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A Just Cause, Not a Just War
The September 11 attack constitutes a
crime against humanity and cannot be justified, and the bombing of Afghanistan is also a crime, which cannot
be justified.
crime against humanity and cannot be justified, and the bombing of Afghanistan is also a crime, which cannot
be justified.
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A Just Cause, Not a Just War
by Howard Zinn
I believe two moral judgments can be made about the present "war": The September 11 attack constitutes a
crime against humanity and cannot be justified, and the bombing of Afghanistan is also a crime, which cannot
be justified.
And yet, voices across the political spectrum, including many on the left, have described this as a "just war."
One longtime advocate of peace, Richard Falk, wrote in The Nation that this is "the first truly just war since
World War II." Robert Kuttner, another consistent supporter of social justice, declared in The American
Prospect that only people on the extreme left could believe this is not a just war.
I have puzzled over this. How can a war be truly just when it involves the daily killing of civilians, when it
causes hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children to leave their homes to escape the bombs, when
it may not find those who planned the September 11 attacks, and when it will multiply the ranks of people who
are angry enough at this country to become terrorists themselves?
This war amounts to a gross violation of human rights, and it will produce the exact opposite of what is wanted:
It will not end terrorism; it will proliferate terrorism.
I believe that the progressive supporters of the war have confused a "just cause" with a "just war." There are
unjust causes, such as the attempt of the United States to establish its power in Vietnam, or to dominate
Panama or Grenada, or to subvert the government of Nicaragua. And a cause may be just--getting North Korea
to withdraw from South Korea, getting Saddam Hussein to withdraw from Kuwait, or ending terrorism--but it
does not follow that going to war on behalf of that cause, with the inevitable mayhem that follows, is just.
The stories of the effects of our bombing are beginning to come through, in bits and pieces. Just eighteen days
into the bombing, The New York Times reported: "American forces have mistakenly hit a residential area in
Kabul." Twice, U.S. planes bombed Red Cross warehouses, and a Red Cross spokesman said: "Now we've got
55,000 people without that food or blankets, with nothing at all."
An Afghan elementary school-teacher told a Washington Post reporter at the Pakistan border: "When the
bombs fell near my house and my babies started crying, I had no choice but to run away."
A New York Times report: "The Pentagon acknowledged that a Navy F/A-18 dropped a 1,000-pound bomb on
Sunday near what officials called a center for the elderly. . . . The United Nations said the building was a military
hospital. . . . Several hours later, a Navy F-14 dropped two 500-pound bombs on a residential area northwest of
Kabul." A U.N. official told a New York Times reporter that an American bombing raid on the city of Herat had
used cluster bombs, which spread deadly "bomblets" over an area of twenty football fields. This, the Times
reporter wrote,"was the latest of a growing number of accounts of American bombs going astray and causing
civilian casualties."
An A.P. reporter was brought to Karam, a small mountain village hit by American bombs, and saw houses
reduced to rubble. "In the hospital in Jalalabad, twenty-five miles to the east, doctors treated what they said
were twenty-three victims of bombing at Karam, one a child barely two months old, swathed in bloody
bandages," according to the account. "Another child, neighbors said, was in the hospital because the bombing
raid had killed her entire family. At least eighteen fresh graves were scattered around the village."
The city of Kandahar, attacked for seventeen straight days, was reported to be a ghost town, with more than
half of its 500,000 people fleeing the bombs. The city's electrical grid had been knocked out. The city was
deprived of water, since the electrical pumps could not operate. A sixty-year-old farmer told the A.P. reporter,
"We left in fear of our lives. Every day and every night, we hear the roaring and roaring of planes, we see the
smoke, the fire. . . . I curse them both--the Taliban and America."
A New York Times report from Pakistan two weeks into the bombing campaign told of wounded civilians
coming across the border. "Every half-hour or so throughout the day, someone was brought across on a
stretcher. . . . Most were bomb victims, missing limbs or punctured by shrapnel. . . . A young boy, his head and
one leg wrapped in bloodied bandages, clung to his father's back as the old man trudged back to Afghanistan."
That was only a few weeks into the bombing, and the result had already been to frighten hundreds of
thousands of Afghans into abandoning their homes and taking to the dangerous, mine-strewn roads. The "war
against terrorism" has become a war against innocent men, women, and children, who are in no way
responsible for the terrorist attack on New York.
And yet there are those who say this is a "just war."
Terrorism and war have something in common. They both involve the killing of innocent people to achieve what
the killers believe is a good end. I can see an immediate objection to this equation: They (the terrorists)
deliberately kill innocent people; we (the war makers) aim at "military targets," and civilians are killed by
accident, as "collateral damage."
