just one of you, help me to understand the quotes i have chosen above. Does God not make a promise / Covenant with Abraham? Is Ishmael not Abrahams' first born son?
Then why do the Jews deny God's word?
They may have been God's chosen people , but were not chosen to take possession of the land of Canaan.
F.N.
by CHPRULES!
I think CHP did a great job! Thanks guys! These folks should go over to "Pallstein" and stick some C5 up their ass and touch it off.
by JASON ZIMMERMAN (JZSTANG@YAHOO)
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT! ITS THAT SIMPLE. THIS COUNTRY WANTS PEACE. BUT IF WE HAVE COWARDS STEALING, MURDERING, AND BLOWING THEM SELVES UP HERE IN THE LAND MY FOUR FATHERS DIED FOR THEN S..TS GOING TO HID THE FAN WHERE IT STARTS FROM. I VALUE THE AMERICAN WAY. THE OLD WAYS MOSTLY. THIS COUNRY IS FOR THE PEOPLE, THAT IS WE THE PEOPLE! PEOPLE HAVE COME TOO AMERICA FOR A BETTER WAY OF LIFE. AND IF THEY DONT LIKE IT FIND ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT WORKS 4 YOU. FREEDOM IS NOT SOME THING GIVEN, ITS EARNED.
I THINK NO ONE SHOULD GET FREE CITEZENSHIP, THEY SHOULD HAVE TOO EARN IT BYN SERVING IN ONE OF OUR ARMED FORCES TOO SHOW THERE FAITH IN THE COUNTRY THEY LIVE IN OR THERE NOT TRULY A REAL AMERICAN.
by JASON ZIMMERMAN (JZSTANG@YAHOO)
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT! ITS THAT SIMPLE. THIS COUNTRY WANTS PEACE. BUT IF WE HAVE COWARDS STEALING, MURDERING, AND BLOWING THEM SELVES UP HERE IN THE LAND MY FOUR FATHERS DIED FOR THEN S..TS GOING TO HID THE FAN WHERE IT STARTS FROM. I VALUE THE AMERICAN WAY. THE OLD WAYS MOSTLY. THIS COUNRY IS FOR THE PEOPLE, THAT IS WE THE PEOPLE! PEOPLE HAVE COME TOO AMERICA FOR A BETTER WAY OF LIFE. AND IF THEY DONT LIKE IT FIND ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT WORKS 4 YOU. FREEDOM IS NOT SOME THING GIVEN, ITS EARNED.
I THINK NO ONE SHOULD GET FREE CITEZENSHIP, THEY SHOULD HAVE TOO EARN IT BYN SERVING IN ONE OF OUR ARMED FORCES TOO SHOW THERE FAITH IN THE COUNTRY THEY LIVE IN OR THERE NOT TRULY A REAL AMERICAN.
by JASON ZIMMERMAN (JZSTANG@YAHOO)
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT! ITS THAT SIMPLE. THIS COUNTRY WANTS PEACE. BUT IF WE HAVE COWARDS STEALING, MURDERING, AND BLOWING THEM SELVES UP HERE IN THE LAND MY FOUR FATHERS DIED FOR THEN S..TS GOING TO HID THE FAN WHERE IT STARTS FROM. I VALUE THE AMERICAN WAY. THE OLD WAYS MOSTLY. THIS COUNRY IS FOR THE PEOPLE, THAT IS WE THE PEOPLE! PEOPLE HAVE COME TOO AMERICA FOR A BETTER WAY OF LIFE. AND IF THEY DONT LIKE IT FIND ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT WORKS 4 YOU. FREEDOM IS NOT SOME THING GIVEN, ITS EARNED.
I THINK NO ONE SHOULD GET FREE CITEZENSHIP, THEY SHOULD HAVE TOO EARN IT BYN SERVING IN ONE OF OUR ARMED FORCES TOO SHOW THERE FAITH IN THE COUNTRY THEY LIVE IN OR THERE NOT TRULY A REAL AMERICAN.
by Emily Post
Shouting is rude. So is repeating yourself. What's the matter, didn't your momma teach you any manners?
by Fieszal Nezam
Abraham Lincoln
J. F. Kennedy
Martin luther- King
John lennon
Did you want me to keep going ?
I guess it was an Arab terrorist, or more specifically a Palestinian who was responsible for the murders of these individuals. These people could not have been murdered by peace loving , patriotic, morally sound Americans. I dare you to prove to me that a crazy Muslim terrorist ,could not have committed these crimes. Even if you can prove ,that a crazy Muslim terrorist was innocent of just one murder of any of these people ,i still would not believe you ,because they are the only ones evil enouph to do it.
F.N.
by .
He was killed by a Palestinian
by x
A previous post said we had to alert the world to what was going on in Kasmir- insinuating Muslims were being persecuted. Muslims are doing the persecuting in Kashmir, as they are in dozens of places in the world. The two countries in this world that still practice slavery are Muslim, the countries who are most hateful towards homosexuals and women are Muslim. Protest that!
by TRUE PATRIOT



