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Even the Irish see the Palestinians are liars about Jenin

by Dov
article below
Irish Times, April 15, 02. Tom Cooney.
Israel is right to suspect UN inquiry at Jenin may lead to kangaroo court

Israel is resisting a proposed United Nations inquiry into what happened in Jenin refugee camp. It is quite right, that it suits the UN to blame Israel as it deflects from its own culpability in being an accomplice to Palestinian terrorism

For Israel, the Jenin operation was a necessary and proportionate response to deal with terrorism. The Palestinian Authority (PA) says there was a massacre there. Israel has agreed to allow a United Nations fact-finding team to collect "accurate information" about the operation, because it has nothing to hide. Israel should be wary of the UN's intervention.

The UN has rushed to judgment. Key UN officials have already found Israel guilty of war crimes. The UN Human Rights Commission (under Mary Robinson) condemned Israel for "mass killings" of Palestinians. Terje Larsen, the UN's Middle East special envoy, said: "What I saw is unbelievable. This is a sad, shameful chapter in Israel's history." He also described the scene as like "an earthquake". Peter Hansen, the director general of the UN Relief and Works Agency, declared: "It was hell in the camp, and we will not exaggerate if we say that a massacre was carried out there."

Larsen and Hansen should have examined both sides of the case and avoided exaggeration. From aerial photographs of Jenin it is obvious that the "refugee camp" is a small part of the city, and that the part of the camp which was destroyed was about 100 metres square. Larsen acknowledged the Palestinians' description of Jenin as their "suicide bomber capital", but he spread the allegation that Israel engaged in wanton killings and destruction.

The UN's moral rhetoric is perverse. Take this UN Human Rights Commission's assertion: "The international community cannot permit the indiscriminate killings of Israeli civilians or the wanton killings of Palestinian civilians." You would get the impression that there is a moral equivalence in the conflict.

When Palestinians massacre Israelis, their violence is "indiscriminate", as though more discriminate killings of Israelis are fine. But when Israelis defend themselves, as they are entitled to do under international law and basic morality, they perpetrate "wanton killings" and "wage war on civilian populations". One might as well say that a serial killer and a victim who defends herself against him have moral parity. Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary-General, showed an anti-Israel bias in how he organised the fact-finding mission to Jenin. At the outset he did not consult the Israelis on the composition of his fact-finding team. Then he implied the team would have a roving commission to investigate with a focus on Jenin to begin with, despite the fact that UN Security Council Resolution 1405 (2002) states that the team is "to develop accurate information about events in the Jenin refugee camp".

Next, he said that the team would arrive at conclusions in light of "accepted norms of international law". This arbitrary enlargement of the team's remit flies in the face of the resolution. It prepares the ground for a UN kangaroo court.

Annan appointed Cornelio Sommaruga, the former president of the International Red Cross, to the team. Sommaruga opposed admitting Magen David Adom (MDA), the Israeli equivalent of the Red Cross, even though the Muslim Red Crescent was recognised.

When the head of the American Red Cross objected to this discrimination, he retorted: "If we're going to have the Shield of David, why would we not have to accept the swastika?"

Annan has an animus against Israel. In 2000, he suppressed video evidence his staff had about the seizure and murder of Israeli soldiers by Hizbullah.

IT SUITS the UN to blame Israel in order to deflect attention from its own culpability in being an accomplice to Palestinian terrorism. The UN has responsibility for providing relief and social services to the Jenin camp. It allowed the camp to become the centre for suicide bombers. The terrorists use young people as bombers in violation of Article 38 of the UN Convention on Children's Rights. Yet neither Terje Larsen nor Peter Hansen spoke out.

Abu Jandal, commander of the Islamic Jihad at the Jenin camp, in an interview during the battle with Al-Jazeera. "Believe me, there are children stationed in the houses with explosive belts at their sides," said "Today, one of the children came to me with his school bag. I asked him what he wanted, and he replied, 'Instead of books, I want an explosive device, in order to attack … .'"

Abu Jandal said, "I, the commander of the battle of the Jenin camp, have chosen for myself the name 'The Martyr Abu Jandal,' because all the fighters around me are martyrs." Women and children included

The London based Arabic-language daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat reported that in Jenin a Palestinian woman named Ilham 'Ali Dasouqi had blown herself up among Israeli soldiers, killing two and wounding six.

