Taliban Kill 35 U.S. Soldiers

That would go along with the B52's, and all the helipcopters they claimed to have shot down too.

Strangely though, the Taliban have yet to produce a single dogtag, let alone a body.

More daisycutters. please.

PBK

Notice how seemlessly the hallucinations of the taliban fit with the banter of the anti self-defense
crowd here on this board. As if coordinated.
My US military converts the psychos of Islam to dust.
On this board simple light and oxygen has the same effect.
Come out of your caves morons of the anti self-defense club. We wont beat or mug or muzzle you. Psychiatrists and psychologists await your arrival. Many medical advances have happened since you last felt light on your skin and fresh air in your lungs.

Ah, Kincaid, how could the US government and corporate media actually lie to you?

Undoubtedly you're still tracking all those blood trails the Pentagon used to back up their "reliable" claims of the number of enemy soldiers killed by US forces in VietNam...repeated daily on the 6 PM news by CBS, NBC and ABC.

And still believe that the Gulf of Tonkin "incident" - an alleged act of "terror" against US sailors which led to our last impressive imperial adventure in SE Asia, - costing 55,000 American lives and well over a Vietnamese- really occured. Never mind the the latest release from LBJ's own tape archives acknowlegement that the reports from the Navy were fictious,... our government just couldn't lie to us.

Or how about the latest report -(my personal favorite from AP) that OBL has been now spotted on horseback, riding around at night near Jalahbad, sleeping in caves during the day.

What else Pat? Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Bush victory in Florida? Spearmint makes your mouth feel minty fresh?

Well, what if 35 Special Forces thugs have been offed? If this allegation is confirmed will our erst-while suckers, Pat K and Danny T, retract their latest pronouncements? Of course not! For these two contemptible no-nothings the US is, a priori, right, because it's.... the US. So they enter an open forum, designed by those who aren't willingly conned by the Pentagon liars and their paid media flacks, and post their imbecilic, toxically patriotic comments that further nobody's knowledge or understanding.... of anything!
And back to you Danny "I'm just one (very dumb) dude" Thomas: When are you launching your sorry ass off to Afghanistan? A couple weeks ago it was your stated plan to de-mine that country, correct? Did you here that your heroes bombed an UN De-mining office in Kandahar last week? And have you read recent stories about Afghan children being torn into shreds by cluster bombs that the US has dropped "in self-defense"? I thought you were concerned for the young, or is that only the young that the US doesn't kill?

You believe the propoganda of osamatalibanalqada, then you expect others to take you serious.
If 35 members of the US special forces died, you wouldnt hear about it from your osamatalibanalqada. Witnesses would not live long enough to speak it.
I think you are afraid of strong men and women. I think your real problem is that you are a coward who hates bravery.
You arent antiwar. You are anti anything stronger than your weak ineffective kind.
This board isnt designed by people who arent willingly conned. This board was designed by some software writer somewhere.
This board is run and celebrated by simp cowards who need a community of their kind to feel pertenant and capable. To feel strength and bravery where there is none.
When the osamatalibanalqada hides like the coward you are in mosques or UN buildings. They'll die there too.
I dont like to discuss my personal life in public to strangers. Funny you expect me to when you dont even have a full name. What are you afraid of ? Those special forces "thugs" ? Dont ever gain the courage of your hallucinations and you'll never show up on their radar. I would say dont be afraid of them but I know you have some fear issues.
Peace all

I -promise- that if there is -any- proof presented of any Americans killed by the Taliban - let alone 35, I will eat humble pie.

You wrote a lot, but of course fail to acknowledge that there is not one ounce of evidence of American casualties.

I remember the Taliban were going to 'teach us all a lesson', and Atef said that Americans would be dragged through the streets. Funny you don't hear much from him right now. :)

Let's say that CNN and whoever else you imagine is in on this conspiracy cover up these casualties. You don't think that Taliban would be giving exclusives to Al-Jazeera? Besides, there would be the parents of the Americans.

Bottom line - the Taliban talked the talk - and now they're being blasted to smithereens.

Praise the lord and pass the daisycutters.

PBK

I've just got a second, so I'll make this fast.