Is it really an accident when civilians die under our bombs? Even if you grant that the intention is not to kill
civilians, if they nevertheless become victims, again and again and again, can that be called an accident? If the
deaths of civilians are inevitable in bombing, it may not be deliberate, but it is not an accident, and the bombers
cannot be considered innocent. They are committing murder as surely as are the terrorists.
The absurdity of claiming innocence in such cases becomes apparent when the death tolls from "collateral
damage" reach figures far greater than the lists of the dead from even the most awful act of terrorism. Thus,
the "collateral damage" in the Gulf War caused more people to die--hundreds of thousands, if you include the
victims of our sanctions policy--than the very deliberate terrorist attack of September 11. The total of those who
have died in Israel from Palestinian terrorist bombs is somewhere under 1,000. The number of dead from
"collateral damage" in the bombing of Beirut during Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982 was roughly 6,000.
We must not match the death lists--it is an ugly exercise--as if one atrocity is worse than another. No killing of
innocents, whether deliberate or "accidental," can be justified. My argument is that when children die at the
hands of terrorists, or--whether intended or not--as a result of bombs dropped from airplanes, terrorism and
war become equally unpardonable.
Let's talk about "military targets." The phrase is so loose that President Truman, after the nuclear bomb
obliterated the population of Hiroshima, could say: "The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped
on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the
killing of civilians."
What we are hearing now from our political leaders is, "We are targeting military objectives. We are trying to
avoid killing civilians. But that will happen, and we regret it." Shall the American people take moral comfort from
the thought that we are bombing only "military targets"?
The reality is that the term "military" covers all sorts of targets that include civilian populations. When our
bombers deliberately destroy, as they did in the war against Iraq, the electrical infrastructure, thus making
water purification and sewage treatment plants inoperable and leading to epidemic waterborne diseases, the
deaths of children and other civilians cannot be called accidental.
Recall that in the midst of the Gulf War, the U.S. military bombed an air raid shelter, killing 400 to 500 men,
women, and children who were huddled to escape bombs. The claim was that it was a military target, housing
a communications center, but reporters going through the ruins immediately afterward said there was no sign of
anything like that.
I suggest that the history of bombing--and no one has bombed more than this nation--is a history of endless
atrocities, all calmly explained by deceptive and deadly language like "accident," "military targets," and "collateral
damage."
Indeed, in both World War II and in Vietnam, the historical record shows that there was a deliberate decision to
target civilians in order to destroy the morale of the enemy--hence the firebombing of Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo,
the B-52s over Hanoi, the jet bombers over peaceful villages in the Vietnam countryside. When some argue that
we can engage in "limited military action" without "an excessive use of force," they are ignoring the history of
bombing. The momentum of war rides roughshod over limits.
The moral equation in Afghanistan is clear. Civilian casualties are certain. The outcome is uncertain. No one
knows what this bombing will accomplish--whether it will lead to the capture of Osama Bin Laden (perhaps), or
the end of the Taliban (possibly), or a democratic Afghanistan (very unlikely), or an end to terrorism (almost
certainly not).
And meanwhile, we are terrorizing the population (not the terrorists, they are not easily terrorized). Hundreds of
thousands are packing their belongings and their children onto carts and leaving their homes to make dangerous
journeys to places they think might be more safe.
Not one human life should be expended in this reckless violence called a "war against terrorism."
We might examine the idea of pacifism in the light of what is going on right now. I have never used the word
"pacifist" to describe myself, because it suggests something absolute, and I am suspicious of absolutes. I want
to leave openings for unpredictable possibilities. There might be situations (and even such strong pacifists as
Gandhi and Martin Luther King believed this) when a small, focused act of violence against a monstrous,
immediate evil would be justified.
In war, however, the proportion of means to ends is very, very different. War, by its nature, is unfocused,
indiscriminate, and especially in our time when the technology is so murderous, inevitably involves the deaths of
large numbers of people and the suffering of even more. Even in the "small wars" (Iran vs. Iraq, the Nigerian
war, the Afghan war), a million people die. Even in a "tiny" war like the one we waged in Panama, a thousand
or more die.
Scott Simon of NPR wrote a commentary in The Wall Street Journal on October 11 entitled, "Even Pacifists
Must Support This War." He tried to use the pacifist acceptance of self-defense, which approves a focused
resistance to an immediate attacker, to justify this war, which he claims is "self-defense." But the term
"self-defense" does not apply when you drop bombs all over a country and kill lots of people other than your
attacker. And it doesn't apply when there is no likelihood that it will achieve its desired end.
Pacifism, which I define as a rejection of war, rests on a very powerful logic. In war, the means--indiscriminate
killing--are immediate and certain; the ends, however desirable, are distant and uncertain.
