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Anti-Arab/Muslim Racism in America
Equating terrorism in any way with Arabs or Muslims or any race or religion is ignorant racism.
Unless the whole world is irrational, it is only logical that terrorism against Americans should come from people in countries that have been the most oppressed by our foreign policies.
Since hundred of thousands of Arabs and Muslims have been killed as a results of American bombs and sanctions and other kinds of terrorism, it is only natural that terrorism should come from such countries. The only kind of leadership we support in the Arab/Muslim world is the kind that is repressive to its own people--and we do all we can to deny democracy to people in such countries. All Arabs/Muslim countries with strong, independent of U.S. leadership, are automatically demonized by American politicians.
We do not dare allow Arab/Muslim people to have freedom and democracy, because we can’t control the free will of such free people, and such governments. We do not like unlimited freedom.
If we were to kill with bombs and sanctions, tens of thousands in Jewish or Christian countries, we would expect terrorism from such countries. If we are not happy with the current brand of terrorism, now directed at the U.S., the remedy is simple. Bomb Israel and England and quit bombing Arab/Muslim countries. We would then get terrorism only from the Israelis and British and the problem would be solve and this would make many happy, I guess.
This whole thing about terrorism in 2002, has little relevance to race or religion. When people and their loved ones get hurt, the reaction against the perpetrators does not have a damn thing to do with religion or race. It’s a universal, common sense behavior.
Muslims are no different than the rest of us It is all so simple and logical, when we take racism out of our thinking.
Peace
Since hundred of thousands of Arabs and Muslims have been killed as a results of American bombs and sanctions and other kinds of terrorism, it is only natural that terrorism should come from such countries. The only kind of leadership we support in the Arab/Muslim world is the kind that is repressive to its own people--and we do all we can to deny democracy to people in such countries. All Arabs/Muslim countries with strong, independent of U.S. leadership, are automatically demonized by American politicians.
We do not dare allow Arab/Muslim people to have freedom and democracy, because we can’t control the free will of such free people, and such governments. We do not like unlimited freedom.
If we were to kill with bombs and sanctions, tens of thousands in Jewish or Christian countries, we would expect terrorism from such countries. If we are not happy with the current brand of terrorism, now directed at the U.S., the remedy is simple. Bomb Israel and England and quit bombing Arab/Muslim countries. We would then get terrorism only from the Israelis and British and the problem would be solve and this would make many happy, I guess.
This whole thing about terrorism in 2002, has little relevance to race or religion. When people and their loved ones get hurt, the reaction against the perpetrators does not have a damn thing to do with religion or race. It’s a universal, common sense behavior.
Muslims are no different than the rest of us It is all so simple and logical, when we take racism out of our thinking.
Peace
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I bet it is the US fault that women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive. All those men there, they really want the women to be able to be free, but George W called and said, "Sorry boys, keep 'em down!"
hehehe
THe US has bombed and killed asians and south americans and american blacks and african blacks in large numbers. Yet the type of terrorism that comes from the mideast - and is directed not just at the US but at Europe and Singapore, has not appeared.
Don't you accept that mayber, just maybe different value systems and cultures can produce different reactions?
to reduce the slamming of planes full of innocent people into buildings full of innocent people to a simple "gosh, people are people and if you push anyone..." is well, mind boggling.
I thought many of your earlier posts were reasoned and sensible but this simplistic reduction of mid east terrorism doesn't sell.
I think you mistook my point. Sorry if I was not clear enough.
If your re read the post you'll see that it was about reaction to US actions, not about US actions itself.
I emphasized that the US committed terror. My point was that the Latin American citizens did not react the way Karen stated the middle east did.
Her point was that the middle east reaction to US terrorism is normal. My point is, and I still hold to it, is that historically, that has not been the case. There has not been a wave of similiar terrorist attacks from Latin Americans or Africans.
I'm not talking moral relativism. I'm talking about differences shown by history. No morality discussion intended at all.
samson also has no rational response. He chooses to smear those in the anti-war movement by creating a phony, despicable quote that completely distort the article. What integrity.
Only a warmonger intent on propaganda could write that “people are people and if you push and if you push anyone...” and then shamelessly attribute these words to war critics.
By the way, terrorism proper was invented in Russia in the 19th century by anarchists. It was called Propaganda of the Deed. It was a fiasco there, as it has been for the Arabs.
But don't think Muslims have any special relationship - see the IRA, ETA, US anarchists way back when, the Weatherman, the german Red Army Faction, etc.
Not too mention the terrorists of the right who just have better munitions. Aircraft carriers vs. pipe bombs? Means aren't method.
Either I'm not being clear or I'm reading Karen's response wrong.
Her thesis is stated in the title: "Equating terrorism in any way with Arabs or Muslims or any race or religion is ignorant racism."
One of her key points was that Arabs are reacting to US terrorism just like anyone else would.
This is not a pro or anti war thread as I see it.
My point is that whether Arab terrorism is justified or not, it is not a reaction common world wide and that many victims of "government terrorism" have not resorted to "Arab style terrorism."
Do you disagree with this thought? I cetainly don't see at all where I was smearing the antiwar movement. I think Burningman's response was more reasoned and rational and he has some good counters.
By the way Rene, don't always assume its a "He" writing. I'm a "Her". Do I have to sign Samdaughter?
Please, terrorism, the killing of unarmed civilians is never justified legally or morally. The only difference in government terrorism and non-governmental terrorism are the weapons used.
Government or what I call military terrorism, also called high-tech terrorism, uses fighter planes, tanks, guided missiles, nuclear weapons, etc. On the other hand, the terrorism that gets all the bad press uses, also called low-tech terrorism, uses stones, rifles, and dynamite, knives and that kind of stuff.
Needles to say, military terrorism is much more effective at killing large number of people. When people are killed by high-tech terrorism, and live pictures are banned or are not available, many people seem to think it’s no big deal--that is a triumph of governmental propaganda all over the world.
Peace.
Please re read Karen's post and my post.
I agree with you. I believe that the paraphrase (its not a quote) accurately sums up her thesis which is:
Muslims are no differant than anyone else in their terrorist reactin.
I've re read her post and I think this is an accurate summary of her stated stand.
The post did not discuss state sponsored terrorism, just terrorism as a response to other terrorism.
I do not agree with her. I tried to make that clear in my posts.
I don't think alll people react to violence with terrorsm historically. I don't think they should or that they did. I think we both agree with each other.
No. The U.S. does not support: Iraq, Iran, Uganda, Rwanda, Benin, Cambodia, Laos, North Korea, Algeria, Cuba, Lebanon, Syria, Zimbabwe, Mynamar, Congo, or Eitreria
read your holy book muslims. whether you know it or not you are all terrorists. read that fucking piece of shit. ive never raised a fist against anyone, and yet because i dont believe in your mickey mouse bullshit religion, i'm an infidel and you must kill me. all religion is ignorance but apparently only islam openly insists on global death and suffering.
its good to know now that when a foolish muslim raises a fist, it will be shot off. finally some justice for the incestuous followers of that particular evil book.