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Rambo: Working with al-Qaeda Terrorist Network?

by john rambo anarchist defense collective
save john rambo's reputation!
Rambo: True American Patriot ...
so why is he fighting alongside the al-qaeda terrorists?
by the john rambo anarchist defense collective


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John Rambo poses for a picture at a Mujahadeen/al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan.
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A scene from Rambo III.
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Remember this Rambo III arcade game for the Sinclair Spectrum? I would hate to think we were playing as an al-Qaeda terrorist in this innocent children\'s game!
In 1988, the same year the al-Qaeda network was founded by Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, millions of Americans were cheering on John Rambo as he fought alongside these terrorists!

Rambo: First Blood Part III begins with Rambo minding his own business in a Buddhist monastery, dedicating his life to peace and spiritual harmony. Then his old friend Colonel Trautman comes by, and invites Rambo on yet another exciting U.S. Special Forces mission. The deal is, smuggle Stinger missiles into Afghanistan to deliver to mujahadeen (or al-Qaeda) terrorists, but if you get caught, you\'re on your own because the U.S. government will deny any knowledge of the incident. Rambo says no. So Col. Trautman goes by himself and ends up getting captured by the evil Russian army. Rambo decides to go rescue his friend, so he goes to Afghanistan and fights alongside the mujahadeen freedom fighters.

Now we are being told that these same freedom fighters are terrorists, and that anyone who supports or arms terrorists is considered an enemy of the United States. Are we to deduce that Rambo is an enemy of the United States??

Or even Col. Trautman, whose loyalty and service to the United States has never been questioned?

As a group of people who have fought for POW and MIA rights in this country, we are outraged that the mujahadeen freedom fighters are now being labeled "terrorists"! This is a discredit to John Rambo and everything that he stands for --- a real American patriot!

Is Rambo a terrorist? Is Rambo going to be charged with providing "material support to terrorists"? Col. Trautman went on a mission to deliver them with Stinger missiles --- that\'s surely "material support"!

This confusing and shadowy U.S. government position is a disgrace to the men and women who have been forced into terrible wars by the government. We demand that either the mujahadeen and other freedom fighter armies are cleared of the horrible terrorist acts that happened in our country, or that people like Ronald Reagan and then-CIA Director William Webster also be counted as "providing material support to terrorists"!

We also demand that corporate media spent their enormous resources digging into this story, discovering why the U.S. government would arm terrorists, and reporting this much-needed info to the American people. There are many U.S. veterans who cannot support this war until this matter is cleared up, publicly, on television, for all Americans to see and understand.

- john rambo anarchist defense collective

(we also call for the eradication of organized gangs of drug dealers, weapons traders, and business leaders operating under the guise of law, to be replaced by decentralized, community-controlled zones of participatory, non-hierarchal democracy)



by Cap'n America
Since you were probably in pampers when the U.S. was "arming terrorists" let me explain this as simply as possible.

There once was a horrible, stupid bunch of fuckers called the U.S.S.R. They were running around killing Afghans, because they were evil bastards. So the U.S., and other countries which were fucking saintly in comparisson armed Afghans to give them half a chance against what Reagan rightly called an "evil empire."

Bin Laden was a rich little buttwad who came along with his daddy's money and raised up an army to satisfy his sick fantasies...or whatever the fuck.

Bin Laden had his own money, and his own agenda, which is to spread evil and chaos throughout the world. The U.S. wanted to do the right thing and had the peace and stability of this region foremost in mind. There is really no connection between the two.

The U.S. is NOT to blame for every damn thing that ever went wrong in the world. If you follow that line of thought, you are just as stupid as the people on the other side of the equation who think that the U.S. is always right.

What is right and just is that the shitheads who attacked us must pay. If you blame Reagan, or Hollywood, or anything American for the choice these evil fuckers made, then you are a sub-normal jackass.

