TODAY! WED! -- JEFFREY BLANKFORT TO DEBATE STEPHEN ZUNES ON KPFA! -- 7:PM!

Stephen Zunes, Phyllis Bennis, and Joel Beinin all apparently follow the Chomsky line: that the domestic pro-Israel lobby is of little or no consequence and influence.

Blankfort's central critical question is: so the domestic pro-Israel lobby gives ten of millions of dollars to U.S. politicians to get those politicians to do what they would do anyway? -- give unequivocal support to and go show absolute obeisance to Israel, genuflect, and kiss Ariel Sharon's ring (or worse) FOR NOTHING!?

Give me a break...!

The American domestic pro-Israel lobby 'requires' almost every American politician of note to actually go to Israel to show their obeisance and express their homage -- "or lose your job" in the next election (where the lobby will heavily finance their --sometimes their nobody and 'come from nowhere' -- opponent).

Jeff Blankfort is a very sweet,articulate and intelligent person, but he has forgotten basic principles.

(1) Israel is simply a US military base that exists to protect US oil profits in the Middle East.

(2) It does not matter what superstition the capitalist class believes in; they are simply capitalist. In the US, they happen to be overwhelmingly Christian. It would not matter if they were all Jewish. They are still capitalists.

(3) The Zionists, who are the overwhelming majority of the official religious Jewish community in the US, are certainly upper middle class, and some are members of the capitalist class, but they cannot dictate American capitalist politics.

(4) Capitalist politics are dictated by the basic rule and goal of capitalism: Maximization of profit.

(5) The Democratic and Republican parties are the twin parties of capitalism. It so happens, for historical reasons in which the Republican Party is associated with most of the fascist anti-Semitic organizations in the US, that 75% of religious US Jews vote Democrat. The goal of both parties is the same, to promote capitalism. The only reason the Democrats exist is to keep the Reds out of office.

(6) The solution is not to engage in the anti-Semitic lie of blaming Jews for the ills of the world but to organize labor to get rid of capitalism.

It is a shame that Stephen Zunes is not a socialist; he would have a better grasp of the insignificance of the miserable hellhole that is Israel. Contrary to Zunes' statements, Israel in its present form will not exist for another one or more generations. It, and its patron, the US, are in serious economic trouble and the US dollar is shrinking daily due to the fact that we have nothing to sell and are spending our money on worthless blood for oil wars. The euro is fast gaining predominance. The Cuban peso is now tied to the euro as of March 2005, and that will soon happen with other economies.

So, everyone, fasten your seatbelts. The beginning of the 21st Century is similar to the beginning of the 20th Century, but not the same and we will witness major changes in less than a generation. That change will certainly include the end of the insult known as the racist, theocratic state of Israel, acting as a military base to defend US oil interests.

First, so-called "Socialist", are you saying that white socialists can't ever be racists? If you are saying that, then you are very naive. Since when does socialism alone confer immunity from racism by whites.

Second, the Palestinians are a helluva lot more *Semitic* than the European Jews that invaded Palestine and began progressively massacring and ethnically cleansing Palestine of its Palestinians.

Third, many of the Jews who started socialist collectives (kibbutzim) in Israel racially excluded Palestinians from their socialist "utopias": i.e., the socialist collective kibbutzim were FOR JEWS ONLY!

Fourth, are you claiming that Zionist Jews have *NO* responsibility at all for the mass death, ethnic cleansing and otherwise suffering that they are causing or supporting in Palestine -- or did the capitalist Devil make them do it?

Maybe Nazism wasn't Hitler's and the Nazi's fault -- maybe it was just *CAPITALISM'S* fault! -- since Nazi Germany was a capitalist country and numerous capitalist industrialists/ideologues originally supported Hitler before WWII.


so-called "Socialist": "the insignificance of the miserable hellhole that is Israel."

You mean that "insignificant" little country that initially drove off some 750,000 to 1,000,000 Palestinians before 1948/1949, and now has almost 6 million Palestinians in internal and external exile? You mean that "insignificant" little country that morally corrupts virtually all of our politicians when it comes to Palestine, that pollutes and distorts all our domestic politics when it comes (directly or indirectly) to the Middle East, that distorts all our *ME* foreign policy and all our media on the ME, that gets more foreign aid that any country in the history of the world has transfered to any other country (and more than all of the continent of Africa)?

If one opposes guns, the gun lobby will not try to smear you and get you fired. If one opposes high medical insurance rates, the insurance industry will not try to smear you and get you fired. If one opposes gas guzzling SUV's, the oil and auto industries will not try to smear you and get you fired. But if one opposes Zionism and Israel as an apartheid state, the Zionist/pro-Israel lobby (the Jewish part of it) will try to smear you -- or *frame* you -- as an "anti-Semite" and get you fired -- especially if you have any public status (especially as a journalist, politician, executive, business owner, or academic). And even you, so-called "Socialist" call Jeff Blankfort -- a Jew -- "anti-Semitic"! That's the slimey tactics that people like you, so-called, "Socialist" -- you 5th column Zionist -- use.


So-called "Socialist": "The solution is not to engage in the anti-Semitic lie of blaming Jews for the ills of the world but to organize labor to get rid of capitalism."

Gee, how lonnnnng have I heard this sectarian, ideological bullshit.

First of all, so-called "Socialist" -- 5th column Zionist -- no one on KPFA was "blaming the Jews for the ills of the world". That's just more slimey smear tactics of a 5th column Zionist posing as a so-called "Socialist".

Second, regarding waiting until you overthrow capitalism...: would that have been the solution for ending the burning/hanging of women in the Salem witch hunts, or ending American slavery, or ending the Jewish Holocaust, or ending the Cambodian genocide, or ending South African Apartheid, or ending the Rwandan genocide? Or, alternately, how about for Black-Americans to get the right to vote -- or for women to get the right to vote or gain reproductive rights (like even contaceptives, let alone safe, legal abortions). To hold off and first wait around for so-called "Socialists" like you to bring us a worldwide socialist utopia?

And why is it that anytime someone wants to end some *IMMEDIATE* suffering or problem, some so-called "Socialist" like you wants us all to *WAIT* until you overthrow worldwide capitalism?: ...an excuse to do nothing?

Finally, maybe we should all just wait for you so-called "Socialists" to start and complete the armed revolution for the worldwide overthrow of U.S. and international capitalism -- not to mention the U.S.'s hypersuperpower military -- before we try to end any of the world's mass atrocities and relieve anyone's mass suffering. Easy for you to say as you sit comfortable, relatively privileged, relatively free, and plenty well-fed in "the richest country on earth". MLK said that it's easy for relatively comfortable white people to tell others to "wait" -- for this or that first. Until then, we're all 'waiting' for armchair "Socialist" revolutionaries like *YOU* to pick up the gun and start this worldwide revolution.


