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The San Angelo Witch Hunts

by sd
Why you should care about the raid on the FLDS ranch.
Imagine you live in an apartment complex. Someone calls a tip into the police alleging that a child living in one of the units has been raped. The police respond by surrounding the apartment complex with military vehicles. They storm the complex, remove each and every child from the apartment complex, and put each and every child in foster care. The offense of the parents of these children is that they live in the same apartment complex as a resident accused of child rape by an anonymous party. Next, imagine that the anonymous party's call is a hoax and a Judge refuses to return the children to their parents.

Could this happen in the United States? Well, it already has happened in the United States. Texas Judge Barbara Walther, an apparently heartless person either ignorant of or contemptuous of the Constitution, has done just such a thing in San Angelo, Texas. The victims were the residents of the Yearning For Zion Ranch. The caller was a woman in Colorado with a history of making false accusations and anonymous telephone calls similar to this one. The ranch is a colony, of sorts, for members of the Fundamentalist Later Day Saints, a religious society modeled on the early LDS religion.

"Oh, but they practice polygamy and marry daughters off young!" you protest. Well, the important question should be, "Did they break any laws?" So far, we've seen no evidence that they have broken any laws. Now, perhaps they have broken some laws, but the same could be said of the residents of any apartment complex. Should the police invade all apartment complexes and look for crimes amongst the residents at the slightest prompting by hoaxers? For example, should they invade a building, check all the females for pregnancy, and then order sweeping DNA tests for all residents, keep their families separated in the mean time, and send the children to foster homes?

"But polygamy is illegal!", you protest. Aside from the question of whether it should be illegal, let us remember that not all marriages are recognized by the state. If two people asked a third person to marry them, and the third person had no recognized power to marry, then the state would not recognize that marriage. Moreover, if the the man and woman also do not cohabitate, they will not be considered common law spouses. This appears to be the situation with the FLDS.

Now, in Texas, the age of consent is 17 years old. In Texas, a woman of 16 years of age can marry with her parents' consent. If an FLDS man legally marries a young woman of 16 years of age with her parents' consent, the state should not be able to prosecute that marriage. Following their way of marriage, such a man could then "spiritually marry", thought not recognized by the state, other women 17 years of age or older, without breaking the law. For all we know, each and every marriage at the YFZ meet these criteria.

Now, let us suppose that one or two young women (or even girls) are in such a relationship and are either under the age of consent or not at least 16 and married with their parents' consent. In such a case, the state could prosecute for statutory rape and/or child sexual abuse. Perhaps they suspect one or two such cases. If they do, it would be in the interest of the children to remove those men from contact with all children, try the men for their crimes, and then either punish the men if they are found guilty, or restore them to their families if they are found innocent. It does not, however, either make sense or conform to the law to remove all of these children from the care of all of their parents for no other reason than their beliefs or the fact that some neighbor has broken the law.

My understanding is that some of the families in the YFZ Ranch are monogamous and there is a case of a single mother as well. These people too have had their children removed.

Why should you care? Flash back in time. What does it mean when a government begins to oppress its citizens based on their religion and beliefs? What does it mean when a government displays its willingness to cart people away en masse? What does it mean when the people of a country sit back and let it happen? What is next? Will the come after the children of Muslims? Will they come after the children of anarchists, communists, or objectors to war? You can be confident that when they do, they will do it in the name of the safety and well being of the children.

Oh, the children. How tyrants fawn over children! They drop bombs on them in one place and declare their love for them in another. And so, when these tyrants tell us that it is all about the children we should question their true motivations.

Perhaps you find the lifestyle or beliefs of the FLDS offensive to your sensibilities. Catholic conquistadors thought the same of Native Americans. Invading protestant Puritans thought likewise of the kind locals who shared Thanksgiving with them in Plymouth. Nazis thought similarly about Jews. In all of these cases they knew the majority would turn a blind eye to violations of human rights and genocide, just as Texas knows we will turn a blind eye to the plight of the FLDS.

I am not a member of the FLDS. I am a leftist radical. I care about the FLDS because they are human beings and their rights are being violated. I also care because I cannot avoid the question: "Whose rights next will be disregarded?" You should care too.
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by Blackbane
Outstanding article.

But I will laugh my rump off when they start whipping out their New Hampshire marriage licenses...