The Egyptian government-sponsored Al-Ahram Weekly published an interview with "Omar," a young, one-armed Islamic Jihad bomb maker who told how the Palestinians booby-trapped Jenin and included women and children in the battles:

Omar said "in Jenin all the factions were loyal to only one cause: liberation or death … ."

The UN Human Rights Commission has failed to make the Palestinain Authority answerable for this abuse. Under the very eyes of the UN, Jenin became a terrorist military base, and jeopardised its status as a refugee camp. This quietism is complicity. It's not surprising, then, that the UN would fund a Palestinian map on which Israel does not exist.

The UN's title to be Israel's judge is questionable. The UN's complicity with Palestinian terrorism means that it is acting as a judge in its own cause. Its malice towards Israel is incompatible with the qualities an impartial fact-finder requires.

The UN has given the Palestinian Authority its apologia for its vicious campaign of terror against Israel. It has done this by distorting international legal principle to promote the notion that Israel is an occupying power in Palestinian territory. This enables Arafat's apologists (including those European states who allowed Europe's own Jewish civilisation to be liquidated) to assert that Israel's presence on the West Bank and Gaza is an offshoot of a desire to exert colonial power over Palestinian people.

This assertion is false. Israel's presence in those lands is the outcome of the 1967 war in which several Arab states set out to liquidate Israel and its people. Israel entered those areas lawfully in self-defence. Consider the West Bank area. Jordan occupied it from 1948 to 1967 as the outcome of an unlawful invasion. It acquired no title to the lands. When Jordan attacked Israel in 1967, Israel drove Jordan out of the West Bank and took control of the area. Under international law, Israel is entitled to hold those lands so long as the dictates of self-defence require.

Israel is entitled not to withdraw from the lands until proper measures are set in train to ensure that the area will not be used as a base to use force against it.

So Israel has a right to remain in control of the disputed territories involved, pending negotiation of a treaty of peace. UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338 confirm a requirement for settlement by "negotiations between the parties". Israel has tried to negotiate such a treaty. Israel has transferred land to the Palestinians so that most Palestinians live under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority. In July of 2000, at the Camp David Summit, Israel was prepared to go further, extending an offer that would have transferred virtually all of the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinians. Arafat rejected the offer and launched a terrorist war that continues to this very day.

THE UN has been racist in its approach to Israel. It persists in denying Israel full membership of the UN. Israel is the only state that cannot serve on the UN Security Council and is denied participation in pivotal UN committees. In September 2001, the UN World Conference Against Racism in Durban was allowed to become a vicious hate-fest against Israel and Jews.

Moreover, the UN has enabled Arafat apologists to also claim that the settlement of Jews in West Bank and Gaza violates Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention (1949). That provision forbids an "occupying power" from deporting or transferring part of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies. Technically, the convention does not apply to the situation because the territory in question does not belong to any state party to the convention. But, substantively, Article 49 does not prohibit Jewish settlements in the West Bank.

Jews have lived in settlements in the West Bank since ancient times. Their presence has not injured Arabs ethnically or economically. The appeal to Article 49 of the convention, which was adopted in response to Nazi policies to make their towns and cities judenrein, is now made at the UN to make the West Bank judenrein. The idea that Israel has an international legal obligation to "cleanse" the West Bank of Jews isan inversion of human rights values. (Jordan made it a death-penalty crime to sell land in the West Bank to Jews.) What is ignored is Israel's willingness to trade land for the settlements. What is most disturbing is the idea that the UN accepts that a new Palestine state should be free of Jews.

The UN has become the mouthpiece of Arab fascist regimes, who, although they have no conception of human rights, invoke human rights in their zeal to destroy Israel.

There is no evidence whatsoever of mass or wanton killing of civilians in Jenin camp. The Palestinian claim of hundreds of dead is a lie. The most intense house-to-house combat between Israeli soldiers and Palestinian terrorists took place in a confined area (about 100 metres square). The terrorists had rigged homes, alleyways, and the street with booby-trap bombs. The Israeli soldiers used bulldozers when the Palestinians were exploding entire three-storey buildings on the soldiers.