(At least the Iraqi insurgents have done that much -- picked up the gun -- in their own way to overthrow Anglo-American imperialist capitalism in their land.)

"The American domestic pro-Israel lobby 'requires' almost every American politician of note to actually go to Israel to show their obeisance and express their homage -- "or lose your job" in the next election."

This is nonsense and you know it JA. We, the people, determine who will win in the election. You may not like the results, but the voters rule. Barbara Lee, hardly a rabid Zionist, would defeat any Zionist Republican who ran in her district. She would also defeat pretty much any Democrat who ran against her because she has tremendous support her district. The same thing is true of many districts in the U.S. It's not simply a matter of "Zionists" running our government. Jeez, you sound like the "ZOG" nuts on the extreme right. It is not as simple a picture you're painitng and you know it.

He's just another Jew-obsessed ultra-leftist.

"voter": "This is nonsense and you know it JA. We, the people, determine who will win in the election. You may not like the results, but the voters rule."

SURRRRRE.... [rolling my eyes...]

(CAN WE SAY "FLORRRIDA"-- IF NOT "OHIIIIO"?)


"voter": "Barbara Lee, hardly a rabid Zionist,"

YOU MEAN THE BLACK POLITICIAN WHO HEARTILY CONGRATULATED ARIEL SHARON -- THE BUTCHER OF BEIRUT(!!) -- **TWICE** ON HIS ELECTION TO THE ISRAELI PRIME MINISTERSHIP?

DO YOU THINK THAT *THAT* REPRESENTS THE VIEWS OF HER WORKING-CLASS AND POOR BLACK GRASSROOTS -- OR EVEN BLACK MIDDLE-CLASS -- CONSTITUENCY?

DO YOU THINK THAT HER BLACK CONSITUENCY SUPPORTS THE WORLD'S LAST IDEOLOGICAL SETTLER-COLONIAL APARTHEID STATE OPPRESSING YET ANOTHER (AND INDIGENOUS) PEOPLE OF COLOR.

-- THIS, SO THAT PRACTICALLY ATHEIST WHITE-AMERICAN JEWS CAN GO BASK ON THE BEACHES AND ENJOY THE LAZY OUTDOOR CAFE LIFE OF TEL AVIV?

-- OR SO THAT RABID JEWISH FUNDAMENTALISTS CAN GO DRIVE MORE PALESTINIANS OFF THE LAST REMAINING TERRITORIES?


"voter": "...would defeat any Zionist Republican who ran in her district."

HOW 'BOUT AGAINST A ZIONIST *DEMOCRAT* PUT UP AND HEAVILY FINANCED BY THE ZIONIST/PRO-ISRAEL LOBBY?

(CAN WE SAY EARL HILLIARD OR EVEN CYNTHIA MCKINNEY, LET ALONE EVEN DEPOSED WHITE POLITICIANS FROM THEN SUPPOSEDLY "SAFE" DISTRICTS?

AND EVEN THOUGH MCKINNEY FINALLY GOT RE-ELECTED -- AND THEN SAYING NOTHING ABOUT THE OPPRESSION OF THE PALESTINIANS OR A CALL FOR FAIRNESS -- WHAT OBJECT LESSON DO YOU THINK WAS SENT TO OTHER POLITICIANS BY THE ZIONIST/PRO-ISRAEL LOBBY?)


"voter": She would also defeat pretty much any Democrat who ran against her because she has tremendous support her district."

UH-HUH? THEN WHY DID SHE TOO GO TO ISRAEL, KNEEL AND KISS THE ZIONIST RING?

"voter": The same thing is true of many districts in the U.S."

UH-HUH... RIGHT OUT OF THE STEPHEN ZUNES ZIONIST SONG BOOK.

(By the way, ever notice how Zunes is so cagey about whether he's Jewish or not?)


"voter": "It's not simply a matter of "Zionists" running our government. Jeez, you sound like the "ZOG" nuts on the extreme right. It is not as simple a picture you're painitng and you know it."

AND ME THINK THOU DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH WITH YOUR STRAWMAN SLURS -- so typical of Zionists.

"voter": "This is nonsense and you know it JA. We, the people, determine who will win in the election. You may not like the results, but the voters rule."

How about the untold millions spent by giant corporations so that we generally only get a certain narrow choice of politicians? Like Republican Bush or Republican-lite Kerry. We also usually only get politicians who sooner or later become compromised by corporate money in corporate financed elections, especially at the national or big city top level.

The only time we get positive change, more democracy, or more choice in candidates is when "We the people" finally take to the streets in mass numbers!

Don't bother reasoning with JA. He's the apotheosis of Jew-obsessed ultra-leftists and he revels in it. The more you write, the more you encourage his luncacy. But at least this site gives people an opportunity to peer into his warped mind and the mind of other Jew-obsessed activists like Wendy Campbell. Its actually a public service of sorts. The more they write, they crazier they look, and that bodes well for thinking, reasoning adults.

with the idiots who make allegations like "jew-obsessed" as they are projecting their own obsessions onto others---they are just angry because they are not receiving the infromation that they want to hear

Antisemitism Masquerades as Anti-Zionism: Anti-Imperialism of Fools

Antisemitism is enjoying a renaissance. In Britain, attacks on Jewish people or property have increased by 260% over a two-year period; in France, synagogues have been firebombed. The antisemitic upsurge is closely linked to events in the Middle East and opposition to the policies of Israel and the USA and in the main does not come from the traditional right. It has nothing to do with legitimate criticism of Israel's policies and must be distinguished from this. Sometimes the antisemitism masquerades as "anti-Zionism" and other times it is naked Jew-baiting. Anti-racists and anti-imperialists have to root it out argues Steve Silver

"Anti-Zionism", antisemitism and Holocaust denial

Shortly after the murderous terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001 in the USA leaflets circulated outside some London mosques purporting to identify who was behind the attacks. According to the British-based Islamic fundamentalist leafleters, the attacks were carried out by the Israeli intelligence service Mossad. The proof of this was in the supposed fact that hundreds of Jews stayed away from work that day, after they had been tipped off that something untoward was going to happen.

The claim is so absurd that it doesn't warrant a response. It is mentioned here because it is part of a barrage of antisemitic conspiracy theory literature that has been circulating in Britain via Islamic fundamentalist and other sources. In some ways this is unsurprising: after all the Middle East is the main source for the printing of "classic" antisemitic conspiracy works such as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Henry Ford's The International Jew. In Britain some of these staple fascist texts find their way into Islamic bookshops, where they are often openly displayed and sold. With old antisemitic conspiracy theory material so widely available, it is no wonder that there are those who have absorbed this world view and apply it to modern-day events.

