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URGENT APPEAL from Students for Justice in Palestine -- UC Berkeley
Students for Justice in Palestine at UC Berkeley is under attack from the UC administration. Students may face suspension and the group itself has been suspended as an organization on campus.
As you may have heard, Students for Justice in Palestine at UC Berkeley helped to plan and organize a demonstration on April 9th, 2002 in solidarity with the Palestinian people and to demand that the University of California divest from all of its assets connected to Israel and the Israeli military.
More than 1200 students participated in this rally and demonstration – one of the most exciting events on Berkeley this semester.
During the course of the demonstration, students and community members also took part in a non-violent sit-in in Wheeler Hall. Seventy-nine people were arrested for sitting-in. All face criminal charges; students will face student conduct charges. A few of the students may also face suspension for up to one year, according to the Office of Student Life at Berkeley.
Furthermore, as a consequence of organizing the demonstration and sit-in, the University of California at Berkeley has decided to suspend Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) as an organization on campus pending an investigation. This means, that as long as the investigation continues, SJP is functionally barred from holding events on campus, tabling, distributing literature, and organizing. It could also potentially mean that SJP may be banned as a student organization at Berkeley.
Please note, that while the University of California is “investigating” and “only considering” suspension, these measures are a prelude to worse sanctions, not to mention only applied to SJP (even though many student groups have participated in and conducted civil disobedience on campus).
These actions against SJP are unique and unjustified. No other student group that has participated in non-violent civil disobedience has been
suspended and no students have faced charges of this severity in the past several years at UC Berkeley. We believe that this is a systematic attempt to silence pro-Palestinian voices on campus and to intimidate students from being activists.
In fact, the policy that makes SJP subject to these charges (the Chancellor’s so-called ”zero tolerance” policy) was implemented only a few days before the protest, specifically to make SJP subject to higher
standards and harsher consequences.
It is also an attempt to attack one of the strongest proPalestinian student organizations in the country in order to make it easier to attack other pro-Palestinian students organizations across the country.
We need your help.
Please take a few moments and write to the Chancellor and the Student Judicial Affairs Office (addresses and phone information below) and tell them that you believe that these penalties are unwarranted and unjust.
Especially at Berkeley, where there are memorials to Free Speech movement of the 1960s all over campus (the Mario Savio steps and the Free Speech
Movement Café), these kinds of attacks on free speech and civil disobedience are not only an attempt to roll-back the activist gains won on this campus, but also in defiance of the university’s mission to promote free speech and debate.
We have included some talking points below that you may want to include in your conversation orcorrespondence with the administration at UC
Berkeley.
Please do email us at justiceinpalestine [at] hotmail.com with any
correspondence
that you send so that we can keep a record of the letters that the
administration receives.
We urgently need your help. Please lend your support to pro-Palestinian student activists and activists who are fighting for social justice by letting the administration know that their actions are not supported by members of the community, students, alumni, faculty, and staff.
Sincerely,
Students for Justice in Palestine at UC Berkeley
justiceinpalestine [at] hotmail.com
Please contact:
Chancellor Robert Berdahl
MAIL: 200 California Hall #1500
Berkeley, CA 94720-1500
TEL: (510) 642-7464
FAX: (510) 643-5499
Assistant Chancellor John Cummins
EMAIL: jcummins [at] uclink4.berkeley.edu
MAIL: Office of the Chancellor
200 California Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720-1500
TEL: (510) 642-7516
FAX: (510) 643-5499
Vice Chancellor Genaro Padilla
EMAIL: gpadilla [at] uclink4.berkeley.edu
MAIL: Undergraduate Affairs
130 California Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720-1504
TEL: (510) 642-6727
Student Judicial Affairs Officer Rajmaira
EMAIL: osc [at] uclink4.berkeley.edu
326 Sproul Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
TEL:(510) 643-9069
FAX:(510) 643-3133
TALKING POINTS
1) Students should not face charges or suspension for participating in non-violent civil disobedience.
2) Activists should be allowed, freely, to speak and protest on campus without harassment from the University or its officers.
3) Pro-Palestinian groups are unfairly targeted for higher sanctions, a reflection of the bias in the way that the administration hands out sanctions.
4) Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) is a non-violent organization that promotes education and activism and should be allowed to organize
on campus.
5) Student activists fought for the right to organize on this campus in the 1960s and should be allowed to continue to organize.
6) The University of California should divest from all its holdings in Israel and the Israeli military.
7) Sit-ins and protests are not opposed to theacademic mission of the University of California, in fact, they enhance the education received at Berkeley.
More than 1200 students participated in this rally and demonstration – one of the most exciting events on Berkeley this semester.
During the course of the demonstration, students and community members also took part in a non-violent sit-in in Wheeler Hall. Seventy-nine people were arrested for sitting-in. All face criminal charges; students will face student conduct charges. A few of the students may also face suspension for up to one year, according to the Office of Student Life at Berkeley.
Furthermore, as a consequence of organizing the demonstration and sit-in, the University of California at Berkeley has decided to suspend Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) as an organization on campus pending an investigation. This means, that as long as the investigation continues, SJP is functionally barred from holding events on campus, tabling, distributing literature, and organizing. It could also potentially mean that SJP may be banned as a student organization at Berkeley.
Please note, that while the University of California is “investigating” and “only considering” suspension, these measures are a prelude to worse sanctions, not to mention only applied to SJP (even though many student groups have participated in and conducted civil disobedience on campus).
These actions against SJP are unique and unjustified. No other student group that has participated in non-violent civil disobedience has been
suspended and no students have faced charges of this severity in the past several years at UC Berkeley. We believe that this is a systematic attempt to silence pro-Palestinian voices on campus and to intimidate students from being activists.
In fact, the policy that makes SJP subject to these charges (the Chancellor’s so-called ”zero tolerance” policy) was implemented only a few days before the protest, specifically to make SJP subject to higher
standards and harsher consequences.
It is also an attempt to attack one of the strongest proPalestinian student organizations in the country in order to make it easier to attack other pro-Palestinian students organizations across the country.
We need your help.
Please take a few moments and write to the Chancellor and the Student Judicial Affairs Office (addresses and phone information below) and tell them that you believe that these penalties are unwarranted and unjust.
Especially at Berkeley, where there are memorials to Free Speech movement of the 1960s all over campus (the Mario Savio steps and the Free Speech
Movement Café), these kinds of attacks on free speech and civil disobedience are not only an attempt to roll-back the activist gains won on this campus, but also in defiance of the university’s mission to promote free speech and debate.
We have included some talking points below that you may want to include in your conversation orcorrespondence with the administration at UC
Berkeley.
Please do email us at justiceinpalestine [at] hotmail.com with any
correspondence
that you send so that we can keep a record of the letters that the
administration receives.
We urgently need your help. Please lend your support to pro-Palestinian student activists and activists who are fighting for social justice by letting the administration know that their actions are not supported by members of the community, students, alumni, faculty, and staff.
Sincerely,
Students for Justice in Palestine at UC Berkeley
justiceinpalestine [at] hotmail.com
Please contact:
Chancellor Robert Berdahl
MAIL: 200 California Hall #1500
Berkeley, CA 94720-1500
TEL: (510) 642-7464
FAX: (510) 643-5499
Assistant Chancellor John Cummins
EMAIL: jcummins [at] uclink4.berkeley.edu
MAIL: Office of the Chancellor
200 California Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720-1500
TEL: (510) 642-7516
FAX: (510) 643-5499
Vice Chancellor Genaro Padilla
EMAIL: gpadilla [at] uclink4.berkeley.edu
MAIL: Undergraduate Affairs
130 California Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720-1504
TEL: (510) 642-6727
Student Judicial Affairs Officer Rajmaira
EMAIL: osc [at] uclink4.berkeley.edu
326 Sproul Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
TEL:(510) 643-9069
FAX:(510) 643-3133
TALKING POINTS
1) Students should not face charges or suspension for participating in non-violent civil disobedience.