Pacifism does not mean "appeasement." That word is often hurled at those who condemn the present war on
Afghanistan, and it is accompanied by references to Churchill, Chamberlain, Munich. World War II analogies are
conveniently summoned forth when there is a need to justify a war, however irrelevant to a particular situation.
At the suggestion that we withdraw from Vietnam, or not make war on Iraq, the word "appeasement" was
bandied about. The glow of the "good war" has repeatedly been used to obscure the nature of all the bad wars
we have fought since 1945.
Let's examine that analogy. Czechoslovakia was handed to the voracious Hitler to "appease" him. Germany
was an aggressive nation expanding its power, and to help it in its expansion was not wise. But today we do
not face an expansionist power that demands to be appeased. We ourselves are the expansionist
power--troops in Saudi Arabia, bombings of Iraq, military bases all over the world, naval vessels on every
sea--and that, along with Israel's expansion into the West Bank and Gaza Strip, has aroused anger.
It was wrong to give up Czechoslovakia to appease Hitler. It is not wrong to withdraw our military from the
Middle East, or for Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories, because there is no right to be there. That is
not appeasement. That is justice.
Opposing the bombing of Afghanistan does not constitute "giving in to terrorism" or "appeasement." It asks that
other means be found than war to solve the problems that confront us. King and Gandhi both believed in
action--nonviolent direct action, which is more powerful and certainly more morally defensible than war.
To reject war is not to "turn the other cheek," as pacifism has been caricatured. It is, in the present instance, to
act in ways that do not imitate the terrorists.
The United States could have treated the September 11 attack as a horrific criminal act that calls for
apprehending the culprits, using every device of intelligence and investigation possible. It could have gone to the
United Nations to enlist the aid of other countries in the pursuit and apprehension of the terrorists.
There was also the avenue of negotiations. (And let's not hear: "What? Negotiate with those monsters?" The
United States negotiated with--indeed, brought into power and kept in power--some of the most monstrous
governments in the world.) Before Bush ordered in the bombers, the Taliban offered to put bin Laden on trial.
This was ignored. After ten days of air attacks, when the Taliban called for a halt to the bombing and said they
would be willing to talk about handing bin Laden to a third country for trial, the headline the next day in The New
York Times read: "President Rejects Offer by Taliban for Negotiations," and Bush was quoted as saying:
"When I said no negotiations, I meant no negotiations."
That is the behavior of someone hellbent on war. There were similar rejections of negotiating possibilities at the
start of the Korean War, the war in Vietnam, the Gulf War, and the bombing of Yugoslavia. The result was an
immense loss of life and incalculable human suffering.
International police work and negotiations were--still are--alternatives to war. But let's not deceive ourselves;
even if we succeeded in apprehending bin Laden or, as is unlikely, destroying the entire Al Qaeda network, that
would not end the threat of terrorism, which has potential recruits far beyond Al Qaeda.
To get at the roots of terrorism is complicated. Dropping bombs is simple. It is an old response to what everyone
acknowledges is a very new situation. At the core of unspeakable and unjustifiable acts of terrorism are
justified grievances felt by millions of people who would not themselves engage in terrorism but from whose
ranks terrorists spring.
Those grievances are of two kinds: the existence of profound misery-- hunger, illness--in much of the world,
contrasted to the wealth and luxury of the West, especially the United States; and the presence of American
military power everywhere in the world, propping up oppressive regimes and repeatedly intervening with force
to maintain U.S. hegemony.
This suggests actions that not only deal with the long-term problem of terrorism but are in themselves just.
Instead of using two planes a day to drop food on Afghanistan and 100 planes to drop bombs (which have
been making it difficult for the trucks of the international agencies to bring in food), use 102 planes to bring food.
Take the money allocated for our huge military machine and use it to combat starvation and disease around the
world. One-third of our military budget would annually provide clean water and sanitation facilities for the billion
people in the world who have none.
Withdraw troops from Saudi Arabia, because their presence near the holy shrines of Mecca and Medina angers
not just bin Laden (we need not care about angering him) but huge numbers of Arabs who are not terrorists.
Stop the cruel sanctions on Iraq, which are killing more than a thousand children every week without doing
anything to weaken Saddam Hussein's tyrannical hold over the country.
Insist that Israel withdraw from the occupied territories, something that many Israelis also think is right, and
which will make Israel more secure than it is now.
In short, let us pull back from being a military superpower, and become a humanitarian superpower.
Let us be a more modest nation. We will then be more secure. The modest nations of the world don't face the
threat of terrorism.
Such a fundamental change in foreign policy is hardly to be expected. It would threaten too many interests: the
power of political leaders, the ambitions of the military, the corporations that profit from the nation's enormous
military commitments.
Change will come, as at other times in our history, only when American citizens-- becoming better informed,
having second thoughts after the first instinctive support for official policy--demand it. That change in citizen
opinion, especially if it coincides with a pragmatic decision by the government that its violence isn't working,
could bring about a retreat from the military solution.
