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israel is a fiction

by Shekh Omar Bakri Muhammed
A declaration of the struggle for Palestinian independence. 54 years of aparheid is far too long.
JIHAD AGAINST THE ILLEGITIMATE STATE OF ISRAEL



O’ Muslims, the naked aggression and atrocities committed against the people of Palestine, such as killing them, desecrating the Mosque of Al-Aqsa and throwing them out of their land and homes is a violation of the sanctity of Human Beings and their honour which requires an immediate and comprehensive solution including putting the perpetrators of these crimes on trial. The Islamic Decree regarding the occupation of Palestine by the Jews is Jihad for the sake of Allah (swt) and the divine evidence for this from the Qur’an is that Allah (swt) says: " If anyone commits aggression against you retaliate against them in equal manner" [EMQ 2:194].
O’ Muslims, this Fatwa is a call to fight against Israeli forces, their government, Israeli Embassies, military airports and jets etc... as they are legitimate targets for Muslims wherever they may be. The divine evidence for this from the Qur’an is that Allah (swt) says: "And kill them wherever you meet them and turn them out from where they have turned you out" [EMQ 2: 191].
However, It is prohibited to target any non-military or innocent Jews because this would be considered to be murder and therefore aggression against the sanctity of Human life. The divine evidence for this from the Qur’an is that Allah (swt) says: "Fight for the sake of God those who fight you and do not do transgression for Allah loves not the transgressors" [EMQ 2:190]
The Muslims in Palestine have appealed for help therefore it is an obligation upon Muslims worldwide to respond and help verbally, physically, financially or militarily. The divine evidence for this from the Qur’an is that Allah (swt) says: "If they seek your support you must support them " [EMQ 8:72].
And "Why must you not fight for the sake of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill treated and oppressed, men, women and children whose cry is: our Lord rescue us from those people who are oppressors and raise for us from thee one who will protect, and raise for us from thee one who will help" [EMQ 4:75]
There is no prohibition to be kind to those who do not fight against you rather it is prohibited to be kind to those who fight you. The divine evidence for this from the Qur’an is that Allah (swt) says: "God only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out from turning to them for friendship and protection or to be kind to them and whoever does so indeed they are the oppressors (i.e. Sinners)" [EMQ 60:9]
The above divine evidences are a clear and a decisive verdict for the atrocities, which have been taking place in Palestine over the last fifty-three years. Therefore Muslims are obliged to fight against their enemies and to help each other. In addition the Islamic verdict regarding Prime Minister Barak and his commanders is for them to be put on trial in any independent Islamic court for their crimes and for capital punishment to be applied.
And Allah (swt) says: "Indeed Allah has traded with the believers their lives and wealth in return for paradise if they fight for the cause of Allah whether they are martyred or victorious and this is a promise from Allah which he has made a duty upon himself clearly recorded in the Torah, the Bible and the Qur’an. And who is more faithful in his promise than Allah; so enjoy this good news for your allegiance and loyalty to your Lord for this is the greatest achievement…" [EMQ 9:111]
The Jihad against the Jews occupying Palestine will continue until they withdraw completely from the whole of Palestine including Tel-Aviv, Haifa, the Golan Heights, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip regardless if occupied in 1948 or 1967, because any aggression against any Muslim property or land by any Kuffar or non-Muslim forces whether American, British or the Jews of Israel makes Jihad (i.e. fighting) against them an obligation upon all Muslims.
To ally or to seek assistance of non-Muslim states is prohibited, a sin and a grave crime not to mention a betrayal of Allah (swt), His Messenger and all the believers. Hence whosoever among you allows his country to become a base for American, Jewish or other kufr forces or conspires and makes Muslim land a passage for any non-Muslim forces whether it be via sea, land or air, assisting directly or indirectly, an attack against Muslims in any part of the world will be at war with Allah (swt) and His Messenger. He will be humiliating himself before Allah (swt) and before the whole Ummah who will never forgive this ugly crime even if the perpetrator erects barriers to hide behind.
Any agreements and summits between the enemies of Islam whether G7, G8, the UN or with so-called Muslim representatives such as the PLO or Arabs of the Middle East in order to give away even a hand-span of Muslim land or to oppress and fight the Islamic movements or to arrest their members or to hand them over to the enemy in response to the Jews of Israel is considered to be war against Allah and his Messenger Muhammad (saw). The Israeli cancer in Palestine must be uprooted. Islam obliges us to liberate all Muslim land from occupiers whoever they may be whether American, Jewish Israeli or other forces.
The Fatwa is therefore JIHAD against the Jewish occupiers, their government, army, interests, airports and institutions and it has been given by the most prominent scholars of Islam today because of the occupation of Muslim land and aggression against the Muslims of Palestine. The only Islamic Fatwa against this explicit aggression is Jihad.
Therefore the message for the Jews occupying Palestine is to leave and return to where they came from or face a full scale war of Jihad which will be the responsibly and the duty of every Muslim around the world to participate in.
O Mujahideen, O Muslim Armies and Activists wherever you are. Hold firm to the book of Allah and depend on none but him, fight the enemy of Islam and Muslims for the sake of none but Him and aim your weapons at the occupiers forces.
Let us salute Muslims in Palestine for their brave and generous stand. May Allah support you with patience, victory, dignity and the power to liberate the WHOLE of Palestine and to establish the Khilafah.
O Muslim Armies, We Muslims must not be attached to life nor run from death. Life’s pleasures will come to us inevitably because God has granted us all the treasures of the world; we have oil, gold, water, resources, land, people, history and more importantly we have the Qur'an and we are the grand-children of an Ummah (Islamic Nation) which was the superpower for over a thousand years.
We must return back to our roots, support Muslims wherever they are, verbally, financially and militarily before the enemy enslave us and humiliate us more. This matter a very dangerous one for it requires us to sacrifice life, wealth and blood for its sake. Remember that the dignity of a Nation cannot be measured with land or wealth because the dignity of a Nation is not goods to trade with, therefore we must stand and engage in Jihad and support the Mujahideen, for death is better than humiliation before the disbelievers.
O Muslims, the opportunity is here and we must not pass it by. The battle is tense and our Muslim brothers are firm in their Jihad so we must not lose time aimlessly. We must act now and rise against the presence of Israelis in Muslim countries and close down their illegitimate embassies and companies. Verily, the Ummah is our Ummah, their war is our war, their enemy is our enemy, the Mujahideen are our brothers, their victory or defeat is our victory or defeat and the Khilafah is our Khilafah.
O Muslim Armies, Mujahideen, Scholars and activists, the Book of our Lord calls us, The Ummah cries for us and Paradise awaits us, Let us fight the Jewish occupiers, for a new dawn is near at hand.

Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad
Amir of Al-Muhajiroun, &
Judge of The Shari’ah Court of The UK
by kn
fuck you. bring it on, asshole.
by meso
is exactly why there will never be peace in the middle east. Blind religion and fanatacism will never foster a peaceful, multicultural society. Until the leaders in the middle east stop talking/acting both like Ariel Sharon AND this man above, nothing will be accomplished
by John Stone (ckbzness [at] aol.com)
I agree. Others posting on this sight refuse to face this reality. The goal of Hamas and many Palestinians is to drive Irsralis into the sea. A current article refers to the "honorable intentions" of Hamas. Get real.

This is why Palestine needs a strong leader like Sadat with positive views to lead the majority away from the "Hamas solution" and join in partnership with Israel. But sadly, it ain't going to happen.
by Shalom Ben-Ami
but will fight for our land. When the Arabs accept the reality that the Jews are in the Middle East to stay, there will be peace. Until then, if the Palestinians and neighbors see declaring a violent intifada against Israel as a good strategy, Israel will fight back and defend itself by any means neccesary.
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by Jon
Would also help if israeli's neighbors, oh i dunno, STOPPED INVADING IT!

that would also lead to peace in the middle-east
by John Stone (ckbzness [at] aol.com)
You seemed to have lost the focus of the article. It’s not about peace with Israel. It’s about eliminating the ILLEGITMATE state of Israel. There is no action that Israel can take that would satisfy Palestinians who think this way, other than possibly moving their country out of the region. Unfortunately, probably too many Palestinians are anti-Zionists.
by John Stone (ckbzness [at] aol.com)
Please read the article again.
by kn
Aww, come on, Nessie. I totally respect your pacifist/anarchist view of what people "could" be, but the reality in this case is SO different than reality, and the "what could" is a long way off from fruition.

