Oakland Protesters Arrested

You jackasses probably made those firemen pro-Israel just by being obnoxious. Luckily for those of us who are pro-Israel, the palestinian supporters think they can win hearts and minds by acting like a bunch of wacky extremist kooks. Keep it up! Palestine is lucky to have you.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK IT DRAWS ATTENTION TO THE ISUE OF ISRAEL BEING A FASCIST PLACE!!!

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK IT DRAWS ATTENTION TO THE ISUE OF ISRAEL BEING A FASCIST PLACE!!!

/Luckily for those of us who are pro-Israel, the palestinian supporters think they can win hearts
>and minds by acting like a bunch of wacky extremist >kooks. Keep it up! Palestine is lucky to have you.


so far there hasn't been anyone rivaling this guy though:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-121301jdl.story
The volatile chairman of the militant Jewish Defense League and another of the group's top officials faced federal charges Wednesday of plotting to blow up a Los Angeles area mosque and an office of Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista).

Irv Rubin, 56, the group's chairman, and Earl Krugel, 59, its West Coast coordinator, were arrested late Tuesday after explosive powder was delivered to Krugel's home in Reseda, authorities said.

Read the Geneva convention. Oh yea such things are "liberal". Only good when it works for Israel. Back 300 years and life would be grand, huh? Delete history. Remember only new versions of history. Kill all natives in the world. Fuck Geneva. Hitler loves Sharon. He will make certain Israel is at permanant war, and drag us down with it. This is why people used to respect things like the Geneva convention.

what the fuck are you ppl talking about?!?!?!?!?! THE STUPID ARABIANS are the fuckers!!!!!!! omg how can you say israel is gulity?!?!?!?!?1?!?! you ppl suck!!! i hope all of you long painfull death!!!! i course each and everyone of you...!!!!! damn!!!! how can you be so blind??? if they want their land so much they can do it in other ways!!!!! killing them selfs and innosent citizens wont help!!!! if it didnt help upto now it wont vchange forever!!!!!! if people like you will start thinking diffrently maybe things could be better.... the arabians can find some other land... israel is for the jews!!!!!! it was ours in the past 54 years!!!!! they cant just get up one morning and decided they want it!! where will all the israeli go?? they are hated by EVERYBODY!!!! israel is the only safe place left on this earth!!! and these stupid arabians dont understand it..... gad i hate them.... and you people... you have any idea whats it like waking up in the morning sending your child to school not knowing if you'll ever see him again?! he's a child!!! he's a small little creature that doesnt understand anything!!!! he doesnt choose!!! all he did was walking to school and BOOM he's dead... no more child... and its not even his parents fault!!!! its the goverment!!!!! and the goverment in israel is dumb!!!!!!! so why doesnt the stupid arabians dont understand the goverment doesnt care about its citizens much... I HATE ARABIANS!!!! and i hate you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

racist pig. I too, hope you die like the Nazi scum who are your intellectual ancestors.

Yeah, post faux racist messages then post mock indignant messages. Get a life, X2. It is obvious that these posts are just written by you and your ilk to drum up the belief that Muslims and Arabs are soooo persecuted. bullshit.

Boy, you knew eventually it had to happen, didn't you? Someone had to take a perfectly nice pastime like juggling and turn it into an occasion for politically correct idiocy. Check out the Web site for--I'm not making this up--Jugglers Against Oppression:

The mission of Jugglers Against Oppression is to educate St. Cloud State University students and community members about different forms of oppression that exist in our community. Members incorporate into juggling performances their experiences and views on homophobia, racism, sexism, ableism, classism, ageism, gender oppression, biphobia and other forms of discrimination and oppression. Anyone and everyone with an open mind is welcome to juggle and share experiences. Non-jugglers are welcome!

http://www.geocities.com/scsujugglers/index.html

I've never even heard of "biphobia." What is it, fear of the number two?