Benjamin Franklin (a great man we could use more like him he’d probably be arrested nowadays though) said freedom and liberty is the most important thing, “if we give up some of our freedom for more security we will end up neither security or our freedom”
The main terrorist are the fascists mole police state cops and their related organizations like the riders in Oakland rampart in la and many others in the police around the usa and of course the paramilitary death squads around the world paid for by the robber baron oil companies

I saw what happened was not in the protest though just a tourist on the bridge the protest was peaceful no banners on the bridge the protesters stayed on the side walk the cops stopped the protest at 1:35 the cops blocked the sidewalk the cops stopped the traffic on the bridge so the could get their buses in to take off the courageous protesters that where abused by the chpig fascists
The little girl I saw arrested after the protest near that little parking lot by the bridge walk way about 50 yds from the bridge at about 1:59 the courageous little girl did not assault the chpig the chpigs where pushing the people with sticks she said stop pushing me an the chpigs attacked her after the chpigs tied the little girl up and tossed her to the ground one chpig fatass kneeled on her and grabbed her ass I took a photo of this
If courageous people like the 11 yr old don’t protest the fascist practices of our dictator bush over in other peoples countries more terrorist will be willing to come over here and kill the people that support their oppressors
by M.Nooruddeen
American carrying Palestinian flag arrested.

It seems what is being offered as 'Freedom' in this New World Order hysteria, is in fact leading to a gradual removal of our right to Freedom of Expression. Eventually after decades, we won't even realised that it has been subtly taken away from us.

In this so called 'civilized' world, where it seems normal to consider a Palestinian less than a 'crippled ant', I cannot stop myself showing admiration for this American carrying a Palestinian flag in defiance of the system.

He may appear to you as a lunatic but I can
assure you he has done a great service to the cause of Palestinians who are ironically being victimized by the same people whom we sympathised when they were victims under Hitler's cruelties.

May Almighty God strengthen him with more such noble deeds in future.

Brgds/M. Nooruddeen
by The Truth

“Islam and Muslim under siege”. This should have happened a long time ago. Now, it requires even stronger response from the West. These are the price Muslim has to pay to evolve to 21st century from 7th century to be part of a better society.

There are over 50 Islamic countries in the world.

a) Which country's system of government, laws, regulation and people's behavior, habits, bribery, cheat, hypocrisy etc. would you like to see implemented all over the word, "as is", with an objective to be able to see a better world? Pick your choice. Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? Iran? How about Iraq? Or even Turkey? Which one is going to be?

b) Now envision another world where one of the western system, values, habits, everything is implemented as is.

In which case a) or b) the world would be a better place to live in?

This is called thought experiment. Albert Einstein used to do it a lot.

Anyway, Muslims are standing naked in the world Arena. They need to be spanked first before admitting them to the civilized society of the world. I used to be Muslims a long time ago. Fortunately, I quickly realized that current version of Islam and Muslims have nothing good to offer. So I left Islam by choice 30 years ago.

Muslim just can't accept their defeat of last 500 years. Now they already have realized they can't compete with the West in science, technology, medicine, economics, civil liberty, freedom, equal rights, high-morality, Nobel Prize, Sports etc. Therefore, Muslim’s only choice is to destroy the West. Destroy the world so at the best they can come out even.


by Tony (bogusly [at] yahoo.com)

Let's get it straight. There have been *many* Palestinian protests in S.F. and other parts of the country. These protestors were held because their permit timing would have expired before they could complete their trip across the bridge. This is a very *disruptive* type of protest that holds up traffic. If these guys can't get their schedules organized right, then they should be stopped and they were. We're not all working on their time.