Let us remember, DT and PK, that it was the US government that poured billions of dollars into Afghanistan to support Islamists (this began a half year before the Soviet invasion) -- in so doing, the US at least indirectly supported "OBL" who was then a "freedom fighter"; it was the US that cozied up to the Taliban when it thought it would do it's bidding despite knowledge of the Talibans egregious human rights record -- in the same way that it supported Hussein throughout the 80's; and it was your hero Bush who gave the Taliban $43 million earlier this year, and did nothing to expose the Taliban's horrible practices because to do so wasn't seen as helpful to US interests in the region (think oil and gas reserves and pipelines).

Hats off to Marat and Aaron for their ripostes to Pat Kincaid and the other warmongers. The good Democrat Pat Kincaid has distinguished herself on our precious little Independent Media as being a promoter of the racist David Horowtiz, an advocate of the murder of Mumia Abu-Jamal, viciously anti-Palestinian and of course, a warmonger. This is why we say there is not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrats and Republicans. I strongly urge all warmongers, including Pat Kincaid, to immediately volunteer to go to Afghanistan where she can match her stupidity against the various warmongering tribes of Afganistan, sometimes called the Taliban, sometimes called the Northern Alliance. If the military won't take her, I am sure one of the capitalist newspapers will let her be their journalist. In whatever capacity she can get herself on board this latest warmonger Christian Crusade , I strongly urge Pat Kincaid to go to where she will feel most comfortable, as part of a war effort to defend war, racism and the death penalty. Since she will be leaving the land of hamburgers and milkshakes for a desperately poor country, perhaps she will had the good sense to bring her own. Oh, but I forgot, there is not much electricity, refrigeration or fresh water in Afghanistan. Oh well, that's life at war. It's time all the warmongers go to the front with all deliberate speed.

This war in Afghanistan is complicated in that there are so many factions and all the armed groups are detestable, including the US.
US propaganda and media whitewashing of the human suffering caused by American foreign policy produces vicious cretins like Pat and Dan who cheer on the slaughter thousands of miles away, certain that they are on the right side of history. Listening to them -- Pat's unvarnished enthusiasm for more Daisycutters and Danny's frothing at the mouth about the need to bomb mosques etc -- does anyone wonder why there are people in this world who feel impelled to attack Americans? In a real sense, people like Pat and Dan are the reason why Americans are now being targeted.
Despite the incessant propaganda blitz that we're subjected to, occasionally some real reporting on events in Afghanistan slips through. Earlier today I was flipping through a Wall Street Journal from a couple weeks ago and found a report from Makaki refugee camp in southern Afghanistan where Afghans fleeing US bombs had -- and possibly still are -- shacked up. It quoted a man named Abdulaziz who had arrived with six families after twenty days on the move: "We don't believe America. The people are the target. For every two Taliban they kill they kill twenty of us. The Taliban have plenty to eat, food flows to their camps just fine, but the people go hungry."
Even more poignant was this passage:
"Many told desperate stories. One man said his village near the Taliban stronghold of Kandahar had been attacked five times by US planes. One bomb had destroyed his house, he said, collapsing a mud brick wall on his twelve year old son and burying him for about an hour. The boy now appears to be mentally deranged, spending his time wordlessly scanning the skies as if fearing a new attack."
Patty and Danny: why don't you pay some respect and at least think of that little boy huddled in the cold with little to eat the next time you begin whipping yourselves into a high state of arousal at the thought of more bombs.
Thanks scum.

Pat, can you explain how the Taliban should provide such proof? Let me guess ... submit the tapes to CNN! Or maybe they should send them to the Pentagon, who will dutifully report them verbatim to the American public?

Sorry. The US Government has a long history of denying and covering up US/civilian casualities. This fact cannot be denied, nor can any argumentation be given why this time would be different.

Danny, your pathetic attempt to "figure out" what people on this site think would be helped out a lot more if you asked more questions instead of posting your idiotic assumptions. But you aren't here to learn anything, are you?

To D&P,
You're joking right? How about the same way they are showing civilian casualties? A videotape, a dog-tag, a finger. A shred of clothing. They have produced a grand total of 1 helicopter wheel - consistent with what the Pentagon has said happened.