Here me out, here. Remember, I am an unapolagetic Zionist, but here is a deeply objective view of the current situation:

On the one hand, you have a people (Israelis) that, due to their terribly sad history, have become overly paranoid that certain ethnic groups are out to destroy them, and have compensated for that paranoia by becoming very aggressive in proceeding with what they see to be the 'defense' of their nation.

On the other hand, you have another people (the Palestinians) that, mostly due to their ongoing manipulation by the greater Islamic world, have become convinced that Jews have colonized all of what is rightfully theirs, and would like nothing better than to butcher them the way Nazis butchered gypsies, communists, slavs, and jews in WWII. This has, in turn, led to a desperate struggle for 'liberation' from a murderous and inhuman foe.

Without going into the historical details (of which I admit I can not be unbiased), ask yourself the question:

"How do these two peoples get out of this mess?"

Unfortunately, the answer is that it will take a long, long time to reconcile, and that it will take generations to untangle the mutual distrust. What we can hope for right now is stability and mutual economic dependency, leading to a greater understanding. The last thing we need is a disintegration of what little stability exists in the region, and the legitimization of the most extreme elements (messianic settlers and hamas/islamicjihad/force17/tanzim) of both societies.
by kn
after re-reading the above post, let me clarify the following:

Palestinians are convinced that the Jews are out to butcher them,

NOT

that Paletinians would like to butcher Jews the way the Nazis did

Sorry for any confusion.
by Lidy
To Sheik, if Allah was for you, why did he throw the red sea on the Arabs. 2nd Sheik, if your so concerned about Muslims. Maybe you should tell Iraq to stop gassing and killing the muslim kurds.
by tOM
ISRAEL IS NOT A STATE IT IS AN ARM OF US.

"A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld."
George Washington in his "Farewell Address

Here lies the problem. Let Israel defend herself. No more billions of $ for its "defense"
by Farzim
The very fact that genocide is upon the Arab people by the hateful jews with the co-operation of the God-less US shows the moral and logistical bankruptcy of a policy of a european/jewish presence in Palestine. They never belonged there.
by arub
Israel is a fiction, yet the Arab states carved from the Ottoman empire are not?

That's like saying - this isn't about religion - yet the P.A. is using Islam to stoke hate against all jews, in the schools, in their media, on t.v. You don't see the Israeli's doing that. Perhaps, it's because one is a free society and the other is not - Arafat is sitting on Billion in dollars from the E.U., U.S. and Israel yet "refugee camps" still exist... And Arafat is held aloft by the left as a freedom fighter....
What a joke you people are.

You won't think we are joke when we are done with you, though.
by brigg
... I'm not seeing it. This seems to have moved beyond diplomacy. The Palestinians are fighting to re-gain the land they have lost, the Israelis are fighting to maintain the lands they captured during the '67 &'73 wars, lands that were used to launch offensive attacks against them.

I don't see 'land for peace' working. Arafat was given about 90% of what he wanted a few years ago during the Camp David meeting with Barak and Clinton, and he turned it down. Shocked everybody. The next day, the Palestinians started attacking again. I haven't any reason to believe he wants Israel to exist. He wants them out, period! How can their be peace under those circumstances?

Quite frankly, how was 'land for peace' to work anyway, when the objective of the one receiving land was more than just that? I don't recall the US gov't offering the uni-bomber 'land for peace'. It wouldn't have worked.