It might also be a first step in the rethinking of our nation's role in the world. Such a rethinking contains the
promise, for Americans, of genuine security, and for people elsewhere, the beginning of hope.
Copyright 2001, The Progressive, Madison, WI
Gavin.
The Cancer Racket Exposed
http://www.cancerinform.freewebsites.com
A Just Cause, Not a Just War
by Howard Zinn
I believe two moral judgments can be made about the present "war": The September 11 attack constitutes a
crime against humanity and cannot be justified, and the bombing of Afghanistan is also a crime, which cannot
be justified.
And yet, voices across the political spectrum, including many on the left, have described this as a "just war."
One longtime advocate of peace, Richard Falk, wrote in The Nation that this is "the first truly just war since
World War II." Robert Kuttner, another consistent supporter of social justice, declared in The American
Prospect that only people on the extreme left could believe this is not a just war.
I have puzzled over this. How can a war be truly just when it involves the daily killing of civilians, when it
causes hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children to leave their homes to escape the bombs, when
it may not find those who planned the September 11 attacks, and when it will multiply the ranks of people who
are angry enough at this country to become terrorists themselves?
This war amounts to a gross violation of human rights, and it will produce the exact opposite of what is wanted:
It will not end terrorism; it will proliferate terrorism.
I believe that the progressive supporters of the war have confused a "just cause" with a "just war." There are
unjust causes, such as the attempt of the United States to establish its power in Vietnam, or to dominate
Panama or Grenada, or to subvert the government of Nicaragua. And a cause may be just--getting North Korea
to withdraw from South Korea, getting Saddam Hussein to withdraw from Kuwait, or ending terrorism--but it
does not follow that going to war on behalf of that cause, with the inevitable mayhem that follows, is just.
The stories of the effects of our bombing are beginning to come through, in bits and pieces. Just eighteen days
into the bombing, The New York Times reported: "American forces have mistakenly hit a residential area in
Kabul." Twice, U.S. planes bombed Red Cross warehouses, and a Red Cross spokesman said: "Now we've got
55,000 people without that food or blankets, with nothing at all."
An Afghan elementary school-teacher told a Washington Post reporter at the Pakistan border: "When the
bombs fell near my house and my babies started crying, I had no choice but to run away."
A New York Times report: "The Pentagon acknowledged that a Navy F/A-18 dropped a 1,000-pound bomb on
Sunday near what officials called a center for the elderly. . . . The United Nations said the building was a military
hospital. . . . Several hours later, a Navy F-14 dropped two 500-pound bombs on a residential area northwest of
Kabul." A U.N. official told a New York Times reporter that an American bombing raid on the city of Herat had
used cluster bombs, which spread deadly "bomblets" over an area of twenty football fields. This, the Times
reporter wrote,"was the latest of a growing number of accounts of American bombs going astray and causing
civilian casualties."
An A.P. reporter was brought to Karam, a small mountain village hit by American bombs, and saw houses
reduced to rubble. "In the hospital in Jalalabad, twenty-five miles to the east, doctors treated what they said
were twenty-three victims of bombing at Karam, one a child barely two months old, swathed in bloody
bandages," according to the account. "Another child, neighbors said, was in the hospital because the bombing
raid had killed her entire family. At least eighteen fresh graves were scattered around the village."
The city of Kandahar, attacked for seventeen straight days, was reported to be a ghost town, with more than
half of its 500,000 people fleeing the bombs. The city's electrical grid had been knocked out. The city was
deprived of water, since the electrical pumps could not operate. A sixty-year-old farmer told the A.P. reporter,
"We left in fear of our lives. Every day and every night, we hear the roaring and roaring of planes, we see the
smoke, the fire. . . . I curse them both--the Taliban and America."
A New York Times report from Pakistan two weeks into the bombing campaign told of wounded civilians
coming across the border. "Every half-hour or so throughout the day, someone was brought across on a
stretcher. . . . Most were bomb victims, missing limbs or punctured by shrapnel. . . . A young boy, his head and
one leg wrapped in bloodied bandages, clung to his father's back as the old man trudged back to Afghanistan."
That was only a few weeks into the bombing, and the result had already been to frighten hundreds of
thousands of Afghans into abandoning their homes and taking to the dangerous, mine-strewn roads. The "war
against terrorism" has become a war against innocent men, women, and children, who are in no way
responsible for the terrorist attack on New York.
And yet there are those who say this is a "just war."
Terrorism and war have something in common. They both involve the killing of innocent people to achieve what
the killers believe is a good end. I can see an immediate objection to this equation: They (the terrorists)
deliberately kill innocent people; we (the war makers) aim at "military targets," and civilians are killed by
accident, as "collateral damage."