2) Activists should be allowed, freely, to speak and protest on campus without harassment from the University or its officers.
3) Pro-Palestinian groups are unfairly targeted for higher sanctions, a reflection of the bias in the way that the administration hands out sanctions.
4) Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) is a non-violent organization that promotes education and activism and should be allowed to organize
on campus.
5) Student activists fought for the right to organize on this campus in the 1960s and should be allowed to continue to organize.
6) The University of California should divest from all its holdings in Israel and the Israeli military.
7) Sit-ins and protests are not opposed to theacademic mission of the University of California, in fact, they enhance the education received at Berkeley.
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how if the faculty support for pro-palestinian students?
SJP takes over a building, gets 79 folks arrested, disrupts hundreds fo students taking mid terms, inflames tensions on campus by holding event on Holocaust day, and then comes crying to Indymedia for help.
What a joke. Hey SJP, call mommy, get diaper changed, and take your lumps. You play you pay, welcome to the real world kiddies.
What a joke. Hey SJP, call mommy, get diaper changed, and take your lumps. You play you pay, welcome to the real world kiddies.
this wouldnt be the same right-wing angry clam troll would it? maybe your dad the dentist could explain things more clearly for us.
And, quite honestly, I hope the University fucks SJP the hell up. Peaceful my ass. I had an anthro midterm in there at the time.
Dear colleagues,
I am a (left-wing) student from Greece (Major in English Literarure) and I feel very enthusiastic about seeing American students becoming politically active, especially when these students come from Berkeley.
The movement of solidarity to the Palestinians here in Greece is very active. Up to this point, we have already sent two groups of Greek activists to Ramala and in the following days another two groups leave Athens.
At the same time, we organize peaceful demos almost every week (the next is tomorrow).
I am very sorry to find out that there are stupid guys that think that their "mid term" is more important than the drama of the Palestinian people.
Maybe if they didn't have a country to live and park their Chrysler, they would have a different opinion.Maybe if the US weren't such a powerful and cruel imperialistic force, they would be more sensitive...
Greetings to those Americans who choose to resist...
Yiannis Bournous, Athens-Greece
I am a (left-wing) student from Greece (Major in English Literarure) and I feel very enthusiastic about seeing American students becoming politically active, especially when these students come from Berkeley.
The movement of solidarity to the Palestinians here in Greece is very active. Up to this point, we have already sent two groups of Greek activists to Ramala and in the following days another two groups leave Athens.
At the same time, we organize peaceful demos almost every week (the next is tomorrow).
I am very sorry to find out that there are stupid guys that think that their "mid term" is more important than the drama of the Palestinian people.
Maybe if they didn't have a country to live and park their Chrysler, they would have a different opinion.Maybe if the US weren't such a powerful and cruel imperialistic force, they would be more sensitive...
Greetings to those Americans who choose to resist...
Yiannis Bournous, Athens-Greece
[Students for Justice in Palestine] inflames tensions on campus by holding event on Holocaust day
Funny, as I recall, the Israelis were doing more than "inflaming tensions" on Holocaust day; in fact they were massacring civillians in Jenin. But be sure to stop those evil protestors!
here's to those who's only goal for Berkely is to get a Big Degree, and not to learn anything. here's to those whose only goal for their big degree is to get a Big Job. here's to those whose only goal for their job is to get a Big House with a Big Yard and a Big Car and a Clinically Sexy Spouse and children Perform Good and get 1580 on the SAT. here's to those who belive the american dream is merely the posession of expensive objects (including living humans), and not the the opportunity to be able to posess them at all in the first place. here's to those who see demonstrators and laugh, "what's the matter with those freaks." here's to those who think events thousands of miles away have nothing to do with them, or anything else. here's to those who tell others, "you play, you pay," and because of that attitude, have never demonstrated about a damn thing in their life, because feeling strongly about anything at all "just isn't worth it. what difference does one person make? none of this could ever happen to me." here's to you, because you know, it's your head in the sand, it's your life, it's your disengagement from your world, it's your ignorant look of surprise on your face when events happen TO YOU.
here's to those who's only goal for Berkely is to get a Big Degree, and not to learn anything. here's to those whose only goal for their big degree is to get a Big Job. here's to those whose only goal for their job is to get a Big House with a Big Yard and a Big Car and a Clinically Sexy Spouse and children Perform Good and get 1580 on the SAT. here's to those who belive the american dream is merely the posession of expensive objects (including living humans), and not the the opportunity to be able to posess them at all in the first place. here's to those who see demonstrators and laugh, "what's the matter with those freaks." here's to those who think events thousands of miles away have nothing to do with them, or anything else. here's to those who tell others, "you play, you pay," and because of that attitude, have never demonstrated about a damn thing in their life, because feeling strongly about anything at all "just isn't worth it. what difference does one person make? none of this could ever happen to me." here's to you, because you know, it's your head in the sand, it's your life, it's your disengagement from your world, it's your ignorant look of surprise on your face when events happen TO YOU.
You've blown your cover man. Anyone who spews resentment because a civil disobedience protest blocked him from attending a midterm is simply pathetic. There are people in Jenin who got buried alive a couple of weeks ago. Millions of Palestinians have been exiled to Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan for generations now and you're telling us about your fucking midterm?!?!
Man, talk about getting your priorities mixed up...
Man, talk about getting your priorities mixed up...
I'm reposting this again.
We should try to ignore these right-wingers more, OK?
I want to know if the faculty at Berkeley has been supportive at all to SJP activities. Are there any faculty actively supporting you and if so how many?
Just curious.
We should try to ignore these right-wingers more, OK?
I want to know if the faculty at Berkeley has been supportive at all to SJP activities. Are there any faculty actively supporting you and if so how many?
Just curious.
I'm reposting this again.
We should try to ignore these right-wingers more, OK?
I want to know if the faculty at Berkeley has been supportive at all to SJP activities. Are there any faculty actively supporting you and if so how many?
Just curious.
We should try to ignore these right-wingers more, OK?
I want to know if the faculty at Berkeley has been supportive at all to SJP activities. Are there any faculty actively supporting you and if so how many?
Just curious.
I'm reposting this again.
We should try to ignore these right-wingers more, OK?
I want to know if the faculty at Berkeley has been supportive at all to SJP activities. Are there any faculty actively supporting you and if so how many?
Just curious.
We should try to ignore these right-wingers more, OK?
I want to know if the faculty at Berkeley has been supportive at all to SJP activities. Are there any faculty actively supporting you and if so how many?
Just curious.
speaking of holocausts, The Israeli government is tattooing identifcation/prisoner numbers on palestinians they arrest. They are herding them into ghettos, systematically destroying their cities and towns. The Israeli government is systematically slaughtering a people because they are not of the same faith.
Does that sound like ANYONE you can think of from the past hundred years?
MAYBE THE NAZIS? or (to a lessor extent) apartheid South Africa, even?
It's just sad that a people who pride themselves on being persecuted have to go and force that experience on another group of people.
Does that sound like ANYONE you can think of from the past hundred years?
MAYBE THE NAZIS? or (to a lessor extent) apartheid South Africa, even?
It's just sad that a people who pride themselves on being persecuted have to go and force that experience on another group of people.