A pamphlet produced by the Islamic Party of Britain shortly after 11 September 2001 claimed that what it described as the "New World Order, One World, or Globalisation" was in fact a Zionist plot developed by Israel's first Prime Minister, David Ben Gurion. Apparently, Ben Gurion possessed prophetic powers. The pamphlet says that in 1962 he:

"Spelt out his vision of the world in the late eighties with the cold war being a thing of the past, a democratisation of the Soviet Union, the predominance of Social Democratic governments in Western and Eastern Europe, and a World Alliance with an international police force at its disposal. All armies, he said would be abolished, and there would be no more wars; Jerusalem would be the seat of the supreme court of mankind to settle all controversies among the federated continents: The Zionist dream of world domination ..."

Some of the worst examples of antisemitism have occurred on campus. At Manchester University in 2002 a leaflet put out in the name of the General Union of Palestine Students (GUPS) before a debate on boycotting Israeli goods was nakedly antisemitic. The leaflet supposedly quoted statements made in 1789 by Benjamin Franklin, who was one of the signatories of the US Declaration of Independence. The leaflet is titled "Prophecy of Benjamin Franklin in regard of the Jewish race", and among other things says:

"For more than 1700 years they [the Jews] have lamented their sorrowful fate, namely, that they have been driven out of their motherland; but, gentleman, if the world should give them back today Palestine and their property, they would immediately find reasons for not returning there. Why? Because they are Vampires - they cannot live among themselves ..."

If the quotation had been genuine, it would be bad enough to see it reprinted. In fact it is a hoary antisemitic forgery written by the US Nazi sympathiser William Dudley Pelley in Liberation in 1934. In 1942 Pelley was sentenced to 15 years' imprisonment for sedition for his pro-Nazi activities.

One of the most active of the Islamic fundamentalist groups distributing antisemitic literature is al-Muhajiroun, which claims it is "The Voice, The Eyes, and the Ears of the Muslims". Its leaflet advertising an anti-Israel demonstration organised by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign in May 2002 was headed, "Israel the cancer that must be removed". Among several bullet points it stated, "The Defence of the cancer is the lie of the Holocaust". The real measure of al-Muhajiroun's support, or rather lack of it, for the Palestinian cause is that in the same leaflet it described the PLO and Yasser Arafat as "the agent of the cancer".

While Holocaust denial material is commonplace in the Muslim world, it is something that is rare on the left, though not unheard of. A leaflet issued by the Trotskyite Socialist Voice in the northwest of England (Salford) in 2002, for example, advertised an internet link for information "on the history of Zionism". The link is to a Holocaust denial site run by Bradley Smith of the US based Institute for Historical Review (IHR), an organisation which has been exposed many times in Searchlight and which has links to nazi groups across the world. It would be charitable in the extreme to say that there may be an innocent explanation for this amazing fact, for the top of the page of the advertised link even states that it is a Holocaust denial site!

Nazi-Zionists: topsy-turvy world

Much more commonplace on the left than Holocaust denial is the comparison of Israel with Nazi Germany. Quite how offensive this is to most Jewish people seems lost on those who do it. Even if we were to put aside the offensive nature of the comparison, it has to be said that such a comparison is rarely used to describe other regimes, even those that have actually committed genocide. This version of "anti-Zionism" tends to portray Zionism as a Jewish version of Nazism. In this almost surreal scenario, the victims of Nazism have become the new "nazis". It shouldn't really need pointing out that whatever one thinks of Israel's policies and actions, and the human cost of the conflict, there is still massive legal opposition to those policies from Arab and Jew alike inside Israel - hardly something that was allowed in Nazi Germany. All manner of progressive forces are represented in the Knesset (parliament) from socialist-Zionist to communist and Muslim parties. Of course at the moment Israel is in the hands of the right wing and consequently is pursuing right-wing policies. This does not make it Nazi, or even fascist, though. Crucially, however appalled one might be by Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, it is not systematically exterminating them.

If it isn't bad enough to find organisations and individuals that compare Israel to Nazi Germany, it is not uncommon to find those that go further and argue that Israel is actually worse than Nazi Germany. For example, at the Palestine solidarity demonstration in London on 18 May 2002, Leila Khaled, a leading figure in the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), claimed that Zionism had "exceeded Nazism".

Another "Nazi-Zionist" theme is the claim that some Zionists collaborated with the Nazis. However, many were brave resisters and fighters against fascism who were martyred in that struggle. Among their number is the leader of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, the socialist-Zionist Mordechai Anielewicz. Also there is the Hungarian born Hannah Senesh who moved to Palestine just before the Second World War and fought in an elite British parachute corps against the Nazis. Captured by fascists behind enemy lines in her native Hungary, she was brutally tortured and executed.

Zionism, imperialism and the birth of Israel

Zionism is neither a conspiracy nor the invention of imperialism, nor inherently racist. It came into existence as a response to antisemitism and such things as the pogroms, persecutions and ritual murder libels in Europe. Dr Theodor Herzl, the best known of the early Zionists, became a political Zionist as a result of the infamous antisemitic frame-up of Captain Alfred Dreyfus in France in 1894. However, the single most important factor that made Zionism popular among Jewish people was the Holocaust. Even those who did not see their own future, or even the future of the Jewish people, bound up in Palestine recognised that there must be a solution to the Jewish refugee problem created by the destruction of Europe's Jews. It was clear that the solution was not going to be found in Europe or the countries that closed their borders to large-scale Jewish immigration.

The Zionist movement is a nationalist movement, and carries with that all that other nationalist movements do. It harbours in its ranks reactionaries who would do all in their power to prevent the creation of a Palestinian state. Yet it also harbours a progressive left wing which wants nothing but peace in the Middle East. In Israel itself there exists a massive peace movement, opposed to the actions of the government and military, and which supports the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.

It is commonplace on the left to read that Israel was an imperialist creation, promised by Lord Balfour to the Zionists in the Balfour Declaration of 1917. In fact it would take another 31 years before Israel was created. And that came about not from some British declaration but after six million Jews perished in the Holocaust and tens of thousands became stateless refugees, often living in displaced persons' camps in what was formerly Nazi-occupied Europe. Britain's true attitude to Jewish settlement in Palestine could be seen in the fact that it did its utmost to prevent Jews arriving in the country, even sending ships full of Holocaust survivors back to Germany, the source of their torment.

It seems that today's anti-imperialists have either forgotten or don't realise that the vast majority of them would have supported the creation of the State of Israel in 1948 as a blow against imperialism. In the immediate aftermath of the Second World War the Jewish national movement in Palestine was engaged in an underground war against the British Army, which occupied Mandate Palestine at the time. Pressure from within Palestine and outside forced the British out of the region.

