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Spolied Brat Terrorists

by fred freedom
Like manly anti-globalists, the 9/11 terrorists were spoiled college brats. Could you be the next mass murderer>
So you're a white American college student anarchist, devoutly believing in anti-globalism. You are willing to go out onto the streets and push the limits of the law to express your views. Your rich daddy is upset! You go online and complain about globalism with your other privileged Internet-using buddies.

You may have more in common with the 9/11 terrorists than you think. Could you be the next mass murderer?

Most of the hijackers in the terrorist attacks on America were recruited from wealthy Saudi families. Rather than being hired "muscle" or terrorists posing as Saudis with false identities, as previously thought, investigations have revealed a privileged and elite group.

Not only that, Saudi Arabia itself is a privileged and elite Muslim country. It is awash in petroleum, linked by fiber optics, and dotted with shopping malls, McDonald's, Pizza Hut, and Starbucks. The country has a GDP per capita of over $10,000, compared with Algeria ($5,500), Bangladesh ($1570), Djibouti ($1300), Sudan ($1000), or Afghanistan ($800).

Fifteen of the 19 hijackers are now known to be Saudis, including the brother of a police commander, the son of a tribal chief, two teachers and three law graduates.

Well-educated, intelligent and in their mid-twenties, many of them had a history of making trips both to other countries, including Germany, America and Afghanistan.

Mohammed Atta, 33, who the FBI said was on the first plane to hit the World Trade Center, was an architect and has been described as a 'model student' at Hamburg's Technical University.

Ziad Jarrah, 26, who was aboard the United Airlines plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, was a student at the University of Applied Sciences in Hamburg where he studied aeronautical engineering.

Marwan Al-Shehhi, 23, identified by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation as a hijacker on the United Airlines plane that hit the south tower of the World Trade Centre, studied in a German-language program at the University of Bonn under the name Marwan Lekrab.

One hijacker now identified as a ringleader on September 11 is Nawaf al-Hamzi, who sat in seat 5F of American Airlines flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. Al-Hamzi, according to local sources, is the brother of a police chief from the coastal town of Jizan, in southwest Saudi Arabia. Talk about being "the man!"

Hani Hanjour, a trained commercial airline pilot and the son of a wealthy businessman from Ti'af, 50 miles east of Mecca, was also on the flight, as was Majed Moqed, a law student at the King Saud University in Riyadh.

A former college room-mate of Moqed was Satam al-Suqami, a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11, which crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center. Also a law student at the King Saud University, he was from a northern Saudi province.

Brothers Waleed and Wail al-Shehri, also on the same flight, came from Khamis Mushayt, east of Abha. Described by friends as "peaceful and devout", Wail had graduated from an institute of teachers. Where did their non-violence go?

Ahmed al-Nami, a hijacker on board United Airlines flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania, was identified last week as another law student, trained at the King Khaled University Law school in Abha.

These terrorists were not your average Muslim. They were not "the other." They were not the "starving masses." They didn't even come from a country with "starving masses."

They were just like you, spoiled college brats, caught up in a deadly combination of "rich man's guilt" and religious fervor.

If you believe too strongly in your cause, you may end up just like them.
by chp
there is absolutely no logic to your reasoning. You are claiming that left wing students are likely to suddenly become murderers because some extremely right wing, religious saudi arabians from wealthy backgrounds were murderers - and the one link between these two groups is that they both have strong opinions? They don't even share the same opinion.
There have been quite a few murderers throughout history, and many more people who killed within the context of being a soldier in an army that was fighting on a bad side. All of these people had various characteristics, and there are very few characteristics that all of them have in common. There are murderers who had strong beliefs, and there are murderers who were stupid and had no beliefs, and there are murderers who were fairly moderate and motivated by greed or money. There are lots of soldiers who were too scared to resist the draft - in 1930s germany, the US Vietnam war etc.
In any case, you could find a murderer who had a characteristic which would match a characteristic of anyone alive.
by fred freedom
Boy, you're mad! Often the truth hurts.

Does left and right wing really matter when you are killing people for a religion (be it supernatural, economic, or political)?

For that matter, can you say Al-Qaeda is truly right wing? Those Al Qaeda guys don't believe in big money capitalism (their daddies might though). They rejected it for the life of ascetic activism. OBL lived in a cave...they though American consumer capitalism made us weak.

