WAY TO GO UC BERKELEY!!

Berkeley, I am sad to say that I am in anyway associated with you. Your anti-semetic rhetoric makes me realize on Holocaust Rememberance Day that yes, it can happen again. With biggots and racists such as in SJP, it is obvious that the extermination of the Jews is still their policy. Sure, they will tell you that there are Jews in SJP. This makes it even worse. Jews helping to advocate their own distruction. Ward Connerly is an African-American but he does not speak for many blacks in this country. Simillarly, the few Jews in SJP do not represent what most Jews think. Most Jews do not want to see another Holocaust.

of Jews.

Please spell similarly correctly in the future. If you would read more, you would not have so much trouble with spelling.

I suggest you read Ralph Schoenman's "The Hidden History of Zionism" at
balkanunity.org/mideast/english/zionism/index.htm
and "Zionism in the Age of Dictators" by Lenni Brenner (1983: Lawrence Hill, Connecticut). You will learn the history of Zionists as Nazi collaborators.

To this arrogant UC Zionist student: The overwhelming majority of the Jewish community opposes Zionists like you, who want to murder Palestinians with our tax dollars. Most American Jews are atheists of Jewish descent, including this writer, and we do not want anything to do with filthy rich parasites like you. Many of us, including myself, come from Holocaust families. We remember both the Holocaust and Deir Yassin. I am happy to hear that there are still some decent students at UC who remember both horrors. I had heard that UC was fast becoming what it was before the Vietnam War: a bastion of fascism.

I remind all UC students that your school is a public school, paid for with the blood, sweat and tears of us workers. The arrogance of these Zionists against Arabs is also an anti-labor arrogance. I have witnessed it on the job. What utter swine these Zionists are.

New York, N.Y., November 16, 2001 ... The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today said it was "extremely distressed" about one-sided anti-Israel programming on WBAI FM 99.5, a member of the Pacifica Radio Network. For two straight days of programming, the station featured all-day anti-Israel tirades from its guests, including Ralph Schoenman.

In a letter to Diabel Faye, WBAI Director of Public Affairs, Joel J. Levy, ADL New York Regional Director, said:

We are extremely distressed by the nature of your on-air fundraising on November 6th and 7th which featured one-sided and unbalanced programming concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

While ADL stands behind the First Amendment protection of freedom of speech and the press, the all-day, unabashed anti-Israel tirade expressed by the radio's guests, in particular Ralph Schoenman, was extremely troubling. Mr. Schoenman's comments misrepresented historical events, providing uneven and inaccurate explanations that at times bordered on anti-Semitism.

Far more troubling, however, is the failure of the station to provide balance or perspective by airing other points of view. As a radio station whose ideal has long been to give a voice to all opinions, the station provided only one side of the conflict in the Middle East, denying listeners the opportunity to form an educated opinion.

WBAI has engaged in this type of on-air intolerance concerning Jews and the State of Israel for many years. We would hope that in the post-September 11th atmosphere you would sincerely look to create an environment of understanding and tolerance, rather than airing propaganda that could lead to more bigotry

where in those demonstrations did you see any anti-semitism?? your paranoia and false accusations do not deter us from fighting for justice for the palestinian people. your smear tactics and inappropriate use of the anti-semitic card do not in any way deflect from the real racism and terrorism being waged against an occupied people.

no one here advocates anti-semitism and if it occurs, we will stand with you. but in the meantime please do not slander activists who are fighting for justice.

'nuff said!!

End the Occupation
No more US Aid to Israel
Land Liberty and Freedom for Palestinians

when a jewish protestor spoke out against israel and began to recite the jewish prayer of mourning to remember those who have perished at the hand of the occupation, and in the nazi holocaust, and any other who has passed away, it was only the zionists who shouted and booed. if it was really about being jewish, couldn't the zionists even respect the prayer for millions dead, jewish, arab and other??
this was the grossest display of a political ideology (zionism) trying to coopt a religion for political usage, and deny that religion to a person of conscience who actually believes that judaism contradicts the israeli atrocities.
wake up, being pro-palestinian is not anti-semitic

Your actions today are an inspiration to us all. Next year in a free Jerusalem!

The Anti-Defamation League is a well-known spy organization. Their cover was blown in 1993 in San Francisco and we now have the list of organizations that the ADL investigates. It is clear that they use their exposes of rightwing outfits, which people known are fascists anyhow, to witchhunt anyone who questions anything about Israel. They even had a "pinko" list for socialist organizations. These are the same swine who supported the murder of the Rosenbergs and imprisonment of Morton Sobell by the anti-Semitic US government for the contrived charge of conspiracy to commit atomic espionage, of which they were innocent. These same fasicst swine also supported the anti-communist withhunts of the 1940s-50s. They represent the capitalist class and do its bidding.