Is it really an accident when civilians die under our bombs? Even if you grant that the intention is not to kill
civilians, if they nevertheless become victims, again and again and again, can that be called an accident? If the
deaths of civilians are inevitable in bombing, it may not be deliberate, but it is not an accident, and the bombers
cannot be considered innocent. They are committing murder as surely as are the terrorists.
The absurdity of claiming innocence in such cases becomes apparent when the death tolls from "collateral
damage" reach figures far greater than the lists of the dead from even the most awful act of terrorism. Thus,
the "collateral damage" in the Gulf War caused more people to die--hundreds of thousands, if you include the
victims of our sanctions policy--than the very deliberate terrorist attack of September 11. The total of those who
have died in Israel from Palestinian terrorist bombs is somewhere under 1,000. The number of dead from
"collateral damage" in the bombing of Beirut during Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982 was roughly 6,000.
We must not match the death lists--it is an ugly exercise--as if one atrocity is worse than another. No killing of
innocents, whether deliberate or "accidental," can be justified. My argument is that when children die at the
hands of terrorists, or--whether intended or not--as a result of bombs dropped from airplanes, terrorism and
war become equally unpardonable.
Let's talk about "military targets." The phrase is so loose that President Truman, after the nuclear bomb
obliterated the population of Hiroshima, could say: "The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped
on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the
killing of civilians."
What we are hearing now from our political leaders is, "We are targeting military objectives. We are trying to
avoid killing civilians. But that will happen, and we regret it." Shall the American people take moral comfort from
the thought that we are bombing only "military targets"?
The reality is that the term "military" covers all sorts of targets that include civilian populations. When our
bombers deliberately destroy, as they did in the war against Iraq, the electrical infrastructure, thus making
water purification and sewage treatment plants inoperable and leading to epidemic waterborne diseases, the
deaths of children and other civilians cannot be called accidental.
Recall that in the midst of the Gulf War, the U.S. military bombed an air raid shelter, killing 400 to 500 men,
women, and children who were huddled to escape bombs. The claim was that it was a military target, housing
a communications center, but reporters going through the ruins immediately afterward said there was no sign of
anything like that.
I suggest that the history of bombing--and no one has bombed more than this nation--is a history of endless
atrocities, all calmly explained by deceptive and deadly language like "accident," "military targets," and "collateral
damage."
Indeed, in both World War II and in Vietnam, the historical record shows that there was a deliberate decision to
target civilians in order to destroy the morale of the enemy--hence the firebombing of Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo,
the B-52s over Hanoi, the jet bombers over peaceful villages in the Vietnam countryside. When some argue that
we can engage in "limited military action" without "an excessive use of force," they are ignoring the history of
bombing. The momentum of war rides roughshod over limits.
The moral equation in Afghanistan is clear. Civilian casualties are certain. The outcome is uncertain. No one
knows what this bombing will accomplish--whether it will lead to the capture of Osama Bin Laden (perhaps), or
the end of the Taliban (possibly), or a democratic Afghanistan (very unlikely), or an end to terrorism (almost
certainly not).
And meanwhile, we are terrorizing the population (not the terrorists, they are not easily terrorized). Hundreds of
thousands are packing their belongings and their children onto carts and leaving their homes to make dangerous
journeys to places they think might be more safe.
Not one human life should be expended in this reckless violence called a "war against terrorism."
We might examine the idea of pacifism in the light of what is going on right now. I have never used the word
"pacifist" to describe myself, because it suggests something absolute, and I am suspicious of absolutes. I want
to leave openings for unpredictable possibilities. There might be situations (and even such strong pacifists as
Gandhi and Martin Luther King believed this) when a small, focused act of violence against a monstrous,
immediate evil would be justified.
In war, however, the proportion of means to ends is very, very different. War, by its nature, is unfocused,
indiscriminate, and especially in our time when the technology is so murderous, inevitably involves the deaths of
large numbers of people and the suffering of even more. Even in the "small wars" (Iran vs. Iraq, the Nigerian
war, the Afghan war), a million people die. Even in a "tiny" war like the one we waged in Panama, a thousand
or more die.
Scott Simon of NPR wrote a commentary in The Wall Street Journal on October 11 entitled, "Even Pacifists
Must Support This War." He tried to use the pacifist acceptance of self-defense, which approves a focused
resistance to an immediate attacker, to justify this war, which he claims is "self-defense." But the term
"self-defense" does not apply when you drop bombs all over a country and kill lots of people other than your
attacker. And it doesn't apply when there is no likelihood that it will achieve its desired end.
Pacifism, which I define as a rejection of war, rests on a very powerful logic. In war, the means--indiscriminate
killing--are immediate and certain; the ends, however desirable, are distant and uncertain.