Once again indymedia fascism shines through when posters here tell other students what their values should be. Who are you to decide what is *right* and what is *wrong* for a person to pursue in their lives as their goals? Hierarchical lemmings are hierarchical lemmings, and just because they call themselves progressives and read indymedia doesn;t change who they are.
ctually, israel is npt just after one religion. its after all 0f em. even kabalists, the real jews are targeted in israel. many jewish leaders also have become targets as well as christians.
basically anyone who aint an Israel (tm) brand jew is an enemy including many haecidics and idependentalist orthodox jews.
basically anyone who aint an Israel (tm) brand jew is an enemy including many haecidics and idependentalist orthodox jews.
Students for Justice in Palestine at UC Berkeley is still trying to get in touch with faculty to ask them to support our right to demonstrate nonviolently.
In the meantime, the best thing that supporters can do is to send emails or faxes or telephone calls (or all three) to the university officials mentioned in the above statement.
In the meantime, the best thing that supporters can do is to send emails or faxes or telephone calls (or all three) to the university officials mentioned in the above statement.
I'm guessing the post about fascists is directed at me becuase i brought up the Nazis.
I was trying to point out the striking similarities between the Nazi campaign against Jews in Eastern Europe and the Israeli state's campaign against, well, just about everyone as was pointed out. They are acting in incredibly similar ways to bring about similar goals. They seem to be using the same tactics. I'm not calling them fascists, you gave them that title. And i'm not trying to tell theri values should be.
But it seems like the WHOLE WORLD except, of course, the United States and Israel has condemned their actions as war crimes, violating the Geneva convention and all the rest. Who is a heirarchical lemming, anyway? The people who put current events into a context of global history, or the ones who get offended at the mere mention of something contradictory to their own beliefs?
I was trying to point out the striking similarities between the Nazi campaign against Jews in Eastern Europe and the Israeli state's campaign against, well, just about everyone as was pointed out. They are acting in incredibly similar ways to bring about similar goals. They seem to be using the same tactics. I'm not calling them fascists, you gave them that title. And i'm not trying to tell theri values should be.
But it seems like the WHOLE WORLD except, of course, the United States and Israel has condemned their actions as war crimes, violating the Geneva convention and all the rest. Who is a heirarchical lemming, anyway? The people who put current events into a context of global history, or the ones who get offended at the mere mention of something contradictory to their own beliefs?
from RU a fascist- " Once again indymedia fascism shines through when posters here tell other students what their values should be. Who are you to decide what is *right* and what is *wrong* for a person ......"
Since no one is including their real name or email address, I guess I should do the same, being I'm always told what to do by IM authoriities.....
The last time I checked, YOU are indymedia. You are contributing to the content. I haven't been told what I 'need' to think here. Am I missing some V chip in my brain or something? Those who despise 'political correctness' universally rush to apply that label to whomever thay have a beef with. Stick to the facts.
An occupying army is rounding up and deporting dissidents, bulldozing houses and then 'allowing' the inhabitants to go to refugee camps, destroying non military properties, like schools, churches, synagouges, post offices, shops and still more homes, as well as the refugee camps that were built 'just for them'.
These refugee camps are more akin to concentration camps. Isreal in fact modeled these refugee camps after our indian reservations.
I need to ask, if all this happened to you today, right now, with a 5 minute eviction order, what would you do- convert to judism?
shalom comrade,
Since no one is including their real name or email address, I guess I should do the same, being I'm always told what to do by IM authoriities.....
The last time I checked, YOU are indymedia. You are contributing to the content. I haven't been told what I 'need' to think here. Am I missing some V chip in my brain or something? Those who despise 'political correctness' universally rush to apply that label to whomever thay have a beef with. Stick to the facts.
An occupying army is rounding up and deporting dissidents, bulldozing houses and then 'allowing' the inhabitants to go to refugee camps, destroying non military properties, like schools, churches, synagouges, post offices, shops and still more homes, as well as the refugee camps that were built 'just for them'.
These refugee camps are more akin to concentration camps. Isreal in fact modeled these refugee camps after our indian reservations.
I need to ask, if all this happened to you today, right now, with a 5 minute eviction order, what would you do- convert to judism?
shalom comrade,
You poor thing, your midterm was disrupted? Hopefully, daddy won't take the BMW away from you for too long. Your response in calling people "fascists" for "putting their values" on you is typical of a rightwing racist who tries to deny racism and inequality. I have news for you, individualistic asshole. That's not going to be the last midterm of yours that is disrupted.
the wheeler hall occupation happened to be on holocaust rememberance day which also happens to be on the anniversary of one of the largest massacres of palestinians by israelis in history, funny date to be remembering the holocaust
There is no faculty. If there is its probably one of the Muslum studies PHD'S wh is probably connected to some anti-west or American group. I hope those students go back home to he middle east. What nerve these people to come tothis country and use our resources and then protest against our politics while they are there and cause a disturbance. Now they wil have to go home. Israeli policies are not very Zen and the so called Palestinians have some points but they are not innocent. They live in Jordan andn Syria and LEbannon because thats where there family for to many generations to count have lived. Its hard to reason with people who cry wolf and claim innnocent.
I'm not avoiding anything, so that is my real email if it matters to anyone out there, just drop the underscores. those are there to prevent spam-spiders from grabbing my addy off webpages.
At Deir Yasin estimates are that 150-200 people died. 2 Days later, Palestinians ambushed a Jewish medical convoy and killed 77 civilians. 6,000,ooo Jews died int he Holocaust.
So what was your point again?
So what was your point again?
that post was a frustrated shot in support of the now oppressed underdog.
that was not a funny day to remember anything, both palestinians and jews have a right and should remember what happened to both of their peoples on that day.
the frustrating thing is after reading the posts on this thread, palestinians are getting attacked for supporting their people on a day that is important to them too.
i am pro palestinian, pro jewish and opposed to the israeli government, and unfortunately i dont see enough of this sentiment coming from either side.
demonstrations in the bay area where israeli flags are present overwhelmingly blindly support the israeli state without any admission that palestinians are suffering too, and until there is a clear voice of support from jewish people for palestinians, acknowledging the problems with the israeli government, the politics are going to continue to stink, and the message coming from demonstrations will continue to appear based in anger, hatred and intolerance as oppossed to respect for life, culture and the reality of the current situation.
i love my country but i fear my government, so you're not gonna see me waving an american flag anytime soon, fueling the war machine.
loose the israeli flags, up with the star of david and the flag of palestine.
that was not a funny day to remember anything, both palestinians and jews have a right and should remember what happened to both of their peoples on that day.
the frustrating thing is after reading the posts on this thread, palestinians are getting attacked for supporting their people on a day that is important to them too.
i am pro palestinian, pro jewish and opposed to the israeli government, and unfortunately i dont see enough of this sentiment coming from either side.
demonstrations in the bay area where israeli flags are present overwhelmingly blindly support the israeli state without any admission that palestinians are suffering too, and until there is a clear voice of support from jewish people for palestinians, acknowledging the problems with the israeli government, the politics are going to continue to stink, and the message coming from demonstrations will continue to appear based in anger, hatred and intolerance as oppossed to respect for life, culture and the reality of the current situation.
i love my country but i fear my government, so you're not gonna see me waving an american flag anytime soon, fueling the war machine.
loose the israeli flags, up with the star of david and the flag of palestine.
The thing about that day is that it is not some sort of official day for the Palestinians. Deri Yasin happened over a 3 day period, and the date for the protest was chosen at an SJP conference earlier in the Spring. It isn;t the same thing as Holocaust Remembrance Day, which is an annual worldwide remembrance.
