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Pictures From Insurgence Solidarity March on Saturday
by repost
Saturday Apr 10th, 2004 9:37 PM
pictures from the march
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The interesting thing about this march was the coming together of protestors and shoppers along the route. I had several angry drivers and shoppers call me expletives and throw things like candies at me (strange that these capitalists would part with their products so easily, but they seemed overwhelmed with their anger that anyone would disagree with their imperialist interests). They had no arguments at all, and could only respond 'Yes!' or scream things like 'Go back to Iraq!' when I asked them if they agreed with the murders of women and children in this occupation, or where the wmds were. No wonder they're furious - they seem to have brain damage. I wondered what all the fuss was about.
§Making the message clear
by repost Saturday Apr 10th, 2004 9:37 PM
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§Die-in - fun but pretend
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§More specific solidarity
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§Shoppers were briefly held along the curbs
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§Back to Market
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by LGF is racist I think
Saturday Apr 10th, 2004 10:35 PM
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LittleGreenFootballs or late German Fascists? (the LGF quiz)

I was inspired to build this quiz when I noticed that comments on Littlegreenfootballs.com (a popular warblog) tended to be indistinguishable in tone and content from the writings of Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, and the other architects of the "final solution."

Always indistinguishable? Well, maybe not - but close enough and often enough to be pretty disturbing. Yes, the quotes I've used here are all "cherry-picked" - from LGF and the Nazis both - but since Johnson patrols LGF pretty thoroughly it's fair to say that his site is as defined by what he allows (e.g., calls to "sterilize" the "subhuman" Palestinains) as it is by what he doesn't (e.g., criticisms of Israel or George W).

If you need a reference point to understand what I'm trying to accomplish with this, think of the "Al Gore? Or the Unabomber?" quiz that floated around the WWW a couple of years back.

Interesting questions present themselves. Are genocide (and the language of genocide) always wrong because of *what* they represent?

Or are genocide (and the language of genocide) sometimes wrong and sometimes right, depending on *who* they are deployed against?

In short, is it really necessary to dehumanize "the enemy" in order to win a war? If we recycle the persuasive strategies and rhetorical tropes of the Third Reich in our battle against "global Islamofascism," then how does that change the way we think about other (formerly unthinkable) tactics of total war?

I have assembled the below quiz so that those willing to remember the past [cf. Santayana] might have the opportunity to reflect on these questions. For more on this quiz, please see the LGF Quiz blog.
by War Crimes, In Other Words
Sunday Apr 11th, 2004 1:36 PM
Hundreds upon hundreds you say, Jeff? PNAC's Fascism has, in the past three years, slaughtered tens of thousands of innocent civilians, without compunction or apology, displaced millions, spread disease and starvation, and upset the very order of the planet.

Against that, "terrorism" is a drop in the bucket.

And in order to cite specific events, you must first prove responsibility. 911 was almost certainly engineered by the PNAC Fascists, in order to kick-start their unsupportable and criminal agenda.

If you wish to read the blueprint for all of this, see "Rebuilding America's Defenses" at http://www.newamericancentury.org

What is happening in Iraq is a Popular Uprising. The Iraqis have seen a year of brutality at the hands of the "Coalition" Occupation, and will not take any more. You would do the same if your sovereign nation was Occupied ilegally, and your family and friends were brutalized.
by ...are a national disgrace
Sunday Apr 11th, 2004 3:08 PM
hey, you people who think the current US bombing of civilian populations in whole cities in Iraq is a good thing, those of you justifying it with gory pictures of any source:

you are the ones who are traitors to your country, as well as humanity.

the damage you're doing to the reputation of america as freedom-loving and "of, by and for" the people, a reputation of general (if occasionally misguided) decency built by generations of selfless american sacrifices for the freedoms of others, is being pissed away in the desert-- not even just for oil, but for short-term political currency. and for your cheap thrill of adolescent brutality mixed with self-righteousness. unspeakable shamefulness.

and then you cover for all that by gloating over the deaths of children. shame on you, for the shame you've brought on all of us.

special ps for our christian friends: and on easter no less. have you no shame? have you paid no attention to your Lord? are you really doing unto others? apparently not, based on your myopic self-righteousness when it's done unto you. what were His last words? "Forgive them, Father..." hardly a laser-guided bomb, that.

come to think of it, we haven't heard the president ask "what would Jesus do?" in a long time now. i like to think he's too ashamed to, but that would imply any moral compass at all, other than money and "re"election.

i just hope we can recover from the atrocious PR of this international humanitarian disaster y'all have insisted on making. maybe we can recover, after the leadership of the likes of you is dumped by a wised-up electorate, real soon now. good riddance to bad, sad, shameful rubbish. november's not a moment too soon, i just hope it's not too little too late.

you terminal fools.
by you sad, angry man
Sunday Apr 11th, 2004 3:44 PM
Bushco's credibility is melting away "like a turd in the shower," and his attempts to distract from that fact are about as lovely to watch.

Four more years of undoing your leadership's fuckups. If we can. Your would-be bullying aint gonna change that, it's instead gonna assure you finally get flushed to the political sewers in which you belong.

Buh-bye, you troglodyte loser.
by Public
( schmoe [at] hotmail.com ) Monday Apr 12th, 2004 6:27 PM
"Melts away like a turd in a shower"? ROFL...has it occured to you that your knowledge of that particular phenomenon might be proprietary?
by Well, not really...
Tuesday Apr 13th, 2004 12:37 AM
...I swiped it from an expert. Anyone who knows the source should particularly appreciate the way the reference gives nuance... thanks for sharing your appreciation though!!
by grow up...
Tuesday Apr 13th, 2004 8:41 AM
I heard Kagan from the PNAC debating human rights activist Samantha Power on WNYC radio and guess what? They agreed on just about everything. Go to the wnyc website and check it out.* It's an archived program.

http://www.nyc.org

The PNAC are far from fascist. They are "democratic realists" who believe American military and economic power should be used to promote democracy, not dictators. They are much different from the straight-up realists like who only would use American power if it served our interests. This is not to say they are "good guys" but they are certainly not fascistic.

*It was either the Brian Lehrer Show or Leonard Lopate, I can't remember which one...
by grow up...
Tuesday Apr 13th, 2004 8:42 AM
"They are much different from the straight-up realists like who only would use American power if it served our interests. This is not to say they are "good guys" but they are certainly not fascistic."

Should read:

They are much different from the straight-up realists like Kissenger who only would use American power if it served our interests. This is not to say they are "good guys" but they are certainly not fascistic.

by duh
Tuesday Apr 27th, 2004 9:06 PM
"They are "democratic realists" who believe American military and economic power should be used to promote democracy, not dictators."

That's right, because they're the ones who install 99% of those dictators, and we wouldn't want to remind anyone of THAT now would we . . .

And you know, that thing we're calling "democracy" these days? That's actually just a catch-word for the new phrase "shoot them before they shoot you, even if they're wearing size 2 shorts and tiny red sneakers," because they just didn't understand about the 'terrorists' and the 'bad guys' like we did, you know, we "democratic realists" who need to cover our own installations of dictators.

Stupid women and children always making ramming "Democracy" down their throats more troublesome than it has to be.
by john
Friday Oct 6th, 2006 12:09 AM
Betraying your own people in harms way is about the lowest low. You people make me sick, sitting on your asses saying that you support your own neighbors, young men and women dieing at the hands of foriegn enemy.

Do you really think the "resistance" as you call it fighting for freedom? Or maybe their fighting for a marxist liberation, that why they shout "Allah Ackbar."