Bush on Remote Controlled Planes (Sept. 27)

Here is another link to the "Home Run" site. Just in case the above link doesn't work.

......those hijackers just THOUGHT they were flying the plane but the Pentagon was really in charge, and the hijackers didn't say when they found out but just continued to pretend to passengers( who were on their cell phones) that they were hijacking the aircraft?

....so the only things on remote control are the brains of the fascists who wrote this trash.

...wrapping their fascist rhetoric in psuedo-leftist garb.

the planes that crashed were fitted with a special remote controller that were only used with these two model planes, boeing 737 and 757 (i think, right?) (a military contractor)

(here are lots of pages, by the way one of the pages is also urban legends) judging from the way this is going, even if they didn't steer the planes, they didn't prevent them from crashing either, and according to lots of reports they could have in many different ways!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,552793,00.html

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/briefings/space1201.htm


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/CuttingEdge/cuttingedge001215.html (note the company : Boeing)

http://www.landfield.com/isn/mail-archive/2001/Apr/0133.html
(again note the company : boeing)

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/01_46/b3757066.htm (again Boeing)

http://www.public-action.com/911/robotplane.html

http://www.orlingrabbe.com/lfctimes/operation911.htm

http://syninfo.com/ian/PRIVATE/2001/12/17/2001121719515892.html - this one is the best, there was another but i couldn't find it, maybe i'll have time to find it!

etc.etc.etc.etc. search for 911 boeing remote control plane and you will find too much information. welcome to the new world order

What are they "anti-semitic" for? You mean quotes like this:

"Every time we do something you [Shimon Peres] tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."

- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Prime Minister,
Knesset, Tel Aviv, October 3, 2001.

Drop the bullshit. They aren't being racist, they're exposing the lies of Israel's politicians and of the majority of the "good Jews" out there who support Israel's continued military assaults and conquering of the country of Palestine.

This isn't about racism, it's about the hypocritical evil of the Jewish government. Politicians are corrupt and evil in every culture and race, and there is copious evidence that Jews are no different.

An easy way to discredit information is to label it something that will turn people off to reading it.

Nice job Krondstadt!! Even if they are "anti-semitic", it doesn't change the fact that the WTC planes could have been remote-controlled. Why don't you look at the links posted by "q" to the global indymedia site.

Get lost troll!

You write: "Even if they are "anti-semitic", it doesn't change the fact that the WTC planes could have been remote-controlled."

How about:

"Even if Nazis are "anti-semitic," it doesn't change the fact that sun often shines in the summer and that snow often falls in the winter."

Anti-semitism is the socialism of fools, as the saying goes. And you a fool, whatever your "background."

Great analysis Krondstadt!

Just dismiss everything on the internet related to possible remote-controlled hijackings simply because one site that discusses it is alegedly "anti-semitic" (by your analysis--which doesn't mean much, if anything!!).

You are a troll because your belief in the legitimacy of the state is conducive to the brainwashed thinking demonstrated by many a police officer.

IF the poster of that article is "anti-semitic" just because the link they post as a source of information is allegedly "anti-semitic", I suppose they are also "patriots" and believers in the legitimacy of the American government simply because they have posted a link to the US embassy in Jakarta as a source of information!!

....they make statements like this:

. Of all the work I have seen on the Internet, the closest to the truth is probably this inspired report called "Orient Express" written by journalist Israel Shamir.

and this "inspired" report says:

Their identity is quite irrelevant for an extra reason: the Jewish elites already decided: it has to be Arabs.

Got it?

While admitedly this has no bearing on whether the planes that hit the WTC were guided by the government one cannot use Bush's statement to back that up. He said:

"We will INVEST in new technology for aircraft ecurity, with GRANTS TO DEVELOP transponders..."

If "we" already have them, "we" do not need to invent new ones.

Personally, I think the theory that the US Goverment was directly, completely and solely resposible for destroying the WTC whether by robot planes, cruise missiles, electro-magnatic can openers, space ships, ray guns, huge amounts of explosives in the basement or by smart bombs is silly and detracts from more serious issues.

I doubt the government can cover up such a huge (and there would have to be a very large number of people involved) conspiracy and the downside of a discovery is, well, pretty darn serious for those involved.

This Art Bell stuff should be left behind and attention focused on more logical possiblities - of which there are many.

you said it.

From Richard Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics (1964):

"A final characteristic of the paranoid style is related to the quality of its pedantry. One of the impressive things about paranoid literature is the contrast between its fantasied conclusions and the almost touching concern with factuality it invariably shows. It produces heroic strivings for evidence to prove that the unbelievable is the only thing that can be believed....

Paranoid writing begins with certain broad defensible judgments. There was something to be said for the anti-Masons. After all, a secret society composed of influential men bound by special obligations could conceivable pose some kind of threat to the civil order in which they were suspended.....

....The higher paranoid scholarship is nothing if not coherent—in fact the paranoid mind is far more coherent than the real world. It is nothing if not scholarly in technique. McCarthy’s 96-page pamphlet, McCarthyism, contains no less than 313 footnote references, and Mr. Welch’s incredible assault on Eisenhower, The Politician, has one hundred pages of bibliography and notes. The entire right-wing movement of our time is a parade of experts, study groups, monographs, footnotes, and bibliographies.....