And while Deir Yasin was a horrific slaughter, as was the slaughter of the Jewish medical convoy 2 days later, neither are a genocide. Yet the Palestinian student group was trying to make that connection, and that is wrong.
As far as blind support of Israel, i know of many, many who are not 'blind supporters' of all of Israel's policies. But they, and I, are in total 100% support of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. Most of the posters here seem to be pro-Palestinian state, but against Israel's existence.
And while Deir Yasin was a horrific slaughter, as was the slaughter of the Jewish medical convoy 2 days later, neither are a genocide. Yet the Palestinian student group was trying to make that connection, and that is wrong.
As far as blind support of Israel, i know of many, many who are not 'blind supporters' of all of Israel's policies. But they, and I, are in total 100% support of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. Most of the posters here seem to be pro-Palestinian state, but against Israel's existence.
This is outrageous! The students of SJP are the best of their generation. They are willing to fight for what they believe even when it isn't popular or convenient, even when they are anti-racist and must be confronted almost daily with riduculous charges of being anti-semitic. The ones who are suggesting these sanctions should lose their jobs. They are not there to teach; they are there to stop learning from happening.
Have you guys ever thought what the Israelis would be doing if they were really as evil as you think? If they were really trying to kill as many Palestinians as they could?
Ask yourselves - what is stopping them?
Answer: Only their own morality and ethics. You know it's true.
What would they be doing if they had the morals of the Palestinian terrorists?
Let's hope they don't get mad enough to ever have this question answered.
Ask yourselves - what is stopping them?
Answer: Only their own morality and ethics. You know it's true.
What would they be doing if they had the morals of the Palestinian terrorists?
Let's hope they don't get mad enough to ever have this question answered.
SJP desperately wants to believe that they are following in the tradition of Martin Luther King, Ghandi, and Mario Savio. Their rhetoric says they were simply occupying Wheeler peacefully and they are against violence in the middle east. However, they rammed police officers as they stormed the building and then cheered loudly when they announced the death of Israelis over the microphone. Remind me, but I don't think MLK sought or cheered the death of white people. SJP doesn't even know what it's talking about half the time. They are always claiming that Israel is racist even though they've never been there. People of every color live in Israel and Arabs serve in the Israeli army. Quite possibly, Arab soldiers in the IDF are fighting alongside their Jewish brothers in the West Bank. They are certainly being blown up like their Jewish brothers. Will SJP cheer that?
where do you buy your crack?
SJP are heros. You guys deserve every respect. I hope to meet some of you this summer on the International Solidarity Movement.
Please recruit as many people as possible to come to the occupied territories and take non-violent direct action. The more Americans who come, the stronger it will be. Solidarity.
SJP are heros. You guys deserve every respect. I hope to meet some of you this summer on the International Solidarity Movement.
Please recruit as many people as possible to come to the occupied territories and take non-violent direct action. The more Americans who come, the stronger it will be. Solidarity.
I used to be in SJP but wuit because of the anti-semetic rhetoric that many of the members speak.
I used to be in SJP but quit because of the anti-semetic rhetoric that many of the members speak.
In Berkeley both the campus and the community encourage free speech and open debate. Whatever one may think of the merits of the university policy against the kind of disruption of academic activities that results from the occupation of a university building, it is unnecessarily inflammatory to suggest that the policy is intended to silence free speech or prevent peaceful protest.
Get off the internet, destroy the right wing!!!
The concept of freedom of speech on the UC Berkeley campus has always been a joke, and the administration has basically always tryed to control the time, place, and manner...not to mention the content of your speech. The University as usual is choosing to try to stifle protests against its ongoing complicity in supporting Israeli terror against the people of Palestine. We have seen the UC Regents act this way before, during the anti-apartheid movement of the 80s, when even though they agreed to divest from the infrastructure of South African Apartheid...They never actually did, and thus always relied on that foggy notion of constructive engagement. This idea is used very often by the United States government in relations to it's foreign policy decisions: such as the recent attempt to "constructively" engage in Venezuelan politics, the "constructive" invasion of Vietnam, the ongoing "constructive" bombing exercises on the island of Vieques, the "constructive" engagement with Allende in Chile on September 11th 1973. How about the "constructive" engagement with military dictatorships and training of other militaries to terrorize their people and suppress true democracy like in the Phillipines now, or Central American countries throughout the 80s.
It is obvious that we must stop this cycle of violence, and that begins with stopping the funding for all acts of terrorism, and this does not exempt Israelis or people from the United States. We are all collectively responsible for what is going on right now in Palestine and many other parts of the world. Our silence in these matters equals complicity with the system of oppression and brainwashing that has us thinking that one of the few countries in the world that still has legalized slavery(for prisoners, read the 13th amendement), and incarcerates more people than any other country in the world. We must break the mental chains and speak out, even take action for what is right. UC divestment from Israeli terror and the companies which support the Israeli terrorist state.
And for those right wingers on campus who screamed so loudly in recent years. We can only wonder where you will stand now that a whole group of people's 1st Amendment Rights are really being violated. I don't doubt that you will be cheerleaders for the administration in this matter, and that you will be nowhere near the movement to free, free speech on this campus.
Free, Free Speech!! Free Palestine!!
Calender for April 29th-May 2
**Monday April 29th 11am to 2pm
Tabling: We Are All Students for Justice in Palestine
We urge everyone to stop by Upper Biko(Sproul)Plaza on Monday April 29th as various student groups will table on the campus with signs saying "WE ARE ALL STUDENTS FOR JUSTICE IN PALESTINE",
Community groups are encouraged to table in solidarity with the Palestinian issue and the call for UC to Divest, and for free speech on the UC Campus near the Soutside entrance to UC Berkeley at the end of Bancroft and Telegraph.
**Courtroom hearings on Tuesday April 30th at 2pm
Martin Luther King Dr and Center St
BART: take to Downtown Berkeley, walk west down Center St, it dead ends into the Courthouse
***Wednesday May 1st 12-2pm Oakland INS/Federal Building on Clay Street between 12th & 14th
BART: exit 12th Street BART and walk west
!!! TIME TO TAKE A STAND FOR TRUTH, JOBS, JUSTICE, AND IMMIGRANT WORKERS RIGHTS!!!
International Workers Day Solidarity Rally
General Amnesty for ALL!!
An END TO INS RAIDS which TERRORIZE OUR COMMUNITY!!!
***Free, Free Speech!! Free Palestine!!
Rally on the UC Campus Thusday May 2nd, noon
more info to come
in solidarity - irlandeso
La Lucha Sique...Puerto Rico Libre!!
there is a larger coalition on the UC Campus and in the surrounding the community that stands for JUSTICE IN PALESTINE...We will not be stopped by the UCPDs heavy handed treatment or the University's hollow threats....
