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Nov. 2008 - some Dems fear queer issue; Gonz quits Greens...
... see Matier and Ross column.... [ Copyright 2008 Chronicle]
+ comments by TBL....
+ comments by TBL....
Matier and Ross
S.F. nonprofit fires CFO over missing $3.6 million
[ column by ]
Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross
Wednesday, March 5, 2008
[ SF Chronicle ]
[ ..... ]
Here we go again:
Wouldn't you know it -
just as the presidential race heats up,
same-sex marriage
once again moves front and center
with its big showdown before the California Supreme Court.
Tuesday's court hearing came four years to the month after Newsom made world news
by allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry at San Francisco City Hall -
setting off a controversy that some Democrats
still believed [sic]
helped to re-elect President Bush [ in Nov. 2004].
"It is ironic that it comes up exactly four years later,"
Newsom said. "Not three, not five. Just in time for the election again."
Same-sex marriage won't have much of an effect
in the Democratic primaries,
but if the California Supreme Court clears the way for gay nuptials,
it could be a big deal in November when Barack Obama
or Hillary Rodham Clinton
faces John McCain.
"I'm not going to kid you,
it's unfortunate (and) a problem,"
said Democratic pollster Paul Maslin,
who has worked on a number of national campaigns,
including a gay rights fight in Wisconsin.
"We're trying to make history with
either the first woman candidate
or the first African American candidate,"
Maslin said.
"In either case, there are people in the middle out there
who we haven't heard from yet
who could be peeled off on the value issues."
[ Comments by Tortuga Bi Liberty:
(1) The "Winter of Love" started around Lincoln's birthday in 2004.
So this March 4 hearing isn't EXACTLY 4 years later;
but very close.
(2) My translation of Maslin's statement:
"If middle-American moderate whites
can tolerate a non-white candidate,
and/or they can tolerate a woman candidate,
they still might not tolerate uppity queers. "
(2a) "And/or"?
Don't rule out an Obama/Clinton ticket.
(3) I wish the decision would come AFTER
Nov. 2008;
but I guess it will come by June.]
.................................................................................
Green no more:
Less than a week after joining Ralph Nader's independent presidential ticket, former San Francisco Supervisor Matt Gonzalez has announced he's leaving the Green Party.
The one-time mayoral candidate, who came within an inch of beating Newsom, said in a four-paragraph statement that he was exiting the party because many states don't allow candidates to run as independents if they already are a registered member of a political party.
[ Comment by TBL:
Nader harmed the Green Party in 2004,
by running against the Green Party.
Now he's harming the Green Party
AGAIN, in 2008. ]
..................
S.F. nonprofit fires CFO over missing $3.6 million
[ column by ]
Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross
Wednesday, March 5, 2008
[ SF Chronicle ]
[ ..... ]
Here we go again:
Wouldn't you know it -
just as the presidential race heats up,
same-sex marriage
once again moves front and center
with its big showdown before the California Supreme Court.
Tuesday's court hearing came four years to the month after Newsom made world news
by allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry at San Francisco City Hall -
setting off a controversy that some Democrats
still believed [sic]
helped to re-elect President Bush [ in Nov. 2004].
"It is ironic that it comes up exactly four years later,"
Newsom said. "Not three, not five. Just in time for the election again."
Same-sex marriage won't have much of an effect
in the Democratic primaries,
but if the California Supreme Court clears the way for gay nuptials,
it could be a big deal in November when Barack Obama
or Hillary Rodham Clinton
faces John McCain.
"I'm not going to kid you,
it's unfortunate (and) a problem,"
said Democratic pollster Paul Maslin,
who has worked on a number of national campaigns,
including a gay rights fight in Wisconsin.
"We're trying to make history with
either the first woman candidate
or the first African American candidate,"
Maslin said.
"In either case, there are people in the middle out there
who we haven't heard from yet
who could be peeled off on the value issues."
[ Comments by Tortuga Bi Liberty:
(1) The "Winter of Love" started around Lincoln's birthday in 2004.
So this March 4 hearing isn't EXACTLY 4 years later;
but very close.
(2) My translation of Maslin's statement:
"If middle-American moderate whites
can tolerate a non-white candidate,
and/or they can tolerate a woman candidate,
they still might not tolerate uppity queers. "
(2a) "And/or"?
Don't rule out an Obama/Clinton ticket.
(3) I wish the decision would come AFTER
Nov. 2008;
but I guess it will come by June.]
.................................................................................
Green no more:
Less than a week after joining Ralph Nader's independent presidential ticket, former San Francisco Supervisor Matt Gonzalez has announced he's leaving the Green Party.
The one-time mayoral candidate, who came within an inch of beating Newsom, said in a four-paragraph statement that he was exiting the party because many states don't allow candidates to run as independents if they already are a registered member of a political party.
[ Comment by TBL:
Nader harmed the Green Party in 2004,
by running against the Green Party.
Now he's harming the Green Party
AGAIN, in 2008. ]
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http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html is EXACTLY THE SAME AS millionaires Hilary Clinton and John McCain. From Palestine, to Iraq, to Iran, to Afghanistan to Columbia, they all support the stinking military. Matt does a good job of describing all the other horrible positions of Barack Obama. It is sad that Nader and Gonzalez will probably not be on the California ballot as it is practically impossible to get on as an independent. We do however have Peace & Freedom Party, a socialist party on the California ballot, which this writer will certainly vote for. To those who think that voting for any Democrat (or Republican) will get you anything good if you are just a worker, remember, if you vote for evil, you will certainly receive evil, and it is unconscionable to play games with your vote. If you claim that you vote Democrat because you want a party that wins, remember if you do not vote Nader/Gonzalez orfor Cynthia McKinney if she is the Green Party candidate or for the Peace & Freedom Party, it is your fault if these people do not win. And when it comes to winning, the Democrats do not even defend their victory, much less seriously oppose the Republicans in Congress. Three cheers for Ralph Nader, Matt Gonzalez, Cynthia McKinney and Peace & Freedom Party! The more radical candidates, the more good choices for the 100 million non-voters who are mostly the workingclass that must be moved to act if there is to be any serious change for the better in this country.
held a prez primary.
I'd like to read the reasults.
Where are these posted?
Please give FULL URL(s); preferably as clickable links.
...
The media (incl. indybay?) seems to have
ignored the Green results.
...
Also-- when & where is national
Green convention?
....
Since then, the updated results are on the Secretary of State's website, at: http://vote.ss.ca.gov/Returns/pres/grn/59.htm#cnty
Nader got about 60% of the vote, McKinney about 26%, Elaine Brown about 5%, and the remaining 9% was divided between 3 other candidates (each of whom was below 5%).
The Green Party national convention is scheduled for mid-July in Chicago. For more info., the national party website is: http://gp.org