In fact, in my opinion, the Israelis have shown tremendous restraint. They have a very powerful military. They should, the USA sold it to them. All the Arabs countries combined couldn't stop them if they wanted to. If the Israelis decided to overrun and capture the Saudi oilfields, who in the region could stop them? US troops are practically the only ones in the world who could fight against them and win. If the Arab countries had the same military power as Israel, is their any doubt they would have used it already to blow Israel off the map?

I've even heard talk of a summit. The point of a summit would be if there is a chance of reaching an agreement. That doesn't look promising.

I have noticed that since the Israelis went on the offensive after the Passover killings, there haven't been any new suicide bombing. It seems the Arabs understand force.

Unfortunately, I think its moved beyond talking. Only when one side or the other is so bloodied they have no choice but to make peace will there be peace.

But, I keep hoping I'm wrong.

by Fieszal Nezam
We all know that without military and financial support from the United ( New ) States ( World ) of America ( Order ), the present Zionist / Nazi regime occupying Palestine would never have even opened a deli or grocery store .
Know this Israel , Muslims have become united in oppositon to your lack of respect towards human life . Even before 1947/48 we remained quiet . Only a few chose to fight against that which you are disallusioned in believing is yours . You can only maintain the sharade over the world Jewry for so long.
Our numbers have grown well over 4million and now we begin our march on the Holy Land. We shall come from the gates at the north ,south and east . Our Crusade will not stop , until Jews , Christians and Muslims are free of Zionism . Many of us know we will die . But the flood of our spilt blood, will reclaim the streets from you. We will not stop , until the Holy Land is free of Zionism . We ask , those who do not wish to die to go into the Palestinian camps with food and supplies, and stay with them . They shall be your witnesses.
Abdul Malik . V.R. Raffi . Shoukat Massoud .
by brigg
I agree with Don Quixote. This isn't about what Yasser Arafat wants, it's about what the Palestinian people want. That's what matters.

Of course, Arafat has certainly placed himself in a position where he *claims* to speak on behalf of the people of Palestine. But who knows what the Palestinian people really want. They've never been free to hold elections in order to elect a spokesperson.

If it doesn't matter what Arafat wants, only what the Palestinian people want, the the people need to find a way to select someone to voice what they want. Either Arafat is doing that or he isn't.

Also, just because the Palestinians may *want something* doesn't mean they will get it. That's how the ball bounces.

Fieszal Nezam's above post only further supports my belief that this is leading to full scale war. The State of Israel cannot negotiate with that type of mindset. No one can.


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by Senator Jim Inhofe

A skillful presentation by U.S. Senator James Inhofe (R-Oklahoma) on the Senate floor, March 4, 2002.

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I was interested the other day when I heard that the de facto Saudi ruler, Crown Prince Abdullah, made a statement which was received by many in this country as if it were a statement of fact, as if it were something new, a concept for peace in the Middle East that no one had ever heard of before. I was kind of shocked that it was so well received by many people who had been down this road before.

I suggest to you that what Crown Prince Abdullah talked about a few days ago was not new at all. He talked about the fact that under the Abdullah plan, Arabs would normalize relations with Israel in exchange for the Jewish state surrendering the territory it received after the Six Day War, as if that were something new...

[But] there isn't anything new about the prospect of giving up land that is rightfully Israel's land in order to have peace. When it gets right down to it, the land doesn't make that much difference, because Yasser Arafat and others don't recognize Israel's right to any of the land. They do not recognize Israel's right to exist. Yasser Arafat and others don't recognize Israel's right to any of the land. They do not recognize Israel's right to exist.

I will discuss seven reasons why Israel is entitled to the land they have and that it should not be a part of the peace process. If this is something that Israel wants to do, it is their business to do it. But anyone who has tried to put the pressure on Israel to do this is wrong.

We are going to be hit by skeptics who are going to say we will be attacked because of our support for Israel, and if we get out of the Middle East -- that is us -- all the problems will go away. That is just not true. If we withdraw, all of these problems will again come to our door. I have some observations to make about that.

But I would like to reemphasize once again the seven reasons that Israel has the right to their land.