Out.
by commando
and in all of this fighting and bombing and arming and terrorism and complexities, you have determined that the united states is *always* right, always forgivable, always rising above in each of these situations, always morally superior to the russians and afghanis and everyone! that is why there are patriots, and there are nationalist warmongers like yourself.

real patriots do not send their countrymen off to die in a meaningless war that exists because of shadowy, undemocratic proxy governments and toppling of other nation's and culture's governments. we learned that in vietnam! if only the millions of dead could rise and tell you how sick you are.
by laffrioter
Somebody call Stallone's agent quick!
by tesserakt
very convincing. i mean, surely this must be flamebait. i just can't bring myself to think that someone out there who is intelligent enough to form complete sentences (note that george w. bush does not meet this criterion) can possibly be this blind to the u.s. role in creating this situation. for the record, on the off chance that you're serious, the only reasons the u.s. was interested in the russian invasion of afghanistan were a) because of its geographical significance to the natural gas and oil interests (source: dept. of energy's energy information administration website, http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/afghan2.html), and b) because we were trying to defeat the u.s.s.r. (common knowledge-- i don't need to cite a source for that, do i?). if it was interested in the actual freedom and democracy of the afghan people, i think it's safe to say that it would have approached the situation much differently. one does not help to build right wing, fundamentalist religious terrorist networks to foster democracy. and yes, the cia knew that's what it was doing. but then, the u.s. has rarely shown much interests in freedom and democracy outside its borders (in places such as such as palestine, iraq, cuba, nicaragua, mexico, angola, etc. ad nauseum). please note, before we get into a "well what about [country/situation name here]" battle, that i said "rarely" not "never."

now, as for the attack on the wtc and pentagon, yes-- that was clearly an atrocity, and it goes without saying that it was a violation of international law. so that's how it should be dealt with. bombs are no good-- not only will they not hit bin laden or for that matter a significant number of other leaders, they will kill civilians. oh, wait-- they already have. and before you say that we're only bombing military targets, i'd like to point out that that was said all along during the gulf war, and was clearly not true at all. i'd also like to point out that taking out the power in kabul was a violation of international law, and will have (probably has had) severe detrimental effects on the civilian population (no juice to run water purification systems, etc). oh, and dropping snackpacks into a minefield-- you do see that that is pure propaganda, right? we are not helping the afghan people in any significant way-- we are bombing their country, we're forcing out legitimate aid organizations, and we're probably going to go down the exact same path that got us into this in the first place-- helping install another brutal military regime as government (the northern alliance, or more correctly, the united front). clearly, we are still not one bit interested in the freedom or democracy of these people. we are interested in revenge and in making the region safe for unocal.

now, as for the inevitable (and quite necessary) question of what the hell we *should* be doing, i think the best answer i've seen so far is here: http://www.indybay.org/display.php?id=105695. i'll leave it at that because not only is it long, but anything i could add to it would just be redundant.
by tesserakt
i suppose i should clarify that my reply is to cap'n america's post. sorry 'bout that...
by tesserakt
ok, my argument doesn't look too good when none of my links work >_<

apparently the code that changes the text into links included the punctuation after them. oops. so, here are those links, in proper form:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/afghan2.html

http://www.indybay.org/display.php?id=105695

ok, i'll be over here.

by Commandante Lucas
You are wrong saying the Soviets started the war. Zbigniew Brezenski, Carter's National Security Adviser recently admitted that the CIA began aiding guerillas in Afghanistan six months BEFORE the Soviets got involved.

The objective?

To bait the Soviets into going to the support of the revolutionary government of Afghanistan in order to create a Soviet version of Vietnam and bleed them dry .

The problem?

Blowback, big time blowback in NYC and at the Pentagon. Way to go CIA.
by Ryan
Actually, the bombing of Afghanistan by the coalition is retribution for the many evils of the Ottoman Empire against the West in the 13th Century. Note: this is before the US existed.

Big time blowback for the Taliban!
by ML
You Mean After We Started The Crusades, Ryan?

Afterall, it is the one who steps up and says it's time to stop this idiocy who is really the biggest and bravest.
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