I'm sorry to disappoint you all - but so far there is no evidence that Americans have been killed in action.

I would hate to be your shrink, or love to be your priest - the less evidence of something, the more belief you have in it. Total absence of proof is taken as total confirmation.

As suggestions for service, unfortunately I'm a little old for recruitment, however tomorrow morning I am working the graveyard shift for Ground Zero relief stuff. You are welcome to join.

lands on Pat's head.

Pat, evidence? You really want to bring up evidence?

Like the "super secret Osama did it" evidence that a handful of powerful white men have seen but no one else? The evidence that no one has seen but is the presupposition for every comment you or Jon or Danny make on this site?

Of course I don't know about all the super-secret evidence either, but based on Bin-Laden's own statements, (both urging such attacks, and praising them), the testimony and convictions secured in the previous WTC bombing, as well as the Embassy bombings, the attempt a few years ago to fly a plane into the Eifel Tower, as well as the m.o. of these attacks - I'm more than convinced. Of course, if you don't want to be convinced, you can join O.J. in his hunt for the 'real killers'.

Besides, Does Bin-Laden act like a guy who didn't do this? What do you think all those camps in Afghanistan were there for - Boy Scouts? What other meaning do those videotapes he made convey - or the very fact that he made them?

It's interesting how the Palestininans and others, seem to have little doubt that he did it - while simultaneously denying it.

It reminds me of those 'revisionist historians', who while denying the existence of the Holocaust, say with a smirk that they sure wished it had happened.

Lastly, to 'anon', your statement speaks for itself.

PBK

pat, your arguments on these boards are so transparent. you dont dialogue, you have a contrarian viewpoint which shows such a heavy bias. you will respond to a lengthy article with a quick undeveloped response. it really shows.

you should just know that as someone who never comments but reads indymedia every day, i never respect what you have to say, based on the way that you say it.

When someone shows proof of a single U.S. soldier killed in Afghanistan (let alone 35), I'll add to this thread, 'til then, I'm done.

PBK

All these anti self-defense cowards are forming prayer groups at this moment, begging their gods US soldiers, hopefully exactly 35 or more are killed today.
Moronic fools who wouild not come to the aid of a sister or mother or neighbor or stranger being beat or raped or mugged. They respond to any true strength or bravery as a cat would respond to a hot tin roof.
Its not war or America or the US government they are against. Its strength they hate. Somewhere in there past they were made to feel weak and useless and theyve now dedicated there lives to justifying that feeling.
As much as they claim to disagree with US actions against osamatalibanalqada, they say nothing about disageeing with the deaths of citizens in the attacks of sept 11th.
They find heroes in the leagues of muslim terrorists. They saw weakness rise like strength and applaud it by there defense of it.
Notice still they will not condemn the actions against US citizens. They will not condemn osama or the taliban or al qada. They are clear in there support for any action against US ciizens.
The US was brutally attacked by muslim terrorists hiding within our borders, now these anti self-defense cowards continue where the terrorists left off with one strong distinction. These boys and girls on this board are cowards who would rather hide there faces and use incomplete names for fear they may be spotted by a neighbor or family member or friend. The hijackers had nothing to live for. These cowards live for nothing. Trapped by fear they come here to feel strength. All because a bully took there lunch money or some such thing. A bully tried to take my lunch money once. Tried. Once.

If I were hiding I might not use my full name. If I had chosen to live my life on my knees as you have, I might be concerned about a diminished field of view, as you are. Cheering bombs falling on the other side of the globe is'nt very fun though because the DOD news site hasnt published many BDA photos lately.
I'm not really "astute, critical-minded, and fearless" as you said. I'm sort of the opposite of those things. Though I did not choose to be and have tried forever to change these facts with no success.
I've never read a word of Nietsche and Ive never traveled with a herd. I dont believe I am a "moron jack-ass brain-dead asshole". But you arent the first person to sling that at me. "Dannychild" is so cute. I wish I could fit that on my license plate.
"You could begin to redeem (?) yourself ..."
Reedem myself to who ??? You ? You are in favor of actions to kill US citizens. I should seek your redemption ? Ha. Explain to me how killing thousands of American citizens forwards your design of the future of the world ? I may not be very smart aaron. I may not have read the books you would suggest. But I know what courage and bravery are. And you dont seem to find these characteristics important or usefull. Hiding behind one false name as you do.
Two americans died on the ground in Konduz. How freeaking happy are you ? Wake up the kids, ring the neighbors, party in your house tonight.