1) ARCHEOLOGY

The first reason is that Israel has the right to the land because of all of the archeological evidence. All the archeological evidence supports it. Every time there is a dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that Israelis have had a presence there for 3,000 years. The coins, the cities, the pottery, the culture -- there are other people, groups that are there, but there is no mistaking the fact that Israelis have been present in that land for 3,000 years. It predates any claims that other peoples in the region may have.

The ancient Philistines are extinct. Many other ancient peoples are extinct. They do not have the unbroken line to this date that the Israelis have. Even the Egyptians of today are not racial Egyptians of 2,000, 3,000 years ago. They are primarily an Arab people. The land is called Egypt, but they are not the same racial and ethnic stock as the old Egyptians of the ancient world.

The Israelis are in fact descended from the original Israelites.

2) HISTORY

The second proof of Israel's right to the land is the historic right. History supports it totally and completely. We know there has been an Israel up until the time of the Roman Empire. The Romans conquered the land. Israel had no homeland, although Jews were allowed to live there. They were driven from the land in two dispersions: One in 70 A.D. and the other in 135 A.D. But there was always a Jewish presence in the land.

The Turks, who took over about 700 years ago and ruled the land up until about World War One, had control. Then the land was conquered by the British. The Turks entered World War One on the side of Germany. The British knew they had to do something to punish Turkey, and also to break up that empire that was going to be a part of the whole effort of Germany in World War One. So the British sent troops against the Turks in the Holy Land.

One of the generals who was leading the British armies was a man named Allenby. Allenby was a Bible-believing Christian. He carried a Bible with him everywhere he went and he knew the significance of Jerusalem. The night before the attack against Jerusalem to drive out the Turks, Allenby prayed that God would allow him to capture the city without doing damage to the holy places.

That day, Allenby sent World War One biplanes over the city of Jerusalem to do a reconnaissance mission. You have to understand that the Turks had at that time never seen an airplane. So there they were, flying around. They looked in the sky and saw these fascinating inventions and did not know what they were, and they were terrified by them.They dared not fight against a prophet from God, so Allenby captured Jerusalem without firing a single shot.

Then they were told they were going to be opposed by a man named Allenby the next day, which means, in their language, "man sent from God" or "prophet from God." They dared not fight against a prophet from God, so the next morning, when Allenby went to take Jerusalem, he went in and captured it without firing a single shot.

The British government was grateful to Jewish people around the world, particularly to one Jewish chemist who helped them manufacture niter. Niter is an ingredient that was used in nitroglycerin which was sent over from the New World. But they did not have a way of getting it to England. The German U-boats were shooting on the boats, so most of the niter they were trying to import to make nitroglycerin was at the bottom of the ocean. But a man named Weitzman, a Jewish chemist, discovered a way to make it from materials that existed in England. As a result, they were able to continue that supply.

The British at that time said they were going to give the Jewish people a homeland. That is all written down in history. They were gratified that the Jewish people, the bankers, came through and helped finance the war.

The homeland that Britain said it would set aside consisted of all of what is now Israel and all of what was then the nation of Jordan -- the whole thing. That was what Britain promised to give the Jews in 1917. In the beginning, there was some Arab support for this action. There was not a huge Arab population in the land at that time, and there is a reason for that. The land was not able to sustain a large population of people. It just did not have the development it needed to handle those people, and nobody really wanted this land. It was considered to be worthless land.

Mark Twain -- Samuel Clemens -- took a tour of Palestine in 1867. This is how he described that land. We are talking about Israel now. He said: "A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."

Where was this great Palestinian nation? It did not exist. It was not there. Palestinians were not there. Palestine was a region named by the Romans, but at that time it was under the control of Turkey, and there was no large mass of people there because the land would not support them.

This is the report that the Palestinian Royal Commission, created by the British, made. It quotes an account of the conditions on the coastal plain along the Mediterranean Sea in 1913. The Palestinian Royal Commission said:

"The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track, suitable for transport by camels or carts. No orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached the Yavnev village. Houses were mud. Schools did not exist. The western part toward the sea was almost a desert. The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many villages were deserted by their inhabitants."

That was 1913.