Al Qaeda members are true believers in Islam's strong charitable redistribtuion system (2.5% of income and assets must go to charity). Infact, much of Al Qaeda money was funneled through Islamic charities. Islam also denies interest on loans, which is a killer to capitalism. Islam does protect private property, but evidently these guys didn't mind destroying billions of dollars of it, did they.

Read Osama Bin Laden's Fatwas, they sound like they could be on IndyMedia...

"The Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there."

"for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples"

Anti-Israel, anti-globalism, anti-military....
by Huey Freeman
"In this time of war against Osama bin Laden and the oppressive Taliban regime, we are thankful that OUR leader isn't the spoiled son of a powerful politician from a wealthy oil family who is supported by religious fundamentalists, operates through clandestine organizations, has no respect for the democratic electoral process, bombs innocents, and uses war to deny people their civil liberties."
by Jesse
Well thats not true. I oppose the war and am far from rich. Unless you count my gross income of 20,000 last year as being proof of the antiwar protesters "wealth". Sure, they're are alot of spoiled rich and middle class kids against the war. But they're are also ALOT more rich and middle class college students FOR the war. So whatever point you attempted to make is moot anyhow.
by chp
that post doesn't have any sort of angry or irate tone. That sounds like a pre-prepared response that couldn't even have been composed as a response to what I wrote. Are you having a conversation with yourself... making up in your own head what you think everyone else on indymedia thinks, and what their demographics are?

And... no Osama bin Laden's fatwas don't resemble posts on indymedia, and .. it is no true that Osama bin Laden is anti-military.
What you're doing is choosing the mildest connections between groups and concluding that that makes them equivalent. Seriously, you could take any two people under the sun, who disagree on almost everything, and you could still find a couple things that they have in common. Take your statement that al Qaeda and the assorted people who in the pro-democracy movement( often titled the 'antiglobalization' movement by the media who ignore the fuzzy and contradictory nature of this term given its int'l nature) are basically equivalent or highly similar groups of people because al Qaeda are very religious, and the democracy folks embrace something that is equivalent of religion in terms of their political beliefs (which is also a contention that I would disagree with. You have not caught on to the fact that most quote "antiglobalization" people strongly reject authoritarian dogmas like communism, and reject having gurus like marx or whoever). This idea is highly equivocal because about 85% of society is religious, and you claim that the rest probably have replacement religions involving politics or economics or new age. Indeed, almost everyone is religious and the claims about religious people being capable of going all al-Qaeda-esque on us would apply to everyone.
by annrkiss
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall inherit the earth...

Who wants peace
and who wants to own all the resources, all the people..who seeks power and who seeks peace

Remember the words of Black Elk!
by superfly
look out, everyone, anti-global capital politics are the gateway to slaughtering mass numbers of working people!! fred, you do amazing backflips of logic and reason! as though the wtc attacks can even be compared(if we may do such a sick thing for a minute) to the daily horrors of global capitalism. please fred, people fighting things like privatization of THEIR water by bechtel, lands taken and destroyed by oil companies, death squad thugs armed by the us to preserve the current oligarchy, put yourself there you asshole, and yes people in the rich countries shutting down the proceedings of those who engineer such living conditions around the world, your comparisons are stupid and you know it.
by Freedom Corps
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is that numbers of people all over the world have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience. . . . Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty. Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves, and all the while the grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem."

-Someone, but I forgot who
by johnk
The idea that only the people of a specific class have any right at all to affect changes for that class has some merit, but it's not a compelling argument. It's an argument for the status quo.

But, let's suppose the argument has merit. Let's take them to its logical conclusion.

The wealthy already have control over the lives of the poor. Maybe the wealthy should only be able to behave in ways that only affect other rich people, not poor people. They should only be allowed to employ rich people in their factories and offices.

Maybe only the poor should be able to agitate for their own liberation from poverty. From now on, we should privilege more of their actions as legitimate acts of liberation. From now on, stealing new cars from auto dealerships is legal, as long as you make less than $10,000 a year (in the USA) and cannot afford a car.

I admit it. I'm being extreme. Here's a counter example that really makes my point.

Let's say that only an oppressed minority has the right to demand equal rights. So, go back in time to 1955. Black are calling for civil rights. Only Blacks participate in the movement, and everyone else is rejected as illegitimate.

Being a minority, and having very little power, the Civil Rights movement fails. There's no new Civil Rights laws, because all the lawmakers are white. No middle class activists participate. Segregation persists. Nothing improves. Status quo.

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