The anxiety must be that for the UN the truth of what happened at Jenin does not matter. Since the UN cannot base its findings on the lie about a massacre, its next option is to accuse Israel of "the excessive use of force", even though Israel showed remarkable restraint in its operation.

The UN's fact-finding should be stringently scrutinised. Will the team examine the build-up of a terrorist network in Jenin under UN eyes? Will it investigate the terrorist operations carried out against Israel from Jenin camp? Will it examine Arafat's failure to tackle terrorism in Jenin?

Israel is fighting for its life. On January 30th, 2001, Sakher Habash, on behalf of Arafat, said that the Jews "must be citizens in the state of the future": Palestine.

Arafat's terror tactics are intended to liquidate Israel. Only four weeks ago, Arafat said on Arab television: "To Jerusalem we march martyrs by the millions." This conflict is about Israel's very right to exist.

by D. Thomas
This is a bunch of Israeli Prop: lets keep repeating Oh? my. oops didn't the Nazis invent that lie? keep repeating something and eventually most people will beleive it? Zek Heil!
If the IDF didn't do anything wrong, Yeah? right?, why not let
the UN observers in to prove the IDF wrong or right?
Not letting them in gives more credibility to the PLO claim.
by Joe
D. Thomas. Actually the article was very informative. I didn't realize, the U.N was actually controlling Jenin before Israel went in and not the PLO. If thats true, why didn't the U.N do something to prevent all these terrorists from operating in Jenin. It looks like the Terrorists were working hand and hand with the U.N in Jenin. It was also true, the U.N helped Hizbollah capture those Israeli soldiers in Israel.

by Observer
This was a very informative article and is consistent with intelligence I've reviewed in a wide range of Israeli, Arab, European and American. The charge of Israeli propoganda is quite ironic in that this is a clear case of Palestinian propoganda.

As the previous poster noted, the UN has allowed for terrorists to build significant infrastructure that has severely damaged their cause. The Israelis should be applauded for sacrificing the lives of their soldiers to minimize the civilian deaths. Many other nations would have simply bombed from the air and incurred more civillian lives lost in "collateral damage."

by America first Irishman
You Jews never tire in distorting the truth. I have to believe that most supporting posts to Dov’s “informative” piece were all made by "Dov" or a bunch of liars trying to perpetrate more foul lies on this site. Dov, you are not fooling anyone by pretending to quote Tom Cooley’s short April 30th piece on whether the UN should investigate Jenin or not, and then append your screed of lying shit to make people believe your rant was published in the Irish Times.

On April 30, 2002 Tom Cooley argued in the Opinion section of the Irish times that the Israeli action was justified in Jenin. On May 2, 2002 Ray Murphy countered Cooley's piece in the same Irish Times by saying of Cooley’s piece: "These and other claims by him can only be described as absurd."

http://scripts.ireland.com/search/highlight.plx?TextRes=cooney&Path=/newspaper/opinion/2002/0502/4028476167op02murphy.html

For Dov to highlight his story with the byline "Even the Irish see the Palestinians are liars about Jenin" and then attempt to foist off his own nutcase analysis of the history of Palestine as being part of Cooley’s original article just shows everyone how dishonest Jews really are.

This is the reason Dov misquoted the date and content of the article, while purposely not providing a link to the actual opinion piece. And to claim Cooly represents what the Irish people think, or what the official editorial policy of the Irish Times is (it is defiantly anti Israel) just shows everyone just what Dov is about. To call Dov’s drivel “propaganda” is to give him more credit then he is due.

The Irish Times and the Irish people has been pro Palestinian for several decades because they recognize what it feels like to be oppressed by people like the Jews. You can go through the Irish Times editorials, opinion pieces, and hard news, and you can also talk to people of Ireland and Northern Ireland, and you will find that they are VERY anti Israel. Ireland has voted consistently against the never ending Israeli criminal acts which have so preoccupied the UN’s daily and Security Council business for decades.

