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Masada Complex

by Rebecca
Masada shall not fall again
IN CHESS, THE BEST PLAYERS ARE ABLE to think ahead, recognizing the consequences that their next move could have 10, 20 or 30 moves later. Both sides in the Arab-Israeli conflict urgently need to consult with the geopolitical equivalent of such chess grandmasters.

The apparent goal of Palestinian extremists, for example, is to push Israel into the sea and take back 100 percent of its land. We can infer this because Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered Yasser Arafat 95 percent of everything the Palestinian leader demanded, but an uncompromising Arafat rejected this and re-ignited Intifada violence against the Jewish state.

What are the chances of Palestinians and the Arab nations winning by such violent tactics and all-or-nothing strategy? Zero, a chess master ought to tell them, and here is why.

If pushed to the sea’s edge, millions of Israelis would indeed flee to nations such as the United States wise enough to welcome those with their talents and intelligence.

But millions of Israelis would remain, and in a last-ditch stand they would fight to the death. This happened almost 2,000 years ago atop Masada, the Dead Sea mountaintop fortress where Jews took their own lives (technically not by suicide, but killed by a few who by lot had been picked to carry this sin) rather than surrender to Roman soldiers.

Today Israeli paratroopers and other soldiers go to this fortress and take an oath: "Masada shall not fall again." Psychologists describe the determination never to surrender of many Israelis as the "Masada Complex."

These remaining Jews, if pushed to the brink of annihilation, could and perhaps would take steps that would make today’s Palestinian "suicide bombers" look trivial by comparison.

If Israel loses, neither the Palestinians nor any unfriendly nation within 2,000 miles would "win." Israel could take them all down with it. Israel could turn the entire Middle East into a smoking, radioactive hole in the ground. Israel could blast fertility out of the Fertile Crescent and leave the barren region clicking hot for hundreds of years. This might not be Biblical Armageddon, but it would be a reasonable facsimile.

At its Dimona 150-Megawatt heavy-water nuclear reactor, Israel for more than three decades has been creating and reprocessing Plutonium. Israel on July 13, 1998, acknowledged that it has "built a nuclear option not in order to have a Hiroshima but an Oslo [Peace Accord]."

Most defense analysts estimate the number of Israeli nuclear weapons at up to 200, and one calculates that the Jewish State might possess up to 400 such weapons. Israel might also have manufactured a small number of H-bombs, thermonuclear explosives.

Israel has many delivery systems for these nuclear weapons. To mention only a few: 50 or so home-made Jericho-2 missiles reportedly can deliver a 2,200 pound payload to targets at least 900 miles away. Israel has been developing a Jericho-3 missile using space rocket Shavit technologies that can strike 2,900 miles away with the same 2,200 pound nuclear payload.

Israel already, according to MSNBC, possesses "25 nuclear capable F-15Es [and] about 80 older F-4 Phantoms." To understand what this means, an F-15E or Israel’s variant F-15I has a ferry range of up to 3,450 miles without refueling and can carry a payload weighing 23,000 pounds. The aging F-4E (not to mention Israel’s F-4/2000s) has a ferry range of about 1,550 miles and can carry a 16,000-pound payload.

Combat capability calculations are not based on the ferry range of aircraft, which replaces some weapon payload with extra fuel tanks. We instead assume that pilots fly out to a target and need fuel to return. But Israeli Kamikazis flying a one-way doomsday mission can expend all their fuel to reach a target. They could reach targets 80-90 percent of ferry range away with a compact nuclear weapon. Israel also can use FAST packs and other techniques to boost potential range, speed or payload.

In such a doomsday scenario, in fact, almost any of Israel’s hundreds and hundreds of aircraft could be used to deliver nuclear weapons if pilots were willing to become martyrs for their Jewish faith or nation.

Americans come from a big country. Those who have never visited the Middle East usually fail to understand its smaller scale. To envision the above doomsday scenario, consider some distances.

From the hills of Jerusalem at night, you see the skyglow from nearby Amman, Jordan.

To the north, Damascus in Syria and Beirut in Lebanon are both only about 150 miles away and could be struck by near-supersonic Israeli jets less than 10 minutes after they cross northern Israel’s border.