....The enemy is clearly delineated: he is a perfect model of malice, a kind of amoral superman—sinister, ubiquitous, powerful, cruel, sensual, luxury-loving. Unlike the rest of us, the enemy is not caught in the toils of the vast mechanism of history, himself a victim of his past, his desires, his limitations. He wills, indeed he manufactures, the mechanism of history, or tries to deflect the normal course of history in an evil way. He makes crises, starts runs on banks, causes depressions, manufactures disasters, and then enjoys and profits from the misery he has produced. The paranoid’s interpretation of history is distinctly personal: decisive events are not taken as part of the stream of history, but as the consequences of someone’s will. Very often the enemy is held to possess some especially effective source of power: he controls the press; he has unlimited funds; he has a new secret for influencing the mind (brainwashing); he has a special technique for seduction (the Catholic confessional).


....We are all sufferers from history, but the paranoid is a double sufferer, since he is afflicted not only by the real world, with the rest of us, but by his fantasies as well."

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's proof!!

http://portland.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=6324&group=webcast

Everybody duck--here come the remote controlled CIA drone planes---bbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz- --BOOM!!!

I don't know what's funnier--the idea that the government is nervous about posters to this site revealing the truths about certain conspiracies; or some of the alleged conspiracies themselves.

As for the FBI, I wish they WOULD call me. I could use the money.

Before they do, I'll just have to entertain myself with this remote control 9/11 stuff. Instead of confronting the supremely comic implications of this "theory," my inquisitors just keep piling on the "evidence"; more and more links from, say, Quagley Quiggenbush, the CIA station chief in Tora Bora in the 1950s, who used remote control planes to pick up his laundry and thus set the stage for the 9/11 attacks--WHATEVER!!

Thus does ultra left/right paranoia reach its apogee-the notion that the government (oh, excuse me, "portions" of it) quite literally plotted to blow itself up.

The trouble with sitting in a poorly ventilated room in front of the Internet all day, my friends, is that eventually the fumes will get the best of your political acumen. I recommend daily exercise.

VRROOOMMMMMMMMMM!!!! BZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!! BOOM!!!

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I had to weigh in with this collection of links to websites because they represent concrete proof that remotely piloted aircraft do not exist solely in the world of conspiracy theories or "supremely comic implications" of some wackos. Krondstadt seems to be held captive by his inability to accept any other explanation for the events of 9/11 than those that originate from the government or its sycophants who regurgitate those same tired and incredible explanations for the attacks.
The links are:

NASA Himat(Highly Maneuverable Aircraft Technology) project that ran from 1979 to 1983

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4406/chap8.html
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/PAO/PAIS/HTML/FS-025-DFRC.html
http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/history/bna/himat.htm
http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/history/bna/himatdat.htm

The Edwards AFB website that goes into detail about the history and types of remotely piloted vehicles that were tested there

http://www.edwards.af.mil/articles98/docs_html/splash/may98/cover/UAVmain.htm

The joint NASA/FAA CID(Controlled Impact Demonstration) experiment where a remotely piloted Boeing 720(similar to a 707) was crashed at the NASA Dryden flight test center in 1984

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/movie/CID/index.html
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/CID/HTML/EC84-31805.html
http://www.stclement.pvt.k12.il.us/StudentWeb/7cg2k1/corbin/governmentcrashtests.html
http://lava.larc.nasa.gov/BROWSE/crashes.html
http://www.aircrash.org/burnelli/720crsh1.htm
http://aviation-safety.net/pictures/gal-nasa.htm
http://www.worldnetcams.com/ac/aircraft6b.htm
http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinoff1998/ttc1.htm
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/movie/CID/HTML/EM-0004-01.html

NASA program tests of a flying scale model of the F-15 in spin/stall experiments from 1975 to 1977

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/F-15A-RPRV/index.html

A website that describes remotely piloted Teledyne Ryan Firebee drones used in the Vietnam war for reconaissance missions and as target drones

http://www.edwards.af.mil/articles98/docs_html/splash/may98/cover/vietnam.htm

These links are irrefutable proof that remote control exists(because they include government/corporate websites), and that the arguments of those whom postulate the involvement of remotely piloted aircraft in the tragedies of 9/11 are not only plausible but extremely likely as an explanation of the events of that tragic date.

And as for Krondstadt, who obfuscates and tries to misdirect people away from the truth and send them on wild goose chases, I can only say that I feel sorry for him since he clearly cannot think for himself and needs the government to provide him with any kind of opinions and thoughts on the matter. Those who cannot or will not conceive of any kind of viable existence that is not influenced by government edicts and coercion of thoughts and actions will be forever trapped by their fear and the limitations imposed by the fascist parameters as dictated by the government. It is almost a guaranteed way to bring about a world of perpetual war, fear and nuclear annihilation and preventing the advancement of humanity towards a more peaceful and better future where we are motivated by trust and compassion.

I hope that the information I've provided will enlighten people concerning the 9/11 WTC and Pentagon attacks and give them a way to more effectively refute the debunking attempts by those such as Krondstadt and the government.