457:4 Marriageable. – no female below the age of 13 years shall be capable of contracting a valid marriage

Would explain all those FLDS Texas cars at the FLDS community in New Hampshire over the last several years.
by Barb
There's more to this: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/83517/

The doctrine of placement marriage means that the girls (and most boys) get no choice, and Warren Jeffs lowered the age to about 14. That's several different kinds of rape right there. Anyone who knows about it, facilitates it in any way, or even looks the other way while it takes place is also engaging in criminal behavior. Welfare fraud (a.k.a. 'bleeding the beast') is also some kind of crime. Excessive physical discipline is a crime. So is abandonment of minors and placing them in conditions where their welfare is endangered (without money, education, a place to live, and cutting them off from their former family and friends, i.e. the Lost Boys). Improper euthanasia of pets is at least a misdemeanor. Failure to report births and deaths violates vital statistics laws and hampers criminal investigations and civil actions. Subversion of justice (in Hilldale/Colo City) where the police enforce religious laws and doctors sign women into mental hospitals as a form of discipline.
by Carlo
All of the conditions stated exisrt. Then add that when questioned, no one gave correct names or birthdates. Then lets' suppose that as buildings were searched, the parents would move the children from building to building in an effort to hide the true numbers of children present. Would you still feel the same?
by Jay Beswick
Is this article about what you know or what you believe from being spoon fed small bytes of news????


Warren Jeffs Explaining POLYGAMY

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fbudqrmFSDs

Warren Jeffs #2 Cont. on Polygamy

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RkXA2JxGrJw

Warren Jeffs #3 Continued on Polygamy

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JWzXCdehMI4



The Evil Swept From The Earth Part 2 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v9dvjyOymIU

The Evil Swept part 1 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDsNzzCyCS4

Warren Jeffs Negro Race Part 1 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nSgZzTkYiz4

Part 2 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eVzQZm75Nco

part 3 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nXo8qNxUlCU

part 4 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=L6TNp63ZCZ0

part 5 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BSKHLbxkkec

part 6 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x7YI3Q6U4Bw

part 7 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8GUEpNbPxx4

Interview With Canada Press about Polygamy in Creston

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T2-C44Dz7Sg

Debating the law in Canada with a Journalist there

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TN-yeg9tdHU

Dialog in Utah Setting up a rescue of an underage FLDS runaway

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8USAz0v5g

Attorney General Arizona notified of a 15 year old runaway

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qx38aIhrSw

Text From "In Light & Truth" Chapter 1 on polygamy

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TlRj-et8Cl4

The Marriage Covenant Text

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qTVG0-vN4FY

Entering into Marriage Text

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nQQQN7XDMhI

I have 550 of these cassettes, each could make 6 or more YouTube Video's or about 3300, if I had the time.
I have enough recorded calls with the AG, FBI, DA, DFS, CPS etc. to do a few hundred at a 10 minute limit

Warren Jeffs Confession part 1

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9fePt8-VndY

Part 2 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoknKRBqhw

Part 3 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u4t1EpxEsvg

by Tom Haws
One small mitigating factor to your scenario: 31 of 53 girls ages 14 to 17 are either pregnant or have already given birth.

Pervasive child brides are reasonable cause for CPS intervention.
by berationalplease
If the Texas Child Protective Services DID return the kids to the FLDS ranch, that would be discrimination against the children on the basis of their religion.

Every child deserves the same protection. No CPS in any state would have a policy of leaving kids in a home where the father was a rapist. So, if they didn't provide the same protection to FLDS kids, and didn't take them into protective custody, simply because their parents belong to a religion that requires rape, that would be discrimination against the children on the basis of religion. And it would be a denial of the children's human rights.

Think of this as all about the children's rights. It is not about the parents' rights.

Compare the situation of the FLDS girls forced into marriage at age 13, by their fathers, to that of Elisabeth Fritzl, the Austrian girl who is in the news today because she was just discovered imprisoned in a cellar at age 18, for 24 years, having been forced to bear 7 children by her jailer father. Not really so different.

by Texican
It looks like the author of this article is in complete agreement with FLDS philosophies that female children are cattle to be raised as breeding stock and the overstock of male children should be run off like stray dogs. Whats wrong with you people out there?
by Canadian
It's time to act, and stop this genocide and mass abuse of children, infants and families, as well as the destruction of the Constitution. Please help by supporting these persecuted people. Go to their website and donate to the fund that will be used to pay for the litigation. The outcome of this affects us all. Please do not let the Gestapo win.

http://www.captivefldschildren.com/

Any amount you can afford will help these people.

A Concerned Canadian
by John
Make that "pervasive evidence of white child brides is just cause for the CPS siezure of children"; if it were any other ethnic group, the CPS would never act. Look at the Colonia area of Texas - home to over 400000 illegals where teen births are the norm and very common. Of course, these Mexican illegals have a legal marriage age of 13 years old in old mexico.
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