Pacifism does not mean "appeasement." That word is often hurled at those who condemn the present war on
Afghanistan, and it is accompanied by references to Churchill, Chamberlain, Munich. World War II analogies are
conveniently summoned forth when there is a need to justify a war, however irrelevant to a particular situation.
At the suggestion that we withdraw from Vietnam, or not make war on Iraq, the word "appeasement" was
bandied about. The glow of the "good war" has repeatedly been used to obscure the nature of all the bad wars
we have fought since 1945.
Let's examine that analogy. Czechoslovakia was handed to the voracious Hitler to "appease" him. Germany
was an aggressive nation expanding its power, and to help it in its expansion was not wise. But today we do
not face an expansionist power that demands to be appeased. We ourselves are the expansionist
power--troops in Saudi Arabia, bombings of Iraq, military bases all over the world, naval vessels on every
sea--and that, along with Israel's expansion into the West Bank and Gaza Strip, has aroused anger.
It was wrong to give up Czechoslovakia to appease Hitler. It is not wrong to withdraw our military from the
Middle East, or for Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories, because there is no right to be there. That is
not appeasement. That is justice.
Opposing the bombing of Afghanistan does not constitute "giving in to terrorism" or "appeasement." It asks that
other means be found than war to solve the problems that confront us. King and Gandhi both believed in
action--nonviolent direct action, which is more powerful and certainly more morally defensible than war.
To reject war is not to "turn the other cheek," as pacifism has been caricatured. It is, in the present instance, to
act in ways that do not imitate the terrorists.
The United States could have treated the September 11 attack as a horrific criminal act that calls for
apprehending the culprits, using every device of intelligence and investigation possible. It could have gone to the
United Nations to enlist the aid of other countries in the pursuit and apprehension of the terrorists.
There was also the avenue of negotiations. (And let's not hear: "What? Negotiate with those monsters?" The
United States negotiated with--indeed, brought into power and kept in power--some of the most monstrous
governments in the world.) Before Bush ordered in the bombers, the Taliban offered to put bin Laden on trial.
This was ignored. After ten days of air attacks, when the Taliban called for a halt to the bombing and said they
would be willing to talk about handing bin Laden to a third country for trial, the headline the next day in The New
York Times read: "President Rejects Offer by Taliban for Negotiations," and Bush was quoted as saying:
"When I said no negotiations, I meant no negotiations."
That is the behavior of someone hellbent on war. There were similar rejections of negotiating possibilities at the
start of the Korean War, the war in Vietnam, the Gulf War, and the bombing of Yugoslavia. The result was an
immense loss of life and incalculable human suffering.
International police work and negotiations were--still are--alternatives to war. But let's not deceive ourselves;
even if we succeeded in apprehending bin Laden or, as is unlikely, destroying the entire Al Qaeda network, that
would not end the threat of terrorism, which has potential recruits far beyond Al Qaeda.
To get at the roots of terrorism is complicated. Dropping bombs is simple. It is an old response to what everyone
acknowledges is a very new situation. At the core of unspeakable and unjustifiable acts of terrorism are
justified grievances felt by millions of people who would not themselves engage in terrorism but from whose
ranks terrorists spring.
Those grievances are of two kinds: the existence of profound misery-- hunger, illness--in much of the world,
contrasted to the wealth and luxury of the West, especially the United States; and the presence of American
military power everywhere in the world, propping up oppressive regimes and repeatedly intervening with force
to maintain U.S. hegemony.
This suggests actions that not only deal with the long-term problem of terrorism but are in themselves just.
Instead of using two planes a day to drop food on Afghanistan and 100 planes to drop bombs (which have
been making it difficult for the trucks of the international agencies to bring in food), use 102 planes to bring food.
Take the money allocated for our huge military machine and use it to combat starvation and disease around the
world. One-third of our military budget would annually provide clean water and sanitation facilities for the billion
people in the world who have none.
Withdraw troops from Saudi Arabia, because their presence near the holy shrines of Mecca and Medina angers
not just bin Laden (we need not care about angering him) but huge numbers of Arabs who are not terrorists.
Stop the cruel sanctions on Iraq, which are killing more than a thousand children every week without doing
anything to weaken Saddam Hussein's tyrannical hold over the country.
Insist that Israel withdraw from the occupied territories, something that many Israelis also think is right, and
which will make Israel more secure than it is now.
In short, let us pull back from being a military superpower, and become a humanitarian superpower.
Let us be a more modest nation. We will then be more secure. The modest nations of the world don't face the
threat of terrorism.
Such a fundamental change in foreign policy is hardly to be expected. It would threaten too many interests: the
power of political leaders, the ambitions of the military, the corporations that profit from the nation's enormous
military commitments.