UC REGENTS...Do whats best?? DIVEST
The Coalition of Students and Student Groups and campus that will stand stand in solidarity with SJP next week, represent a broad range of people, probably even a majority opinion on campus, contrary to certain articles in the papers which seem to say that the International Socialist Organization and one of their members are the STUDENTS FOR JUSTICE IN PALESTINE on our campus. Come to campus next week and see the truth....See you on Biko Plaza
Note: Biko Plaza was formerly known as Sproul Plaza until students during the anti-aparthied movement renamed it in honor of Stephen Biko, a leader in the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa who was once considered a terrorist for inspiring black people to have dignity and resist white settlers who were constantly settling on black land and pushed the black South African community into refugee camps and small reservation sized pockets of land that were isolated from each other in much the same way as the land that Israel offers the Palestinians today.
no JUSTICE, no PEACE
The concept of freedom of speech on the UC Berkeley campus has always been a joke, and the administration has basically always tryed to control the time, place, and manner...not to mention the content of your speech. The University as usual is choosing to try to stifle protests against its ongoing complicity in supporting Israeli terror against the people of Palestine. We have seen the UC Regents act this way before, during the anti-apartheid movement of the 80s, when even though they agreed to divest from the infrastructure of South African Apartheid...They never actually did, and thus always relied on that foggy notion of constructive engagement. This idea is used very often by the United States government in relations to it's foreign policy decisions: such as the recent attempt to "constructively" engage in Venezuelan politics, the "constructive" invasion of Vietnam, the ongoing "constructive" bombing exercises on the island of Vieques, the "constructive" engagement with Allende in Chile on September 11th 1973. How about the "constructive" engagement with military dictatorships and training of other militaries to terrorize their people and suppress true democracy like in the Phillipines now, or Central American countries throughout the 80s.
It is obvious that we must stop this cycle of violence, and that begins with stopping the funding for all acts of terrorism, and this does not exempt Israelis or people from the United States. We are all collectively responsible for what is going on right now in Palestine and many other parts of the world. Our silence in these matters equals complicity with the system of oppression and brainwashing that has us thinking that one of the few countries in the world that still has legalized slavery(for prisoners, read the 13th amendement), and incarcerates more people than any other country in the world. We must break the mental chains and speak out, even take action for what is right. UC divestment from Israeli terror and the companies which support the Israeli terrorist state.
And for those right wingers on campus who screamed so loudly in recent years. We can only wonder where you will stand now that a whole group of people's 1st Amendment Rights are really being violated. I don't doubt that you will be cheerleaders for the administration in this matter, and that you will be nowhere near the movement to free, free speech on this campus.
Free, Free Speech!! Free Palestine!!
Calender for April 29th-May 2
**Monday April 29th 11am to 2pm
Tabling: We Are All Students for Justice in Palestine
We urge everyone to stop by Upper Biko(Sproul)Plaza on Monday April 29th as various student groups will table on the campus with signs saying "WE ARE ALL STUDENTS FOR JUSTICE IN PALESTINE",
Community groups are encouraged to table in solidarity with the Palestinian issue and the call for UC to Divest, and for free speech on the UC Campus near the Soutside entrance to UC Berkeley at the end of Bancroft and Telegraph.
**Courtroom hearings on Tuesday April 30th at 2pm
Martin Luther King Dr and Center St
BART: take to Downtown Berkeley, walk west down Center St, it dead ends into the Courthouse
***Wednesday May 1st 12-2pm Oakland INS/Federal Building on Clay Street between 12th & 14th
BART: exit 12th Street BART and walk west
!!! TIME TO TAKE A STAND FOR TRUTH, JOBS, JUSTICE, AND IMMIGRANT WORKERS RIGHTS!!!
International Workers Day Solidarity Rally
General Amnesty for ALL!!
An END TO INS RAIDS which TERRORIZE OUR COMMUNITY!!!
***Free, Free Speech!! Free Palestine!!
Rally on the UC Campus Thusday May 2nd, noon
more info to come
in solidarity - irlandeso
La Lucha Sique...Puerto Rico Libre!!
there is a larger coalition on the UC Campus and in the surrounding the community that stands for JUSTICE IN PALESTINE...We will not be stopped by the UCPDs heavy handed treatment or the University's hollow threats....
UC REGENTS...Do whats best?? DIVEST
The Coalition of Students and Student Groups and campus that will stand stand in solidarity with SJP next week, represent a broad range of people, probably even a majority opinion on campus, contrary to certain articles in the papers which seem to say that the International Socialist Organization and one of their members are the STUDENTS FOR JUSTICE IN PALESTINE on our campus. Come to campus next week and see the truth....See you on Biko Plaza
Note: Biko Plaza was formerly known as Sproul Plaza until students during the anti-aparthied movement renamed it in honor of Stephen Biko, a leader in the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa who was once considered a terrorist for inspiring black people to have dignity and resist white settlers who were constantly settling on black land and pushed the black South African community into refugee camps and small reservation sized pockets of land that were isolated from each other in much the same way as the land that Israel offers the Palestinians today.
no JUSTICE, no PEACE
>Anyone who spews resentment because a civil disobedience protest blocked him from attending a midterm is simply pathetic. There are people in Jenin who got buried alive a couple of weeks ago. Millions of Palestinians have been exiled to Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan for generations now and you're telling us about your fucking midterm?!?!
>I am very sorry to find out that there are stupid guys that think that their "mid term" is more important than the drama of the Palestinian people.
This may come as a big shock to some of you, but the main purpose of college is to further your education in the classroom. That's that place where they hand out grades at the end of the term. Usually have a Prof standing in front of the class lecturing about whatever. You have desks to sit in. Pen. Paper. Text Book. You remember that, right!?!
College is that thing you had to pay $4K for, or $15K if your out-of-state, or keep a certain GPA if you're on a scholarship. Remember that?
If you want to protest, by all means as long as you are within the boundries of the law, proceed. Just have enough curtiousy to not disrupt other students who do not wish to participate or disrupt classes where your fellow students have determind they need to be in class and they wish to focus their attention on that. While you may think your "cause" is worth more than any inconvienence you may cause others, I assure you that if the student group "In Favor Of No Tomatoes On Their Tacos" were to disrupt your class (especially mid-terms), you wouldn't appreciate it. Think before you act. It will save you a lot of grief. Besides, it's part of the maturation process.
>I am very sorry to find out that there are stupid guys that think that their "mid term" is more important than the drama of the Palestinian people.
This may come as a big shock to some of you, but the main purpose of college is to further your education in the classroom. That's that place where they hand out grades at the end of the term. Usually have a Prof standing in front of the class lecturing about whatever. You have desks to sit in. Pen. Paper. Text Book. You remember that, right!?!
College is that thing you had to pay $4K for, or $15K if your out-of-state, or keep a certain GPA if you're on a scholarship. Remember that?
If you want to protest, by all means as long as you are within the boundries of the law, proceed. Just have enough curtiousy to not disrupt other students who do not wish to participate or disrupt classes where your fellow students have determind they need to be in class and they wish to focus their attention on that. While you may think your "cause" is worth more than any inconvienence you may cause others, I assure you that if the student group "In Favor Of No Tomatoes On Their Tacos" were to disrupt your class (especially mid-terms), you wouldn't appreciate it. Think before you act. It will save you a lot of grief. Besides, it's part of the maturation process.
I Thought it was kind of interesting when I read about Irlandeso praising free speech, but also teling the person he was disclaiming to quote "get off the internet...". I don' t know about everyone else but it sounds to me like he doesn't want them to use their free speech. Irlandeso, don't use double-think if you want to sound intelligent.
I'll be right there to defend your civil rights. Please have my retainer in an unmarked, sealed, brown envelope. The standard amount will be a good start.
I'm on crack, huh? You don't believe there are Arabs in the IDF? Well, you have just displayed your vast ignorance. Arab Druze and Bedouins are loyal to Israel and serve just like anyone else, and there are even a few Arab Christians in the IDF. They even become officers. Several of these Arab soldiers have been killed in the line of duty. I suggest you take a look at this following link and read about the Arab soldiers and how they were killed by Palestinian terrorists.
http://www.walk4israel.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Victims
http://www.walk4israel.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Victims
Destroy the Right Wing
If you had good taste in music and sort of overall consciousness...which would allow you to realize that one persons oppression, even on the other side of the world, is connected to your oppression...