"where in those demonstrations did you see any anti-semitism?? "

the desire for the dissolvement of the state if israel is, in the eyes of many, anti-semitic. you need to recognize that there are many, many who feel this way.

Susan,

Not a single anti-Jewish chant was offered up by the crowd. "Just like South Africa", "Bush, Sharon, you can't hide, we charge you with genocide", "Free, Free Palestine" and "Hey Hey Ho Ho, the occupation has got to go!": that is what was said.

Maybe it is your own racism which you have projected onto the crowd? Why would Jewish people join in the demo if we were bashing them?

And another thing: how many non-Jews were with the Pro-Israeli contigent at the protest? ZERO!!! NONE!!! Not a single one! No people of color, no children, no senior citizens, no people with disabilities.

On the other hand, the Pro-Palestinian march was the most spectacular example of diversity I have personally ever witnessed. Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, atheists, agnostics and many others were there to support Palestinian freedom and self-determination.

Where was the diversity in the Pro-Israeli side?

"And another thing: how many non-Jews were with the Pro-Israeli contigent at the protest? ZERO!!! NONE!!! Not a single one! "

How could you tell? Was it because they all had big noses? Maybe you heard them all comment on how they only buy things "wholesale".

There were many non-Jewish people who joined the small but peaceful prescence on the steps of wheeler, including a couple who helped hold the large "Israel Wants Peace" banner.

What makes me curious is how one tells the difference between a Jew and a non-Jew for the purposes of posting on this thread. Racist is as Racist does

The fact is that SJP has always had a policy against violence and racial hatred and it was enfored at the rally. SJP security's goal was to prevent any attacks from happening and remove any signs etc. that promoted anti-semitism or other hate. We are very committed that this movement remain non-violent and respectful, as can be seen now by its actions and the diversity of its members. We are taking part in a vigil this friday for all victims of hate crimes. Unfortunately, there are some people who's only goal is to make us look bad. Please make sure you are getting the facts straight.

I was there and I saw the signs with swastikas. I saw the screaming students. I saw the hatred of the PLO sympathizers. I saw the cowardly collaborators. PLO sympathizers screamed and shouted down anyone who dared speak of Holocaust Remembrance day. PLO sympathizers yelled horrible hate-filled things that made me sick to my stomach. It was like Germany in the 1930s. It was truly a horrible site and I am ashamed to be a UC Berkeley faculty member.

For anyone who knows the regions geography and history, the nightly news bulletins are a torture to watch, with their sloppy editorializing about "peace" and their depiction of Arab and Israeli as squabbling children in need of a clip round the ear from wise Western statesmen...

In normal life, it is a sign of being unhinged if you do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result. But in the business of Middle East diplomacy such behavior could earn you a Nobel Peace Prize. Since 1978, Israel has been urged to give up a little more land in return for the promise of peace which always seems to evaporate. The land however is gone for good.

America a vast territorial empire with harmless neighbors to north and south, and vast oceans to east and west urges Israel, one-third the size of Florida and with foes on every hand, to give up "land for peace." So does Britain, a secure island entirely surrounded by deep water and with no obvious enemies in sight."Land for peace" is actually another way of describing the appeasement forced on Czechoslovakia by her supposed friends in 1938.

The phrase "land for peace" is interesting in itself. It is actually another way of describing the appeasement forced on Czechoslovakia by her supposed friends in 1938. This was also supposed to promised peace, but made the country impossible to defend and opened the gates for invasion a few months later. Those responsible for this cowardly stupidity are still reviled 60 years on. Those who urge it on Israel in the present day are praised.

Israel and territories would fit comfortably within the borders of England with plenty of room to spare, and then look at the absurd shape of it. Any general asked to defend such a country would groan with despair. At one point, between Qalqilya and the Mediterranean, it is so narrow that a tank could cross it in 18 minutes and a jet bomber in 18 seconds. Its only international airport is within easy rocket range of potentially hostile territory. So are its capital and its principal highway. It is worth mentioning that it is also within missile range of Iran and Iraq, not far over the eastern horizon, and that Iraq and Iran agree on only one thing -- their loathing of Israel. Within living memory it has three times been the target of invasions from its neighbors, in 1948, 1967, and 1973. During the Gulf War it was bombarded with Iraqi Scud missiles. You might pardon its inhabitants for being a little nervous about their security.

The astounding thing is that so many Israelis, despite this danger, have sought peace treaties with their neighbors based on a trust they have no reason to feel. Almost the entire Israeli media, the country's largest political party, most of its authors, academics and artists, campaign constantly for their own state to make risky concessions to its enemies. Even its conservative leaders have made such concessions, especially by handing back the Sinai desert with its valuable oil and strategically vital territory to the Egypt in 1978. The last left wing premier Ehud Barak was prepared to present half of Jerusalem to Arab control two years ago. He was turned down.