Change will come, as at other times in our history, only when American citizens-- becoming better informed,
having second thoughts after the first instinctive support for official policy--demand it. That change in citizen
opinion, especially if it coincides with a pragmatic decision by the government that its violence isn't working,
could bring about a retreat from the military solution.
It might also be a first step in the rethinking of our nation's role in the world. Such a rethinking contains the
promise, for Americans, of genuine security, and for people elsewhere, the beginning of hope.
Copyright 2001, The Progressive, Madison, WI
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jesus christ.
read fucking michael walzer, grotius, vittoria, or any of the major Just War theorists.
killing civilians is perfectly acceptable so long as you aren't explicitly targetting them.
Remember that saying about resorting to personal attacks rather than arguments? Or does that just apply when you are attacked? (smirk)
You're smart enough to realize that their are differant levels to most moral arguments.
"Collateral damage" is just as dead as direct target - that's blindingly obvious.
Jon, in spite of his crude language and too-harsh/too brief message knows that too.
We won't bother discussing various levels of discussion. It looks like you're in a foul mood and throwing stones today.
Take care. Getting close to snowing out here.
Yugoslavia was bombed after it had successfully invaded Croatia, levelling the city of Vukovar, and attacking the very non-strategic tourist destination of Dubrovnik. (This was as the Yugoslav army.) Moving right along the Yugoslav army helps their brother Serbs in Bosnia and over time Radovan Karadzic and Milosevic are flown to Paris! New York! Dayton! for negotiations which result in more killing of the innocent, water and utility lines remaining cut off in the non-Serb territories around Sarajevo, mosques levelled in Banja Luka as if they never exsisted and concentration camps throughout Bosnia.
Stupidly the Bosnian Croats see their slav cousins LITERALLY GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER and decide to start their own campaign, which doesn't last so long but is truly destructive. Meanwhile, Sarajevo keeps on getting sniped at, the Serbs are still blaming the "Turks" for invading 500 years ago and the evil Croats for what they did in WW2. (And did the past evil deeds of the Turks and Croats really warrant the deliberate sniping deaths of children?) But guess what -- we, the west, are still *negotiating* with Radovan and Sloba! In fact we keep negotiating until that gruesome day in July when Dutch "peacekeepers" watch the entire male population of Srebrenica marched out -- some later to be found decaying in mass graves. Thankfully the west pulls their heads out of their rears and decides to put a stop to this sending NATO planes to Bosnia. Eventually this ends the war.
Sloba then decides to finish where he started -- Kosova -- back to the former autonomous region he visited in 89 to assure the Serb minority they will never fall again. Over the years -- during the destruction of Vukovar, the assualt on Sarajevo and the genocide of Srebrenica -- the Albanian majority is continually mistreated, beaten, forbidden from learning in their language and jailed. Throughout the decade of Serb-lead agression on the former states of former Yugoslvia not one bomb has fallen in Serbia until the Lewinsky scandal made the time right. Only I couldn't feel sorry for the arrogant idiots standing on bridges wearing targets...
Too much sadness had past and too many lives were lost in the quest for a greater Serbia. Our hunt for Bin Laden is just not the same...
It drives me nuts when people do that.
Let's compare the 4th largest uniformed army in Europe caught on film for close to a decade (currently with chief inspiration on suicide watch in the Hague) to a non-uniformed group that managed to integrate itself into American society.
Had 9-11 been planned and executed by an obvious "enemy" rather than the shadowy Al-Queda I could support what we are doing in Afghanistan.
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RSVP... TO YOU TOO and UP YOURS
I'M NOT GOING TO THE STUPID GREED PARTY
Just because everyone else is nutS and going...
...and again, sincerely, Thanks...
but UP YOURS... RSVP
For the first and last time I Am NOT GOING TO THE PARTY that's out of control, and on-going around the world... so there... and again... thanks... but up yours... rsvp
There's a party going on in the mountains, in the ocean, under bridges, on roof tops and in office desks, in the woods, and on the desert and in war neighborhoods around the planet.
Are you going... my friend... my enemy... my love ?
There are some more parties studying in the place of high learning... and other people throwing up... talking trash, corrupting governments, drinking beer, falling down, abusing their families, friends destroying the locality, the world, the environment... hiding their fears in party time.
Are you going... to take the children... your umbrella ?
There they are again, in their boats and cars smashing the environment partying around the world. The peoples sub human, man, woman, teaching the children how to... how to what ?
Are you a going... to the party... Human Being ?
I saw some more just today... raping the forest, dumping poison in a clear glass off water for their grandchildren to a drink, carrying weapons of all descriptions... mad as a hornet.
Are you going... how about the mammals and fish, may they go ?
Have you seen the past... are you talking to me ?