Communism and Zionism have a long history of conflict with each other, which goes back to well before a state was proclaimed in the name of either ideology. Yet the Soviet Union supported the creation of the state of Israel, not because it had suddenly become Zionist, but because of the practical realities of the situation and, most importantly, because of the destruction of European Jewry and the subsequent refugee problem. At the United Nations in 1947 the Soviet representatives and others recounted how the Jews had suffered during the Second World War. Speaking on behalf of the Soviet Union, Andrei Gromyko said:

"The aspirations of an important part of the Jewish people are bound up with the question of Palestine and the future structure of that country ... the aspiration of the Jews for the creation of a state of their own ... it would be unjust not to take this into account and to deny the right of the Jewish people to the realisation of such an aspiration."

Gromyko went on to argue that there was a legitimate Jewish claim in the region: "if only because, after all, the Jewish people has been closely linked with Palestine for a considerable period of history". Echoing Lenin's description of how the Jews fared under Tsarism, Gromyko added, "that as a result of the war which was unleashed by Hitlerite Germany, the Jews, as a people, have suffered more than any other people".

The State of Israel was formed as a result of a 1947 United Nations partition plan which was intended to create an Israeli state alongside a newly independent Palestinian state. Around the world the left celebrated Israel's birth. The invasion of Arab armies who believed that they could strangle the fledgling Jewish state, and the subsequent war, put paid to the creation of a Palestinian state at that time. Regardless of what has happened since then, it remains a fact that Israel was born in this way.

"Anti-Zionist" antecedents: Stalinist and Arab nationalist anti-Semitism

It would be absurd to argue that all opponents of Zionism, all anti-Zionists, are antisemitic. It would be equally absurd to tar all opponents of Israel's policies and actions as antisemitic. However, much of what passes as anti-Zionism and anti-Israel sentiment has nothing to do with legitimate debate with a nationalist ideology, or opposition to the actions of the Israeli government or military, but more to do with traditional antisemitic conspiracy theory.

The idea that a cabal of Jewish people controls the world through political skulduggery has been a staple of antisemites since they propagandised against the French Revolution after 1789. However, it was in pre-revolutionary Russia at the turn of the twentieth century that the most infamous antisemitic Tsarist forgery, The Protocols of The Elders of Zion, was produced. It was used by counter-revolutionaries as a propaganda weapon against the Bolsheviks. The Protocols still circulates today and many other antisemitic tracts are based upon it.

The Protocols was a standard German Nazi text. One might have thought that with the defeat of Nazi Germany, the idea of Jewish world conspiracy would be buried, especially in a country that itself suffered so much under fascism and helped give birth to the Jewish state. However, the Soviet honeymoon with Israel was a short-lived affair. In the Soviet Union and among reactionary Arab nationalists hostility towards Jews evolved into "anti-Zionism" as the main vehicle for the "Jewish conspiracy".

In spite of the fact that under Lenin's leadership antisemitism was made a criminal offence, it was perpetuated in the Soviet Union in the Stalin era. At the Twentieth Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) in 1956, Nikita Krushchev, the Soviet leader, revealed a long list of antisemitic crimes committed during the period of Stalin's rule, including: the purging of Jewish party leaders in other socialist countries; the general shutdown of Jewish cultural institutions in the Soviet Union after 1948; the murder in August 1952 of leading Soviet Jewish writers and intellectuals; and most infamously the so-called "Doctors' Plot" of 1953, in which Stalin accused a group of mainly Jewish physicians of plotting to murder him on behalf of "Zionism" and "western imperialism".

The antisemitism of the Stalin era was subsequently recognised as such, and condemned in the Soviet Union. Unfortunately, its legacy endured, though not on a systematic basis, until 1967. One well publicised aberration occurred in 1963 when the Soviet academic Trofim Kichko published a work that was crudely antisemitic, entitled Judaism without Embellishment. It contained antisemitic illustrations and the text claimed that Judaism, Jewish bankers, Zionism, Israel and Western imperialism were engaged in an international conspiracy. Amid worldwide protest the publication was withdrawn.

What changed the publication of antisemitic propaganda post-Stalin in the Soviet Union from an aberration to a larger-scale phenomenon was the Six Day War of June 1967, when Israel defeated Egypt. Within days of the Israeli victory the Soviet media branded Israel's Moshe Dayan a "pupil of Hitler" and Zionism as racism. Along with the most reactionary of Arab nationalists, they pushed this position on the international stage at the United Nations and elsewhere. In this new climate Kichko was rehabilitated and published further works such as Judaism and Zionism (Kiev 1968). As the Soviet Union departed from anything that could be remotely described as a Leninist analysis of the situation in the Middle East, many other Soviet writers who churned out material of a similar nature joined Kichko. It is echoes of these ideas that are current among some on the British left, even among those who would be horrified to be remotely associated with anything to do with "Stalinist" or nationalist antisemitism. It can only be assumed that those who claim that Israel is Nazi and that Zionism is racism have no knowledge of the ideas' antecedents.

Destroying Israel

During the Six Day War there was much talk of destroying Israel from reactionary Arab nationalists. Cuba's Fidel Castro was so shocked by the nature of Egypt's anti-Israel propaganda at the time that he spoke out against it. In an interview that was published in the New Statesman on 22 September 1967, he told the journalist K S Karol that he believed Egyptian phrasemongering showed a lack of revolutionary principles. "True revolutionaries never threaten a whole country with extermination," he said. "We have spoken out clearly against Israel's policy, but we don't deny her right to exist."

However, there are some on the left today who would call themselves revolutionaries who believe that Israel should be destroyed. Hardly surprising, when they think that Israel is no different from Nazi Germany. Those who put forward this position should ask themselves what should happen to the Jewish people who live in Israel today if the country ceased to exist. And anti-racists should ask them to which other people, apart from the Jewish people, would they deny the right of nationhood?

No anti-imperialism without anti-racism

The penchant for US (and British) intervention in the affairs of sovereign states abroad is something that should be condemned and opposed. Those countries that do their utmost to defend their independence are fighting against imperialism. However, merely raising anti-imperialist slogans does not make the nationalist movements of those countries, or their leaders, necessarily progressive. As with Zionism, these nationalist movements - the Palestinians included - contain both progressive and reactionary camps.

Just as it is necessary for the Israeli people to combat their own national chauvinists, annexationists and would-be colonialists, so it is important for others in the Middle East to combat their reactionaries. To say and do nothing against reactionaries in the anti-imperialist camp, because this could be seen to damage the fight against imperialism, is a serious error. History has taught us where that kind of politics leads. In Indonesia, hundreds of thousands of communists and others on the left were massacred while "anti-imperialist" slogans were raised. In Iraq, communists and other progressives were tortured while genocide was committed against the Kurds. In Iran the "anti-imperialist" Islamic fundamentalists butchered communists who had supported the national revolution.

