Rhymes in support of Usama Bin Ladin in South Korean schools

Azzam's credibility is a negative number, but...

That would be an absolute blast on field trips. When you're still stuck on the damn bus, and you've been all the way through "Ten Million Bottles of Beer on the Wall", that song would be a wonderful way to annoy the Hell out of the teachers.

It beats any of the stuff we used to sing on buses when I was a kid.

kavkaz is a totally ridiculous news source that lacks all credibility.

this is the same paper that is proclaiming hundreds of US fatalities and in a recent article claimed that US marines were scampering like dogs hiding from a massive taliban counter-offensive.

this counter-offensive supposedly occured like 5 days ago, long after the taliban ceased to exist as a political entity.

in other words, its highly doubtful that this article is even true.

yeah, jon, shall we start rolling out the lists of all the egregious and many-times intentional errors in reporting that have been made by AP/CNN/ABC/NBC/ etc?

the relative merits of CNN, ABC, NBC is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

kakvaz lacks all credibility, pure and simple. the fact that they picked S. Korea is particularly interesting, most likely b/c it will have the most effect to the idiot believers as S. Korea is one of america's staunchest allies

the people who find kakvaz credible are the same idiots who believe that the moon landings never happened, that mossad blew up the WTC, and that aliens routinely visit the Earth in order to kidnap farmers.

get real nessie. any idiot with half a brain would realize that the stuff on kakvaz is completely false. to even compare its credibility with CNN for example is just completely out there. CNN will report a world event, put a spin to it, and that'll be that. Kakvaz routinely, as in almost every article, simply makes shit up and posts it. quite a difference

as for S. Korea. both the gov't and the people overwhelmingly support the US. as i've said before, simply visit the freaking country, americana is huge there and the long lines for american visas is a further testament to their support.

nessie is obviously too stupid to understand sarcasm, but, what can you do.

and its interesting that when suggesting that CNN isn't credible you bring up one report issued over a decade ago, and one that wasn't the fault of CNN but rather of faulty testimony given at a congressional hearing.

that is quite different from just making things up as kakvaz does.

and yes, the kwangju massacre is in fact interesting, and many S. Koreans do not appreciate the fact to say the least.

however, the fact that it happened does not mean that koreans suddenly hate americans. after all, w/o the US south koreans would be eating tree bark just like their northern neighbors, a fact forgotten by only the dimmest of koreans

Elementary school students in Busan and other parts of South Gyeongsang province are reportedly singing the praises of Osama bin Laden. School authorities in the province said they are working to discourage children from singing what they called a "Bin Laden worship song."

The South Gyeongsang Office of Education reported Tuesday that 1,750 students had been punished at 15 schools for singing the song. The education office said a survey it conducted showed that in Gimhae about 1,700 of the city's 40,000 elementary school students have at least heard the song. In Busan about 10 percent of elementary school students said they have heard or sung the song.

Calling the song "potentially dangerous," the Busan Police Agency and the city's education office on Dec. 7 ordered schools to stop students from singing the song and to educate them as to why Mr. bin Laden is not someone to be admired. They are also searching for the origin of the song, but have not had any luck.

The song, reportedly sung to the tune of the theme song of a popular cartoon, goes something like this: "Osama bin Laden, the person I admire most. I also want to be a terrorist when I grow up. President Bush, the person I detest most. I'm going to blow up the 63 building."

well i'll be damned.

kakvaz actually got something right.

Pardon me, I'm laughing my ass off at once again jon being proved wrong.

Second, kavkaz is like any other news source --- it has a slant, it has bias, but it is still getting news out there. Many corporate media outlets have picked things up after getting leads from sites like kavkaz.

It is only racist idiots like jon who discard every non-American, non-corporate media outlet. Who the fuck do you think knows whats going on with jihad than the people actually doing it?? Anyone who thinks "Cokie Roberts" is any more or less believable than "Chenchen Jihad" is a brainwashed moron.

It is funny because the US Government and US Corporate Media have been found in more embarrassing moments of coverup, denial, and propaganda than most obscure independent media sites around the world. And yet, I dont see Jon posted at the bottom of corporate media articles about how incredible they are.

maybe you should go to kakvaz's site and read the articles there.

they all stretch belief, and disbelieving one b/c of its rather ridiculous nature isn't wrong.

here are a few examples of kakvaz's "credibility"

1) 4 US planes shot down near tora-bora, "As for the four warplanes, they were shot down using ordinary Anti-Aircraft weapons."

except that the iraqis have been using far more sophisticated weaponry then stingers for almost a decade and have yet to shoot down ONE us aircraft

2) Fresh attack on US base using "heavy artillery" that then goes on for 30 minutes, and is responded to by "indiscriminate airstrikes".

except that US anti-artillery measures are among the best in the world, and a US ground unit will have them onsite and could retaliate within under one sole minute.