I am just merely trying to encourage people to take action and not sit here and deal with dumb asses like you that probably never do anything to benefit the general community around you, and smile so wide as you chant "USA" on Sproul
stay on the internet all you want...by all means make use of indymedia to spey your hatred and propaganda...really its cool, i would rather that people that can't think rationally like you sit in front of your computer all the time and post your bs on indymedia...all you are really doing is making yourself look like a moron because you can't even handle respecting a beautiful space like indymedia and continue to spew your bullshit on this site in an effort to make yourself feel better...i'll get off the internet now, as i have to engage myself in the real world
If you had good taste in music and sort of overall consciousness...which would allow you to realize that one persons oppression, even on the other side of the world, is connected to your oppression...
I am just merely trying to encourage people to take action and not sit here and deal with dumb asses like you that probably never do anything to benefit the general community around you, and smile so wide as you chant "USA" on Sproul
stay on the internet all you want...by all means make use of indymedia to spey your hatred and propaganda...really its cool, i would rather that people that can't think rationally like you sit in front of your computer all the time and post your bs on indymedia...all you are really doing is making yourself look like a moron because you can't even handle respecting a beautiful space like indymedia and continue to spew your bullshit on this site in an effort to make yourself feel better...i'll get off the internet now, as i have to engage myself in the real world
I bet these SJP people are out of stae out of country students. Go home with your violent terrorist BS. You can fool some people some time but you can fool all the people all the time. Take your hate and anti-nonmuslum theology back to your country which is jordan, syria or lbannon or israel. You have lived in these non-israeli countries for generations becasue that is where your family is from stop pleading political refuggee staus you are just contributing to the exploitation of Human rightsv all over the world. People are dead but you muslums are the not he ones I want to see ruling anything and it seems you are on a jihad to move to everycountry as a political refugee. Leave your fundamentalist BS at home. And stop covering up you woman. If you think this is going to fly here in the US you have another thing coming this is not europe we dont need you we get cheap labor from mexico and hispanic america--this is not right and people ar efighting against expoiting poeple. You people have taken over the left and the left has guaranteed lost many ant-world trade agreement and IMF world bank genocides. What a joke on the american people to let these marginal people take over the political forum. They are no preaching democracy, liberty and justice for all. These are our goals nothe goals of a lot of the muslum polulation and especially not suicide bombers or a culture which is religiously intolerant. Anti-Jew. You better believe you will loose. 100,000 thousand people marched in Washington for the freedom of israel. This was not a solidarity march with other issues wraped up this was for israel and you better believe there will be more the next time. No matter how many people you have conquered all over the world with your governments hate of everthing not muslum and hatred of woman will end. You will end. If you think I am goimg to live in a society with the Muslum faith prevailing with there veils and hatred. I will take up arms against the oppressor. I will take up arms against the oppressor and so will my neighbor. You can fool some people some t ime but you cant fool all the people all the time. Stop feeding off the naivety of young privledged UC and other privledged people young adults who have never seen the eyes of a liar before. Stop feeding off the naivety of the young privledged UC and other young adults who have never seen the eyes of a liar before. Grant it there should always be a check and balanced approach to israelis policy and for the most part here is. I do not believe in killing. I do not support the palestinians they need to earn there support considering the the situations which ahave arisen with the terrorist attacks and suicide bombings. I am not a fascist. I would rather have the a more yoga approach to most of life not a Muslum approach.. Mohhamond was warrior he preached violence this is there religion. Again you are pests who need to be de-brainwashed. And I am sorry if a few of you have to die to create peace for the rest. Thre is more than one solution to a problem like the one you impose on other non-muslums. Problems such as your anti-west, anti-Jew, anti-christian anti-buddist anti-hindu ant everthing which does not fit into your authoritarian life style. Shove it up your ass. You can fool some people some time but you cant fool all the people all the time. You have dome nothing sjp to prove that these are not your values. all you do is cry innocence and wolf. A bunch of liars. I dare you to bring more of your tactics to the united states and canada. And then you will see a real solidarity against you. NO MORE OIL. ALTERNATIVE ENERGY. AND YOU WILL SURELY DISSAPEAR INTO YOUR THIRD WORLD HELL--THE END OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE---AND THEN WHO WILL YOU BLAME. OF COURCE THE ONE WHO FEEDS YOU---THE US ANS ISRAEL. GO AHEAD START A RIOT AND KEEP CREATING YOUR TERRORIST CELLS AND YOU WILL SURELY GO AWAY. WE DONOT GIVE AS MANY CHANCES AS EUROPE WE DO NOT HAVE TO PLACATE YOU THE WAY THEY DO ESPECIALLY IF STOP USING OIL. LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER WE EXPLOIT WORKERS FORM LATIN AMERICA--I DO NOT SUPPORT EXPLOITATION BUT AGAIN I DO NOTSUPPORT YOU. AND IF I SEE ON EOF YOUR STUIPED FLAGS OF WAR WITH THE STONE SLING SHOT AT A DEMONSTARATION I WILL ATTACK YOU. WHY BECAUSE YOU ARE THREATNING WHAT I BELIEVE IN WHICH IS LIBERTY AND JUSTICE AND PEACE BUT HEY I HAVE NOT REACHED ENLIGHTMENT. I'LL CHOKE YOU WITYH YOUR VEIL AND SHOVE A KNIFE UP YOUR CROTCH OR PENIS BEFORE I LET YOU AND YOUR OUT OF CONTROL SOCIETY PUT A VEIL ON ME AND CUT OFF MY CLIT. SAVE THE TREES, RECYCLE AND VOTE FOR NO MORE OIL.
yeah right dude. by anti-semetic do you mean criticizing a government?
You are correct in your reply to The Burningman, of Arab
Druze and Bedouins serving in Israel's army. However, the situation is
not the rosy picture of profound love of Israel government policy
and Sharonist ass-licking loyalty that some would like to
portray. Especially when their crops are poisoned.
Druze and Bedouins serving in Israel's army. However, the situation is
not the rosy picture of profound love of Israel government policy
and Sharonist ass-licking loyalty that some would like to
portray. Especially when their crops are poisoned.
Another Arab Population Grows Angry at Israel
Long-Docile Bedouins Protest Their Second-Class Status After the Government Destroys Their Crops
By Daniel Williams
[Excerpt]
Atrash, 25, served in the army for 5 1/2 years. His stint included duty in the Gaza Strip. He said he joined to show Israeli Jews that Bedouins supported the state. Moreover, because much of the Negev is used by the military for training, Bedouins frequently deal with officers on issues such as access to water and permission to build roads.
"It is good policy to have relations with the army," Atrash said.
Having served in the army, and now having been served with a demolition order, Atrash is disillusioned. "In the end, we are just another Arab enemy in Israeli eyes," he said. "If a young man comes and asks me if he should join the army, I don't advise against, but I tell him it won't solve any problems. It won't end discrimination."
Atrash said that Bedouin attitudes toward Israel have hardened since the late 1980s, when Palestinians revolted and hundreds of stone-throwing protesters were shot dead by Israeli troops. He kept his army membership secret from his family for six months. He also endured insults from neighbors who branded him a traitor.
Mohamed Abdul-Kariim Bader, a high school teacher in Laqiya, concurred that the Palestinian-Israeli conflict has awakened Bedouin anger. "We now know," he said, "that an Arab is an Arab."
For more information:
http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mid...
