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Northern Alliance = Rapists and Murderers

by gee
Gee, once again the U$A funds and supports rapists, murderers and terrorists. Have we learned our lesson yet?
The Scotsman – 12 November 2001

Are these rapists any better than the hard-liners they replace?

EVERYONE appears pretty jubilant. Yesterday’s Sunday Times carried the headline: "Britain and US urge jubilant Alliance to march on Kabul". Forgive me if I am unable to share the joy.

True, I left Afghanistan just after the Taleban came to power in 1996 because it was impossible to live there as a woman.

But installing the Northern Alliance is hardly going to repair everything at a stroke. I remember the day that Northern Alliance - called mujahideen at the beginning - came to Kabul. Everybody was frightened.

It wasn’t just their wild behaviour. It was their attitude to the whole city.

The mujahideen had just defeated Najibullah, the former president of Afghanistan. They took over Kabul in 1992. First, they started to rob houses and take control of property. They were not answerable to anyone.

Whatever they wanted, they just took.

People in the West suppose that the Northern Alliance, made up of many of the mujahideen, treat women in Afghanistan with respect. They don’t. Even in the areas it controls, women must stay at home and have no education.

But the worst thing was that as soon as they took over, they began raping women , looting houses and killing people. They are no freedom-fighters.

One of my friend’s sisters was raped by soldiers of the mujahideen.

They dropped her off in the early morning behind the Ministry of Education building. The victim’s father and sister were working there. They were so shocked they couldn’t touch her. Their sorrow and grief was so deep it made them leave the job.

Hundreds of young women and girls were throwing themselves from windows to escape.

I am very sure that no Afghan wants these Northern Alliance rebels to take control of Kabul. They were the people that brought the bloodshed to Kabul, killing people who they thought were communists or Pushtun and so on.

The Taleban were awful as well. Many of them were foreigners, but at least they were not raping women.

The mujahideen killed one of my father’s friends because he was a general and because he was Pushtun and they were mostly Uzbek.

They took people’s property and married every beautiful woman and girl. They scattered people from their homes and country.

I lived through hell for about four years. I was a young girl, a teacher. I couldn’t go to my job and relax. For the first three months I didn’t go out, for fear something might happen.

I always wondered how I would kill myself if these wild people came to our house. Should I use my father’s gun? A knife? Or should I throw myself from the third floor?

People are angry about the World Trade Centre, but they must not allow the Northern Alliance to come to Kabul in the same way as they did in 1992 bringing all those horrors. They may not be the Taleban, but that does not mean they are any better.


Bija Masafer
Monday, 12th November 2001
The Scotsman
by jeff
Calling an entire society "murderers and rapists" is not very intelligent, and smacks of inflammatory fascism.

It's like if I said "all Afghans are stupid or evil". That wouldn't be true would it?

So, we are using a lessor of two evils to accomplish our aims, which is to save American lives in the conflict in Afghanistan and wipe out the anti-civilization terrorist bastards and their hosts.

Everything is relative in this world-- if you think one society is wholesale more "just" than another, you're just making stereotypic generalizations.
by dumb amerikkkan
the northern alliance is a society now? but let me guess, al-Qaeda is a terrorist network. the northern alliance is a military faction broken off from a larger military organization funded and supported by your U.S. tax dollars. they are not a "society" or a "culture" in and of themselves. they are an occupying army, and one which we are using to bomb the fuck out of innocent people. get your facts straight.
by aaron
Jeff, you're clearly dumb as a stump, but could you explain to us what exactly is inflammatory fascism? Is it worse than regular fascism?
And while your at it please explain the upside of the Northern Alliance "society" in light of the fact that it killed approximately 25,000 people, engaged in mass rape, heroin marketing, and widespread criminality when it controlled Kabul between 1992-96.
Thanks for your time, shit-for-brains.
by Jeff
mass rape, occupation, widespread criminality...I thought for a second you were talking about the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait.

But, ok-- the point here is that you are using the same labels to villify the Northern Alliance as are commonly used to villify the Taleban-- so which is worse? Do tell.

Occupying army? I thought they were "resistance fighters". Well, I guess Palestinians are an occupying army too, according to your math.

Finally, name one army that is or has not been somehow "funded" by US tax dollars. It's the argument that is used time and again to blame and lay guilt on the US for all evil acts in the world committed by others.

Yep, I'm dumb as a stump. LET'S ROLL BABY!! Bring out more a them daisycutters! YEAH!
by fukt
Jeff, your frustrated attempts to make a point are rooted in your deep misunderstanding of what people are talking about on this site. Your CNN-addled mind is incapable of handling anything more complex than "GOOD! EVIL!"

The Taliban are not good. The Northern Alliance are not good. The U.S. military is not good. It is possible to be opposed to all 3. All 3 are murderers, rapists and terrorists. Get it?
by Jeff
But, you still didn't answer my question.. which is worse?

Does the US need to retreat into a little shell because we shouldn't deal with unpleasant people? Should we not do anything to protect our intersts because we ourselves are bad people?

Or, do we pick the avenue that serves our own interests, and is the lessor of evils toward achieving the goal of erradicating those that would destroy us--and at the same time aspiring to the greater good, the desire for human rights, food, shelter and freedom that all people of the world strive for?

These are the questions the country answered nearly unanimously a few months ago. You seem to have a problem grasping the nuances.
by #12
what is worse? close minded americans who support the evil for which the hate so.

what is worse? the us vs. them attitude of the american bad ass. as if we deserve to sit high on a pedestal while the rest of the world grovels at our feet to serve our interest.

the writer of this article was sharing some first hand knowledge of the northern alliance and you turn it into a flag waving speech. for shame.

good one jeff.
by hi5
Not one of the terrorists was an afghan-- 15 were Saudis as well as Osama. If the US was truly interested in justice they would be bombing the Saudi monarchy as they are the ones (along with Saudi businessmen) who have been funding the Al Queda network. But the reality is Saudi oil relations more much more important than justice.
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