Ridiculous reporting, devoid of facts.
by Patient Zero
It is you that needs to get the facts straight. The protesters never strayed off the sidewalk into traffic. It was the CHP that blocked 1, 2, and finally all lanes of traffic in order to arrest the protesters. Why were they arrested? Were they carrying signs or flags, disrupting traffic, molesting the police, stopping foot traffic?

No. The CHP decided that the protest should be ended early, at 1:35, and arrested people for "moving too slowly" and "breaking the rules of the permit" which clearly stated that they had to exit the bridge at 2:00 -- not 1:35. And why were the protesters moving slowly while retreating from the bridge? Simply because the CHP chose to herd 150 people from the rear, pushing them with batons and using pepper spray, knocking over more than a few people.

It was the police that acted in a dangerous and irresponsible manner and breaking the rules of the legally granted permit.

by Yahhodiekiller
we will find out the truth on the day of judgement u stupid fool/looser....a muslims goal is not for this world...u can have all the tresures and technology but u will never have our hearts and our faith and most importantly our hereafter...................
by MUJAHID MALIK
To Mr. The Truth

Stop wasting your time. Visit the website below that you really need to visit: http://WWW.WHOISMYDAD.COM. The website above is designed for people like you who are still trying to find their Dad's!

GOOD LUCK WITH IT.
by Brad Winstel (islrunner [at] aol.com)
Judging by Jason Zimmerman's spelling,syntax, punctuation,grammar and thought process,I believe he may have had(FOUR FATHERS).
by Steve (The__unbreakable [at] caramail.com)
The Problem in US,is in the fact that the Zioniste are controlling 95% of the Media there. So the US citizens have to watch only lies and propaganda.
I defy you if 1% of US citizens ( not including the ARABs and Muslims) know about this basic facts:

THAT, when the Palestine Problem was created by Britain in 1917, more than 90% of the population of Palestine were Arabs?... And that there were at that time no more than 56,000 Jews in Palestine?

THAT, more than half of the Jews living in Palestine at that time were recent immigrants, who had come to Palestine in the preceding decades in order to escape persecution in Europe?... And that less than 5% of the population of Palestine were native Palestinian Jews?

THAT, the Arabs of Palestine at that time owned 97.5% of the land, while Jews (native Palestinians and recent immigrants together) owned only 2.5% of the land?

THAT, during the thirty years of British occupation and rule, the Zionists were able to purchase only 3.5% of the land of Palestine, in spite of the encouragement of the British Government?... And that much of this land was transferred to Zionist bodies by the British Government directly, and was not sold by Arab owners?

THAT, therefore, when British passed the Palestine Problem to the United Nations in 1947, Zionists owned no more than 6% of the total land area of Palestine?

THAT, notwithstanding these facts, the General Assembly of the United Nations recommended that a "Jewish State" be established in Palestine?... And that the Assembly granted that proposed "State" about 54% of the total area of the country?

THAT, Israel immediately occupied (and still occupies) 80.48% of the total land area of Palestine?

THAT, this territorial expansion took place, for the most part, before 15 May 1948: i.e., before the formal end of the British forces from Palestine, before the entry of Arab armies to protect Palestinian Arabs, and before the the Arab-Israeli war?

THAT, the 1947 recommendation of the General Assembly in favor of the creation of a "Jewish State" was outside the competence of the Assembly under the Charter of the United Nations?

THAT, all attempts by the Arab States and other Asian countries to have the Assembly submit the question of "constitutionality" of its recommendation to the International Court of Justice for an "advisory opinion" by the Court were rejected or ignored by the Assembly?

THAT, when the Assembly began to experience "second thoughts" over the matter and convened for its second special session in 1948, it failed to reaffirm the 1947 recommendation for the partition of Palestine-thus destroying whatever dubious legality that recommendation for the establishment of a "Jewish State" had had?

THAT, that original 1947 recommendation to create a "Jewish State" in Palestine was approved, at the first vote, only by European, American and Australian States...for every Asian State, and every African State (with the exception of the Union of South Africa) voted against it?...And that, when the vote was cast in plenary session on 29 November 1947, urgent American pressures (which a member of the Truman cabinet described as "bordering onto scandal") had succeeded in prevailing only upon one African country (Liberia), both of which had special vulnerability to American pressures, to abandon their declared opposition?...And that, in other words, the "Jewish State" was planted at the point-of-intersection of Asia and Africa without the free approval of any Middle Eastern, Asian or African country except that Union of South Africa, itself ruled by an alien minority?