The idea of a world Jewish conspiracy, so popular with the Tsarist propagandists in their anti-Bolshevik propaganda at the turn of the last century, and which formed a central part of Nazi ideology during the 1930s and 1940s, is unfortunately alive and well in Britain today. It is primarily the preserve of Islamic fundamentalists, but to their shame virtually the entire left has remained silent on the issue, and some have actually recycled this nonsense. It seems that people's outrage at such things as Israel's actions in Jenin in April 2002 triggers an emotive response bordering on hysteria. The reflex action is often antisemitic and has nothing to do with socialism. It is as if some believe that a little antisemitism is justifiable when confronted with Israel's policies.

The German Social Democrat August Bebel once described populist antisemitism as the "socialism of fools". Antisemitism, like other forms of racial hatred, does not always come from the fascist right. Just as the left and labour movement accepts that it is perfectly capable of harbouring racist practices against black people, so it should recognise this is the case with antisemitism too. Those who should know better often cross the line between legitimate anti-Zionism and antisemitism.

Because imperialism is based, among other things, on racism, genuine anti-imperialism has to be anti-racist to its marrow. An anti-imperialism that is soft on antisemitism is not an anti-imperialism at all, but merely a prop for national chauvinism and racial hatred.

The Paranoid Style in American Politics
By Richard Hofstadter

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/The_paranoid_style.html

good stuff
http://www.stopthewall.org/

something to combat the crazy propaganda---a little something that makes sense instead
http://www.jppi.org/

http://www.laborzionist.org/

http://www.progressivezionistalliance.org/

Why not just be truthful -- for once -- and just call yourself "the same one" as "don't bother reasoning" and "I don't" AND WHOEVER ELSE YOU ARE POSING AS. Clue: you can't use the very same language, "jew-obsessed" in *all* your posts if you want to pretend to be different people. What a fuckin' Zionist *COWARD*!!


As for Steve Silver, we've all seen and heard that ruse of yours before here on indybay and elsewhere. So you can stop pasting your voluminous screeds. How about this for anti-Palestinian anti-Semitism?:the belief by Zionist/pro-Isreal Jews that the only reason that someone would advocate Palestinian *EQUALITY* and human rights (because, after all, the Palestinian people are inferior, aren't they, especially to Zionist Jews?) is because those human rights advocates just "hate Jews".


(OH, 'DEM ZIONISTS JES' CRACK ME UP!! ...HAHA!!)

It would have been like "a progressive pro-apartheid Afrikaner", or like "a progressive Nazi", or like "a progressive 'Jim Crow' Segregationist", or like "a progressive patriarchal male".

I appreciate that there is a line beyond which not even some Israeli pilots and other Israeli military personnel will not go, but one cannot believe in a racially/ethnically, ideologically defined state and be, by definition, a progressive. Racism, whether hardcore racism or softcore racism -- especially state/political racism -- represents the *antithesis* of being a progressive.

Whether Palestine is re-unified into one state or remains divided (but into two states), *NEITHER* state should be ideologically defined on the basis of race/ethnicity/religion -- and *BOTH* states should be secular democratic states with absolutely equal rights for all -- the same thing that even Zionist Jews demand in the U.S. or in any other Western/socially advanced country.

The problem with the Israeli so-called "peace" movement is that there are too many Zionists (and closet Zionists), the vast *majority* of it, in it.

JA says: "Whether Palestine is re-unified into one state or remains divided (but into two states), *NEITHER* state should be ideologically defined on the basis of race/ethnicity/religion -- and *BOTH* states should be secular democratic states with absolutely equal rights for all -- the same thing that even Zionist Jews demand in the U.S. or in any other Western/socially advanced country."

Notice JA's use of the word "SHOULD"

"SHOULD" is a very cute word.

America "should" not even exist. This shoudl be a native indian country.

Africa "should" not be dying of aids. But it is.

Saudi arabia "should" not be a muslim-supremecist country that barely allows jews to even live. But it is.

Jews "should" not have been killed, harrassed and discriminated against all around the world so much that the need to establish a homeland for the jewish people came to exist.

But Israel exists, and it's a jewish state. There are also about 50 muslim countries. America exists. Australia exists, despite the invaders who formed it. Etc.

JA's "should" stuff, in regard to his anger that Israel exists and that zionism gave the jewish people a homeland, is nonsense.

It's also funny to see people who claim to want peace promote the idea that Israel "should" be undone as a jewish homeland, and that Israeli Jews "should" be forced to live in the same country as 5 million palestinian muslims who absolutely hate jews and for 50 straight years now have been trying to kill the israeli jews.

You have to question the motivations of someone who promotes the idea that people who hate and want to kill israeli jews should get to move into the same country as those israeli jews.

Let's see:

1) Palestinian muslims hate israel and hate israeli jews

So, I hvae a great idea! Let's move palestinian muslims into the same country as the israeli jews!

BRILLIANT IDEA! Wow!

Fuck off, JA.

Israel exists. It's the one Jewish state on earth. It's not about "supremecy" and you know it. Jews got booted around the world for 2000 years, and it became obvious that the jewish people, who ARE OF DIFFERENT RACES but BOUND TOGETHER AS A PEOPLE, needed a homeland of their own. Zionism came to be in the 1800's and was for survival purposes. It's a shame that israel didn't exist sooner, then the european jews woudl have had a chance to flee before the holocaust began.

Anyway, israel is a homeland of the jewish people, and jews aren't giving it up, especially to a bunch of loons who want to wipe israel out (like JA does)

Jeffrey blankfort is a misguided moron, and no one should care what his religion is.

Anyone can claim to be jewish or christian or anything.

And even if someone is something, that doesn't mean their views are more "right" than other people's on it.

JA, you are black. If a black person said that black people are inherently stupid and violent, would that person be right because they're black? If someone says dumb shit, or racist shit, or misguided shit, are they "right" because they happen to be the same race or religion as the people they're disparaging?

Fuck off and die, JA

by "Woe Is Me" Frank: "Jews "should" not have been killed, harrassed and discriminated against all around the world so much that the need to establish a homeland for the jewish people came to exist."

Are you saying that Jews *should* have been killed or that Hitler *should* have existed? If you want to exist in the world of only *is* and not *should* then you are not for global justice.

