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"On the 10th the world was a perfect place" UCB Pro-War Rally

by B. Marsh (subbrian3 [at] yahoo.com)
9-24-01 Pro-War Rally on UC Berkeley Campus and Anti-war counter-demonstrators.
9-24-01
UC Berkeley, CA USA

A pro-war “Rally for America” at UC Berkeley’s Sproul Plaza drew several hundred war supporters and an equal number of counter-demonstrators.
The pro-war rally was organized - by individuals from the College Republicans, the Cal Democrats, the Delta Upsilon fraternity and the Israel Action Committee - in response to a March & Rally to Stop the War that took place the previous week.
On Sept.20th over 4000 students and community members rallied on Sproul Plaza - in opposition to racism and war: http://www.indybay.org/display.php?id=104783

Some interesting things were said by those who spoke during the pro-war rally.
My favorite quote of the day:
“…people ate cotton candy, on the 10th the world was a perfect place.”

The stop-the-war demonstrators made their sentiments known through signs and banners and did not try to disrupt the rally with chanting - as pro-war demonstrators had on the 20th. Stop-the-war activists tried to keep a space of ten or fifteen yards between themselves and the pro-war rally.

Shouting and yelling began after a group of people walked away from the pro-war rally and barged into the counter-demonstration, trying to grab a sign and saying they wouldn’t leave until a protest banner was taken down.
A man from the pro-war rally apparently threatened an anti-war person saying that he would be lynched for his stop-the-war stance. When confronted about making a death threat - he said: “I didn’t say that, I said ALL OF YOU ANTI-WAR PEOPLE SHOULD BE LYNCHED!”

Rally speakers were ignored as the crowd focused on several confrontations taking place far from the podium. Heated arguments and conversations continued for several hours after the rally had ended. I don’t think many war-mongers became doves but I hear that a structured debate is being organized - so that a more productive discussion on the issues can take place.

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by Justice
The warmongers can enlist. The Anti-Vietnam War movement was built by the threat of the draft. Middle class students could be drafted if they were not in school fulltime and upon graduation, if they did not go to school fulltime after graduation. When the draft ended in 1973, that was the end of most of the protests against the Vietnam War. The opposition remained among those who benefited least financially from the war and who had the least family wealth, as a general rule, with few exceptions. It was the workingclass who did most of the dying, as is true in all wars, and it was the workingclass who remain the strongest opposed to war. It is always the threat of facing the reality of being killed in a war that ends most of the babble of the warmongers and makes them strong peaceniks. This is not a case for the draft; this is a case for confronting the warmongers with reality. Tell them to enlist if they think dying for a cause is so wonderful. That argument always works.
by anonymous
I was eating lunch on the steps a bit away from the anti-terrorism (not pro-war) demonstration. I don't recall any grabbing of signs or yelling. It might have happened after I left, but the crowd was much smaller then, too. The anti-terrorism turnout looked to be about a third of the anti-war turnout. Not too shabby if you consider the anti-terrorism stance the norm. The speakers were not terribly eloquent, alas.

And from questions I asked people, neither side was too terribly well-informed. Many (on both sides) didn't realize bin Laden had been indicted on previous charges, or that the Taliban had refused to extradite he and his group when offered exactly what they demanded this time. Many (mostly on the anti-terrorism side) didn't realize Afghanistan's tribal makeup, or the length and cost of the USSR's war.
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