3) or "MORE HYPOCRITES AND APOSTATES SURFACE IN MUSLIM COMMUNITIES AROUND THE WORLD"

in response to the brixton mosque that dares speak out against islamic fundamentalism, and how that is against islam.

please
kakvaz's primary role is of a propaganda site telling outright lies.

CNN does nothing of this. your supposed "media coverups" is just b/c quite frankly no one cares, and yet you are arrogant to believe that your passions should be shared by every single american.

get real.

and furthermore, how am i racist?
idiot.
crying racism is the typical response of the moronic, and if it helps matters i'm also a minority.

a "minority"
good for you jon

CNN, you mean the same network which had active US military psy-ops working on the "production of news" during the Kosovo war?

The same network which issued a statement that "focusing on civilian deaths would be perverse"?

The same network which agreed to censor videos of Osama bin Laden per the request of the US Government?

Quoting from kavkaz and putting them on here in a mocking way doesnt further your point, jon ... it furthers mine, dumbass. You dont know whether any of these stories are true or not ... all you know is what CNN and other corporate media outlets tell you. Perhaps if you were in Afghanistan with first-hand knowledge ... but you aren't.

Furthermore, as I originally said, just as everything on CNN is not 100% truth, everything on kavkaz is not 100% truth. Both are propaganda. I'm just pointing out the fact that you LOVE and BELIEVE every word of the white, corporate media and you HATE and DISBELIEVE every word of the non-white, non-corporate media (i.e. kavkaz), and YES that's racist. In your world, CNN is widely-seen and massively peer-reviewed, and thats an ignorant, narrow viewpoint of the world.

try harder.
if CNN was really being run by the US military then it would be helpful to compare it to the broadcasts put out by ITN, BBC, NBC, ABC, etc. etc.

CNN was in no qualitative way different. thus, the effects of US psy-ops in the kosovo air campaign were minimal at best.

which again brings me to another interesting point, the relatively few differences b/w american for-profit news agencies like NBC or CNN, versus the BBC.

why pray tell were there so few differences if the corporate media censored so much material along with the US military.

could very well be that its b/c they were reporting the basic truth, rather then fabricating entire stories like kakvaz

and me quoting kakvaz actually proves my point. as my rebuttals showed all of their reports were highly dubious as evidenced by some basic use of logic and knowledge of elementary information. the fact that i'm not in afghanistan doesn't change the fact for example that it is highly unlikely that the taliban could shoot down 4 US aircraft in a matter of weeks when the iraqis have had years with more sophisticated weapons and not produced one downed plane. its logic, plain and simple

and please idiot, how is not believing one foreign site evidence of racism. again, crying racism is the favored tool of the moronic, and i suppose i should thank you for using it. makes my job ever so easier

"if CNN was really being run by the US military then it would be helpful to compare it to the broadcasts put out by ITN, BBC, NBC, ABC, etc. etc. "

Why? Anyone will show you that most major corporate media is consolidated into a handful of multinational corporations. In addition, it is easy to show that the culture of corporate journalism really doesn't change much from one multinational news agency to another. What differences there are can be important, but are still minor quibbles (i.e. Reuters will not use the word "freedom-fighter" but AP will). Certainly, you can say that FoxNews is more right-wing whereas CNN has been more left-wing in the past. But the differences amount to the differences between Bush and Gore.

"CNN was in no qualitative way different. thus, the effects of US psy-ops in the kosovo air campaign were minimal at best."

Or the other networks picked up on each other, they were all doing inbred reporting much as it is now and at any other time, war or not. The point remains the same, you claim that CNN is credible and yet your only response to them working directly with the US military is a ridiculous comparison test? That test is so inconclusive it could even be used to prove that the psyops were working with *all* the networks, and only the CNN one got out. Sheeesh, Jon.

"which again brings me to another interesting point, the relatively few differences b/w american for-profit news agencies like NBC or CNN, versus the BBC. "

Yeah. Pick up a Chinese newspaper. Or read some Russian ones, or from Uzbekistan, or the Philippines, or widespread left-leaning newspaper in Latin America. Read the Cuban newspaper. Comparing CNN to BBC is really no comparison at all, the US-English culture and political alliances are so tight. Although BBC coverage is usually geared for a European audience, which is more knowledgable about international issues, and you can pick up on those differences between BBC and American corporate media.

etc etc. Dont forget the willing compliance of corporate media in the handling of video tapes of Osama, the leaked CNN memo about "not talking about civilian deaths," etc etc. How about "collateral damage" becoming a term the media uses?

Sorry Jon. A real media is not the marketing and presentation department for the government. A real media asks questions that might be embarrassing or does research, etc. Most of the stuff you see on here is asking the questions that people are wondering but corporate media will not touch. Unfortunately because of the structure of capitalism independent news agencies are shut out of most government or corporate news releases or press conferences.