SFPD Officers Out of Hunters Point! (Protest Info)

"As I began to step out of my car, the police had guns drawn and were on the loudspeaker. The first words I heard were, “Driver step out of the vehicle.”

I screamed at the police and told them they were making a mistake because those were kids. He ignored me. I started screaming towards my build-ing, saying somebody go and get Janell’s mother because the police are about to shoot her.

I told my son to get in the back seat of my car and lie down across the floor. I figured if the police tried to shoot us, my son would be protected by me because I was blocking the rear door with my body. I was still screaming for my neighbor, Inell Manuel, to come outside. "

After reading this I have a few suggestions for avoiding this type of event in the future:

1. Don't scream at the police when they are doing their job and asking you to do something to help preserve safety.

2. Don't tell your child to do something other than what the police are asking-- particularly in a tense situation where guns are drawn and the police are issuing commands to protect everyone involved.

Obviously the police were informed by a neighbor that the kids in the car were in possession of a gun. If you simply and calmly follow instructions instead of screaming and ordering people to disobey the police, tensions don't escalate and stuff like this doesn't happen.

I feel bad for those police officers who believed their lives were in danger and then had people screaming and running around telling them "they were wrong"-- all while they were worried about getting shot by a kid, because they were simply responding to a 911 call about a gun in the neiborhood.

If they don't want the SFPD to patrol the neighborhood, then the SFPD shouldn't. Stop patroling. Leave the neighborhood susceptible to criminals. When the same people start crying about the crime in the streets, point out they got what they wanted. Then, if they want the SFPD back, the SFPD can explain how it's going to be. If that's unacceptable, the SFPD bids them good luck and leaves.

Won't happen though. Too reasonable.

to lu cie: so if you don't like the gangs you've got, you must have the official gang in blue? How about having police that are accountable? Is that so much to ask for?

lu cie has completely mischaracterized the issues.

Further, lu cie uses these mischaracterizations to argue in favor of a police state.

1. Persons who demand that all police officers must obey the laws of California and the United States Constitution are NOT being unreasonable. On the contrary, they are behaving as dedicated, responsible citizens and have an absolute right of equal protection under the laws. Such persons are not troublemakers, they are patriots.

2. On the other hand, when persons support and attempt to justify criminal behavior on the part of police officers, they are explicitly supporting the subversion of state and federal laws, and of the Constitution itself.

From the reports I've read, the actions of those officers include multiple counts of each of the following:
Aggravated assault & battery (upon a child, a felony);
Posession/use of a firearm during the commission of a felony (a sentence aggravator/enhancement);
Racially-motivated violence (hate crimes, state felony);
Racially-motivated violence (hate crimes, federal felony);
Various Constitutional deprivations, including Equal Protection, which could potentially expose the police department and the city/county of SF to extensive civil liability, particularly where it can be shown that those actions were encouraged, tolerated, supported, rewarded, and/or that the officers were knowingly protected/shielded from exposure, scrutiny, or prosecution.

3. lu cie proposes that if "they" want the police to stop attacking their children and instead do their jobs, then "the SFPD can explain how it's going to be." (Which apparently includes random intimidation and beating of children.) In other words, if residents want any sort of police protection, they should be willing to give up their civil rights. If they want the police to stop violating their civil rights, they should be willing to give up their civil rights. And if they are not willing to give up their civil rights, then the police will just continue to violate their civil rights.

lu cie supports a police state.

A police state which includes racially-motivated terrorism.

I wouldn't mind seeing these officers fired from their jobs; charged by the District Attorney with multiple felony counts; and then taking the whole thing to trial.

Won't happen though. Too reasonable.

Peace with Justice,
Mr. Normal

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"It is no accident, after all, that the agencies of criminal justice and law enforcement are those first seized by an emerging totalitarian regime."
- Francis Allen, 1959

Any day that such behavior can exist! It is the day we need to remember how the KKK existed. Fear! Are we allowing their behavior to put fear in us. I am a strong believer in Judeo-Christian ethic. On the other hand, what goes around comes around. May they die quietly! Take comfort in the fact, they will not be returning. There is not enough cloning that can bring that type of creature back.