The French author Voltaire described Palestine as "a hopeless, dreary place." In short, under the Turks the land suffered from neglect and low population. That is a historic fact. The nation became populated by both Jews and Arabs because the land came to prosper when Jews came back and began to reclaim it. If there had never been any archaeological evidence to support the rights of the Israelis to the territory, it is also important to recognize that other nations in the area have no longstanding claim to the country either.

Did you know that Saudi Arabia was not created until 1913, Lebanon until 1920? Iraq did not exist as a nation until 1932, Syria until 1941. The borders of Jordan were established in 1946 and Kuwait in 1961. Any of these nations that would say Israel is only a recent arrival would have to deny their own rights as recent arrivals as well. They did not exist as countries. They were all under the control of the Turks.

Historically, Israel gained its independence in 1948.

3) AGRICULTURE

The third reason that land belongs to Israel is the practical value of the Israelis being there. Israel today is a modern marvel of agriculture. Israel is able to bring more food out of a desert environment than any other country in the world. The Arab nations ought to make Israel their friend and import technology from Israel that would allow all the Middle East, not just Israel, to become an exporter of food. Israel has unarguable success in its agriculture.

4) HUMANITARIAN

The fourth reason I believe Israel has the right to the land is on the grounds of humanitarian concern. You see, there were 6 million Jews slaughtered in Europe during World War Two. The persecution against the Jews had been very strong in Russia since the advent of communism, and before then under the Czars.

These people have a right to their homeland. If we are not going to allow them a homeland in the Middle East, then where? What other nation on Earth is going to cede territory, is going to give up land?

They are not asking for a great deal. The whole nation of Israel would fit into my home state of Oklahoma seven times. They are not asking for a great deal. The whole nation of Israel is very small. It is a nation that, up until the time that claims started coming in, was not desired by anybody.

5) STRATEGIC ALLY

The fifth reason Israel ought to have their land is that she is a strategic ally of the United States. Whether we realize it or not, Israel is an impediment to certain groups hostile to democracies and hostile to what we believe in, hostile to that which makes us the greatest nation in the history of the world. They have kept them from taking complete control of the Middle East. If it were not for Israel, they would overrun the region. Israel votes with America in the United Nations more than England, Canada, France, Germany -- more than any other country in the world.

They are our strategic ally. It is good to know we have a friend in the Middle East on whom we can count. They vote with us in the United Nations more than England, more than Canada, more than France, more than Germany -- more than any other country in the world.

6) ROADBLOCK TO TERRORISM

The sixth reason is that Israel is a roadblock to terrorism. The war we are now facing is not against a sovereign nation; it is against a group of terrorists who are very fluid, moving from one country to another. They are almost invisible. That is whom we are fighting against today. We need every ally we can get. If we do not stop terrorism in the Middle East, it will be on our shores.

One of the reasons I believe the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States is that the policy of our government has been to ask the Israelis, and demand it with pressure, not to retaliate in a significant way against the terrorist strikes that have been launched against them.

Since its independence in 1948, Israel has fought four wars: The 1948 War of Independence, the 1956 Sinai campaign, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kippur War. In all four cases, Israel was attacked. They were not the aggressor. Some people may argue that this was not true because they went in first in 1956, but they knew at that time that Egypt was building a huge military to become the aggressor. Israel, in fact, was not the aggressor and has not been the aggressor in any of the four wars.

Also, they won all four wars against impossible odds. They are great warriors. They consider a level playing field being outnumbered 2-to-1.

There were 39 Scud missiles that landed on Israeli soil during the Gulf War. Our president asked Israel not to respond. In order to have the Arab nations on board, we asked Israel not to participate in the war. They showed tremendous restraint and did not. Now we have asked them to stand back and not do anything over these last several attacks. We have criticized them. We have criticized them in our media. Local people in television and radio often criticize Israel, not knowing the true facts. We need to be informed.

I was so thrilled when I heard a reporter pose a question to Secretary of State Colin Powell. He said: "Mr. Powell, the United States has advocated a policy of restraint in the Middle East. We have discouraged Israel from retaliation again and again and again because we've said that it escalates the violence. Are we going to follow that ourselves?"