AS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN WHO HAS ALSO SUFFERED FOR CENTURIES AT THE HANDS OF EUROPEANS (BOTH CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH IN THE SLAVE TRADE OR AS SLUM LORDS) -- AND, IN SLAVERY, FOR *MANY* MORE GENERATIONS AND A *FAR GREATER* DEATH TOLL THAN THE JEWISH HOLOCAUST...

... I CAN SAY THAT **NO** AMOUNT OF SUFFERING ENTITLES ONE PEOPLE TO DISPLACE, TAKE, OR BE GIVEN THE LAND OF ANOTHER (AND 3RD PARTY AT THAT) PEOPLE.

**NEWS FLASH** FOR TIRESOMELY AND BORINGLY NARCISSISTIC ZIONIST JEWS!!:

JEWS WERE *NOT* HISTORY'S *ONLY* OR ALWAYS *WORSE* VICTIMS!

Gee Frank, you must have AN INDYMEDIA RECORD!! How many times are you going to post in a row!? Can't you figure out what you're going to say in one sitting!? Or is your A.D.D. *that* serious!?

Joseph Anderson said: Are you saying that Jews *should* have been killed or that Hitler *should* have existed?

Frank responds: Obviously not, no. You are stupid.

Joseph Anderson said: If you want to exist in the world of only *is* and not *should* then you are not for global justice.

Frank responds: "Is" is what needs to be dealt with. THe reality is, Israel exists. Sorry this angers you so.

Joseph Anderson said: AS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN WHO HAS ALSO SUFFERED FOR CENTURIES

Frank responds: You are not "centuries" old, JA. ARe you insane?

Joseph Anderson said: AT THE HANDS OF EUROPEANS (BOTH CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH IN THE SLAVE TRADE OR AS SLUM LORDS) -- AND, IN SLAVERY, FOR *MANY* MORE GENERATIONS AND A *FAR GREATER* DEATH TOLL THAN THE JEWISH HOLOCAUST...

Frank responds: Why are you bringing up the holocaust and "comparing" tragedies? What does this have to do with anything? How is this relevant to the conversation at all?

Joseph Anderson said: I CAN SAY THAT **NO** AMOUNT OF SUFFERING ENTITLES ONE PEOPLE TO DISPLACE, TAKE, OR BE GIVEN THE LAND OF ANOTHER (AND 3RD PARTY AT THAT) PEOPLE.

Frank responds: Fair enough. But it's happened, lots of times in history. But now we're in the year 2005. We have to progress forward. You want to undo the existence of Israel. Therefore, your views are worthless.

Joseph Anderson said: JEWS WERE *NOT* HISTORY'S *ONLY* OR ALWAYS *WORSE* VICTIMS!

Frank responds: That's nice. I haven't claimed they were, or weren't. What does that have to do with this conversation?

JA obviously has major jew-hangups, as most antisemites do.

>>The more you write, the more you encourage his luncacy.

Hilarious . . . you mean, the more you write, the more you encourage him to logiacally take apart your lunatic points.

Also, the person up in the thread called 'voter' is a real idiot! Voter thinks 'we the people' choose our criminals in office! Grow up 'voter' and put some training wheels on your bike already.

I am sorry for my racist comments, I feel so bad about myself and the size of my penis that sometimes I feel that I have to hate someone and put them down to make myself feel better
Please forgive me

Yeah, you guys are right. Barbara Lee was not re-elected by the voters of Oakland. She was appointed by "the system" and the Zionist conspiracy. Training wheels you say? Better than the tin-foil helmets that you wear...

I'm sorry for the above comment...I'm not the sharpest tack in the bunch....and I just wanted to feel superior for a minute. Actually...I'm kinda stupid

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Joseph Anderson, Berkeley, responds to Zionist Frank, the anti-Black racist, on Zionism.
by JA, Friday, Jun. 03, 2005 at 11:58 AM.


Frank responds: ""Is" is what needs to be dealt with. THe reality is, Israel exists. Sorry this angers you so."

The slave Confederacy once existed too. Apartheid South Africa once existed too. Colonial Africa once existed too. Nazi Germany once existed too. We dealt with those too. They all finally got swept away, along with other racistly oppressive ideological institutions, as the immoral systems that they were.

Even "Socialist", above, referred to Israel as, "the miserable hellhole that is Israel", and that, "Israel in its present form will not exist for another one or more generations." Why didn't any of you Zionists take him on? The Zionist Reich of Israel will fall like the 3rd Reich of Germany (which I heard angered a lot of Jews) did: laughably predicted to last for 1,000 years!


Frank responds: "Why are you bringing up the holocaust and "comparing" tragedies? What does this have to do with anything? How is this relevant to the conversation at all?"

Because you Zionists obviously think that your past suffering matters more than *ANYBODY ELSES*!! Wasn't that your excuse for creating Israel? -- even on land where another and indigenous people already lived? -- and setting up your exclusionary "Jewish state"? Isn't that *YOUR* OWN excuse now?

You sound just like one of those crazy, rabid Jewish fundamentalists (and this is a direct quote): "God gave us the land. It's ours. The Palestinians must leave. Deal with it."

Here's how you say it: "Anyway, israel is a homeland of the jewish people, and jews aren't giving it up"


And plenty of people are sick and tired of hearing your Zionist nonsense. They're just afraid to openly say so, because you Zionists have a well-funded domestic spy and *terror* lobby -- the only terror widely pervasive and accepted by our govt in the U.S.. If only more people would just ignore your phony scam charges of "anti-Semitism" -- and laugh at you, like *I* do, or like one former U.S. official on the Charlie Rose Show laughed at Zionist Jewish official Martin Indyk when Indyk tried to pull that shit. The first time I've ever seen anyone on TV do that: laugh at a Zionist trying to play the anti-Semite-baiting card.

BY THE WAY: THE NATIVE AMERICAN HOLOCAUST IN THE EXPANDING CONTINENTAL U.S. ALONE WAS ALSO *MUCH LARGER* AND ALSO LASTED *MUCH MUCH* LONGER THAN THE JEWISH HOLOCAUST.

Given your blatant hypocrisy, Zionist Jews always want to harp on their genocide as history's worst -- until someone else points out that it *wasn't* the worst -- and *THEN* Zionist Jews squeal that others should not compare genocides/holocausts. Well I *am*! It's hypocritical and *RACIST*, Mr. Zionist Jew, when you think that your suffering matters more than anybody elses -- or that nobody's losses were higher -- and then replicate much of your own past oppression against others.


Joseph Anderson said: I CAN SAY THAT **NO** AMOUNT OF SUFFERING ENTITLES ONE PEOPLE TO DISPLACE, TAKE, OR BE GIVEN THE LAND OF ANOTHER (AND 3RD PARTY AT THAT) PEOPLE.

Frank responds: "Fair enough."