Israel Facts we should all remember
Benjamin Netanyahu gave an interview and was asked about
Israel's
occupation
of Arab lands -- his response was , "It's our land."
The following material was written by an American
Christian professor
BRIEF FACTS ON THE ISRAELI CONFLICT TODAY....Takes just
1.5 minutes to
read!!!! It makes sense and it's not slanted.
1. Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in
1312 B.C.E., two
thousand years before the rise of Islam.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as
part of a
Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the
establishment of the
modern State of Israel.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E., the Jews have
had dominion
over the land for one thousand years with a continuous
presence in the
land
for the past 3,300 years.
4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E.
lasted no more
than 22 years.
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish
capital. Jerusalem
has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity.
Even when the
Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make
it their
capital,
and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the
Jewish Holy
Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed
never came to
Jerusalem.
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their
backs toward
Jerusalem.
9. Arab and Jewish Refugees: In 1948 the Arab refugees
were encouraged to
leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land
of Jews.
Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli
soldier.
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab
lands due to Arab
brutality, persecution and pogroms.
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is
estimated to
be
around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab
lands is
estimated
to be the same.
12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or
integrated into the
Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab
territory. Out of
the
100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the
only refugee group
in
the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into
their own
peoples'
lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into
Israel, a country no
larger than the state of New Jersey.
13. The Arab - Israeli Conflict: The Arabs are represented
by eight
separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is
only one
Jewish
nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and
lost. Israel
defended
itself each time and won.
14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction
of the State of
Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the
West Bank land,
autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has
supplied them.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were
desecrated and the Jews
were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli
rule, all Muslim
and
Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to
people of all
faiths.
16. The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175
Security Council
resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against
Israel.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on
before 1990, 429
were
directed against Israel.
18. The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were
destroyed by
the
Jordanians.
19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians
systematically desecrated
the
ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an
apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the
Temple Mount
and
the Western Wall.
Benjamin Netanyahu gave an interview and was asked about
Israel's
occupation
of Arab lands -- his response was , "It's our land."
The following material was written by an American
Christian professor
BRIEF FACTS ON THE ISRAELI CONFLICT TODAY....Takes just
1.5 minutes to
read!!!! It makes sense and it's not slanted.
1. Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in
1312 B.C.E., two
thousand years before the rise of Islam.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as
part of a
Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the
establishment of the
modern State of Israel.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E., the Jews have
had dominion
over the land for one thousand years with a continuous
presence in the
land
for the past 3,300 years.
4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E.
lasted no more
than 22 years.
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish
capital. Jerusalem
has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity.
Even when the
Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make
it their
capital,
and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the
Jewish Holy
Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed
never came to
Jerusalem.
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their
backs toward
Jerusalem.
9. Arab and Jewish Refugees: In 1948 the Arab refugees
were encouraged to
leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land
of Jews.
Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli
soldier.
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab
lands due to Arab
brutality, persecution and pogroms.
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is
estimated to
be
around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab
lands is
estimated
to be the same.
12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or
integrated into the
Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab
territory. Out of
the
100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the
only refugee group
in
the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into
their own
peoples'
lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into
Israel, a country no
larger than the state of New Jersey.
13. The Arab - Israeli Conflict: The Arabs are represented
by eight
separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is
only one
Jewish
nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and
lost. Israel
defended
itself each time and won.
14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction
of the State of
Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the
West Bank land,
autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has
supplied them.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were
desecrated and the Jews
were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli
rule, all Muslim
and
Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to
people of all
faiths.
16. The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175
Security Council
resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against
Israel.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on
before 1990, 429
were
directed against Israel.
18. The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were
destroyed by
the
Jordanians.
19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians
systematically desecrated
the
ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an
apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the
Temple Mount
and
the Western Wall.
Interesting viewpoint, Jenin massacre ? Is that what was being done on Holocaust day ?
Amazing that the UN, BBC, CNN and many others agree that no massacre took place in Jenin, you persist in disseminating this lie. A typical Pro-palestinian tactic... Damn the truth, if it trashes Israel then it's OK. Truth, Lie, it's immaterial, the point is to say as many negative things about Israel as your feeble little brain can think up. There was no massacre in Jenin, but hey, don't let that stop you. Since the truth does not fit into your ugly anti-semitic view of the world, just go ahead and spout the lies that most comfortably support your unoriginal and hateful world perspective. You Suck !!!!!
Amazing that the UN, BBC, CNN and many others agree that no massacre took place in Jenin, you persist in disseminating this lie. A typical Pro-palestinian tactic... Damn the truth, if it trashes Israel then it's OK. Truth, Lie, it's immaterial, the point is to say as many negative things about Israel as your feeble little brain can think up. There was no massacre in Jenin, but hey, don't let that stop you. Since the truth does not fit into your ugly anti-semitic view of the world, just go ahead and spout the lies that most comfortably support your unoriginal and hateful world perspective. You Suck !!!!!
yeah colin powell said he couldn't see evidence of a massacre, and the u.n. a month later came in and said the same thing. obviously, israel is innocent of anywrong doing, and are in fact the victims...
now back to reality...
if there was no massacre in jenin, why didn't the isreali government let the u.n in right away? they denied the u.n. access to the refugee camp for several weeks. wouldn't it be great to be accused of a crime, and to set the the terms for when and how those accusing you are able to investigate?
anyway, lets take a look at some photos. you can be the judge if this looks like a massacre to you or not.
http://poetry.rotten.com/jenin/
(fucking zionists.)
now back to reality...
if there was no massacre in jenin, why didn't the isreali government let the u.n in right away? they denied the u.n. access to the refugee camp for several weeks. wouldn't it be great to be accused of a crime, and to set the the terms for when and how those accusing you are able to investigate?
anyway, lets take a look at some photos. you can be the judge if this looks like a massacre to you or not.
http://poetry.rotten.com/jenin/
(fucking zionists.)
yeah all you self-righteous idiots never protest the aparheid system in Saudi Arabia or whine about the need to divest from Arab-facist nations. Your interest and compassion regarding injustice depends 100% on who the victim is and who the perpetrator is. This is why you have no credibility- Your "outrage" is very contrived and arbitrary. Now I'll sit back and wait to be called a Zionist by PaleNAzi's and their supporters.
The fact of the matter is that the kikes commited a horrible war crime in Jenin fully equivalent to what they-allegedly!-suffered under Hitler. This is the nature of Judaism itself-an evil oppressive religion whose adherents are among the worst people in human history. I am beginning to suspect that Hitler was not all that wrong about them; if he HAD succeeded in killing many more, we would not have these problems today. FUCK THE GODDAMN JEWS!!!