Mr. Powell indicated we would strike back. In other words, we can tell Israel not to do it, but when it hits us, we are going to do something.

But all that changed in December when the Israelis went into Gaza with gunships and into the West Bank with F-16s. With the exception of last May, the Israelis had not used F-16s since the Six Day War. And I am so proud of them because we have to stop terrorism. It is not going to go away. If Israel were driven into the sea tomorrow, if every Jew in the Middle East were killed, terrorism would not end. You know that in your heart. Terrorism would continue. It is not just a matter of Israel in the Middle East. It is the heart of the very people who are perpetrating this stuff. Should they be successful in overrunning Israel -- which they won't be -- but should they be, it would not be enough. They will never be satisfied.

7) BIBLICAL RIGHT

I believe very strongly that we ought to support Israel, and that it has a right to the land, because God said so. In Genesis 13:14-17, the Bible says: "The Lord said to Abram, "Lift up now your eyes, and look from the place where you are northward, southward, eastward and westward: for all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed forever... Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it to thee."

That is God talking. The Bible says that Abram removed his tent and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar before the Lord. Hebron is in the West Bank. It is at this place where God appeared to Abram and said, "I am giving you this land" -- the West Bank. This is not a political battle at all. It is a contest over whether or not the word of God is true.

CONCLUSION

The seven reasons, I am convinced, clearly establish that Israel has a right to the land. Eight years ago on the White House lawn, Yitzhak Rabin shook hands with PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat. It was a historic occasion. It was a tragic occasion. At that time, the official policy of the government of Israel began to be, "Let us appease the terrorists. Let us begin to trade the land for peace." This process continued unabated up until last year.

Here in our own nation, at Camp David in the summer of 2000, then-Prime Minister of Israel Ehud Barak offered the most generous concessions to Yasser Arafat that had ever been laid on the table. He offered him more than 90 percent of all the West Bank territory, sovereign control of it. There were some parts he did not want to offer, but in exchange he said he would give up land in Israel proper that the PLO had not even asked for. Barak even spoke of dividing Jerusalem. Arafat stormed out of the meeting.

And he also did the unthinkable. He even spoke of dividing Jerusalem and allowing the Palestinians to have their capital there. Yasser Arafat stormed out of the meeting. Why did he storm out of the meeting? Everything he said he wanted was offered there. It was put into his hands. Why did he storm out of the meeting? A couple of months later, there began to be riots, terrorism. The riots began when now-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon went to the Temple Mount. And this was used as the thing that lit the fire and caused the explosion. Did you know that Sharon did not go unannounced and that he contacted the Islamic authorities before he went and secured their permission to be there? It was no surprise.

The response was very carefully calculated. They knew the world would not pay attention to the details. They would portray this in the Arab world as an attack upon the holy mosque and use it as an excuse to riot. Over the last eight years, during this time of the peace process, where the Israeli public has pressured its leaders to give up land for peace because they are tired of fighting, there has been increased terror.

In fact, it has been greater in the last eight years than any other time in Israel's history. Showing restraint and giving in has not produced any kind of peace. It is so much so that today the leftist peace movement in Israel does not exist because the people feel they were deceived. They offered a hand of peace, and it was not taken. That is why the politics of Israel have changed drastically over the past 12 months. The Israelis have come to see that, "No matter what we do, these people do not want to deal with us... They want to destroy us."

That is why even yet today the stationery of the PLO still has upon it the map of the entire state of Israel, not just the little part they call the West Bank. They want it all.

We have to get out of this mindset that somehow you can buy peace in the Middle East by giving little plots of land. It has not worked before when it has been offered.

These seven reasons show why Israel is entitled to that land.
Isn't inciting speech illegal? The above fatwa advocates murder, death and destruction. This is obscene and I believe illegal as statements calling for and inciting people to deprive people of their rights to life and freedom from bodily harm are not protected by the first amendment. Does anybody moderate this forum?
by absolute zero (Kelvin)
Fieszal Nezam says "Our numbers have grown well over 4 million and now we begin our march on the Holy Land. We shall come from the gates at the north ,south and east . Our Crusade will not stop , until Jews , Christians and Muslims are free of Zionism . Many of us know we will die . But the flood of our spilt blood, will reclaim the streets from you. We will not stop , until the Holy Land is free of Zionism."