THAT, Israel remained, ever since its inception, a total stranger in the emerging world of Afro-Asia; and that Israel has been refused admission to any inter-state conference of Asian, African, Afro-Asian, or Non-Aligned States ever held?

THAT, since the General Armistice Agreements were signed in 1949, Israel has maintained an aggressive policy of waging military attacks across the Armistice Demarcation Lines, repeatedly invading the territories of the neighboring Arab States...And that Israel has been duly rebuked, censured, or condemned for these military attacks by the Security Council of the General Assembly of the United Nations on eleven occasions-five times by the Security Council and six times by the General Assembly?

THAT, no other country in the world, whether member of the United Nations or non-member, has been so frequently condemned by the United Nations?

THAT, no Arab State has ever been condemned by any organ of the United Nations for military attacks upon Israel( or any other State)?

THAT, besides expelling the bulk of the Arab inhabitants of Palestine, and besides constantly attacking the neighboring Arab States, Israel has also consistently harassed the United Nations observers and other personnel stationed along the Armistice Demarcation Lines: It has assassinated the first United Nations Mediator and his military aide; it has detained some truce observers; it has military occupied and illegally searched the Headquarters of United Nations personnel; and it has boycotted meetings of the Mixed Armistice Commissions?...

THAT, Israel has additionally imposed a system of apartheid upon the Arabs who stayed in their homeland?...More than 90% of these Arabs live in "security zones;" they alone live under martial law, restricting their freedom to travel from village to village or from town to town; their children are denied equal opportunities for education; and they are denied decent opportunities for work, and the right to receive "equal pay for equal work?"

THAT, notwithstanding the foregoing facts, Israel has always been, and still is, widely portrayed in the Western press as the "bastion of democracy" and the "champion of peace" in the Middle East?

THAT, the Western Powers have persisted in declaring their determination to ensure a so-called "arms balance" in the area, as between Israel, on the one hand, and the one-hundred million inhabitants of the thirteen Arab States, on the other hand?... And this unilateral Western doctrine of so-called "arms balance" is no more reasonable than the suggestion that, in the Cuba-U.S.A conflict, there should be "arms balance" as between Cuba and the United States... or that the whole Continent of Africa should not be allowed to acquire more arms than South Africa... or that Mainland China should not be permitted to have more arms than Taiwan... or that the military allowed to acquire more arms than South Africa... and that only thus can peace be safeguarded in the Western Hemisphere, in Africa, in Asia, or in Europe?...

The Problem in US,is in the fact that the Zioniste are controlling 95% of the Media there. So the US citizens have to watch only lies and propaganda.
I defy you if 1% of US citizens ( not including the ARABs and Muslims) know about this basic facts:

THAT, when the Palestine Problem was created by Britain in 1917, more than 90% of the population of Palestine were Arabs?... And that there were at that time no more than 56,000 Jews in Palestine?

THAT, more than half of the Jews living in Palestine at that time were recent immigrants, who had come to Palestine in the preceding decades in order to escape persecution in Europe?... And that less than 5% of the population of Palestine were native Palestinian Jews?

THAT, the Arabs of Palestine at that time owned 97.5% of the land, while Jews (native Palestinians and recent immigrants together) owned only 2.5% of the land?

THAT, during the thirty years of British occupation and rule, the Zionists were able to purchase only 3.5% of the land of Palestine, in spite of the encouragement of the British Government?... And that much of this land was transferred to Zionist bodies by the British Government directly, and was not sold by Arab owners?

THAT, therefore, when British passed the Palestine Problem to the United Nations in 1947, Zionists owned no more than 6% of the total land area of Palestine?

THAT, notwithstanding these facts, the General Assembly of the United Nations recommended that a "Jewish State" be established in Palestine?... And that the Assembly granted that proposed "State" about 54% of the total area of the country?

THAT, Israel immediately occupied (and still occupies) 80.48% of the total land area of Palestine?

THAT, this territorial expansion took place, for the most part, before 15 May 1948: i.e., before the formal end of the British forces from Palestine, before the entry of Arab armies to protect Palestinian Arabs, and before the the Arab-Israeli war?

THAT, the 1947 recommendation of the General Assembly in favor of the creation of a "Jewish State" was outside the competence of the Assembly under the Charter of the United Nations?