* * * THAT'S MY POINT!!! * * *

YOU'VE *****FINALLY***** GRASPED IT !!!


Then say, 'Mr. Sharon, *TEAR* *DOWN* *THAT* *WALL* !!

ABOLISH ZIONIST APARTHEID!!'


Frank: "But it's happened, lots of times in history."

If you dismiss Palestinian suffering that easily, then what's your gripe about Hitler? -- and why do you keep throwing that gripe of yours in the rest of our faces over and over and over again, even as you -- with such BRAZEN HYPOCRISY -- oppress another people?

Why not just say about Nazi Germany and the Jewish holocaust, 'SHIT HAPPENS!'..., and be done with it? Oh -- I forgot -- but that's about *'YOUR'* suffering.


Frank: "But now we're in the year 2005."

Funny -- it seems more like 1848, or 1948 -- or even 1932-1942. It's we anti-racist, anti-Zionist, global justice activists that are trying to drag Israel into the 21st century!! -- instead of the 18th century.


Frank: "We have to progress forward."

Yeah, this is another Zionist PR ruse. This coming from someone who advocates an ideology that wants to reverse 2,000 years of migration!!! -- and go back to a *3,000* year old ancient, nearly prehistoric, "promise by God"! And Jews weren't even the first people to inhabit Palestine, so go back to Egypt! This coming from someone who advocates an ideology that plays back to Euorpean colonialism. This coming from someone who advocates an ideology that establishes an ethnic-supremacist state -- this time a Zionist Jewish-supremacist state, instead of a Nazi Aryan-supremacist state.

Everything about Israel is atavistic and anachronistic! You Zionists always talk about "looking forward" when someone tags you on your hypocrisy and, indeed, *backward* thinking. But Israel is all about looking *backward*!! And you Zionists haven't been just "looking forward" when it comes to forgetting about the Nazi era and German reparations.

"progress[ing] forward" is to abolish the Zionist ideologically Jewish apartheid state and replacing it with a secular democratic state with equal rights for all people -- just like in any other socially developed country. Any Jews who want to stay an live in a normal democratic state can -- any Jews that don't can get the hell out.


Frank: "You want to undo the existence of Israel."

*YES*. I want to undo the existence of Israel as a Zionist, "Jewish-supremacist", apartheid state -- enabled by our country and floating on a sea of billions and billions dollars of our country's money. You Zzzionists didn't mind the Allies "undo[ing]" the existence of the Nazi state (the original one). I'm glad that the American slave state, or the Nazi state, or the South African apartheid state was "undo[ne]".


Frank: "Therefore, your views are worthless."

THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE **REPEATEDLY** DEBATING ME? YOU'RE *OBVIOUSLY* QUITE WORRIED ABOUT MY VIEWS AND MY ABILITY TO ARTICULATE THEM.

Zionist Frank obviously has major Black hang-ups -- especially about intelligent, articulate Blacks -- as most anti-Black racists do. I'm the nigger all you Zionists here in indybay *LOVE TO HATE*!!

(See how you make sure to spell out my name? -- While you most of you pusillanimous Zionist COWARDS hide behind aliases -- and even switch aliases -- EVEN IN AMERICA!! THAT'S HOW *SORRY* YOU ZIONIST ASSES ARE! Now that I've ripped your ass, you better disappear and come up with another alias, sooner or later.)


Joseph Anderson said: JEWS WERE *NOT* HISTORY'S *ONLY* OR ALWAYS *WORSE* VICTIMS!

Frank responds: "That's nice. I haven't claimed they were, or weren't."

"...or *weren't*"...!?

Look, you can't even *admit* it:

JEWS *WEREN'T* HISTORY'S ONLY OR ALWAYS WORSE VICTIMS!

But plenty of you Zionists actually claim that Jews *were*! -- and you Zionists certainly act like that with your complete and clinical victimological narcissism.

SOMETIMES JEWS -- IN CERTAIN PLACES -- DID WORSE THAN OTHERS, AND SOMETIMES THEY DID BETTER (MUCH BETTER, AS IS OBVIOUSLY TRUE TODAY)

-- A LOT BETTER THAN, E.G., NATIVE AMERICANS, OR INDIA'S "UNTOUCHABLES", OR TURKISH KURDS, OR JAPANESE KOREANS, OR AFRICAN AMERICANS, OR (STILL) BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS, OR NATIVE HAWAI'IANS, OR ANY OTHER OPPRESSED OR SEMI-OPPRESSED PEOPLES -- OR PALESTINIANS.


You better take your Zionist chum's (double entendre intended), "another one's", advice and stop writing, Frank -- before you encourage any more of my "lunacy" for all to see.

You know your problem, Frank -- the same problem that all Zionist Jews have: racism cannot exist without hypocrisy, double standards, and other moral/intellectual inconsistencies.

You see, Frank, indybay is the only place you Zionists can appear, because no one will put you on the radio to just say "JA is a mentally diseased moron", or "Don't mind JA", or "He's just another Jew-obsessed ultra-leftist", or "Blankfort's line was Anti-Semitic trash". You'd actually have to *TRY* to construct a credible intellectual argument, which none of you are capable of doing. And when you fall apart, you certainly couldn't come back and pretend to be another person. You Zionists are just a morally and intellectually sorry lot!

You couldn't just say, "But Israel exists, and it's a jewish state": you'd actually have to *try* to morally and intellectuallly *defend* that. Your moronic hyperbole and flimsy, transparent strawman arguments would make you look like *fools*! You could never defend, when put to you, why one oppressed people deserve to displace, take or be given (when European Zionists ran to the Western imperialist, colonialist powers) the land of another (3rd party and indigenous!) people for your "Jewish homeland"!

And you certainly couldn't make such 'brillliant' comebacks as "Fuck off and die, JA" -- or "a Jackass like JA" -- or, especially, "JA is a Nigger Nazi" -- without coming off like the *FOOLS*, *ABOSULUTE RACISTS* and *BLITHERING IDIOTS* that all you Zionists really are! Oh, how I'd *love* for you Zionists to say those things in a radio debate!!: you'd do over half my work *for* me in revealing you for what you all really are!!

But, you Zionists are not dangerous because you have *brains*. Like any *SELF-OBSESSED* racist sociopaths, you're dangerous because someone gave you *guns* -- in Palestine and the JDL -- and you've been turned loose on a largely defenseless people, who can just about only use their own bodies for weapons. That's why Zionists in the media work mightily to keep any opposition off!


Let's just deal with this (yet once *again* on Indybay):

Frank: "the jewish people, who ARE OF DIFFERENT RACES"

That's not what European Jews used to say. That's only been a very recent claim to try to deflect the fact that Zionism is, indeed, racism. Until recently, Jews use to claim that they were, indeed, of one race.