Murder seems to be the favorite word here.
by Muslim Warrior
MAY ALLAH DESTROY ISRAEL!!!!!
VICTORY TO HAMAS!!!!
by Tsveradze (el.el [at] verizon.com)
I AM NEITHER JEWISH NOR ARAB. THE QUESTIONS THAT ALWAYS BOTHERED ME ABOUT ISRAEL/PALESTINE ARE: JEWS LIVED IN THE HOLY LAND AROUND THE TIME OF CHRIST. WHY & HOW DID THEY DISSAPEAR FROM THE LAND - AND WHY DID THE PALESTINIANS (FILISITINES) DID NOT DISSAPEAR FROM THE LAND? IF THE ROMANS KILLED THE JEWS, WHY DID THEY NOT KILL THE FILISTINES? IF THE JEWS LEFT ON THEIR OWN, DO THEY DESERVE TO RETURN 2000 LATER? IF YES, THEN EVERYONE MUST LEAVE THE CURRENT TERRITORY OF U.S. AND CEDE THE LAND BACK TO NATIVE AMERICANS - APPLYING THE SAME PRINCIPLES. HOWEVER, WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS NOT GOOD FOR THE GANDER. THE RIGHT OF JEWS IN THEIR RETURN TO PALESTINE IS IN THEIR DEPARTURE FROM THE LAND. I ALSO SUSPECT THAT MANY ASHKENAZI JEWS CONVERTED TO JUDAISM SOME TIME DURING THE PAST 2000 YEARS AND ARE NOT TRUE MIDDLE EASTERN PEOPLE (JEWS), THE TRUE JEWS ARE PROBABLY THE ONES FROM COUNTRIES SURROUNDING PALESTINE. YOU CANNOT DIVIDE THE WORLD BASED ON MAPS THAT EXISTED 2000 YEARS AGO. IF WE START TO DO THIS, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE WHOLE WORLD AROUND.......
by Ogy.P.t & Pale. Stein
Egyptians, Filistines, Palestine were all once same. White race origAn (0ane or Areis or Ael1n) till they were killed by Semiwhite (Vromtoeggbad) tribe
by Sefarad

Israel is a legal and legitimate state.

A different matter is that the islamic fascists and their supporters would like Israel to be destroyed and the Jews exterminated.


by Sefarad
"JIHAD AGAINST THE ILLEGITIMATE STATE OF ISRAEL "

Yes, that's the point. They are making jihad against Jews and Christians, as they have declared many times.

And those useful idiots supporting them.

by Sefarad
Quranic verses that dictate beheading Kaffirs:

5:33-"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;"

8:12- "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off."

47:4- "Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives": thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens."

9:123: "Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you."

2:191- "Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out."

5: 45-- "We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal."

2:193- "Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah"9:29- "Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day... and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Zizziya tax) by hand, being inferior."

8:17-It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God's….." (Allah is a real merciful indeed!)

How can Islamic Mullahs blatantly hide these authentic Quarnic verses? The above Qur'anic scriptures incited early Muslim Jihadis to behead thousands of non-Muslims and other infidels. These same Quranic verses may still inciting devout/fanatical Muslims of modern days. During the early period of Islam, especially during Islamic expeditions by Prophet Muhammad himself while he was in Medina, thousands of infidels were brutally beheaded by the Jihadis. Below is a case in point collected from the authentic Islamic history to use as an example of Islamic beheading.

http://www.geocities.com/realitywithbite/beheading.htm

ISLAM AND UNBELIEVERS

WARNING: GRUESOME IMAGE

"We don’t make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity.”
Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad in an interview with Lisbon’s Publica magazine.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040418/wl_nm/portugal_britain_attacks_dc_1

http://www.geocities.com/realitywithbite/beheading.htm

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