Hey dan, my name, for what it's worth, really is Aaron. This may be news to you, but sometimes there are reprecussions when one opposes the US government. Like many I know, I have been beaten several times by the cops -- one time quite viciously -- and have been threataned on other occassions for stands I've taken. I've participated in strike actions where rumbles with scabs have occured. I don't consider myself especially brave but nor do I think myself cowardly. Your assertion that those who are opposed to the US bombing the crap out of Afghanistan are, per se, opposed to bravery is, well, asinine. Have you ever been physically attacked by cops for waving a flag? Have your hum-drum, made for TV, opinions ever gotten you thrown in jail? Have you ever been attacked by red-necks for espousing the courageous view that Afghanistan should be bombed to smithereens? Thought not.
Besides feeling that it's not necessary to give my last name, my other primary reason for not divulging such info is because there are violent patriots who, like yourself, proudly (courageously?) possess firearms and -- particularly given the fact that I have a baby girl -- I see no point in unnecessarily risking retribution. I'll take such risks on my own terms, thanks.
And, for the record, I thought the WTC and Pentagon attacks were despicable and don't relish the thought of working class recruits being slaughtered in Afghanistan.

Well, Danny... people have requested your real name and address any number of times in reply to your pathetic online message board threats. You don't seem to ever post it, though. Pathetic.

Aaron I understand your desire to protect your daughter. If I had a child I would not publish my full name. The courage I have for my beliefs is mine. I would not inflict it on innocents who might be targeted for my views. I do understand Aaron. Good job sir.
Ive seen no call for me to publish here my addresss. None.

Now you have.

Either publish your address or quit threatening people on this BBS. It is pathetic, you gutless wonder.

Let me examine your post:
"DANNY PUBLISH YOUR
by klkjlk November 26 2001, Mon, 9:18am

Now you have.

Either publish your address or quit threatening people on this BBS. It is pathetic, you gutless wonder. "

Searched your name with the search feature to find youve never posted a response or a story here.

Searched all my own responses to find zero threats to anyone made by me.

What is it you hope to accomplish by allowing me to "threaten" others only if you have my street address ?

"It" is pathetic. What is pathetic ?

"Gutless wonder" Bet ya wouldnt say that to my face. Unless pain is your high.

Examine me people. Where did I say I'd give my address.

"Bet ya wouldnt say that to my face. Unless pain is your high."

Well let's find out. Where? When?
See: gutless wonder

Back it down a notch anon. Youre a work of art in html. I feel meat space must not be serving you well.
You call me out. How laughable.

I understand Nessie that this war has nothing to do with you. I should be less critical of your posts. I have a lot of family in the US military. I believe strongly in the US action ongoing. We are opposed you and I.
It is a tiny bit disturbing to me that some may take your posts seriously to heart though. You have constructed an alternate reality based entirely on fiction. You layer so many conspirqacy theories on top of one another, till its really hard to recognize theres a human behind youre words.
I have neither the time or energy to commit to youre righteous farse.
Any disagreement with you is considered by you to be the product of stupidity. Thats fine. You accuse me of the same I am sure. An unverified truth to you is a verification of all that is false. Thats just silly. That you stand upon multiple layers of these illusions makes you seem nonhuman. I need to fix that with myself.
Peace all.

Danny, apparently you have all the time in the world to sit on this site, read countless messages, still not understand, then post rambling bullshit for the next 3 hours. What would it take for you to drop years of brainwashing and consider seeing why this war is bullshit?

I think you just need some "familiar faces" like Peter Jennings or Dan Rather to tell you before you will even begin to think otherwise. That's sad.

I said I would post when there was a confirmed U.S. combat casualty.

There is one now - a CIA officer killed during the prison fighting.

PK