I didn't post any faux racist messages. I KNOW that it wasn't me. But it surely smells like the standard tactics of our Indybay inhouse disruptor, Alex Evers or Dan or whatever the hell nick you are using at the time. We've all got you sussed you stupid moron.

"In a philosophical effort to come up with a city law that no one could ever break, conceptual artist Jonathon Keats wants Berkeley to legally acknowledge Aristotle's law, commonly expressed as A=A," the San Francisco Chronicle reports. "Although his law can't be broken, a misdemeanor fine of up to one-tenth of a cent would be imposed on anyone or anything caught being unidentical to itself within city limits."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/08/13/BA200448.DTL


Yesterday I asked what the heck "biphobia" is. There's a Web page at Texas A&M University that attempts to explain it, but it's filled with indecipherable jargon.

http://allies.tamu.edu/Did%20You%20Know/biphobia.htm

I did note this, however, under the heading "What does biphobia look like?":

Automatically assuming romantic couplings of two women are lesbian, or two men are gay, or a man and a woman are heterosexual.

But A=A, does it not? If Jonathon Keats has his way, biphobia will be the law of the land in Berkeley.

http://www.radioisrael.org/poll_results.php3?poll_id=105

uhm .. what does some weird poll have to do with student protestors being arrested or even biphobia?

a poll of a mere 5000 people in a nation of 5 million by an unrecognized, uncertified, non professional polling agency is hardly credible.

And even if it were, there is the question of whether or not it is still true that it is a good thing. Nazi Germany published similar polls with similar support for the Final Solution. The problem with all this is that it has no basis in logic.

Argumentum ad numerum

This fallacy is closely related to the argumentum ad populum. It consists of asserting that the more people who support or believe a proposition, the more likely it is that that proposition is correct. For example:

"The vast majority of people in this country believe that capital punishment has a noticeable deterrent effect. To suggest that it doesn't in the face of so much evidence is ridiculous."

"All I'm saying is that thousands of people believe in pyramid power, so there must be something to it."

These are examples of arguments of fallacy, such as the one you have just made.

If you cannot debate at an elementary school level, I suggest you leave the task to people who can.

is it three guns and two dogs or one gun and three dogs?

Oh look, more cookies, thankys Ryan

I NEED SOME PUSSY. I ALSO NEED MONEY, TONS OF IT.

U THINK DA ARABS ARE DONE, THEN SHAROON GOT TO U ALREADY HUH.. U BE KISSIN HIS ASS AND KISSIN BUSH'S ASS TOO MUCH...
WHO U THINK THE US TAX DOLLARS GO TO?
WHO DO U THINK THE US SEND MILITARY WEAPONS TO?
WHO DO U THINK BLAMES THE PALESTINIANS FOR SELF DEFENSE WHILE SHARRON GETS AWAY WITH ISRAELI SHOOTINGS?
AND BY THE WAY, THE LAND NEVER BELONGED TO ISRAEL, IF U SHOULD KNOW, THE LAND WAS CALLED PALESTINE SINCE BEFORE THE COMING OF CHRIST AND IT SHALL REMAIN

U THINK DA ARABS ARE DONE, THEN SHAROON GOT TO U ALREADY HUH.. U BE KISSIN HIS ASS AND KISSIN BUSH'S ASS TOO MUCH...
WHO U THINK THE US TAX DOLLARS GO TO?
WHO DO U THINK THE US SEND MILITARY WEAPONS TO?
WHO DO U THINK BLAMES THE PALESTINIANS FOR SELF DEFENSE WHILE SHARRON GETS AWAY WITH ISRAELI SHOOTINGS?
AND BY THE WAY, THE LAND NEVER BELONGED TO ISRAEL, IF U SHOULD KNOW, THE LAND WAS CALLED PALESTINE SINCE BEFORE THE COMING OF CHRIST AND IT SHALL REMAIN