The Suez Canal is only about 200 miles from Jerusalem and far less distance from Israeli airfields. Cairo is about 250 miles from Jerusalem. But the real doomsday target in Egypt is the Aswan High Dam only 550 miles from King David’s city. If blown open with nuclear weapons, it would release the immense reservoir of Lake Nasser and unleash a flood of biblical proportions that would destroy almost everything and everyone in Cairo and all along Egypt’s Nile Valley.

Tripoli on the far side of madman Col. Muammar al-Qadhafi’s Libya is 1,300 miles from Jerusalem. But the Israeli Air Force has already demonstrated its ability, as Aharon Lapidot puts it, to "strike silent, strike far" by rescuing hostages in Entebbe, Uganda, and by hitting PLO headquarters in Tunisia, just over 1,500 miles west of Jerusalem on the North African coastline beyond the shores of Tripoli.

Baghdad, where Saddam Hussein rules Iraq deluded by his belief that he is the Nebuchadnezzar of a new Babylonian Empire, is less than 600 miles from Jerusalem. In 1981 Israeli aircraft preemptively destroyed the Osirak reactor being built near Baghdad, thereby keeping nuclear weapons out of this madman’s hands. Israelis could easily strike Baghdad again, this time with nuclear weapons of their own.

Even distant Tehran and the Ayatollahs of Iran sit less than 1,000 miles from Jerusalem, scarcely more than the distance from Los Angeles to Denver. Jericho-2 missiles could be goosed to get there within minutes, and at full throttle Israeli jets could have mushroom clouds sprouting above Tehran in little more than an hour….or maybe less.

Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia, is about 850 miles from Jerusalem and could be destroyed before its princes got into their holes, if Israel so desired. All Persian Gulf oilfields could also be sent to heaven in glowing smoke and radioactive flame, thereby turning whatever Arabs survived back into the Bedouin goatherds they had been before oil was discovered or needed by a modern world.

But the ultimate doomsday target, of course, would be Mecca – the mystical center of Islam towards which devout Muslims bow in prayer five times each day. Come doomsday, as a last gesture Israel could vaporize the Black Stone, the Kaaba, the burial place of the Prophet Mohammed and all of Mecca. Thereafter Muslims could bow daily towards a place resembling Arizona’s Meteor Crater.

The moral of this story: ultimately the Palestinians can never win everything they want. They need to compromise and make peace. Even if they could destroy Israel, to do so would destroy them, too, as well as the surrounding Islamic nations that support them.

But Israel also needs to recognize that, sooner or later, Muslim nations will acquire their own weapons of mass destruction. Unless a way to peace can be found, one morning 20 or 30 years from now Israelis will awaken to 50,000 nuclear cruise missiles saturating their defenses and eradicating the Jewish State. What looked like stalemate will within minutes of retaliation then turn into mutual checkmate, mutual assured destruction. As the saying goes: an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
by The Collective
Rebecca, please don't post this type of information. This pupose of this site is to allow posts that support our agenda. This post will be hidden.
by eyal

This post is obviously from an anti-semite who would like us to see the Jews of Israel literally as a race of nuclear suicide bombers willing to destroy all Arab countries if they can't continue to occupy the land they STOLE in 1948. Brooklyn outta Palestine!
by DD
Use of blood-sucking metaphors, and spurious claims that Israel is from Brooklyn, I would say qualifies as anti-Semitism.


And if you believe that the Jews "STOLE" the land in 1948, I believe you may want to take that up with the UN, who for all their anti-Israel sentiment very unequivocally ratified the LEGAL foundation of Israel based on a partition that the Palestinians, misled by the pro-Nazi Haj Amin foolishly rejected, which would have given the Palestinians their own state. If anyone was being imperialist, it was the Palestinians, believing that they could demand the whole of the mandate, rather than compromise and build a future for their people. The rejection of a token Jewish state in the midst of a sea of Moslem nations enforcing strictly Islamic law and repressing all other minorities reflects intollerance.