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The Bayview Hunters Point Station seems to be the breeding grounds for bad police offices dating back to the early 90's. Officers that are displaced from other area's for misconduct are place in the Bayview Hunters Point Station. They place them in a community where they feel the community will not speak up for justice due to the fear for there safety. My son was murder on December 31, 2000 one of the officersat the scene told one of the by standers there if that's your friend you better give him mouth to mouth to see if you can save his life because I don't care if you all kill yourselfs. One witness gave one of the officers a discriptions of the people involved and the details of what they saw this information was not transferred to the Homicide Division for days until I asked them about the eye witness and they contacted the Bayview Station. Many of the Black Officers have too many personal ties with the young ladies in the Hunters Point district which cause them to put blinders up when it comes to crimes commented by there friends and or family members. If you drive around the Bayview district on any given day you will find some police car parked in front of some young ladies house for hours at a time when they are suppose to be on duty they are socializing with these young ladies. I was verbally attached in the halls of 850 Bryant by one of the Inspectors for written a letter to Chief Lau ( which I never got a response to) regarding my concerns that this office had personal ties ( as the officer stated 15 years they have been friends) to a suspect in my sons murder and would this be a confict of interest for him to continue to work on this case. The police in San Francisco do what they want to do and how they want to do it. Justice means just for them.

MOTHER OF MURDER SON
by CATHERINE TYSON • Wednesday March 13, 2002 at 08:49 AM

The Bayview Hunters Point Station seems to be the breeding grounds for bad police officers dating back to the early 90's. Officers which are displaced from other areas for misconduct are place in the Bayview Hunters Point Station. They place them in a community where they feel the community will not speak up for justice due to the fear for their safety. My son was murdered on December 31, 2000. One of the officers at the scene told one of the by-standers there, “If that's your friend, you better give him mouth to mouth to see if you can save his life, because I don't care if you all kill yourselves.” One witness gave one of the officers a description of the people involved and the details that they saw. This information was not transferred to the Homicide Division for days. I finally asked them about the eyewitness and they contacted the Bayview Station. Many of the Black Officers have too many personal ties with the young ladies in the Hunters Point district which causes them to put blinders up when it comes to crimes committed by their friends and/or family members. If you drive around the Bayview district on any given day, you will find police cars parked in front of young ladies houses for hours at a time. When they are supposed to be on duty, they are socializing with these young ladies. I was verbally attacked in the halls of 850 Bryant by one of the Inspectors for writing a letter to Chief Lau (to which I never got a response) regarding my concerns that this officer had personal ties (as the officer stated, they have been friends for 15 years) to a suspect in my sons murder, and asked if this would be a conflict of interest for him to continue to work on this case. The police in San Francisco do what they want to do and how they want to do it. Justice means just for them.


Damn Nigger, learn to spell and use correct punctuation. It’s nice to know you monkeys will still hop in bed and fuck each other at the drop of a hat, in this case a policeman’s hat. And you call these girls "ladies".

The Bayview Hunters Point Station seems to be the breeding grounds for bad police offices dating back to the early 90's. Officers that are displaced from other area's for misconduct are place in the Bayview Hunters Point Station. They place them in a community where they feel the community will not speak up for justice due to the fear for there safety. My son was murder on December 31, 2000 one of the officersat the scene told one of the by standers there if that's your friend you better give him mouth to mouth to see if you can save his life because I don't care if you all kill yourselfs. One witness gave one of the officers a discriptions of the people involved and the details of what they saw this information was not transferred to the Homicide Division for days until I asked them about the eye witness and they contacted the Bayview Station. Many of the Black Officers have too many personal ties with the young ladies in the Hunters Point district which cause them to put blinders up when it comes to crimes commented by there friends and or family members. If you drive around the Bayview district on any given day you will find some police car parked in front of some young ladies house for hours at a time when they are suppose to be on duty they are socializing with these young ladies. I was verbally attached in the halls of 850 Bryant by one of the Inspectors for written a letter to Chief Lau ( which I never got a response to) regarding my concerns that this office had personal ties ( as the officer stated 15 years they have been friends) to a suspect in my sons murder and would this be a confict of interest for him to continue to work on this case. The police in San Francisco do what they want to do and how they want to do it. Justice means just for them.