THAT, all attempts by the Arab States and other Asian countries to have the Assembly submit the question of "constitutionality" of its recommendation to the International Court of Justice for an "advisory opinion" by the Court were rejected or ignored by the Assembly?

THAT, when the Assembly began to experience "second thoughts" over the matter and convened for its second special session in 1948, it failed to reaffirm the 1947 recommendation for the partition of Palestine-thus destroying whatever dubious legality that recommendation for the establishment of a "Jewish State" had had?

THAT, that original 1947 recommendation to create a "Jewish State" in Palestine was approved, at the first vote, only by European, American and Australian States...for every Asian State, and every African State (with the exception of the Union of South Africa) voted against it?...And that, when the vote was cast in plenary session on 29 November 1947, urgent American pressures (which a member of the Truman cabinet described as "bordering onto scandal") had succeeded in prevailing only upon one African country (Liberia), both of which had special vulnerability to American pressures, to abandon their declared opposition?...And that, in other words, the "Jewish State" was planted at the point-of-intersection of Asia and Africa without the free approval of any Middle Eastern, Asian or African country except that Union of South Africa, itself ruled by an alien minority?

THAT, Israel remained, ever since its inception, a total stranger in the emerging world of Afro-Asia; and that Israel has been refused admission to any inter-state conference of Asian, African, Afro-Asian, or Non-Aligned States ever held?

THAT, since the General Armistice Agreements were signed in 1949, Israel has maintained an aggressive policy of waging military attacks across the Armistice Demarcation Lines, repeatedly invading the territories of the neighboring Arab States...And that Israel has been duly rebuked, censured, or condemned for these military attacks by the Security Council of the General Assembly of the United Nations on eleven occasions-five times by the Security Council and six times by the General Assembly?

THAT, no other country in the world, whether member of the United Nations or non-member, has been so frequently condemned by the United Nations?

THAT, no Arab State has ever been condemned by any organ of the United Nations for military attacks upon Israel( or any other State)?

THAT, besides expelling the bulk of the Arab inhabitants of Palestine, and besides constantly attacking the neighboring Arab States, Israel has also consistently harassed the United Nations observers and other personnel stationed along the Armistice Demarcation Lines: It has assassinated the first United Nations Mediator and his military aide; it has detained some truce observers; it has military occupied and illegally searched the Headquarters of United Nations personnel; and it has boycotted meetings of the Mixed Armistice Commissions?...

THAT, Israel has additionally imposed a system of apartheid upon the Arabs who stayed in their homeland?...More than 90% of these Arabs live in "security zones;" they alone live under martial law, restricting their freedom to travel from village to village or from town to town; their children are denied equal opportunities for education; and they are denied decent opportunities for work, and the right to receive "equal pay for equal work?"

THAT, notwithstanding the foregoing facts, Israel has always been, and still is, widely portrayed in the Western press as the "bastion of democracy" and the "champion of peace" in the Middle East?

THAT, the Western Powers have persisted in declaring their determination to ensure a so-called "arms balance" in the area, as between Israel, on the one hand, and the one-hundred million inhabitants of the thirteen Arab States, on the other hand?... And this unilateral Western doctrine of so-called "arms balance" is no more reasonable than the suggestion that, in the Cuba-U.S.A conflict, there should be "arms balance" as between Cuba and the United States... or that the whole Continent of Africa should not be allowed to acquire more arms than South Africa... or that Mainland China should not be permitted to have more arms than Taiwan... or that the military allowed to acquire more arms than South Africa... and that only thus can peace be safeguarded in the Western Hemisphere, in Africa, in Asia, or in Europe?...

The Problem in US,is in the fact that the Zioniste are controlling 95% of the Media there. So the US citizens have to watch only lies and propaganda.
I defy you if 1% of US citizens ( not including the ARABs and Muslims) know about this basic facts:

THAT, when the Palestine Problem was created by Britain in 1917, more than 90% of the population of Palestine were Arabs?... And that there were at that time no more than 56,000 Jews in Palestine?

THAT, more than half of the Jews living in Palestine at that time were recent immigrants, who had come to Palestine in the preceding decades in order to escape persecution in Europe?... And that less than 5% of the population of Palestine were native Palestinian Jews?

THAT, the Arabs of Palestine at that time owned 97.5% of the land, while Jews (native Palestinians and recent immigrants together) owned only 2.5% of the land?