U THINK DA ARABS ARE DONE, THEN SHAROON GOT TO U ALREADY HUH.. U BE KISSIN HIS ASS AND KISSIN BUSH'S ASS TOO MUCH...
WHO U THINK THE US TAX DOLLARS GO TO?
WHO DO U THINK THE US SEND MILITARY WEAPONS TO?
WHO DO U THINK BLAMES THE PALESTINIANS FOR SELF DEFENSE WHILE SHARRON GETS AWAY WITH ISRAELI SHOOTINGS?
AND BY THE WAY, THE LAND NEVER BELONGED TO ISRAEL, IF U SHOULD KNOW, THE LAND WAS CALLED PALESTINE SINCE BEFORE THE COMING OF CHRIST AND IT SHALL REMAIN

U THINK DA ARABS ARE DONE, THEN SHAROON GOT TO U ALREADY HUH.. U BE KISSIN HIS ASS AND KISSIN BUSH'S ASS TOO MUCH...
WHO U THINK THE US TAX DOLLARS GO TO?
WHO DO U THINK THE US SEND MILITARY WEAPONS TO?
WHO DO U THINK BLAMES THE PALESTINIANS FOR SELF DEFENSE WHILE SHARRON GETS AWAY WITH ISRAELI SHOOTINGS?
AND BY THE WAY, THE LAND NEVER BELONGED TO ISRAEL, IF U SHOULD KNOW, THE LAND WAS CALLED PALESTINE SINCE BEFORE THE COMING OF CHRIST AND IT SHALL REMAIN

U THINK DA ARABS ARE DONE, THEN SHAROON GOT TO U ALREADY HUH.. U BE KISSIN HIS ASS AND KISSIN BUSH'S ASS TOO MUCH...
WHO U THINK THE US TAX DOLLARS GO TO?
WHO DO U THINK THE US SEND MILITARY WEAPONS TO?
WHO DO U THINK BLAMES THE PALESTINIANS FOR SELF DEFENSE WHILE SHARRON GETS AWAY WITH ISRAELI SHOOTINGS?
AND BY THE WAY, THE LAND NEVER BELONGED TO ISRAEL, IF U SHOULD KNOW, THE LAND WAS CALLED PALESTINE SINCE BEFORE THE COMING OF CHRIST AND IT SHALL REMAIN

U THINK DA ARABS ARE DONE, THEN SHAROON GOT TO U ALREADY HUH.. U BE KISSIN HIS ASS AND KISSIN BUSH'S ASS TOO MUCH...
WHO U THINK THE US TAX DOLLARS GO TO?
WHO DO U THINK THE US SEND MILITARY WEAPONS TO?
WHO DO U THINK BLAMES THE PALESTINIANS FOR SELF DEFENSE WHILE SHARRON GETS AWAY WITH ISRAELI SHOOTINGS?
AND BY THE WAY, THE LAND NEVER BELONGED TO ISRAEL, IF U SHOULD KNOW, THE LAND WAS CALLED PALESTINE SINCE BEFORE THE COMING OF CHRIST AND IT SHALL REMAIN

what you know guys, israel sucks ass. after all this killing in the city of Jeneen, where they killed more than 1500 in one week, the motherfucker Sharon says that 5 were killed only. well let me tell this stupid dum ass Bush that he is the worst stupid president in usa history. Sharon told Bush kiss my ass, and Bush is doing it now.
Palestine will remain Palestine whatever jews say, or let me tell you something, when the jews been peaceful??? all the problems come from jews, and all wars came because of jews. and all the distruction going on now is going because of jews. fuck man, wake up!!!!!!!!!!!

To all the activists in Oakland: BRAVO! Keep up the good work! Everyone should be participating. I do whenever I can.

1) Learn some English all the pro-Arabic people

2) Haha, i'm laughing so hard, have never seen someone so dumb in the last many years. Look, until now all Middle East wars that the Arabs started (just about all of them) were made in surprise (although Israeli intelligence knew about them), so they killed thousands of children before Israel even knew what was going on. But when Israel raids Arab villages looking for terrorist, they announce that they are gonna raid the village.