He also sought to give back the Golan Heights to Syria but was rebuffed. This militarily vital piece of ground was originally part of the League of Nations mandate of Palestine when its borders were fixed in 1920. It was then handed over to Britain in a deal with the French, who controlled Syria in 1923. Israel captured in bloody fighting in 1967.

In the same year Israel conquered the famous "Occupied Territories" which are now supposed to be turned into a Palestinian state alongside Israel. You might think Israel had seized them illegally from heir rightful owner. In fact this is not true. They were grabbed by armed force along with the eastern and most holy part of Jerusalem then known as Transjordan in 1948. Transjordan ethnically cleansed all Jews from this land and from its sector of Jerusalem, and promptly renamed itself Jordan. During the 19 years of Jordanian rule, the area was never described as "Occupied Territory."

At that time there were also no demands for independence from the Palestinian people. The Gaza strip was gobbled up by Egypt in the same year, to a chorus of silence from the world protest industry.

Israel has many blots on its past and is not a perfect society... During the 1948 war there is little doubt that the Israelis drove some Arabs from their homes, though the Arab radio stations were also urging them to flee to give the Arab invading armies a clear run in their invasion.

But it is not some kind of crude oppressor. Would you know from the BBC that Israel has a million Arab citizens with full civil and voting rights, except that they do not have to serve in the army? This arrangement is far from perfect and in recent years relations have grown worse, but no Arab country gives such rights to Jews, if it even permits them to live within its borders.Why are the "refugees" still there?

Then there are the "refugees" in these squalid townships. Why are they still there? About 650,000 Arab fled from what is now Israel in 1948. There are now about five million officially classified refugees. More than £1.5 billion has been spent by the UN on housing and feeding them, mainly provided by Western nations. Most of the Arab states refuse to grant them citizenship or to pay towards their maintenance. They have a political interest in preventing this weeping sore from ever healing, since the refugees' plight is excellent anti-Israel propaganda. They still promote the idea that they may one day return to their lost homes. For if they did so, Israel would cease to exist, its Jews a minority in an Arab state.

Compare the Palestinians with the 12 million Germans expelled from Poland, Czechoslovakia, Russia, Hungary and Romania after World War Two. All have long since been absorbed into Germany and few seriously dream of returning to their lost homes. This often bloody transfer of population was done with the approval of the great powers of the day, and is now largely forgotten. Or compare them with the 14 million caught in the wrong place in the bloody India-Pakistan partition of 1947. Nearly 8 million Hindus fled from Pakistan and 6 million Moslems streamed out of India. None of them is still in a refugee camp, nor are the 900,000 Jews driven often with great brutality and persecution from Arab countries after the foundation of the State of Israel, most of whom settled in Israel.

Yet none of the supposed efforts for "peace" has managed to achieve the civilized resettlement in Arab countries of these refugees. Why not, since they share a common religion, language and culture with the whole of the vast Arab world, and might surely have benefited from some of the vast Arab oil wealth.

The reason is that most of the West has lazily accepted the TV news idea that this is a squabble between people who are equally misguided. It has swallowed the Palestinian claim that they are the oppressed. Yet Jewish Israel occupies only a tiny part of the Arab and Muslim Middle East. They have ignored the simple that if Israel is to survive to needs sensible borders. At the moment it would rather have a frontier which is defensible and unrecognized than one which is recognized but cannot be depended.

We are supposed to engage in a war against Terrorism, here is a great opportunity to defeat and finish terrorism in one of its greatest bases. If peace is what the Arab world wants, America is now in a unique position to arrange it. Her military and diplomatic power is at its zenith. Instead of asking Israel to give land for peace, why do we not ask the Arabs who have so much more land so give some of theirs, so that Israel's borders are no longer an invitation to invasion.

At the same the time we could end the grievance which has kept this useless conflict alive, a new Marshall plan could resettle the refugees in a couple of years throughout the area in peace and comfort. Their politically impossible "right to return" could be bargained away forever. The Arab world needs to understand that no amount of threats, terror, will shift Western World from its defense of Israel's right to exist, it must stop using anti-Israel feeling as a safety valve for the discontent in its own mismanaged societies, whose despotism and squalor and brutality rarely if ever feature in the TV news bulletins.

You lie. No such happened.

You are right. The group was amazingly diverse. I was there, too and I, too was so impressed by the demonstrators. The people who were arrested were committed to the idea for which they protested. Whether you agree with the issue or not one cannot deny that the crowd was diverse and well organized.

I was there and I am pro-palestinian and there was unfortunately one large banner with a swastika on it. that was really stupid on the part of the group that marched with it. And then it was on the evening news!!! that sort of thing does not help our cause, to say that Jews are committing a holocaust like the nazis did. It was really stupid.

No such thing happened.