But, since you're saying that Jews are of different races...,

THEN THAT MEANS THAT JEWS ARE *NOT* A UNIQUE PEOPLE!

-- THAT JEWS ARE OF VASTLY DIFFERENT RACES

-- HAVE LIVED IN VASTLY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES

-- AND THAT JEWS MAY SHARE *SOME* RELIGIOUS PRACTICES, BUT CAN BE OF DIFFERENT CULTURES AND EVEN HAVE VAST CULTURAL DIFFERENCES.

(WHICH IS WHY SOME SEPHARDIC/ARAB JEWS SAY THAT THEY HAVE MORE IN COMMON AND, INDEED, SOCIALLY GET ALONG BETTER WITH ARABS THAN WITH EUROPEAN JEWS -- WHO WERE OFTEN RACIST AGAINST NON-EUROPEAN JEWS!)


Frank: "but BOUND TOGETHER AS A PEOPLE,"

That means that you're now "racializing" Jews. In fact, many Zionist Jews claim -- as Hitler did with the "Aryans" -- that Jews all over the world are literally tied by blood!


Frank: "[Jews] needed a homeland of their own."

Well, nationalist liberation struggles take place where someone actually lives as a native people, NOT IN SOMEONE *ELSES* LAND, and not where the former once lived -- for merely a period of time -- 2,000 years ago -- in a land where they weren't even the first inhabitants!

The European Jewish nationalist liberation struggle should have taken place in -- guess where? -- Europe!! -- especially because the few Palestinian Jews that were there were not oppressed and were not calling for "a Jewish state" (the vast majority of non-European Jews did *NOT* live in Palestine -- most of them lived in and had the largest communities by far, in fact very large communities, in Morocco and Iraq)! When Armeian holocaust victims fled, in part, to Palestine, they didn't try to take the place over, dispossess, subjugate and oppress the indigenous population, and by armed force racially and ideologically impose "an Armenian state".

Do you think that the imperialist powers that supported Israel would ever let European Jews go to Britain, France, or the U.S. and let you plunk down "a Jewish state"? -- instead of palming European Jews off on someone else! And the U.S. has a helluva lot more land! -- like in Nevada or Arizona or Utah or Montana or Wyoming, etc.: any of those non-coastal western states -- if the U.S. *really* felt so bad for the Jews. Of how about northern England or southern France -- or how about taking the lovely Black Forest region of Germany for national reparations to the Jews. Why do *non-European* people have to pay for *European* sins!?


As for, Frank: "Responses to JA the antisemite"...

A **ZIONIST** (A JEWISH KLANSMAN) CALLING SOMEONE ELSE A RACIST!

IT IS TO LAUGH!!

OH, THAT'S RRRRRICHHH WITH IRONY!!


(As Malcolm X said, "That stick [or should I say, schtick] don't hurt me.")


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Thanks for the comps, "reader".

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Frank [the Zionist Jew] responds: "Fair enough."

* * * THAT'S MY POINT!!! * * *

YOU'VE *****FINALLY***** GRASPED IT !!!



[IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE AFRAID OF, GASBAG GERHIG?]

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YO, GASBAG GERHIG!
by JA Friday, Jun. 03, 2005 at 1:02 PM


Speaking of the pot calling the kettle black!: ...if it's not GASBAG GERHIG!!


At least it was in *MY* own words -- and it was a debate, not a screed. Or is that what you are *AFRAID* of?

And it wasn't in someone *else's* words, another Zionist's constantly recycled, cut-&-plastered internet article ("Antisemitism Masquerades as Anti-Zionism: Anti-Imperialism of Fools") -- where a URL link could just be provided, as other people did for their referenced internet articles.

As for celebrating Israel, I hear that there will be a lot of ANTI-ZIONIST JEWS 'helping' to 'celebrate' Israel in San Francisco on Sunday afternoon at Yerba Buena Garden on Mission Street, near between 3rd & 4th Streets!! I'll be *there*.

BUT, WHEN YOU ZIONISTS SALUTE ISRAEL, WILL YOU ALL BE DOING IT, STANDING IN ROWS AND COLUMNS, WITH ONE OUTSTRETCHED RIGHT ARM?


GERHIG, shouldn't you be off chasing after, as usual, your secret ironic heartthrob, Wendy? I know you want to have her baby! You can't live without her!

YOU SEE, EVERYONE, ZIONISTS ARE JUST A BUNCH OF **DUM FUCKS** WHO CERTAINLY CAN'T INTELLECTUALLY OR MORALLY SUSTAIN THEIR ARGUMENTS IN THE FACE OF REAL KNOWLEDGE.

IN FACT, *DUM FUCK* ZIONISTS HAVE *NO* MORALS -- AND CERTAINLY *NO* INTELLECTS.

SO, THE INTELLECTUALLY AND MORALLY POOR *DUM FUCK* ZIONISTS HAVE TO RESORT TO:

HACKING INDYMEDIA,

DELETING OTHERS POST (REALLY A SIGN OF HONOR TO THAT PERSON WHO'S POST WAS DELETED BY THEM!!),

HIDING BEHIND DIFFERENT ALIASES (I MEAN THE SAME COWARDLY *DUM FUCK* ZIONIST),

AND IMPERSONATING OTHERS (BUT SOMETIMES ZIONISTS GET THEIR OWN MEDICINE).

THE *DUM FUCK* ZIONISTS CAN'T HELP IT: THEY'RE JUST *THAT* FUCKING *PATHETIC* -- WHEN THEY CAN'T HAVE THEIR OWN WAY AND TAKE OVER AND RUN EVERYTHING THEY WANT TO.

Joseph Anderson said: "I CAN SAY THAT **NO** AMOUNT OF SUFFERING ENTITLES ONE PEOPLE TO DISPLACE, TAKE, OR BE GIVEN THE LAND OF ANOTHER (AND 3RD PARTY AT THAT) PEOPLE."

Frank [the Zionist Jew] responds: "Fair enough."


* * * THAT'S MY POINT!!! * * *

YOU'VE *****FINALLY***** GRASPED IT !!!


[IS *THAT* WHAT YOU WERE AFRAID OF, GASBAG GERHIG?]

shut the fuck up---what you are doing is transparent and childish---twisting an anti-zionist message into an 'anti-Jew' message is pathetic. Shame on you and your cowardly filth.
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Just a reminder: Part 2, this coming Wednesday, June 8th, 94.1fm, 7:00pm.

The full 48 minute debate between radio journalist Jeffrey Blankfort and Prof. Stephen Zunes on the role of the Israel Lobby in shaping American politics, originally broadcast in two parts on KPFA on June 1 and 8, can now be heard or downloaded by going to

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