It's not democratic ? Well, you can stuff it then. Israel is a Jewish-only state as was declared by the UN in 1947/8 and the enemies of Jews aren't welcome. In other words, if you're a Palestinian, don't expect to be loved in Israel just like a Jew wouldn't expect to be loved in Iraq, for example.

I could go on for hundreds of pages (literally) of why Israel is in the right and the Arabs are in the wrong, but i won't. You'll just have to do some RESEARCH yourself before posting stupid Anti-Israeli comments. Same goes for all those who oppose Israel or the USA.

On a side note, Anti-Semitism is not a correct term for Anti-Israeli action, because Arabs are also Semites, so an Anti-Semite would be someone who hates bother Israelis and Arabs.

3) Israel had the Holy Land you know when ? Well, even if you go according to history and comletely ignore the Bible, Israel was a Semitic land since about 10000 years ago. That means Jews lived in harmony there. Then if you beleive the Bible, they were all enslaved then they returned and waged war with a nation called PALESTINE (note that this wasn't a Muslim or Arab nation, it was some stray people who built a small country and has no relations whatsoever to today's Arabs), then Israel was conquered and later Islam was formed and most people who turned Muslim were JEWISH before that, so basically, almost all Muslims comes from Jews.

Again, do some history research before posting idiotic comments.

"Israel had the Holy Land you know when ? Well, even if you go according to history and comletely ignore the Bible, Israel was a Semitic land since about 10000 years ago"

do some history research yourself there pal. The Hebrews came out of Egypt about 3000BC. in 8000BC there wasn't even such a thing as Egypt. Your statement is preposterous, as any Judaic person will tell you.

"do some history research yourself there pal. The Hebrews came out of Egypt about 3000BC. in 8000BC there wasn't even such a thing as Egypt. Your statement is preposterous, as any Judaic person will tell you."

Once again, you're wrong. Jericho was built around 9500 years ago in the Holy Land where it was owned by Sumer. The Semites were some of the people who opposed the Sumerians and founght with them (they came from the heart of the Holy Land) and eventually, since Sumer was getting weak, they drove out the Sumerians. Now, Semites are both Jewish and Arabic, but unfortunately Arabs are too stupid to realize that we're basically brothers in blood. I live in Israel, I hear about terrorist acts every day, i have close relations with a few Muslim people and know how stupid they can be when it comes to religion and politics. They watch Al-Jazeera and are fooled by the propaganda there. They read Arab newspapers. We read newspapers in all languages we know (right now that's Hebrew, English and Russian for me but I'm learning Arabic and French too), so either way we know what's going on better. Why not pay a visit to the Middle East to see for yourself ?

>Jericho was built around 9500 years ago in the Holy Land where it was owned by Sumer.


Sumer didn't exist 9500 years ago.

http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/maptext_n2/sumer.html

yah. It's not Al-Jazeera propaganda. Its called "carbon dating" and its pretty conclusive that there were no cities in 9500 BC. Unless you're into that von Daniken crapola. I challenge you to find a single university or official source which will say there was any civilization at all before about 4500 BC.

Is there some more Israel mythology going on here that I'm missing out on??? Can't wait!

Mmmm, my favorite!

Yessir, I love that rewriting of those boring old textbooks! Who reads those anyhow?

So what's the latest? Did earth actually used to be called Israel before any life existed (naturally, then, it was ETs who were calling it that, since life on Ear . . .oh, I mean Israel didn't exist yet)? Is that it? Did I really guess it right??!!

I KNEW it!

The Israeli mythology that gets repeated the most often is that Israel has always been attacked by its neighbors.

The Arab-Israeli wars I know about happened in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1978, and 1982.

In 1948, the UN (which at that time pretty much meant the US and Britain), gave most of Palestine to the newly arriving Jews who at that point owned only 6% of the land. The Jewish immigrants accepted this UN resolution while most Palestinians rejected the notion (considered a moral duty in the West) that they should give their homes to total strangers and suggested instead a single state solution in which Jews would be welcomed as equals but they would have to acquire their land legally through purchase rather than conquest.