I need more money
The dinosaurs were partying around the world, just before they became extinct. They cared not, for the planet, their children's children and now they are gone wild a partying around dinosaur hell.
Are you going... to act stupid and do the worst of things.
Are they friends of yours. Has anyone seen my common sense.
And what about the peoples greedistical party rushing from place to place, here and there, frantically toward self destruction... staying far from themselves... their inner and outer guts.
Are you going... to this sort of collective global suicide party.
It's all the rage you know... party talking BS... with them... those who are peacefully trying... working to change themselves from the inside and quiet children.
Are you going... or not... Earth Citizen
As for me...
I'm not going to this party on the planet or in outer space, or in any other place... it is held...
it sucks love from the planet,
and again... Thanks for the Invitation...
but NO I'm not going
and for the next to the last time,
Up Yours... RSVP
however, it is interesting how both mr. zinn and nessie completely skirted around the issue i brought up.
civilians ALWAYS die in war, this is almost a constant in the history of warfare that exists with very few exceptions, most of them in times long past.
thus, when people came up with theories of a "just war" and int'l law regulating the use of force, they understood that civilians will die, and what they should do is to try to limit this number.
the US is doing exactly that right now and has been following this trend for the past decade or two. most of the high tech-gizmos used by the US military have two main purposes, to keep US soldiers alive and to avoid hurting civilians.
key players in just war theory like michael walzer will all agree that it isn't how many civilians you kill in war that matters, but rather how much of a reasonable effort you make to avoid doing so.
moral absolutists like nessie cannot understand that and believe that life is free from hard choices and compromises. that is perhaps why people of her type are so prone to fall into authoritarianism and absolutism since they believe that they are in possession of some ultimate truth which must then be striven for at all costs.
some day hopefully people are going to see the stupidity and the uselessness of war.
For starters, as I read through the above posts I noted someone commenting that if the attackers of Sept 11 had been a uniformed military, our response would be justified, but since they were terrorist with no State we should not have responded the way we did. Anyone that has had contact with the Taliban or Al Queda (the trong arm of the Taliban military in Afghanistan) knows they do not wear uniforms in the since of other organized militaries of the world. So, the uniformed military comment is not ground for questioning the justification of the actions taken by the US. Al Queda, in and of itself is infact a (para)military organization with the mission of detroying all non-muslims in the world. Their mission has nothing to do with governments or militaries, it is based on religion and dates back to the Crusades.
As for collateral damage, it happens and no matter how careful the fighting force is, it will happen. In mapping disease, lines are drawn to difine an area where the vectors are located. Unfortunately, the vector doesn't pay attention to lines on a map and occassionally, a person is infected outside the area. So, civilians are like the vectors, they don't know where the lines are and venture over them, the result is casualties. And yes, there are the cases of errant bombs. Much of this can be attributed to human error with technologically advanced tools. In a nutshell, when coordinates are entered in a computer, if the mapping program in the computer used a different georeference than the map being used on the ground the impact of the bomb will be off, this can cause civilian or friendly casualties. This pretty much covers both the collateral damage and the unintentional bombing of civilians. Collateral damage happens, but the military does their best to avoid it if possible.
Now for flor's comment. I hate to say it, but I feel completely justified in taking another life when it is in self defense. I also feel justified when it is defense of a patient or weaker person. We all have a right to live or survive is how you put it. You can't survive if you don't invoke your right to self defense.
Nessie, call Aaron, the two of you can start with your usual rhetoric now that I have posted a comment again.
I do not like him, bin Laden.
I hope he didn't escape our hand,
in that f*cking caravan
whilst the liberals debate our plan.
"Collateral damage! no, no my man
For shame you even think it's grande!"
"Turn your cheek and understand
Tis, God's will to love thy fellow man
Even in when kicked square in your can."
I hope you know and you can see
Why you should be just like me
See I don't like the taliban,
I do not like them Sam I am.
Ok, Dr. Seuss gets credit for the last line.
The State of the Union address, in which Bush called Iran, Iraq, and North Korea an "axis of evil" that was threatening to the United States, seemed to awaken activists who had been in line with military strategy thus far, believing that attacks on the Taliban and Al Qaeda terror network were justified as retribution.
A curious view, this, in which military action is justified for "retribution," but America is obliged to keep its head in the sand regarding potential threats such as Iraq's development of nuclear weapons.
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/078/metro/Peace_activists_report_a_surge_of_new_support+.shtml
We did that, and now 300 - sorry, 3000 - people are dead. It's was a lovely idea while it lasted, though. Thanks for all of the help.
We did that, and now 300 - sorry, 3000 - people are dead. It's was a lovely idea while it lasted, though. Thanks for all of the help.
If Iraq develops nuclear weapons, 3000 civilians will be a drop in the bucket.