Jews are entitled to a state and a place of safety after all that they've been put through from the Crusades to the Inquisition, the pogroms in Russia, Romania and Poland and the Holocaust. The UN saw the wisdom and morality of that and that is why Israel exists today.
by DD
Use of blood-sucking metaphors, and spurious claims that Israel is from Brooklyn, I would say qualifies as anti-Semitism.


And if you believe that the Jews "STOLE" the land in 1948, I believe you may want to take that up with the UN, who for all their anti-Israel sentiment very unequivocally ratified the LEGAL foundation of Israel based on a partition that the Palestinians, misled by the pro-Nazi Haj Amin foolishly rejected, which would have given the Palestinians their own state. If anyone was being imperialist, it was the Palestinians, believing that they could demand the whole of the mandate, rather than compromise and build a future for their people. The rejection of a token Jewish state in the midst of a sea of Moslem nations enforcing strictly Islamic law and repressing all other minorities reflects intollerance.

Jews are entitled to a state and a place of safety after all that they've been put through from the Crusades to the Inquisition, the pogroms in Russia, Romania and Poland and the Holocaust. The UN saw the wisdom and morality of that and that is why Israel exists today.
by Hugo Chavez
By the way, FUCK the UN.
Israelis -- Cowboys
Palestinians -- Indians

Face it -- Israel is an experiment in messianic colonialism run amok. For some idiotic reason, the US and Britain decided to atone for their complicity in the Holocaust by putting the Jews of Europe into a soup that Rebbeca wants us to know is teetering on the edge of nuclear holocaust. Many lessons that the Holocaust was supposed to teach us are lessons we are now told to ignore, while a people are demonized and threatened with extermination.

The Israelis deserve every blast in every pizza parlor they've got for forgetting what it's like to be under the boot. I don't know that it's necessarily getting the Palestinians anywhere, but they're just refusing to be subjugated, like all good patriots. Israel should exist -- in Montana. This solipsistic biblical dance of doom is leading nowhere

This is the kind of talk that easily gets labeled as anti-semitic these days, and that's just too bad. Oppression and murder suck, no matter who is pulling it off and for what reasons, guys. Israel is a sick dog, and someone needs to shoot it. There is an active movement to turn American taxpayers against Israel! Let's join up! There is no democracy without respect for the majority.
by DD
What you said is anti-Semitic -- and if you are called on it then good for those who call you on it. Shame, shame shame. Are Jewish lives worthless? Are Jews not allowed to express their opinions or live in safety?

That sounds like what you are saying. Israel is NOT imperialist and you can bay at the moon to the UN, it will still not change the fact that the UN granted Israel its freedom, while offering the Palestinians a partition, which they incidentally rejected. What is wrong with a land the size of New Jersey as a safe haven for a historically oppressed people? Absolutely nothing.

It is also true that many of the Islamic states are the ones that are actually racist -- many not even permitting people of other religions to live there or treating them as third-class non-citizens. The idea that the Palestinians want a multi-ethnic state with the Jews is laughable given the PA's slander of all Jews in its "educational" literature and mass media programming.

Israel has Arab voters & Arab legislators and allows anti-occupation protesters to voice their views quite demonstrably. Quite different from Iran where Jews get slammed in jail for "spying for Israel" because they talk to the press about the oppression they face or Saudi Arabia, where none of the "infidel" Jews are even allowed to enter the country and where religious police would rather that women burn to death than that they escape appearing "indecently" because of the fire.