The Zionists of the time used terror tactics like bayonetting the abdomens of pregnant women and slaughtering whole villages (like Deir Yassin --which was well documented -- but many others as well) to empty Palestine of its people. They used wholesale terror to drive out the mass of the Palestinian population and took the land for themselves. What's more, they took over far more land than even the UN resolution at the time had allotted them crossing over the lines the UN had drawn up with impunity. And they also took over the best lands, the most arable, and the beach fronts. Palestinians were driven into the desert.

In 1956, Israel joined forces with Britain and France (the old Empires who were eager to get back into their former roles) and attacked Egypt ostensibly because Egypt nationalized the Suez Canal -- which was built with Egyptian labor. At that point, the US was not totally biased yet and Eisenhower ordered all three to just get out -- which they promptly did. The US was in no mood for competition to the region's resources. At this point, Israel understood that if it were to be able to continue its expansionist ways, it would have to strongly influence US foreign policy to its benefit -- so that the next time Israel acquired territory through force, it would not be forced to leave.

Such a time came again in 1967 when Israel attacked Egypt. It's incessantly claimed that Egypt attacked, but the fact is Israel attacked and even former prime ministers Menachem Begin and Yhitzak Rabin admit that Egypt was not even considering attacking Israel at that time. Rabin was quoted in Le Monde, February 29, 1968, as saying, "I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to the Sinai in May [1967] would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it." On August 8, 1982, Prime Minister Begin made a speech saying, "In June, 1967, we again had a choice. the Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him" (New York Times, August 21, 1982).

In 1973, Egypt along with Syria and Jordan did not attack Israel, but attacked Israeli positions in the territories Israel acquired in 1967 in order to try to regain them. It is not widely known, but Israel was undertaking very brutal ethnic cleansing in those territories at the time.

The 1978 war is usually not even sited because it was a clear Israeli attack on Lebanon which left 2000 Lebanese dead and about a quarter of a million people driven out of their homes.

The 1982 war happened as a direct result of the peace treaty with Egypt. Egypt was removed from the conflict as a deterrent to Israeli aggression. This freed up Israel's army to go into Lebanon. The propaganda in the media was that Israel's northern border was being hit by Katyusha rocket from Lebanon, but the fact is Israel was routinely bombing Southern Lebanon for months attempting to elicit a response but there was no response. Eventually, Israel's deadly bombings (which had killed several hundred people in Lebanon) succeeded in eliciting a Katyusha rocket reprisal which was then used by Israel as a pretext for their planned invasion.

They indiscriminately bombed Beirut and other Lebanese cities killing 18,000 civilians. They razed around 340 buildings to the ground and most of the deaths resulted from people being buried in their own homes. The death toll was from an actual body count, but it was estimated that the death toll could have actually been as high as 50% more because many bodies were buried under highrises and could not be recovered. For a discussion on the body count (which was meticulous because it was understood that it would be denied if mentioned at all), see "Race and Class" Vol. XXIV (Volume 24), No. 4, Spring 1983. This is an academic journal found in most good research libraries.

If Arabs had done to Israelis what Israel did in just that one war, the media would have had a nervous breakdown. And we'd still be bombing till this day...

For an accurate picture of recent Middle East history, please see Noam Chomsky's "The Fateful Triangle" or "Pirates and Emperors."

you moron israel
i wish all of u to die
and tortured in hell forever
scumbag
i am proud as an islam
and I HATE ALL OF YA

if israel is so safe, how come it's the only place on the entire earth where Jews are routinely murdered for being Jews?

What do you have to be proud of? By the tone of your comment, absolutely nothing.

Your anti-Israel Rhetoric is a joke. If it was true France who are the biggests anti-semites would have campaigned to this day fo Israel to return to its borders. As for the slaughters they were reacting to the attempts of hostile arabs shooting at planes flying in emigrants. Just admit it you hate Jews and that they were not exterminated like you had hoped during. WWII.