THAT, during the thirty years of British occupation and rule, the Zionists were able to purchase only 3.5% of the land of Palestine, in spite of the encouragement of the British Government?... And that much of this land was transferred to Zionist bodies by the British Government directly, and was not sold by Arab owners?

THAT, therefore, when British passed the Palestine Problem to the United Nations in 1947, Zionists owned no more than 6% of the total land area of Palestine?

THAT, notwithstanding these facts, the General Assembly of the United Nations recommended that a "Jewish State" be established in Palestine?... And that the Assembly granted that proposed "State" about 54% of the total area of the country?

THAT, Israel immediately occupied (and still occupies) 80.48% of the total land area of Palestine?

THAT, this territorial expansion took place, for the most part, before 15 May 1948: i.e., before the formal end of the British forces from Palestine, before the entry of Arab armies to protect Palestinian Arabs, and before the the Arab-Israeli war?

THAT, the 1947 recommendation of the General Assembly in favor of the creation of a "Jewish State" was outside the competence of the Assembly under the Charter of the United Nations?

THAT, all attempts by the Arab States and other Asian countries to have the Assembly submit the question of "constitutionality" of its recommendation to the International Court of Justice for an "advisory opinion" by the Court were rejected or ignored by the Assembly?

THAT, when the Assembly began to experience "second thoughts" over the matter and convened for its second special session in 1948, it failed to reaffirm the 1947 recommendation for the partition of Palestine-thus destroying whatever dubious legality that recommendation for the establishment of a "Jewish State" had had?

THAT, that original 1947 recommendation to create a "Jewish State" in Palestine was approved, at the first vote, only by European, American and Australian States...for every Asian State, and every African State (with the exception of the Union of South Africa) voted against it?...And that, when the vote was cast in plenary session on 29 November 1947, urgent American pressures (which a member of the Truman cabinet described as "bordering onto scandal") had succeeded in prevailing only upon one African country (Liberia), both of which had special vulnerability to American pressures, to abandon their declared opposition?...And that, in other words, the "Jewish State" was planted at the point-of-intersection of Asia and Africa without the free approval of any Middle Eastern, Asian or African country except that Union of South Africa, itself ruled by an alien minority?

THAT, Israel remained, ever since its inception, a total stranger in the emerging world of Afro-Asia; and that Israel has been refused admission to any inter-state conference of Asian, African, Afro-Asian, or Non-Aligned States ever held?

THAT, since the General Armistice Agreements were signed in 1949, Israel has maintained an aggressive policy of waging military attacks across the Armistice Demarcation Lines, repeatedly invading the territories of the neighboring Arab States...And that Israel has been duly rebuked, censured, or condemned for these military attacks by the Security Council of the General Assembly of the United Nations on eleven occasions-five times by the Security Council and six times by the General Assembly?

THAT, no other country in the world, whether member of the United Nations or non-member, has been so frequently condemned by the United Nations?

THAT, no Arab State has ever been condemned by any organ of the United Nations for military attacks upon Israel( or any other State)?

THAT, besides expelling the bulk of the Arab inhabitants of Palestine, and besides constantly attacking the neighboring Arab States, Israel has also consistently harassed the United Nations observers and other personnel stationed along the Armistice Demarcation Lines: It has assassinated the first United Nations Mediator and his military aide; it has detained some truce observers; it has military occupied and illegally searched the Headquarters of United Nations personnel; and it has boycotted meetings of the Mixed Armistice Commissions?...

THAT, Israel has additionally imposed a system of apartheid upon the Arabs who stayed in their homeland?...More than 90% of these Arabs live in "security zones;" they alone live under martial law, restricting their freedom to travel from village to village or from town to town; their children are denied equal opportunities for education; and they are denied decent opportunities for work, and the right to receive "equal pay for equal work?"

THAT, notwithstanding the foregoing facts, Israel has always been, and still is, widely portrayed in the Western press as the "bastion of democracy" and the "champion of peace" in the Middle East?

THAT, the Western Powers have persisted in declaring their determination to ensure a so-called "arms balance" in the area, as between Israel, on the one hand, and the one-hundred million inhabitants of the thirteen Arab States, on the other hand?... And this unilateral Western doctrine of so-called "arms balance" is no more reasonable than the suggestion that, in the Cuba-U.S.A conflict, there should be "arms balance" as between Cuba and the United States... or that the whole Continent of Africa should not be allowed to acquire more arms than South Africa... or that Mainland China should not be permitted to have more arms than Taiwan... or that the military allowed to acquire more arms than South Africa... and that only thus can peace be safeguarded in the Western Hemisphere, in Africa, in Asia, or in Europe?...