Jennin=the holocaust?
lets see Jenin -20 civilians dead
holocaust -6 million civilians dead
oh, but not doubt you are one of those who believe that 6 million Palestinians were killed at Jenin
and 20 Jews killed by the Nazi's.
and do youself a favor and don't respond to this by pulling out the tired "zionist" bullshit.. its very boring ... you've more than used up that scapegoating technique... try another
lets see Jenin -20 civilians dead
holocaust -6 million civilians dead
oh, but not doubt you are one of those who believe that 6 million Palestinians were killed at Jenin
and 20 Jews killed by the Nazi's.
and do youself a favor and don't respond to this by pulling out the tired "zionist" bullshit.. its very boring ... you've more than used up that scapegoating technique... try another
I specifically write in response to the comments by one Martthew Willis. This poor dick-less eunuch obviously was not loved by his mommy. The poor bastard can only spew the ugly hatred he learned from the rest of his uneducated bigoted uninformed moronic cohorts. I feel sorry for him. Yes, sorry for him, and I'll tell you why. This idiot would have been first on Hitlers list for extermination. Hitler "cleansed" his "perfect society of many percieved undesirables. And Matthew Willis would have gone to the gas chamber, lumped in with other humans of sub standard (or in his case, non-existant) intelligence. This poor idiot would have been rounded up, sodomized and been gassed to death. Now I'm not saying that this would be a bad thing. He clearly does not have any good reason to exist on this good earth. If only some of us could sit down with him and explain to him the error of his ways. Failing that, I would be satisfied to bash his soft head in with a baseball bat. I mean, what horrible things he thinks about the Jewish people. Is that all they taught him in kindergarten ? Obviously he matriculated no further than that. Please please, those of you who may know him, or if you visit him at the zoo, please let him know that Albert Einstein, Benjamin Disraeli, Woody Allen, Leonard Bernstein, Sandy Koufax, Baruch Spinoza, Judah P. Benjamin, Louis Brandeis, Mark Chagall, Bob Dylan,
and yes even Jesus of Nazareth, and many others who have contributed significantly are Jews. I weep for you Willis. I truly hope your rabid hatred will dissolve sometime before you die. Oh and please DON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, although I don't know how you could reproduce as we have established that you are without the needed equipment. Finally Willy...kiss my ass
and yes even Jesus of Nazareth, and many others who have contributed significantly are Jews. I weep for you Willis. I truly hope your rabid hatred will dissolve sometime before you die. Oh and please DON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, although I don't know how you could reproduce as we have established that you are without the needed equipment. Finally Willy...kiss my ass
Mr. Willis, like most posters of anti-semitism, is likely a Zionist advancing his agenda at the expense of Diaspora Jews.
Islam, muslim, whatz the difference? All their is to know about Palestinians is that all of them support TERRORISM. Israel - a beautiful country which has belong to the people of Israel since the start of time has been touched by the fiflthy hands of the greedy arabs of the world, which is rightfully ours of today.
The only thing arab people know what to do is to blow them selves up, i dont blame them actually because they are dirty people and if i was an arab, i would also kill myself. KILLING of innocent people is celebrated in thearab countries, HOW DISGUSTING!!!!
The only thing arab people know what to do is to blow them selves up, i dont blame them actually because they are dirty people and if i was an arab, i would also kill myself. KILLING of innocent people is celebrated in thearab countries, HOW DISGUSTING!!!!
What did Zionist terrorists do? Certainly not abstain from offing innocent people. Fuck all terrorism, especially racist killings. The current state of Israel is a BIGGER collective terrorist than any group of suicide bombers. Just look at the numbers of innocent Palestinians being killed.
gavin, what is it that Jews Celebrate in Purim a Pass over?
I`ll give you a hint,,, it has to do with Massive loss of LIVES.
I`ll give you a hint,,, it has to do with Massive loss of LIVES.
I agree with you that it is so much more moral for Isareli soldiers to go around indiscriminately demolishing Palestinian homes (the UN will give them tents, after all) , shooting into the crowds of those barbarian Palstinians, stealing more of their land for Jews (we're the Chosen Ones, don't they know?), dropping one-ton bombs on apartment buildings to get one of those terrorists leaders (Oy vay, so they killed another 150 Palestinians while they were at it, they'll just have more babies---you know how they have a high birth rate-- just like mowing the grass! It always grows back, unfortunately!), and all the rest. You're right, it's just disgusting that the barbarian Palestinians would get so mad as to blow themselves up killing innocent people (no wonder the innocent Israelis voted for Sharon with his most excellent record for massacring thousands of Palestinians! My hero! I sure hope he wins again!). Those Palestinians are such a nuisance, aren't they?! Let them eat Matzo Balls! They should just leave their land and let us have it! They are so unreasonable! There's just no way to reason with people who refuse to cooperate and just go somewhere else and let us Jews have their land for goodness sake! Haven't they heard of the Holocaust!?
1. When did Israel dropped a bomb that killed 150 Plaestinians ?
2., On the other hand: How many times did palestinian used sofisticated flachette type bombs that wounded 100s of Israelis and killed dozens ?
The answers:
1. Never
2. About every week there is a bomb packed with razor sharp metal objects that explodes destrying israeli buses, markets, shops, resturants. The bombs are guded to their target to achive maximum killing by the most accurate method possible: Fanatic Terrorists.
PS I bet you viwes on the situation are infulenced by the biased source of your information.
2., On the other hand: How many times did palestinian used sofisticated flachette type bombs that wounded 100s of Israelis and killed dozens ?
The answers:
1. Never
2. About every week there is a bomb packed with razor sharp metal objects that explodes destrying israeli buses, markets, shops, resturants. The bombs are guded to their target to achive maximum killing by the most accurate method possible: Fanatic Terrorists.
PS I bet you viwes on the situation are infulenced by the biased source of your information.
When??? Obviously you don't read the newspapers! It happened about 3 or 4 months ago when the IDF dropped a one-ton bomb on a Palestinian apartment building in the middle of the night all to "assassinate" a wanted Hamas leader, killing 150 or so at the same time and making hundreds homeless. Sharon called it a "great success"! I can understand you aversion to reading such news but you really must keep up with these things so that as an informed citizen you can demand an end to all US aid to racist, anti-democratic apartheid Israel now! Here are some helpful links for you to keep abreast of these issues: http://www.boycottisraeligoods.org and http://www.divest-from-israel-campaign.org. However, even in the SF Chronicle they printed the article about the one-ton bomb that the IDF dropped on the Palestinian apartment building in the middle of the night!!!
You also should read up on the "Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict" at http://www.cactus48.com. It's written by the Jews for Justice in the Middle East, and it is mandatory reading for any serious student of this most critical conflict that is threatening to drag the world into WWIII.
You also should read up on the "Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict" at http://www.cactus48.com. It's written by the Jews for Justice in the Middle East, and it is mandatory reading for any serious student of this most critical conflict that is threatening to drag the world into WWIII.
To Ender, Zionist prefer using WW4. Can you tell me what the Big 3 was? I assume it was the creation of Israel but I'm just guessing.
1. As an Israeli jew who knows history let me tell you the web site you linked too is full of lies.
2. Israel did not killed 150 palestinians. Israel did the very irosponsible (and in my view criminal) of using a bomb to kill the a mjor terrorist - with him 15 people were killed. This was a mistake and i wish Sharon would face criminal charges for it.
3. On the other hand every week or so the palestinians delibratly killing Israeli civilians. Sometimes hundreds are wounded and 20-30 are murdered.
So let's compare:
You manipulate the numbers to make ONE Israeli act to look so bad while the real data is that Palestinians are actually killing more Israeli civilinas. (please stop using the false count in which every palestinian who does not ware uniform is counted as civilian - most of the so called civilians are memebers of Hammas, Jihad or al-aksa.
2. Israel did not killed 150 palestinians. Israel did the very irosponsible (and in my view criminal) of using a bomb to kill the a mjor terrorist - with him 15 people were killed. This was a mistake and i wish Sharon would face criminal charges for it.
3. On the other hand every week or so the palestinians delibratly killing Israeli civilians. Sometimes hundreds are wounded and 20-30 are murdered.
So let's compare:
You manipulate the numbers to make ONE Israeli act to look so bad while the real data is that Palestinians are actually killing more Israeli civilinas. (please stop using the false count in which every palestinian who does not ware uniform is counted as civilian - most of the so called civilians are memebers of Hammas, Jihad or al-aksa.
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