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Oakland Police DIDN'T shoot?
by Jacob Crawford
Saturday Feb 23rd, 2013 9:45 AM
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On February 22nd, 2013, OPD, CHP and members of the Alameda Sheriff's Department descended upon an apartment in West Oakland in search of a possibly armed man.

It's happens almost everyday in Oakland. Oakland Police surround a building, in search of someone they claim "may be armed".

On this particular day, the neighborhood was West Oakland, the location was MacArthur Blvd and Market St. As police surrounded the property in question, the man who was inside and distraught, began breaking windows and yelling.

It was the perfect equation for what is known in police circles as "justifiable homicide". If an officer can articulate how they were in "fear for their safety", or the "safety of others", then they know they can shoot with impunity.

To the surprise of onlookers, OPD did not shoot the man. Any guesses as to why?

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by Jacob Crawford Saturday Feb 23rd, 2013 9:45 AM
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by Observed
Saturday Feb 23rd, 2013 12:24 PM
...may be the man didn't force the officers to shoot.

Glad to see there wasn't another "suicide by cop."
by because
Saturday Feb 23rd, 2013 4:18 PM
The police probably didn't shoot, because the suspect didn't shoot at them, didn't point the weapon at them, and probably co-operated with instructions.

Despite what Indybay, the Siegel family, and local activists pump out there, OPD is a very professional organization.
by too many witnesses
Saturday Feb 23rd, 2013 6:08 PM
I suspect that they didn't kill anyone there, because of witnesses and cameras pointed at them.

It certainly has nothing to do with "professionalism". Anyone who still believes that the OPD are the good guys hasn't been paying attention. The feds didn't step in to oversee the department because these cops are such gentle, loving neighbors (in fact most of them don't even live in Oakland!).
by observer
Saturday Feb 23rd, 2013 7:14 PM
OPD confirms shotgun incident & exonerates officer

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2013/02/10/18731758.php


by Cynthia Morse
Sunday Feb 24th, 2013 9:01 AM
It seems to me that the deputies handled this a lot differently than OPD does in similar situations--no angry yelling and threatening; the voice talking to the guy inside was low and calm. Also, officers had their guns pointed at the ground when (I'm pretty sure) the guy was coming out the door. OPD videos show them pointing weapons even when the suspect is unarmed, makes it so easy for a nervous cop with a twitchy trigger finger to kill someone. I think, though, that the most important factor was that the crazy dude was white.
by Oakland Observer
Sunday Feb 24th, 2013 10:25 AM
Maybe the fact that this guy was white was the main factor in why the cops didn't shoot but i doubt it.
After all Eureka cops beat James Cotton , a white homeless man to death a few yrs ago. Also in Fullerton the cops savagely beat a another white homeless guy until he died . And right after Christmas 2012 the Walnut Creek PD shot to death a 22 Italian-American Hairdresser Anthony Banta Jr. in his own apt.
They expect the Public to believe that this very small (120 lbs 5 ft 2in ) man charged down the stairwell with knife in hand 'forcing '' four cops to blow him away !
His family, friends and co workers don't believe it and they have filed a 10 million Federal lawsuit against the PD .
So while no doubt race and nationality is a major factor in cops deciding who to ''stop and frisk '' anyone is in danger when in a encounter with cops . Many of them are dangerous violence prone thugs and the ones that aren't almost always back those that are
No number of naive liberal solutions like ''better'' firearms and diversity training will ever change that . The ONLY thing that can force them to even modify their behavior is mass outrage and action
by Tron
Sunday Feb 24th, 2013 11:24 AM
How many people have they killed over the last few years?
by working man
Sunday Feb 24th, 2013 8:20 PM
I was a witness to this event. There were several reasons the cops didn't shoot the dude. First was that the dude was clearly out of it, shitfaced drunk, breaking windows out of the house he'd half=heartedly barricaded himself in after being surprised by a resident. Initially it was stated that the dude might have been armed, but nobody actually saw any weapon, and once that became clear to OPD, they had all their firearms pointed at the ground. The dude was cooperative with the cops once he recognized that he was trapped. He did everything they said, even going so far as to thank the cops for catching him (as I said, he was totally shitfaced). If he'd been black or latino or queer/trans he still wouldn't have been shot. I hate cops, but most of the time they don't just shoot people for the hell of it. They have to believe it's justified at the time or that it can be justified later. This stand-off, which lasted only about 45 minutes, didn't involve anything that could justify the use of deadly force. Get over yourselves racist-baiters. The cops are assholes enough without needing to add unsubstantiated motives to them.
by please
Sunday Feb 24th, 2013 8:53 PM
first there was the scare-tactic video by Crawford about the drone, which turned out to be wrong, as it wasn't a police drone but it was a private citizen's.

now there is the "why didn't they shoot" scare-tactic video which probably manages to get something wrong.

the cops are terrible, but tabloid journalism with half-truths don't help the cause in exposing police brutality and abuse.