Ignoranant materialists condemn a religion that
requires prayer five times a day, that was formed
on the basis of self discipline,RESPECT FOR WOMEN, love, humility and brother and sisterhood.

These concepts are fundamental to Islam, the lot
of the average women in the greater syrian empire
of 700-900 ad was damn sight better than the squalor
of middle age europe!

The Islamic Empire and that age was an enlightened
land. Women had property rights, the right to a divorce
and ridgidly strict laws were in place to protect women
from rape and degradation.

NONE OF THIS WAS EVEN DREAMED OF IN THE BLINDLY PATRIACHAL MIDDLE AGES OF EUROPE.

The ideals werent even in place that dealt with women
as equals in europe at this time.

In the Islamic empire of the 7th to 8th century a women
had to say, in order to obtain a divorce, "I DIVORCE
THEE " three times.
Sure there was polygamy, but the Idea originated from
the Islamic principle of providing for ones family as
a result women often wanted to marry men to be provided for-this was backward I aggree, It was the 7th
century but the mormons are still doing it and its the
21st century.

ALGEBRA. Who the fuck invented that? George W. ?
Fuck off. Islamic Scholars were THE most enlightened
of that time. Religious debates entertained mostly
enlighted rulers and Jewish communities existed
who were NOT persecuted.

The perverse khomeinist Islam existing in many states and in the mind of Al-Qaeda is a product of Hadeeth thought and desperation not
prophet Mohammeds Ideals.

Critics of Islam should stop thinking of it as a religion.
Declaring "I SLAM" and begin to think of it as an attempt to enlighten and promote unity.


Ignoranant materialists condemn a religion that
requires prayer five times a day, that was formed
on the basis of self discipline,RESPECT FOR WOMEN, love, humility and brother and sisterhood.

These concepts are fundamental to Islam, the lot
of the average women in the greater syrian empire
of 700-900 ad was damn sight better than the squalor
of middle age europe!

The Islamic Empire and that age was an enlightened
land. Women had property rights, the right to a divorce
and ridgidly strict laws were in place to protect women
from rape and degradation.

NONE OF THIS WAS EVEN DREAMED OF IN THE BLINDLY PATRIACHAL MIDDLE AGES OF EUROPE.

The ideals werent even in place that dealt with women
as equals in europe at this time.

In the Islamic empire of the 7th to 8th century a women
had to say, in order to obtain a divorce, "I DIVORCE
THEE " three times.
Sure there was polygamy, but the Idea originated from
the Islamic principle of providing for ones family as
a result women often wanted to marry men to be provided for-this was backward I aggree, It was the 7th
century but the mormons are still doing it and its the
21st century.

ALGEBRA. Who the fuck invented that? George W. ?
Fuck off. Islamic Scholars were THE most enlightened
of that time. Religious debates entertained mostly
enlighted rulers and Jewish communities existed
who were NOT persecuted.

The perverse khomeinist Islam existing in many states and in the mind of Al-Qaeda is a product of Hadeeth thought and desperation not
prophet Mohammeds Ideals.

Critics of Islam should stop thinking of it as a religion.
Declaring "I SLAM" and begin to think of it as an attempt to enlighten and promote unity.


by Sauri
arabs_sucking_body_parts.jpgr87478.jpg
Muslim self-discipline
by Sauri
arab_kills_arab.jpgw87509.jpg
Respect and love?
by POET71 (POET71 [at] GMAIL.COM)
Dear Sir

People here are not sucking body parts they are carying those parts and shout because they are angry for there victimes who was killed by Israeli army . In this world there is no army fighting people and civilians by missiles exept the Israel army .. so u can see the body parts carried by those people hands .. all the zionest jews in this world must know that they cant distort the reputation of our people in the occupied territories in Palestine that is called Israel today.
by Masha'allah
"In this world there is no army fighting people and civilians by missiles exept the Israel army"

For 60 years Israel has been under daily attack by Arab Muslims.
Allah (swt) created Israel as HE does everything. Muslim Arabs are the only people who deny HIS Will...Masha'allah israel exists and it is strong as Allah (swt) has willed it for defending wome3n and children against murder by Muslims who deny HIS will!
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