The Jew always attacks the UN, to try and cover up the fact that the UN represents most of the civilized world, which has always voted against all forms of Israeli racism and aggression since Israel’s spawning. The only countries who defend Israel in the UN are the US and a couple small Micronesian Islands whose votes Israel manages to buy. But believe this, US defense of Israel in the UN is predicated on a US administration being sympathetic to Israel. Because of increasing disgust for Israeli crimes in the US, the time is fast coming when even the US will turn against the Jew in the UN.

Of course the UN was responsible for Jenin. Ever since the UN made the mistake of authorizing the rogue state of Israel, and the Israelis began their program of extermination of all Arabs in order to steal their land, the UN has been attempting to feed, clothe and defend Palestinians from Jew slaughter and murder. After all the UN has to try and keep 3,000, 000 Palestinians kept in Jew concentration camps alive because the UN feels some responsibility for their gross error in thinking Jews were decent humane people who would allow the original owners of Palestine to live alongside racist Jews.

And contrary to “D. Thomas” lies the UN never ever was even involved in any way with the capture and just killing of Israelis in the jeep incident in Lebanon. You are just outright lying. Putrid lying Israel never ever claimed this. The UN acted on Israel's behalf to receive pictures and evidence of the incident from Hamas contacts. The Jews claim that the UN did not turn over every thing they asked for, nothing more. The Israeli's demanded that photos and complete identification of everyone who was involved in providing information to the UN be provided, so that they could send one of their murder teams to kill everyone. The UN refused, and the Israelis do not even make the absurd claim that the UN assisted Hamas.

In fact, it has been the Israeli’s who have often murdered and killed UN officials and UN peace keepers with impunity, including the obscene Jew murder of 14 UN peacekeepers and 40 Lebanese by Intentional massive Israeli artillery. UN Middle East representative Count Bernadotte was only one of many high ranking UN officials who have been murdered by Jews because they were in charge of protecting Palestinians. Funny isn’t it how Israelis always elect Prime Ministers who have assassinated and murdered with their own hands officials the Jews hate. Golda Meir seems to be the only Israeli Prime Minister never to have personally killed any of Israel’s “enemies”. I’d say UN peacekeepers and UN officials have every right to be concerned about Israeli atrocities as they have been often on the receiving end of “Jew Justice.” reserved.

by F@C@
You appear to be saying that the Irish are retarded. "Good god, even the Irish understand what's going on here."
by tictac
"Funny isn’t it how Israelis always elect Prime Ministers who have assassinated and murdered with their own hands officials the Jews hate"

calling terrorists, officials?? you don't have a Hamas mambership card on you by any chance?

i guess, "jews hate" people who kill jews. i bet that if someone killes your family, you won't turn the other cheek. at war people get killed, thats that. read some middle eastern history to find out who started the wars with Israel.

about the 100 civilians killed in 'Kfar Kana', it was a stray artillary shell, and this mistake has ended the entire operation.
by yes, enough said.
and tried to assasinate the King of Morocco 3 or 4 times?
by TRUE PATRIOT


Benjamin Franklin (a great man we could use more like him he’d probably be arrested nowadays though) said freedom and liberty is the most important thing, “if we give up some of our freedom for more security we will end up neither security or our freedom”
The main terrorist are the fascists mole police state cops and their related organizations like the riders in Oakland rampart in la and many others in the police around the usa and of course the paramilitary death squads around the world paid for by the robber baron oil companies

I saw what happened was not in the protest though just a tourist on the bridge the protest was peaceful no banners on the bridge the protesters stayed on the side walk the cops stopped the protest at 1:35 the cops blocked the sidewalk the cops stopped the traffic on the bridge so the could get their buses in to take off the courageous protesters that where abused by the chpig fascists
The little girl I saw arrested after the protest near that little parking lot by the bridge walk way about 50 yds from the bridge at about 1:59 the courageous little girl did not assault the chpig the chpigs where pushing the people with sticks she said stop pushing me an the chpigs attacked her after the chpigs tied the little girl up and tossed her to the ground one chpig fatass kneeled on her and grabbed her ass I took a photo of this
If courageous people like the 11 yr old don’t protest the fascist practices of our dictator bush over in other peoples countries more terrorist will be willing to come over here and kill the people that support their oppressors
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