Needing Israel
By Daniel Gordis
April 13, 2002
JERUSALEM - Tuesday was Yom Hashoah, Holocaust Remembrance Day, an agonizing day. In the afternoon, at work, we gathered in a circle while some colleagues quietly read the names of relatives who had been exterminated by the Nazis. Some had long lists; one even brought pictures. During the ceremony, word spread that a group of Israeli Defense Force soldiers — 13, it would turn out — had been killed in an ambush in Jenin. Another, in Nablus, fell to friendly fire.
It is hard to describe what 14 soldiers means in this small country. People make frantic calls to find out where their husbands and fathers are. Then the hourly news announces to the entire country the location and time of each funeral. At such moments it feels that living here makes one part of an extended family.
No one in that family wants this war. But very few people here think we can do without it. Israelis understand why we're fighting. We also know why our soldiers are dying. There are significant pockets of armed resistance in the Jenin camp, but there are also lots of civilians. So we can't just bomb from the skies. We send soldiers house to house, only to watch as Hamas fighters use those same civilians as shields. On Tuesday we paid a heavy price.
We had 14 funerals because we won't fight this war the way the Russians fought in Grozny or the way the United States fought in Afghanistan — from the safety of the skies. Hardly a building in Grozny was spared in the bombing; the Russians knew the price they'd pay if they tried to fight on the street. If Israel hit a hospital from the skies the way that the Americans did not too long ago in Afghanistan, just imagine the world's reaction.
Palestinians say we won't let their ambulances in Jenin. Yet two weeks ago Israeli soldiers stopped a Palestinian ambulance with a child in the back on a stretcher, and under him soldiers found an explosive belt. Palestinians say that we're not letting them clear their dead from the streets. The Israeli Army claims that's a lie, that the Palestinians are leaving the bodies there intentionally for good footage on CNN. Who's telling the truth? I don't know.
Last week, when the siege around the Church of the Nativity began, many Israelis understood why we couldn't just shoot our way in, but the frustration was palpable. If it had been Israelis in a church, or a synagogue, and Palestinians on the outside, how long would the siege have lasted? Everyone here knows the answer. When the Palestinians burned down the synagogue at Joseph's tomb in October 2000, the Vatican didn't speak up. When they later destroyed an ancient synagogue near Jericho, European liberals didn't lose sleep.
The siege outside the church began in foul weather. According to reports on Israeli radio, some soldiers stood for hours in the driving rain, making sure that none of the armed Palestinians inside would escape. All that afternoon, the residents of Bethlehem pointed at the rain and shouted: "Get out of here. We hate you. The world hates you. And look, even the heavens hate you."
Maybe the world does hate us for having the audacity to protect ourselves, for meaning it when we say "never again." Maybe the world is secretly delighted that no war can be made to look civilized, so the Europeans and the Palestinians can point their fingers at us and say, "See, they do it, too." Then maybe what they did won't seem so horrific, so unforgivable.
One thing important to Jews is remembering. We won't forget the 20th century and the world's complicity, and when we recall this week, in which we buried 14 of our sons, brothers, husbands and fathers who didn't have to die except for our decision to do this fighting the hard way, we'll remember the world's double standard.
On Tuesday night, my 12-year-old son, Avi, told me about a Yom Hashoah class discussion about whether the Holocaust could happen again — a session he said he found "stupid." Why? I asked. "Because we have a strong army," he answered, "America is our friend, and look out there now — we take care of ourselves."
The next morning I watched him head off on his bike to school, with pride, security and confidence. That's a lot more than Jewish kids in Europe had a few decades ago. It's a lot more than some Jewish kids have in Europe this week. It's why we need this country. And it's why we'll fight to keep it.
by puerco
Look, no one here needs your freshman theory "Israel makes sense" bullshit. I am familiar with Manifest Destiny, and the dubious authority of the UN as well. I'm saying the US should have given the Jews New Jersey, so they could live in peace. New Jersians could have been repatriated elsewhere in American society without Allah-based rage driving them Crazy Horse style up against a superior war machine. Robbing the Palestinians has put Israel on the road to hell, and made them into the people who they had to be saved from in WWII.

No amount of paper and documents will make Israel right in the eyes of its neigbors. And I have no beef with Israelis, many of whom I have met in my travels and who just like to party. What I am saying is that colonialism was bound to hit the kind of challenge the Palestinians represent, and they inspire a certain kind of pride in people who might do the same for their homelands in similar circumstances. Viva Los Martyrs!

I think we should give Montana to the Israelis, and maybe part of Florida (since it gets cold up there in the winter). Let's airlift Jerusalem.

by the way, as far as the anti-semitism accusations go, they don't scare me or bother me. being an opressed minority myself -- of a people who were holocausted by the cavalry, not rescued by it -- i don't give a fuck how you brand my opinions. ariel sharon is a war criminal, elected by a populace of war criminals, destined to burn in a hell that is being made of their own self-fulfilling prophecies.

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